Moss vs. Revis (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

Moss was a Darrelle Revis victim in Week 2. Since then, Moss' production has soared and he is definitely clicking with Brady on big plays all over the field. Revis continues to be the premiere cover CB in the game in my opinion. The Jets, shockingly in my opinion, did not match Revis up on Mike Sims-Walker in the first half yesterday and Sims-Walker made them pay with a touchdown. In the second half, Revis matched up on Sims-Walker and held him to only one reception.

Revis enters the game playing at an incredible level. Moss is also playing incredibly well and the Patriots are likely to be a bit ticked off after having blown a big game to the Colts on national TV. You obviously do not bench Randy Moss unless you have absurd talent at WR so I'm not suggesting anyone should do that. But we have seen week in and week out that Revis not to be messed with. He has been that good.

So the question becomes - will Revis shut down Moss again or will Moss continue to deliver huge production and break through the Revis grip? Or will it be more of a good game for Moss, but not a great one?

What sayeth all of you?

 

[AcerFC]

I think Moss and Brady are the only ones that can shut Moss down. The dude is insane AND it is depressing that he didnt have a positive attitude his whole career (took plays off) because he could have been the best

I am playing him against Revis

 

[CentralPA]

I don't care if Jesus Christ is covering Moss, i'm playing him.

 

[tigerz]

I don't care if Jesus Christ is covering Moss, i'm playing him.

As much as I love JC, I don't think he'd intimidate anyone as a football player.I'm considering sitting him for DJax against Chicago. Moss has huge game potential and I agree that he is a must start but I think you have to taper your expectations and not expect him to post the same totals he had as last night against the rookie CBs. I think 100 yards 1 td isn't out of the question but I really don't expect him to get 150+ yards and/or 2+ TD. Though, if memory serves me correctly, Welker was not in the lineup last time these teams met. I'm not sure what that changes for this matchup but I would think Revis would stick to Moss and Welker would get majority of the catches this game so there's no need for Brady to force it to him.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I got a feeling the Pats pound the Jets badly this week

Start Randy with confidece

 

[Buffaloes]

I got a feeling the Pats pound the Jets badly this weekStart Randy with confidece

same here

 

[sirfumblesalot]

At the beginning of the season Brady hadn't hit his stride yet. He seems to be in a zone now so I expect Moss to put up good numbers. 150 yds and 2 TDs? No. But I would not at all be surprised to see over 100 and 1 TD (I think Moss gets open for at least one 40+ yd reception. Moss is still one of if not the premiere WR in all of football. I'll play him regardless of who is covering.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Moss was a Darrelle Revis victim in Week 2. Since then, Moss' production has soared and he is definitely clicking with Brady on big plays all over the field. Revis continues to be the premiere cover CB in the game in my opinion. The Jets, shockingly in my opinion, did not match Revis up on Mike Sims-Walker in the first half yesterday and Sims-Walker made them pay with a touchdown. In the second half, Revis matched up on Sims-Walker and held him to only one reception.Revis enters the game playing at an incredible level. Moss is also playing incredibly well and the Patriots are likely to be a bit ticked off after having blown a big game to the Colts on national TV. You obviously do not bench Randy Moss unless you have absurd talent at WR so I'm not suggesting anyone should do that. But we have seen week in and week out that Revis not to be messed with. He has been that good. So the question becomes - will Revis shut down Moss again or will Moss continue to deliver huge production and break through the Revis grip? Or will it be more of a good game for Moss, but not a great one?What sayeth all of you?

That game might as well have been 100 years ago based on the difference between the Jets defense then and the Jets defense now.

 

[gianmarco]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise....

/thread

 

[packersfan]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise..../thread

The thread isn't about whether you should bench Moss.

 

[gianmarco]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise..../thread

The thread isn't about whether you should bench Moss.

So what is it about? Just to discuss whether or not Moss gets shut down? Sure, it's possible. But I'd say that Moss's day will depend on other things and not just Revis. Brady having time, additional coverage on Moss, and just Moss himself. He's the most uncoverable WR in the league. In the end, not sure what there is really to discuss. I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that Revis is one of the elite DB's in the league. Same for Moss as he's one of the elite WR's in the league. It will be a good matchup. Moss probably has the overall advantage but this could go either way. Will just have to watch the game.

 

[packersfan]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise..../thread

The thread isn't about whether you should bench Moss.

So what is it about?

I thought it was pretty clear. I'm curious to see if people think Revis will win another matchup or if Moss will win this one. Given how good both have been, I think it's arguably the most interesting matchup of the week.

 

[jurb26]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise..../thread

The thread isn't about whether you should bench Moss.

So what is it about? Just to discuss whether or not Moss gets shut down? Sure, it's possible. But I'd say that Moss's day will depend on other things and not just Revis. Brady having time, additional coverage on Moss, and just Moss himself. He's the most uncoverable WR in the league. In the end, not sure what there is really to discuss. I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that Revis is one of the elite DB's in the league. Same for Moss as he's one of the elite WR's in the league. It will be a good matchup. Moss probably has the overall advantage but this could go either way. Will just have to watch the game.

I kind of agree. I mean seriously, is anyone going to bench Moss? I know I'm not. Not even considering it to be honest. If NE can get Brady time, Moss is uncoverable. He is uncoverable because even when he is "covered" he will make the play 8/10 times. Look at the plays he made last night. Moss get's shut down when 1 of 2 things happen: 1. NE can't protect Brady enough for them to be able to hit the big play. 2. Teams double him so much that Brady just becomes content to kill them with Welker and the TE's.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I wouldn't sit Moss for much right now -- PLus like this guy said-

That game might as well have been 100 years ago based on the difference between the Jets defense then and the Jets defense now.

The Jets D is not the same as it was way back when. It may step up, the Jets might win, but I wouldn't expect the same outcome. I can't wait to watch this position battle - it could be a hoot to watch.

 

[packersfan]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise..../thread

The thread isn't about whether you should bench Moss.

So what is it about? Just to discuss whether or not Moss gets shut down? Sure, it's possible. But I'd say that Moss's day will depend on other things and not just Revis. Brady having time, additional coverage on Moss, and just Moss himself. He's the most uncoverable WR in the league. In the end, not sure what there is really to discuss. I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that Revis is one of the elite DB's in the league. Same for Moss as he's one of the elite WR's in the league. It will be a good matchup. Moss probably has the overall advantage but this could go either way. Will just have to watch the game.

I kind of agree. I mean seriously, is anyone going to bench Moss?

I said in the first post that nobody should bench Moss. Again, that isn't what this thread is about. But the fact remains you have a stud CB going against a stud WR and so far this season the stud CB has won every battle he's faced, including one with Moss. Now personally, I think Moss wins this one but I don't think people should dismiss the Revis factor when deciding how they're going to project Moss for this week. I know I'm not expecting him to go off the way he has been lately.

 

[Buffaloes]

I said in the first post that nobody should bench Moss. Again, that isn't what this thread is about. But the fact remains you have a stud CB going against a stud WR and so far this season the stud CB has won every battle he's faced, including one with Moss. Now personally, I think Moss wins this one but I don't think people should dismiss the Revis factor when deciding how they're going to project Moss for this week. I know I'm not expecting him to go off the way he has been lately.

Statistically, what determines a W or an L for the WR or CB? Say Moss goes 5-70, who is the supposed 'winner?' Statistically, where is the line drawn to determine who wins and loses the matchup? This is a serious question, by the way.

 

[packersfan]

I said in the first post that nobody should bench Moss. Again, that isn't what this thread is about. But the fact remains you have a stud CB going against a stud WR and so far this season the stud CB has won every battle he's faced, including one with Moss. Now personally, I think Moss wins this one but I don't think people should dismiss the Revis factor when deciding how they're going to project Moss for this week. I know I'm not expecting him to go off the way he has been lately.

Statistically, what determines a W or an L for the WR or CB? Say Moss goes 5-70, who is the supposed 'winner?' Statistically, where is the line drawn to determine who wins and loses the matchup? This is a serious question, by the way.

Prior to yesterday, Revis was allowing 3-28-0 per game. Moss is averaging 6-99-1. If Moss went for 5-70-0, I'd say Revis won a split decision. I think if Revis keeps Moss out of the end zone and keeps him under 100 yards receiving he's won at least half of the battle.

 

[NYRAGE]

I'm a Jets fan that has Moss and Brady (I know, there is a circle in Dante's hell for this). I'm not expecting Moss to have a good game, but if Leonhard is out (and Smith is in), I could see some confusion in the secondary especially with Rhodes back there thinking about his life after football hollywood career.

Revis is without a doubt a shutdown corner, but every once in a while, shutdown corners need help over the top from the safety. Ginn ran by Revis a few weeks ago and Rhodes never came over to cover Ginn. I could see Moss getting open deep. Otherwise, I expect about 60 yards and maybe a td.

However, I expect Welker to do lots of damage this game. Edelman was open all game long last time. While he had a nice game, he is no Welker. One of Watson/Baker should score, too since the Jets have trouble covering the middle of the field.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I hear that Moss is talking to Ted Ginn about how to beat Revis

 

[stbugs]

At the beginning of the season Brady hadn't hit his stride yet. He seems to be in a zone now so I expect Moss to put up good numbers. 150 yds and 2 TDs? No. But I would not at all be surprised to see over 100 and 1 TD (I think Moss gets open for at least one 40+ yd reception. Moss is still one of if not the premiere WR in all of football. I'll play him regardless of who is covering.

Not sure if people were watching all of the early Pats games, but I did watch a few as a Moss owner. I can't recall which early game it was, but Moss was wide open for an easy TD (shockingly 10 yards from the nearest defender) and Brady rifled it 10 yards over his head. Contrast that to the throw to Moss last night (where Moss made a sensational catch with the defenders arms right next to the ball) and I would say Brady is a lot different now. Throw in no Welker and I would bet Moss does a lot better.

 

[Rovers]

I hear that Moss is talking to Ted Ginn about how to beat Revis

Like someone said, that TD was on Rhodes, not Ginn beating Revis. Rhodes had the deep coverage and completley blew his assignment. I don't own Moss, but no way I bench him if I did. The Jets defense is on it's heels right now. Rhodes is not playing very well either in run support of pass coverage in the deep middle. Revis will release Moss to Rhodes... and Moss will toast him. If Leonard is out, all the more reason to start Welker and Moss. As good as Revis is, he can bite on a double move too, especially if he thinks he has to gamble for a defensive TD, something the Jets have failed to accomplish this year.

 

[Otis]

The Jets have looked awfully pedestrian. The Pats are going to rip them a new one. 100+ and 1 for Moss.

 

[footballnerd]

Brady has shaken off all the rust from sitting out a season. Moss will destroy Revis.

 

[Rovers]

Brady has shaken off all the rust from sitting out a season. Moss will destroy Revis.

Destroy? Really? LOL.... :X Love these kind of insighful posts! :X

 

[packersfan]

Moss issues his challenge to Revis. For what it's worth, I think the Revis Grip ends this week and Moss is the first WR to have a good game against the stud CB.

”I don’t feed into talking and all that crazy stuff. I’m a 12-year vet. So that stuff don’t bother me,” Moss said, speaking to the Boston Herald at his locker. ”My biggest thing is, when you talk like that, you better back it up. So, we’ll see. We’ll see what goes down.”

Link

 

[Oscar]

I don't own Randy Moss in any one of my leagues, but I could not imagine sitting Randy Moss for anybody, regardless of the matchup.

 

[packersfan]

I don't own Randy Moss in any one of my leagues, but I could not imagine sitting Randy Moss for anybody, regardless of the matchup.

I agree. He never sits for me. He's locked into my starting lineup every week barring the bye or injury.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Brady will throw to the open reciever.. Moss may be good, but if he's being covered well, and Brady has an open option other than Moss, the ball goes elsewhere.. The object is to win the game, not prove Randy can't be covered, right?

 

[gianmarco]

 

[Deepster]

I'm a Jets fan that has Moss and Brady (I know, there is a circle in Dante's hell for this). I'm not expecting Moss to have a good game, but if Leonhard is out (and Smith is in), I could see some confusion in the secondary especially with Rhodes back there thinking about his life after football hollywood career. Revis is without a doubt a shutdown corner, but every once in a while, shutdown corners need help over the top from the safety. Ginn ran by Revis a few weeks ago and Rhodes never came over to cover Ginn. I could see Moss getting open deep. Otherwise, I expect about 60 yards and maybe a td. However, I expect Welker to do lots of damage this game. Edelman was open all game long last time. While he had a nice game, he is no Welker. One of Watson/Baker should score, too since the Jets have trouble covering the middle of the field.

Spot on here. Nicely done.Otis? Not so much.

 

[MCguidance]

I'm a Jets fan that has Moss and Brady (I know, there is a circle in Dante's hell for this). I'm not expecting Moss to have a good game, but if Leonhard is out (and Smith is in), I could see some confusion in the secondary especially with Rhodes back there thinking about his life after football hollywood career. Revis is without a doubt a shutdown corner, but every once in a while, shutdown corners need help over the top from the safety. Ginn ran by Revis a few weeks ago and Rhodes never came over to cover Ginn. I could see Moss getting open deep. Otherwise, I expect about 60 yards and maybe a td. However, I expect Welker to do lots of damage this game. Edelman was open all game long last time. While he had a nice game, he is no Welker. One of Watson/Baker should score, too since the Jets have trouble covering the middle of the field.

Spot on here. Nicely done.Otis? Not so much.

Absolutely. Revis is legit. Need another Revis to cover Welker. The TD saved Moss' day, and I also started him.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm a Jets fan that has Moss and Brady (I know, there is a circle in Dante's hell for this). I'm not expecting Moss to have a good game, but if Leonhard is out (and Smith is in), I could see some confusion in the secondary especially with Rhodes back there thinking about his life after football hollywood career. Revis is without a doubt a shutdown corner, but every once in a while, shutdown corners need help over the top from the safety. Ginn ran by Revis a few weeks ago and Rhodes never came over to cover Ginn. I could see Moss getting open deep. Otherwise, I expect about 60 yards and maybe a td. However, I expect Welker to do lots of damage this game. Edelman was open all game long last time. While he had a nice game, he is no Welker. One of Watson/Baker should score, too since the Jets have trouble covering the middle of the field.

Spot on here. Nicely done.Otis? Not so much.

Absolutely. Revis is legit. Need another Revis to cover Welker. The TD saved Moss' day, and I also started him.

Agreed, Welker had a monster game.. 15 rec.. NICE JOB!!

 

[kdt]

so how many times was revis actually on moss?

 

[joffer]

Revis is really, really good

 

[MCguidance]

so how many times was revis actually on moss?

Don't know the exact amount, but a lot. He was step for step basically all day.

 

[NYRAGE]

You had to love the last Pats drive of the game. With about a minute left in the game and running out the clock, they tried to catch Revis by surprise by throwing a deep pass. Fail. Revis had Moss covered step for step, like all game long. Revis wins this battle again....too bad it was the only battle (other than the blocked punt) that the Jets won today. The long season gets longer.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise....

/thread

and not only that made a difference in the outcome. He loses with Moss. Posted in the Barry Hating Threadhttp://i49.tinypic.com/wgxe7b.jpg

 

[packersfan]

The lesson I've learned watching Revis this season is if you have a stud WR, you start him (obviously) but you lower your expectations considerably. A non-stud WR against Revis should hit the bench. It's way too risky.

 

[Gatorman]

The TD to moss was interesting b/c revis was looking at moss' hips and not at Brady. If he looks up, that could have been a pick 6, but I understand the technique there.

One of the reasons I think the dolphins did well against NY this year is we neutralized the revis effect. If you have crappy WRs, revis is powerless.

 

[switz]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise..../thread

The thread isn't about whether you should bench Moss.

So what is it about? Just to discuss whether or not Moss gets shut down? Sure, it's possible. But I'd say that Moss's day will depend on other things and not just Revis. Brady having time, additional coverage on Moss, and just Moss himself. He's the most uncoverable WR in the league. In the end, not sure what there is really to discuss. I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that Revis is one of the elite DB's in the league. Same for Moss as he's one of the elite WR's in the league. It will be a good matchup. Moss probably has the overall advantage but this could go either way. Will just have to watch the game.

gianmarco, why do you always have to be argumentative?Anyway, Moss didn't have one of his best games yesterday, but still had decent FF output due to the TD, and really is startable no matter who is covering him because of his height making him a redzone threat. Revis did a great job and covered him well.I think it's fair to say that Moss has met his match in Revis, and it will be fun to see them line up across from one another for years.

 

[TLEF316]

Revis is just a killer. Too bad Rhodes decided to suck. The Jets would have a pretty good secondary.

at this point, i seriously consider trading Rhodes for whatever they can get and trading up for Berry. (a trade up may not evn be necessary if they keep on losing)

 

[gianmarco]

gianmarco, why do you always have to be argumentative?

 

[gianmarco]

I'd welcome anyone to post a screenshot of a decision to keep Randy Moss on your bench. Otherwise....

/thread

and not only that made a difference in the outcome. He loses with Moss. Posted in the Barry Hating Threadhttp://i49.tinypic.com/wgxe7b.jpg

Well done by that person (I think). Either way, I admire the stones to stick by that decision and bench him and glad it worked out for them. Can't say I could have done the same.

 

[MCguidance]

Revis is just a killer. Too bad Rhodes decided to suck. The Jets would have a pretty good secondary.at this point, i seriously consider trading Rhodes for whatever they can get and trading up for Berry. (a trade up may not evn be necessary if they keep on losing)

Rhodes was on the verge of being an all-pro a couple years back. I even thought he deserved the pro-bowl/all-pro over Polamalu one year. He has regressed, becoming tentative and a liability in the passing game. That shoulder hit rather than wrapping up against Welker was pathetic.

 

[TLEF316]

Revis is just a killer. Too bad Rhodes decided to suck. The Jets would have a pretty good secondary.at this point, i seriously consider trading Rhodes for whatever they can get and trading up for Berry. (a trade up may not evn be necessary if they keep on losing)

Rhodes was on the verge of being an all-pro a couple years back. I even thought he deserved the pro-bowl/all-pro over Polamalu one year. He has regressed, becoming tentative and a liability in the passing game. That shoulder hit rather than wrapping up against Welker was pathetic.

Then Welker literally ran him over a few plays later.At this point, he's more concerned about his twitter page. i have two jets jerseys. Vilma (bought a year before he was traded) and Rhodes. OOFMay have to invest in a Revis jersey.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Revis is really good. Easily one of the top at his position in the league. His make up speed is nasty.

How do the Jets play Moss man up for most of the game and allow Welker to catch 15 passes is just down right pathetic though.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Revis is just a killer. Too bad Rhodes decided to suck. The Jets would have a pretty good secondary.at this point, i seriously consider trading Rhodes for whatever they can get and trading up for Berry. (a trade up may not evn be necessary if they keep on losing)

I'd rather the Jets go after Suh or McCoy, but unfortunately, neither will likely be available even with a trade up. I think all of them, and Berry, go in the top seven. Going to be a very defensive-heavy draft, as I think Mays probably goes there, too.

 

[packersfan]

Revis is really good. Easily one of the top at his position in the league. His make up speed is nasty.How do the Jets play Moss man up for most of the game and allow Welker to catch 15 passes is just down right pathetic though.

The problem is if they put Revis on Welker, then Moss destroys them. I think they could have tried something different to slow down Welker but they only have one quality CB and that's Revis. If he's locked up on Moss, then Welker's going to have a field day.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Revis is really good. Easily one of the top at his position in the league. His make up speed is nasty.How do the Jets play Moss man up for most of the game and allow Welker to catch 15 passes is just down right pathetic though.

The problem is if they put Revis on Welker, then Moss destroys them. I think they could have tried something different to slow down Welker but they only have one quality CB and that's Revis. If he's locked up on Moss, then Welker's going to have a field day.

Oh I understand that there were keeping Revis on Moss and that seemed like the correct play..... but they needed to adjust their scheme on Welker... Like that was embarassing how open he was. I mean after the 8th or 9th or heck even 10th catch maybe, just maybe you want to try something different. And perhaps they did try a few things but maybe switching Revis to Welker and doubling Moss could have been tried.

 

[TLEF316]

Revis is really good. Easily one of the top at his position in the league. His make up speed is nasty.How do the Jets play Moss man up for most of the game and allow Welker to catch 15 passes is just down right pathetic though.

The problem is if they put Revis on Welker, then Moss destroys them. I think they could have tried something different to slow down Welker but they only have one quality CB and that's Revis. If he's locked up on Moss, then Welker's going to have a field day.

If Rhodes was still Rhodes of 3 years ago, they could put Sheppard or Strickland on Moss and just play Rhodes over the top. Yeah, Moss is great, but at least then, you're relying on Brady to throw it 40 yards. (as opposed to throwing 12 yards to Welker all day long)