Most underrated top 25 WR? (1 Viewer)

[Anonymous Internet User]

Currently, his ADP is somewhere in the early to mid 6th round.

When he played in Tennessee from 2001-2004, which was heavily run oriented at the time, he was good for 1150 yards and 7 TDs on average.

Last year, he got traded to the WR hellhole that is Baltimore. And here's his stats with the combo of Wright and Boller throwing to him:

86 rec / 1073 yards / 3 TDs

Now, McNair comes over to Baltimore and is reunited with his #1 WR. Am I the only one thinking that a nice 1200/10 year is possible? Baltimore has a strong RB position with Jamal Lewis and Mike Anderson, leaving the WRs to mostly man coverage. With the developing Mark Clayton and Todd Heap, opposing defenses won't be able to double cover Mason all day.

I certainly think he's worth more than a 6th round ADP.

What say you?

 

[packersfan]

I would expect his ADP to rise now that McNair is there. I could see him inching into the Top 20. I think he was actually a better value play with Boller there because Boller (rightfully so) scared off a lot of folks. But with McNair back, I think most people will realize Mason's production should increase so I don't think he'll slide too far any longer. He's a strong WR2 in my opinion.

 

[Joe T]

Agree, he will become a value play on draft day. He's going to have a good, consistent Rod Smith like year.

My most underrated top 25 WR is Terry Glenn. Finished #12 last year yet most people don't have him in their top 25. I think he's a top 20 lock with all the double coverage that Owens will be getting on the other side of the ball. Plus, Bledsoe loves him. You're going to see about 35 TD passes out of Bledsoe this year and Glenn will have 9 or 10 of them.

 

[wannabee]

The WR I have seen be even more of a value play is Driver. Driver has gone after Mason in the drafts I have been in. I think Driver should be money this year.

 

[Joe T]

Please set up a thread for the most overrated WR in the top 25. I don't want to steal thunder here, but would like to post my comments on a tie between Roy Williams and Andre Johnson.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Please set up a thread for the most overrated WR in the top 25. I don't want to steal thunder here, but would like to post my comments on a tie between Roy Williams and Andre Johnson.

I don't mind all the side discussions, it's all about WRs anyway.I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

Driver is hovering around the top 15 area right now in ADP, so not sure where you see him getting picked after Mason in drafts, wannabee?

Joe, I agree that Glenn is a good WR to have as well, but historically last year was an outlier in terms of performance. He may or may not step up like that again, especially considering injury concerns. That's probably keeping him down atm.

 

[Joe T]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

 

[wannabee]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

For many initial dynasty drafts, Johnson goes before: DJackson, Walker, Coles, Santana Moss, Driver, Houshmanzadeh, Mason, etc and many times in front of guys like Chambers or Wayne.

 

[Joe T]

Joe, I agree that Glenn is a good WR to have as well, but historically last year was an outlier in terms of performance. He may or may not step up like that again, especially considering injury concerns. That's probably keeping him down atm.

You make a good point here. My counter argument would be that I start my rankings with a PPG basis. I want players who produce high PPG rather than someone I know is going to give me an average 16 games. Glenn does have a higher injury risk, but when he plays he's going to give me more PPG than the 15 guys in front of him in most people's rankings. Or if like last year and he is healthy all year, well you've got a top 20 WR.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

For many initial dynasty drafts, Johnson goes before: DJackson, Walker, Coles, Santana Moss, Driver, Houshmanzadeh, Mason, etc and many times in front of guys like Chambers or Wayne.

Yeah, that's why I only consider value based on redraft. Dynasty values are always with respect to such and such, whereas redrafts can be more concrete in terms of stats and trends. Extrapolation is always a tricky thing ...

 

[Joe T]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year. So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.And don't get me started on Roy Williams at #15.

 

[Joe T]

For many initial dynasty drafts, Johnson goes before: DJackson, Walker, Coles, Santana Moss, Driver, Houshmanzadeh, Mason, etc and many times in front of guys like Chambers or Wayne.

There are a lot of bad FF players out there.

 

[Blackjacks]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year. So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.And don't get me started on Roy Williams at #15.

I'd be very happy to have Roy as my #2 wr.

 

[John Mamula]

For many initial dynasty drafts, Johnson goes before: DJackson, Walker, Coles, Santana Moss, Driver, Houshmanzadeh, Mason, etc and many times in front of guys like Chambers or Wayne.

There are a lot of bad FF players out there.

i usually take it as a compliment when my rankings are not in line with adp.

 

[John Mamula]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year. So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.And don't get me started on Roy Williams at #15.

I'd be very happy to have Roy as my #2 wr.

Why?+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 2004 det | 14 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 54 817 15.1 8 |

| 2005 det | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 45 687 15.3 8 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 27 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 99 1504 15.2 16 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

 

[wannabee]

For many initial dynasty drafts, Johnson goes before: DJackson, Walker, Coles, Santana Moss, Driver, Houshmanzadeh, Mason, etc and many times in front of guys like Chambers or Wayne.

There are a lot of bad FF players out there.

i usually take it as a compliment when my rankings are not in line with adp.

The funny part is that most of the drafts I have seen involved guys we all know from around here

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year. So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.

<hijack alert>Joe - rank these factors in order of importance in Johnson not breaking the top 20 so far:

A) lack of ability on Andre's part

B) lack of ability on Carr's part

C) an unimaginative offense

D) poor o-line play not allowing Carr to throw downfield

E) lack of #2 to take attention away from Andre

</end hijack>

 

[John Mamula]

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year.  So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.

<hijack alert>Joe - rank these factors in order of importance in Johnson not breaking the top 20 so far:

A) lack of ability on Andre's part

B) lack of ability on Carr's part

C) an unimaginative offense

D) poor o-line play not allowing Carr to throw downfield

E) lack of #2 to take attention away from Andre

</end hijack>

How does anyone know, but more importantly, what has changed?

 

[Joe T]

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year.  So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.

<hijack alert>Joe - rank these factors in order of importance in Johnson not breaking the top 20 so far:

A) lack of ability on Andre's part

B) lack of ability on Carr's part

C) an unimaginative offense

D) poor o-line play not allowing Carr to throw downfield

E) lack of #2 to take attention away from Andre

</end hijack>

I understand what you are saying. He is a very talented player on a very bad team. But offense/qb hasn't improved this off season that I've seen so I don't see how you can justify moving him higher than he's ever been. Plus, they have Moulds now. Moulds is the value play on this team.B

D

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E

A

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year.  So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.

<hijack alert>Joe - rank these factors in order of importance in Johnson not breaking the top 20 so far:

A) lack of ability on Andre's part

B) lack of ability on Carr's part

C) an unimaginative offense

D) poor o-line play not allowing Carr to throw downfield

E) lack of #2 to take attention away from Andre

</end hijack>

How does anyone know, but more importantly, what has changed?

1) kubiak 2) mike flanagan

3) eric moulds

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year.  So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.

<hijack alert>Joe - rank these factors in order of importance in Johnson not breaking the top 20 so far:

A) lack of ability on Andre's part

B) lack of ability on Carr's part

C) an unimaginative offense

D) poor o-line play not allowing Carr to throw downfield

E) lack of #2 to take attention away from Andre

</end hijack>

I understand what you are saying. He is a very talented player on a very bad team. But offense/qb hasn't improved this off season that I've seen so I don't see how you can justify moving him higher than he's ever been. Plus, they have Moulds now. Moulds is the value play on this team.B

D

C

E

A

i think thats a fair rank. youre more down on carr than I am. Im agnostic on him - I dont think he's been given a real chance to show what he had with the terrible coordinators and line he played with, but we will find out this year.

 

[stbugs]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

Man you guys are hard on Andre Johnson. He was hurt in 2005. He tried to play hurt in weeks 1-4 and then they shelved him until week 9. In his last 9 healthy weeks he had 53 receptions for 612 yards and 2 TDs. While I agree that the TDs were not good, those 9 weeks would be 94 for 1088 and 4 TDs. That would have been good for #22 right behind Reggie Wayne even with just 4 TDs. In PPR leagues he was actually playable the last 9 weeks.As a rookie he put up 976 yards. While it ain't 1000 yards, it was just 24 yards shy and for a rookie WR, that is very, very good.

In 2004 he had 1142 yards and if he adds just 2 TDs and no more yards, he moves from #22 to #14.

Again, while I wouldn't rank him in the top 15 consistently yet, I don't think he is that bad. People seem to have a short memory. Andre Johnson in his first 3 years has more yardage than: Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Marvin Harrison, Chris Chambers, Hines Ward, Rod Smith, Plaxico Burress, Eric Moulds, TO, Laveranues Coles, Donald Driver, Jimmy Smith, Deion Branch, Eddie Kennison, Derrick Mason, TJ Housh, Antonio Bryant, Terry Glenn and only 44 yards less than Chad Johnson.

The only guys in the 2005 rankings that were far ahead were Boldin, Holt and Randy Moss and soon to be Larry Fitzgerald. I stopped at the top 25 and threw in some other notables.

Yes, AJ's 2005 season sucked for the most part, but mainly due to injury and I would say his first 2 years rival almost any WRs except for a handful of guys who started with blazing rookie seasons. I think he will do pretty well this year with a halfway competent WR2 in Moulds.

 

[John Mamula]

He's never cracked the top 20 and he finished just below David Givens and Ernest Wilford last year.  So, I'm failing to see the genius of the top 20 ranking there.

<hijack alert>Joe - rank these factors in order of importance in Johnson not breaking the top 20 so far:

A) lack of ability on Andre's part

B) lack of ability on Carr's part

C) an unimaginative offense

D) poor o-line play not allowing Carr to throw downfield

E) lack of #2 to take attention away from Andre

</end hijack>

How does anyone know, but more importantly, what has changed?

1) kubiak 2) mike flanagan

3) eric moulds

who's to say moulds wont step in and relegate johnson to #2 status?still a lot of unknowns to rank him in the top 20 over many wrs who have done it before.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

still a lot of unknowns to rank him in the top 20 over many wrs who have done it before.

That's definitely a valid position to take, I just think the factors that have been holding him (and Carr) back are on the verge of turning around.

 

[John Mamula]

still a lot of unknowns to rank him in the top 20 over many wrs who have done it before.

That's definitely a valid position to take, I just think the factors that have been holding him (and Carr) back are on the verge of turning around.

that very well could be the case, and i would never say it is impossible for him to be #16, however him achieving that by year end and what his expectation is are two very different things, given various risk facotrs, one being the fact he has never done it before.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

Man you guys are hard on Andre Johnson. He was hurt in 2005. He tried to play hurt in weeks 1-4 and then they shelved him until week 9. In his last 9 healthy weeks he had 53 receptions for 612 yards and 2 TDs. While I agree that the TDs were not good, those 9 weeks would be 94 for 1088 and 4 TDs. That would have been good for #22 right behind Reggie Wayne even with just 4 TDs. In PPR leagues he was actually playable the last 9 weeks.As a rookie he put up 976 yards. While it ain't 1000 yards, it was just 24 yards shy and for a rookie WR, that is very, very good.

In 2004 he had 1142 yards and if he adds just 2 TDs and no more yards, he moves from #22 to #14.

Again, while I wouldn't rank him in the top 15 consistently yet, I don't think he is that bad. People seem to have a short memory. Andre Johnson in his first 3 years has more yardage than: Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Marvin Harrison, Chris Chambers, Hines Ward, Rod Smith, Plaxico Burress, Eric Moulds, TO, Laveranues Coles, Donald Driver, Jimmy Smith, Deion Branch, Eddie Kennison, Derrick Mason, TJ Housh, Antonio Bryant, Terry Glenn and only 44 yards less than Chad Johnson.

The only guys in the 2005 rankings that were far ahead were Boldin, Holt and Randy Moss and soon to be Larry Fitzgerald. I stopped at the top 25 and threw in some other notables.

Yes, AJ's 2005 season sucked for the most part, but mainly due to injury and I would say his first 2 years rival almost any WRs except for a handful of guys who started with blazing rookie seasons. I think he will do pretty well this year with a halfway competent WR2 in Moulds.

ah, but you forget how he was "injured".in game 1, he had a "calf strain". he re-aggrivated it in game 2.

he then proceeded to mangina himself until week 9.

true, he played all 16 games his first two seasons. but mangitis isn't something that goes away once it's shown its head.

and beside the fact, i don't really consider moulds a huge upgrade over gaffney.

 

[GregR_2]

Please set up a thread for the most overrated WR in the top 25. I don't want to steal thunder here, but would like to post my comments on a tie between Roy Williams and Andre Johnson.

I don't mind all the side discussions, it's all about WRs anyway.I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

Driver is hovering around the top 15 area right now in ADP, so not sure where you see him getting picked after Mason in drafts, wannabee?

Joe, I agree that Glenn is a good WR to have as well, but historically last year was an outlier in terms of performance. He may or may not step up like that again, especially considering injury concerns. That's probably keeping him down atm.

You have a point, but it's also not entirely an outlier. He was performing consistently at that level the year before until he was injured. It wasn't a whole season, but 5 games is a long enough run to wonder if it is a pattern. Going into last year one had to decide if he'd just been having a flukishly good stretch of games for 1/3 of a season, or whether it was the level he was going to continue at for the year, and might reach again in 2005.Looking back now, we can definitely say it was a level that he continued at, so I would say he's got a little more surety than if it were just a single season... though not so much as if it was 2 full seasons.

If people think he's less likely to play when hurt (but not injured), or that he has bad conditioning or something like that which may make him more likely to be injured, then I can see someone downgrading him for injury concern, but I still like Glenn's chances and imagine he'll end up on all 3 of my teams again this year like he did last year.

 

[stbugs]

I don't think anyone has Andre Johnson put in the top 25, Joe.

FBG staff rankings down?They have him as a concensus #16.

Wow.

I take it back then.

Sorry, but that's a terrible pick on the part of FBG staff. Andre Johnson belongs in the 25-35 range until he stops being a mangina and starts playing to his potential. Unrealized potential = scrub in fantasy land.

I can seriously name 30 WRs I'd rather have than that guy ...

This is his 4th year coming up, and he's yet to score more than 6 TDs ... and he only cracked 1000 yards once ...

Man you guys are hard on Andre Johnson. He was hurt in 2005. He tried to play hurt in weeks 1-4 and then they shelved him until week 9. In his last 9 healthy weeks he had 53 receptions for 612 yards and 2 TDs. While I agree that the TDs were not good, those 9 weeks would be 94 for 1088 and 4 TDs. That would have been good for #22 right behind Reggie Wayne even with just 4 TDs. In PPR leagues he was actually playable the last 9 weeks.As a rookie he put up 976 yards. While it ain't 1000 yards, it was just 24 yards shy and for a rookie WR, that is very, very good.

In 2004 he had 1142 yards and if he adds just 2 TDs and no more yards, he moves from #22 to #14.

Again, while I wouldn't rank him in the top 15 consistently yet, I don't think he is that bad. People seem to have a short memory. Andre Johnson in his first 3 years has more yardage than: Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Marvin Harrison, Chris Chambers, Hines Ward, Rod Smith, Plaxico Burress, Eric Moulds, TO, Laveranues Coles, Donald Driver, Jimmy Smith, Deion Branch, Eddie Kennison, Derrick Mason, TJ Housh, Antonio Bryant, Terry Glenn and only 44 yards less than Chad Johnson.

The only guys in the 2005 rankings that were far ahead were Boldin, Holt and Randy Moss and soon to be Larry Fitzgerald. I stopped at the top 25 and threw in some other notables.

Yes, AJ's 2005 season sucked for the most part, but mainly due to injury and I would say his first 2 years rival almost any WRs except for a handful of guys who started with blazing rookie seasons. I think he will do pretty well this year with a halfway competent WR2 in Moulds.

ah, but you forget how he was "injured".in game 1, he had a "calf strain". he re-aggrivated it in game 2.

he then proceeded to mangina himself until week 9.

true, he played all 16 games his first two seasons. but mangitis isn't something that goes away once it's shown its head.

and beside the fact, i don't really consider moulds a huge upgrade over gaffney.

Mangitis? Do you have anything useful to contribute or is that it? Johnson tried to play with the calf strain and it was obvious that it wasn't healing so they decided to get him healthy. Seems to make sense to me.If you don't think Moulds is an upgrade over Gaffney, then you don't watch much football, do you? Gaffney had a career year in 2005 with 55 receptions for 492 yards and a career high 2 TDs. I don't care if Moulds is 50 years old, he is still better than a guy who has never been a top 50 WR even when he inherits the #1 WR slot.

Funny, however, that I decided to search for Mangina and Andre Johnson and wouldn't you know it, I found a Peter King article.LINK What are the odds?

 

[stbugs]

still a lot of unknowns to rank him in the top 20 over many wrs who have done it before.

That's definitely a valid position to take, I just think the factors that have been holding him (and Carr) back are on the verge of turning around.

that very well could be the case, and i would never say it is impossible for him to be #16, however him achieving that by year end and what his expectation is are two very different things, given various risk facotrs, one being the fact he has never done it before.

It really isn't that risky. In 2004 when he was WR#22, he was 2 TDs away from #14. Also, AJ's 151 FPs in 2004 were good enough for #14 in 2005.After the top class of WRs, it is a matter of a couple breaks that seems to separate the rest. In 2005, Steve Smith was 32 points ahead of #2, and #13 was only 33 points from #29. In 2004, Muhammad was 28 points ahead of #2 and #11 was only 38 points from #29.

 

[John Mamula]

still a lot of unknowns to rank him in the top 20 over many wrs who have done it before.

That's definitely a valid position to take, I just think the factors that have been holding him (and Carr) back are on the verge of turning around.

that very well could be the case, and i would never say it is impossible for him to be #16, however him achieving that by year end and what his expectation is are two very different things, given various risk facotrs, one being the fact he has never done it before.

It really isn't that risky. In 2004 when he was WR#22, he was 2 TDs away from #14. Also, AJ's 151 FPs in 2004 were good enough for #14 in 2005.After the top class of WRs, it is a matter of a couple breaks that seems to separate the rest. In 2005, Steve Smith was 32 points ahead of #2, and #13 was only 33 points from #29. In 2004, Muhammad was 28 points ahead of #2 and #11 was only 38 points from #29.

a lot of rationalization to put him ahead of others who have been in the top 20.

 

[stbugs]

still a lot of unknowns to rank him in the top 20 over many wrs who have done it before.

That's definitely a valid position to take, I just think the factors that have been holding him (and Carr) back are on the verge of turning around.

that very well could be the case, and i would never say it is impossible for him to be #16, however him achieving that by year end and what his expectation is are two very different things, given various risk facotrs, one being the fact he has never done it before.

It really isn't that risky. In 2004 when he was WR#22, he was 2 TDs away from #14. Also, AJ's 151 FPs in 2004 were good enough for #14 in 2005.After the top class of WRs, it is a matter of a couple breaks that seems to separate the rest. In 2005, Steve Smith was 32 points ahead of #2, and #13 was only 33 points from #29. In 2004, Muhammad was 28 points ahead of #2 and #11 was only 38 points from #29.

a lot of rationalization to put him ahead of others who have been in the top 20.

Not really, just showing that a difference of 2 TDs or 120 yards was all that separated AJ in his second year from #14. All that might be is that one play where AJ was open for a 60 yard TD and Carr under or over threw it. Yes, he wasn't top 20, but he was #23 and then #22. He moved up only 1 ranking even with almost 200 more yards and 2 TDs.Also, I just thought it was very interesting that his 2004 totals were good enough for #14 in 2005. Heck, it would have been #16 in 2003, #16 in 2002, #17 in 2001, #17 in 2000, #16 in 1999, and so on (didn't want to go any further). So basically, AJ had a top 20 season, but unfortunately he had it in 2004 when WR #'s went up and 23 WRs had 150+ FPs, which has happened 1 time since 1999 and I didn't go any farther.

If you think I am trying to rationalize his way into the top 20, I am not. I am just trying to show how close the WR15-30 are in terms of fantasy points and that if AJ just produces his 2004 numbers, he has a very good chance at being in the top 20 and based on the last 7 years, he would probably end up at #16.

 

[nygiants56]

Mason caught 86 balls with Boller at the helm, and averaged 12.5 per catch.

so, to think he could grab 9 more balls isn't out of the question, is it?

95-1200-9

he'll triple his td totals from 2005..

and you can punch that ticket to Hawaii, he's going to be playing in the Pro Bowl..

Ravens have RB issues..if they wanted a guy to handoff to Anderson and Jamal, they would've kept Boller in place..

IMO, he's a top 10 WR in 2006..

just the fact that he caught 86 balls with Boller at QB, tells you something about Derrick Mason..he's is undervalued, big time..

 

[John Mamula]

I am just trying to show how close the WR15-30 are in terms of fantasy points and that if AJ just produces his 2004 numbers, he has a very good chance at being in the top 20 and based on the last 7 years, he would probably end up at #16.

i am very well aware of the tight spread of wrs in that range. that doesn't take away from the fact that he has never done it before.

 

[stbugs]

I am just trying to show how close the WR15-30 are in terms of fantasy points and that if AJ just produces his 2004 numbers, he has a very good chance at being in the top 20 and based on the last 7 years, he would probably end up at #16.

i am very well aware of the tight spread of wrs in that range. that doesn't take away from the fact that he has never done it before.

Correct and I understand that, but I also think it is worth mentioning that he just missed the top 20 because it was an odd year. His 2004 totals would be almost the exact ranking that FBGs has him at (16, right?). In only one other year (1995) since 1990 would AJ's 151 fantasy points been worse than WR17 and he would have still been WR20. Most other years since 1995, he would have been in the WR12-17 range.He was WR23 in 2003 with 166 less yards and 2 TDs less. He was 30 points better in 2004 and just got to WR22.

Anyway, it is obviously pointless to keep going since you are stuck on his ranking. The fact that he finished up 2005 on almost the same pace as his 2004 season, makes me pretty optimistic that he will make the top 20 this year.

Note that I am also in a PPR league, so AJ was actually WR17 in my league in 2004 and in 2005 his last 9 weeks were on pace for 94 receptions over 16 games. His pace over the last 9 weeks put him at about WR15 in my league for 2005. Maybe that is why I back him more than most because he was a useful WR2 in my league in 2003, 2004 and 9 weeks in 2005.