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Mr. Dodds - FFTOC - with a twist (1 Viewer)

JayMan

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Hi David,

First of all, I want to congratulate you and Joe – along with all the staff for putting arguably the best FF site possible. Your dedication and omnipresence are what avid FF players looks for - this is why we are hooked here. Great job!

I have read your article in the Footballguys.com magazine on finding the best FF player and I’m totally in agreement with your statement as FFTOC is the way to go to find him… but with a twist.

I have been playing that format for two years now (nothing close to the stake of the FFTOC though) while looking at Matt Waldman’s column on the subject at FFToday and the only downfall I can think of with that format is that is becomes at times, unfortunately, a case of “Which good player is (will be) playing against the poorest of the defences?” instead of finding the best pure value/player each week.

I’m sure you can see where I’m going, you look at the schedules and know that Larry Fitzgerald is going to play the 49ers passing defence at some point. Same can be said of Shaun Alexander against the whole division! – or worst, 4th tier RBs that gets into your starting lineup only because they play the poorest run defence at the right time.

Don’t get me wrong, it is a wonderful way to go – having to judge if you keep the stars that you did not play for the playoffs or if your spot is not secured, you need to play them right away, the only aspect I think can be ameliorated is to reward (by a multiplying factor or else) participants that starts players against strong defences.

The best example would be Carson Palmer’s performances in week 12 and 13 last year (302/3 and 227/3 against the Ravens and Steelers at Pittsburgh! respectively). Most owners probably had played him in week 2 or 8 at home against the Vikings or the Packers, but I think it would add a lot of interest/strategy to the already difficult choices if participants were rewarded more for their gutsy calls – helping even more to figure out the best FF player in my opinion.

I’m trying to figure out a fair way to capitalize on this – hence why I’m posting this – to get suggestions and commentaries (no need to post the “that the stupidest thread I have seen” comment guys – just pass if you think that way – constructive criticism please!). I have already thought of a multiplying factor that would swing away from 1 depending on the rushing/passing defences ranks (home and away rankings separate) and making that multiplying factor dynamic through the year – meaning that the Bills defence factor would have gone from 1.15 (tough) at the beginning of the year to, let’s say, 0.94 (easy) after having lost Takeo Spikes and allowing opposing teams to rush/pass freely on them later in the year. I’m not suggesting changing it from 1.15 to 0.94 immediately after Spikes went down – it would be the rankings/stats that dictate the multiplying factor.

Then again, we already know that NFL pass defense rank alone can't be used to find the multiplying factor - just think of Michael Vick's running yards... or think of the distinction between a defence that is soft against the opposing TEs but tough on the WRs (this is also mentioned in your magazine - very well said).

As you can see, this is just a thought – and a lot of research/testing needs to be done to get the desire objective without affecting too much the strategy involved in FFTOC.

Thoughts?

 
I love this format too, when you have a larger group playing. I'm in the $250 and $60 this year.

I'm not so sure about this factor. If you like Palmer against the Steelers and he comes up big you already get rewarded. You get his big points and almost nobody else will have played him that week.

 
I love this format too, when you have a larger group playing. I'm in the $250 and $60 this year.

I'm not so sure about this factor. If you like Palmer against the Steelers and he comes up big you already get rewarded. You get his big points and almost nobody else will have played him that week.
I can understand your point... but who would pick Palmer against the Steelers at Pittsburgh - when you can play him against the Vikes or Packers at home... it would be a very gutsy (not to say foolish) move to do by playing him against Pittsburgh... just why we need this incentive multiplying factor in my opinion, to encourage this type of start...
 
Sorry for the self-proclaim bump...

Just wanted to know if David, any staff or board members had a chance to look at it...

I'm asking since FBG is affiliated with FFTOC - to know if there will be a World Series of Fantasy Football to air on ESPN in a few years or not?... "Live from David Dodds basement - it the 2008 WSOFF!... And now we got Radballs posting his week12 lineup - let's see if any of the players match LHUCKS or Couch Potato starters... wait, Chase Stuart and Jason Wood are eliminated already?"

:P

Thoughts?

 
While I am not the biggest fan of the contest, I do think it would be much better if

1) It was a straight sixteen week contest, or

2) If you qualify people after twelve weeks for the playoffs, all the playoff teams start fresh

The Qualifying factor you suggest would then be more appropriate for the playoffs as everyone would have the information to use for the final four weeks.

 
Jayman- Your idea is bass ackwards to concept of showing skills in choosing best matchups. If you are trying to reward those who play "best" (imo best means with logic included) you don't give bonus points for those who choose bad matchups and get lucky with them. Point of being able to choose which week you use players is that you can use them when they have favorable matchups thereby getting more out of them. Rewarding someone for playing a bad matchup levels the field to making a dart thrower equal to a thinker.

 
Capt Hook- I still think 16 week straight total points is best. And many others I've talked with about FFTOC agree it would reward best manager more consistently if it was 16 weeks to determine the Champ instead of 4 weeks....I'm still hoping next year or in near future FFTOC decides to run a FULL 16 Week contest instead of the 12 week/4 week split.

 
Jayman- Your idea is bass ackwards to concept of showing skills in choosing best matchups. If you are trying to reward those who play "best" (imo best means with logic included) you don't give bonus points for those who choose bad matchups and get lucky with them. Point of being able to choose which week you use players is that you can use them when they have favorable matchups thereby getting more out of them. Rewarding someone for playing a bad matchup levels the field to making a dart thrower equal to a thinker.
I can understand your point - but, where's the fun when you know everyone is waiting for McGahee to play the J-E-T-S defence to insert him in their lineup... and on that particular weekend - to have all owners picking him (thus eliminating his value whatsoever)...Obviously, I'm overexagerating to prove my point... there is no clear-cut "wait to start him on that week-end" theory yet - other than SoS and past history of a guy against a certain defence...

But imagine 5 years down the road, where every site will be posting the "preseason FFTOC starting matrix" (as it is the case with projections and tiering for "regular" FF now - think of 5 years back)...

I think that the FFTOC format will require a twist, when it gets real popular and everyone has it on sight - especially if it becomes the way to find the "best FF player on the planet"...

Just my 2 cents...

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Jayman- Your idea is bass ackwards to concept of showing skills in choosing best matchups. If you are trying to reward those who play "best" (imo best means with logic included) you don't give bonus points for those who choose bad matchups and get lucky with them. Point of being able to choose which week you use players is that you can use them when they have favorable matchups thereby getting more out of them. Rewarding someone for playing a bad matchup levels the field to making a dart thrower equal to a thinker.
I can understand your point - but, where's the fun when you know everyone is waiting for McGahee to play the J-E-T-S defence to insert him in their lineup... and on that particular weekend - to have all owners picking him (thus eliminating his value whatsoever)...Obviously, I'm overexagerating to prove my point... there is no clear-cut "wait to start him on that week-end" theory yet - other than SoS and past history of a guy against a certain defence...

But imagine 5 years down the road, where every site will be posting the "preseason FFTOC starting matrix" (as it is the case with projections and tiering for "regular" FF now - think of 5 years back)...

I think that the FFTOC format will require a twist, when it gets real popular and everyone has it on sight - especially if it becomes the way to find the "best FF player on the planet"...

Just my 2 cents...

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Jayman- I like games that don't have a hundred sites coddling bad fantasy players with cheetsheets and holding their hands through the season....but you don't want to twist games to point you distort them too much. I think this idea you have is not only complex to implement and for some players to understand the point but also takes some skill out of the game. While FFTOC is trying to develope a fan base I think you have to keep it simple in concept and reward skill so that those who do look into it can understand it easily and give it a try.And then while trying it see the strategy and skill involved. Seeing the skill rise to the top is why I think 16 weeks of trying to maximize points would separate based on skills even better and more clearly.As to when/if sites start giving out too much help to the bad players doing FFTOC it will have become successful and still be a better measure of skill than serpentine draft leagues that are already broken down ad nauseum by every site out there. Just like in those draft leagues there will still be separation between a really good player and one mearly using cheetsheets or FFTOC Grids..the gap between will just have shrunk. Get in FFTOC in next couple seasons to still have the larger size gap between those who can think things out themselfs vs those who can compete with plenty of cheetsheet type help.

 
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