Mr. Reggie Bush.....where are ya? (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Where art thou?

I am one of the guys that was saying BUSH would be one of the next GREAT rb's, granted its only 4 games but when will see some nice numbers...(ppr league or not) I drafted him in the 1st round in one of my ppr leagues and also have Maroney Gore and T.Bell and i havent played Maroney or Bell all year as i cannot for the life of me take Bush out my lineup.... Gore was my other starter as well.

So far other rookies are looking nice. Maroney DWill Addai Norwood.

I guess its was just me expecting more out of Bush than i should. I had him as my rb3 in another league and he was really hurting my team. So i traded him off for TJ/Benson and ROY Williams. then Traded Benson for Betts and G.Jennings. While i still think he will be a borderline STUD, he is costing numerous FF owners wins right now, as most guys cant seem to take him out the lineup thinking this is the week that he goes off.

 

[The Jacket]

The other guys, generally speaking, were drafted by teams who need a running back.

New Orleans didn't, and McAllister is looking pretty solid.

He'll arrive sooner or later.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It was amazing how the Saints' offense finally started clicking when they put Bush in as the tailback for a drive.

One other good thing I saw with this game was that they finally started throwing to Bush downfield. Seems up to this game they were content to dump it off to him short and let him try and make something out of nothing, but many of his receiving yards at USC came when he was lined up at tailback and got to head on a route downfield (usually up the sidelines) against a linebacker which is a tremendous mismatch. Right as I was saying this to a buddy of mine he had that 35 yard catch down the sidelines where he had about 7 yards of seperation from the linebacker.

Lining Bush up at tailback the defence just can't stay in a base package and play man coverage, it just creates too large of a mismatch. They either have to go nickel against your base (advantage run) or can't play their base, man defense, but this only works when he's lined up at tailback...splitting him out wide does little in terms of mismatches because the defense just treats him like a WR.

 

[noleswin]

The other guys did not go to a team with a top 5 type back already on the team.

 

[Two Deep]

He apparently has slipped into Jerious Norwoods body.

 

[Mudcrab]

Unfortunately, New Orleans aren't using him with our fantasy teams in mind. Rather, they are moving him all over the field to create opportunities for guys like Colston, Deuce, etc. Very selfish I think.

 

[Doug B]

One other good thing I saw with this game was that they finally started throwing to Bush downfield. Seems up to this game they were content to dump it off to him short and let him try and make something out of nothing ...

There was still too much of dumping the ball to Reggie hoping he'll beat three unblocked defenders. Perhaps thoses plays are in there to give the D certain looks, and "set trends" so that plays later on will be successful. In any case, Carolina had no problems bottling up Bush.For the first time ... I am having doubts about Bush's ability to be a true fantasy RB1 in the case of a Deuce injury. Other teams will sell out to stop him -- which could hugely inflate Brees and Colston. But Bush looks very stoppable to me ... and I was pimping him very hard coming into the season.

 

[massraider]

It's difficult to stay neutral about this.

If you don't have Reggie on your fantasy team, then you're disgusted by the hype, and the knuckelheads on ESPn already calling him a star (and Mario Williams a bust).

That aside, yeah, I might have some questions about his rush instincts so far. He's averaging 3.3 yards per carry. But his value in the passing game seems to be obvious.

Like all rookies, it's too early to say.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

I too am starting to worry. I think the Saints are doing a decent job in how they use him, but the best thing they do with him, and it doesn't help me at all, is how they use him as a decoy. He opens things up for others on the team. He's still hanging around for me in my PPR league, but I need to make a trade at RB to sure up some other positions, and he may be on the block soon. I think he needs a little time to realize he can't do in the NFL what he did in college. He needs to start getting up field, then make his moves when he's one on one, not behind the line with every defender infront of him. I now if I bench him in week 5 he'll break out in a big way.

 

[Banger]

I was not nearly as high as Bush as the general FF community. From watching his highlight reel clips he was obviously explosive but he seemed to have so much space in college that it was hard to judge whether his ability would translate as well to the NFL since he wouldn't have the same time/space. I thought his durability and ability to break tackles would be key to his success at the next level. So far, he seems to go down rather easily in what I've seen of him and the Saints are trying to get him in space by passing him the ball as opposed to handing it off.

With the exception of one broken play in the preseason against the awful Titans he really hasn't shown much. It's only 4 games but he looks like a glorified/over-paid 3rd down back so far.

 

[abhall]

For the first time ... I am having doubts about Bush's ability to be a true fantasy RB1 in the case of a Deuce injury. Other teams will sell out to stop him -- which could hugely inflate Brees and Colston. But Bush looks very stoppable to me ... and I was pimping him very hard coming into the season.

I agree. Thank God he's my FLEX/4th RB and not my RB2. I think in the long run he'll learn to be a more effective North/South runner, but right now he's still dancing/juking too much. Maroney looks so much better than him thus far. It's still so early though. I expect big things from him in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[djcolts]

Addai: 207 yards rushing, 4.5 yards/carry, 1 TD - 11 rec 72 yards, 6.5 yards per, 1 TD

Bush: 147 yards rushing, 3.3 yards/carry, 0 TD - 23 rec 187 yards, 8.1 yards per, 0 TDs

Jones-Drew: 118 yards rushing, 5.9 yards/carry, 9 rec 91 yards, 10.1 yards per, 2 TDs

Maroney: 294 yards rushing, 4.9 yards/carry 3 TDs, 6 rec 76 yards, 12.7 yards per, 0 TDs

Norwood: 217 yards rushing, 8.3 yards/carry 1 TD. 1 rec 12 yards 12.0 yards per, 0 TDs.

Williams: 135 yards rushing, 5.4 yards/carry, 1TD. , 7 rec 41 yards, 5.9 per 0 TDS.

I think all of the teams above are happy with the guy they ended up with.

 

[Two Deep]

I was not nearly as high as Bush as the general FF community. From watching his highlight reel clips he was obviously explosive but he seemed to have so much space in college that it was hard to judge whether his ability would translate as well to the NFL since he wouldn't have the same time/space. I thought his durability and ability to break tackles would be key to his success at the next level. So far, he seems to go down rather easily in what I've seen of him and the Saints are trying to get him in space by passing him the ball as opposed to handing it off. With the exception of one broken play in the preseason against the awful Titans he really hasn't shown much. It's only 4 games but he looks like a glorified/over-paid 3rd down back so far.

He looks indecisive and tentative. I think he expects to see big running lanes and open space and when he doesn't he is not sure what to do. He we be good on "Dancing With The Stars" though, he cut quite a rug on that punt return yesterday for negative yardage. See this is what happens when everybody gets themselves all worked up over a so called can't miss pick. I liken it to Christmas you get yourselves all excited thinking you are going to get a certain gift and BAM! when you don't you find yourself the Mayor of Let Down City.

 

[Kiddnets]

Dumped him in my TD heavy keeper league.

IMO - In non ppr TD heavy league - he just doesn't have the value to be anything more than a #3RB at this point. Maybe if they dump Deuce next year but not sure that is feasible or in the plans. It looks like the 1-2 punch is working on the field - that's all the Saints brass cares about. Reggie doesn't have to score 10 TDs to be a top RB - but it does make him a sub par fantasy RB.

 

[Doug B]

He looks indecisive and tentative. I think he expects to see big running lanes and open space and when he doesn't he is not sure what to do.

Bush admitted exactly this to Aikman in an interview earlier in the week.

 

[packersfan]

The other guys did not go to a team with a top 5 type back already on the team.

Neither did Bush. McAllister isn't a Top 5 RB in the league in my opinion.My main concern with Bush is how tentative he looks running the ball. There's no explosiveness to his runs. He's catching the ball very well and there's no question his presence is really opening things up for the entire Saints' offense because of how heavily defenses are keying on him. But from a fantasy perspective, his value is extremely minimal in non-PPR leagues and I'm starting to wonder if that's going to change. He's definitely getting his chances (two carries right near the goal line last week and another inside the 10 against the Panthers) but he's not converting. I'll admit I was drinking the Bush as RB2 Kool-Aid because I believed with 15-20 touches he would have the potential to pile up some quality yardage and some big plays throughout the season (I kept my TD projections in the 5-7 range). But I'm not seeing many big plays and I'm not seeing anything happening from him in the running game. He had a good Week 1 in my opinion but he's been very ordinary since then.From a fantasy perspective, if you're a Bush owner in a non-keeper and non-PPR league it may be time to either bench him if you've been using him as a flex option or see if you can get something of value for him in a trade if you need help elsewhere. I would qualify trading him as an option mainly for those who have him in leagues with tight roster limits. His name value could be enough to get you a good return if you decide to make a trade so you have a chance to upgrade your roster by trading someone who isn't contributing much. The only cavaet I can see for him is the hope that McAllister gets hurt at some point (a very likely possibility given how McAllister was missing games before his knee injury last season) and that Bush explodes with a big game if he gets a start or two. I really don't like the idea of trading Bush because I do believe in his talent but we're a quarter of the way through the season now and, in my opinion, he's trending the wrong way. I've been less and less impressed with him since the opener. In a PPR league he obviously still has good value but for those in non-PPR leagues or in TD-heavy leagues he's not doing much of late. And I'm starting to wonder if that's going to change anytime soon.

 

[strong]

BUY LOW ON REGGIE BUSH!!!!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I was not nearly as high as Bush as the general FF community. From watching his highlight reel clips he was obviously explosive but he seemed to have so much space in college that it was hard to judge whether his ability would translate as well to the NFL since he wouldn't have the same time/space. I thought his durability and ability to break tackles would be key to his success at the next level. So far, he seems to go down rather easily in what I've seen of him and the Saints are trying to get him in space by passing him the ball as opposed to handing it off. With the exception of one broken play in the preseason against the awful Titans he really hasn't shown much. It's only 4 games but he looks like a glorified/over-paid 3rd down back so far.

I had brought that up around draft time, but it was pooh-poohed. Bush was so much faster and more explosive and playing in so much open space at USC, you couldn't really judge how well he would play in tight spaces like he would see in the NFL. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be very good in the NFL, but you just could not tell from watching his highlight film whether he would have that wiggle you need in the NFL. You could see it in his teammate, LenDale White. And with RBs on teams that weren't nearly as good as USC, like Norwood at Miss St and Williams at Memphis. But there was no frame of reference to judge how good Reggie would be in the NFL since he so often was a mismatch in college. He could certainly still turn out to be a superstar. But it's not that surprising that he is having some early rookie season troubles running the ball.

 

[The Jacket]

He apparently has slipped into Jerious Norwoods body.

He wishes he slipped into Jerious Norwood's position running behind Alex Gibbs-coached offensive line.

 

[Doug B]

My main concern with Bush is how tentative he looks running the ball. There's no explosiveness to his runs.

by ConstruxBoy:

Bush was so much faster and more explosive and playing in so much open space at USC, you couldn't really judge how well he would play in tight spaces like he would see in the NFL.

Exactly. He actually has looked explosive on a few plays when he's had daylight in front of him. Now, if the Saints' coaches can train him to use the same explosiveness when hitting typical NFL 12-inch creases, Bush will start to improve dramatically. He looks up and doesn't see the huge hole ... so he's assuming the play's been bottled up.

 

[Jagerbomber]

If Deuce goes down, what do you expect the rest of the season would look for Bush?

Signed, Overeager drafter.

 

[EBF]

The lack of big plays is somewhat disappointing, but his production has actually been pretty good so far. He's a must-start in PPR leagues.

People have a tendency to be a little myopic when it comes to dynasty prospects. Not all great players come out of the gate scorching, and not all of the guys who come out of the gates scorching end up becoming great players.

Chad Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Plaxico Burress, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and a host of other great players were basically invisible as rookies. This season's example is Bernard Berrian. He was worthless and valueless for the first two years of his career, but if you stuck with him then you now have a solid player. My point? Don't get carried away because the guy isn't putting up HoF numbers after four weeks. Have some patience.

Joseph Addai, Jerious Norwood, Greg Jennings, Marques Colston, and Laurence Maroney are getting most of the hype right now, but that doesn't mean guys like LenDale White, Marcedes Lewis, Tarvaris Jackson, Kellen Clemens, Chad Jackson, Brian Calhoun, Santonio Holmes, Derek Hagan, and Sinorice Moss won't eventually become stars. Players need opportunities and some of them also need a few seasons to get the hang of NFL football. I would actually recommend pursuing these "disappointing" rookies because it's likely that their owners are getting antsy.

 

[Lauryn]

The other guys did not go to a team with a top 5 type back already on the team.

exaggerate much?deuce hasn't looked studly in a few years now

 

[Doug B]

People have a tendency to be a little myopic when it comes to dynasty prospects. Not all great players come out of the gate scorching, and not all of the guys who come out of the gates scorching end up becoming great players.

This is true ... but RBs with Bush's level of raw tools tend to star immediately -- or at least make it obvious that they could star immediately given the reps.

Chad Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Plaxico Burress, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and a host of other great players were basically invisible as rookies. This season's example is Bernard Berrian. He was worthless and valueless for the first two years of his career, but if you stuck with him then you now have a solid player. My point? Don't get carried away because the guy isn't putting up HoF numbers after four weeks. Have some patience.

It's a different ballgame with WRs -- they normally do take time to develop.

 

[packersfan]

The Saints are playing good football now without question but if they want to be a true playoff contender this season I believe they are going to need to get more production out of Bush the rest of the season. He has to do more than just open up possibilities for other players and other aspects of the offense. When he gets his hands on the ball -- especially in the running game -- he is going to have to be a difference maker. If he isn't, I think the Saints will be a close but not quite there yet team in the playoff race.

Just my two cents looking ahead.

 

[shakeybarn]

Shockingly the Bush bashing is light on this thread.

Bush to me, is the next Faulk, I said that going into this year, and will stick to it. Duece isn't top 5, but that's moot, as Bush is splitting carries for one, and we all knew going in, it was the home run factor that would make him valuable not moving the ball midfield vs the Bears in Soldier Field in December. You cut those chances in half, it will take longer for him to get those, much less gain experience in learning how to exploit those opportunites in the NFL.

Marshall had 1250/500. Without Duece, that's about where I'd put Bush. So if you are coming here to just bash Bush, you are helping noone, ... if it's around legitimate fantasy discussion then fine.

Bush is on a 750/500, which is ok. Maybe it's an issue of mechanics which is fixable, or on the flip-side he just isn't NFL-ready.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The other guys did not go to a team with a top 5 type back already on the team.

exaggerate much?deuce hasn't looked studly in a few years now

Ludacrous statement. You can't say that simply because he was injured.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Another thing to note is that the learning curve for Bush is FAR greater than any rookie RB coming into the league.

He isn't just learning the RB position, he is learning how to play a hybrid WR role as well.

Right now he's tentative because there is so much information he has had to digest and it's not second nature yet. It's going to take some time for him to feel comfortable in the role he's playing due to it being so much more complex than what most rookies have to deal with.

 

[cstu]

Shockingly the Bush bashing is light on this thread.Bush to me, is the next Faulk, I said that going into this year, and will stick to it. Duece isn't top 5, but that's moot, as Bush is splitting carries for one, and we all knew going in, it was the home run factor that would make him valuable not moving the ball midfield vs the Bears in Soldier Field in December. You cut those chances in half, it will take longer for him to get those, much less gain experience in learning how to exploit those opportunites in the NFL.Marshall had 1250/500. Without Duece, that's about where I'd put Bush. So if you are coming here to just bash Bush, you are helping noone, ... if it's around legitimate fantasy discussion then fine.Bush is on a 750/500, which is ok. Maybe it's an issue of mechanics which is fixable, or on the flip-side he just isn't NFL-ready.

Bush is on pace for 564/772 and 94 catches, but has only a 3.2 YPC which is what concerns me. The difference between him and Faulk is that Faulk was a great runner in addition to a receiver right off the bat. I think Bush will get there, but he clearly doesn't feel comfortable running the ball. As far as the question, absolutely it's time to buy low in non-PPR leagues. Some owners may be willing to trade his potential for a RB who will help them win now.

 

[cstu]

The other guys did not go to a team with a top 5 type back already on the team.

exaggerate much?deuce hasn't looked studly in a few years now

Ludacrous statement. You can't say that simply because he was injured.

It's also a ridiculous argument to say he's "no longer" a top-5 back when he never was one. However, he has been a good top-10 back and I think he still plays at that level. As far as him being bad for two years in a row, last year he was actually ok and faced some tough defenses in the first 4 games before he was injured (Panthers, Giants, Vikings, Bills).

 

[EBF]

People have a tendency to be a little myopic when it comes to dynasty prospects. Not all great players come out of the gate scorching, and not all of the guys who come out of the gates scorching end up becoming great players.

This is true ... but RBs with Bush's level of raw tools tend to star immediately -- or at least make it obvious that they could star immediately given the reps.

Chad Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Plaxico Burress, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and a host of other great players were basically invisible as rookies. This season's example is Bernard Berrian. He was worthless and valueless for the first two years of his career, but if you stuck with him then you now have a solid player. My point? Don't get carried away because the guy isn't putting up HoF numbers after four weeks. Have some patience.

It's a different ballgame with WRs -- they normally do take time to develop.

It's not like he's a flop. Isn't he leading all RBs in receptions?It's tough to gauge his performance in the rushing attack because he's not getting tons of carries. However, I certainly wouldn't be alarmed because his YPC is a little low after four weeks. The guy has been productive and is already a top 20 RB in PPR leagues. I think the best comparison is Tiki Barber. He didn't start out as a stud, but rather worked his way up to that point as his touches gradually increased.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Bush is on pace for 564/772 and 94 catches, but has only a 3.2 YPC which is what concerns me. The difference between him and Faulk is that Faulk was a great runner in addition to a receiver right off the bat. I think Bush will get there, but he clearly doesn't feel comfortable running the ball. As far as the question, absolutely it's time to buy low in non-PPR leagues. Some owners may be willing to trade his potential for a RB who will help them win now.

LT averaged 3.6ypc in his first season, and 3.1 and 3.0ypc in his first couple games, so that can certainly be turned around. Heck, the guy you're comparing him to (Faulk) averaged 3.0 ypc in one of his first seasons.

 

[Lauryn]

The other guys did not go to a team with a top 5 type back already on the team.

exaggerate much?deuce hasn't looked studly in a few years now

Ludacrous statement. You can't say that simply because he was injured.

did you see him in the games AFTER he got his big contract and BEFORE he got hurt? he was a slug, running for #### yards per carry. get over it.

 

[duaneok66]

we debated this all summer . . . is he helping the Saints? YES

is he helping your fantasy team in the way theat you expected (if you wasted a 2nd on him)?? NO

What is happening on the field is no surprise . . . the guy is on the field for less than 40 snaps a game . . .

when Payton figures out how to get him the ball in space (see Westbrook and Barber), then his career will hit the next level . . . right now they just throw him the ball and HOPE that he makes guys miss . . .

 

[Chreesto]

posted this in another thread today about rookies........probably should have been here.

I'm seriously blown away by all the hype about Reggie Bush. He certainly looks elusive but so did Dave Megget, Eric Metcalf and a whole bunch of smallish backs that have good hands. I have watched every New Orleans game except the one vs GB ( I purchased highlights of that one on Itunes) and I don't see Bush as an every down back in this league. To say that he would be a top 3 without Deuce seems like madness to me. He doesn't seem to be as tough a runner as Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn or Marshall Faulk (players who are physically similar) so I have to label him as too small or "runs too small" or whatever it means when you can't lower your shoulders and get 2-3 yds. I like the guy. I think he is a great ambassador for the game and I think he will be a huge part of New Orleans offense for years to come but that doesn't mean enough in the world of Fantasy Football to be a top 3 back. I see him putting up numbers that would position him between 7-15 (basic yardage scoring, slightly higher PPR) for the rest of his career. I'm convinced that people are blinded by the hype. Someone please convince me otherwise.

 

[DevilDog919]

Bush is on pace for 564/772 and 94 catches, but has only a 3.2 YPC which is what concerns me. The difference between him and Faulk is that Faulk was a great runner in addition to a receiver right off the bat. I think Bush will get there, but he clearly doesn't feel comfortable running the ball. As far as the question, absolutely it's time to buy low in non-PPR leagues. Some owners may be willing to trade his potential for a RB who will help them win now.

LT averaged 3.6ypc in his first season, and 3.1 and 3.0ypc in his first couple games, so that can certainly be turned around. Heck, the guy you're comparing him to (Faulk) averaged 3.0 ypc in one of his first seasons.

It's his rookie season, he has alot to learn...and I'm sure defenses are focusing on him a TON. Even the GREATS didnt post spectacular numbers there first few years. Priest who should also be mentioned with the greats, was a backup for awhile behind J Lewis. I'll wait awhile longer before I predict how good or how bad he will be.

 

[Football Jones]

Even though Bush is obviously a good prospect, I was concerned about what kind of vision he would have in the pros. Like many other FFers, I watched Bush a lot in college, but it was real hard to get an accurate grade on him pertaining to that skill because he simply outran the vast majority of defenders (& usually had a nice hole to boot).

No, I'm not saying Bush will be a bust, but you can't survive on speed alone in the pros. It'll be interesting to see if he can develop other areas of his game so he can enhance his performance. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say he'll end up as a fairly good pro, but not outstanding.

I drafted him in a couple of my redraft leagues thinking Bush would become the feature back, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen this year (so far, anyway). I took him because of his situation, which looks like a mistake at this point (too much Deuce). Bush could very well start performing better, though. I'm not really down on him, just more undecided of his potential right now. It'll be interesting to see how he does the rest of the season.

 

[Zigg]

As a Saints fan who's watched every game, I have a different opinion of Bush. As of right now, he is FAR better running between the tackles than outside. All his success(minus a reverse or two) has been on quick hitters up the middle. His burst when he runs up the gut is not an issue, the problem lies when he gets outside and tries to turn everything into a long TD. He often gets outside on a pitch, AND JUST STOPS. He needs to realise that 3/4 yards is a nice pickup. I have every confidence that he'll come around, and probably sooner than later. He has a smart coach, and seems like a young player willing to learn.

Even though I think he'll have no problem when his time comes to take over an everydown role, I hope the Saints always have a Deuceish player on the roster. Deuce in the backfield and Bush in the slot must be a nightmare for DCoordinators.

PS- I hope the Saints hire Faulk as a RB coach if he dosn't return to action next season.

 

[mlwinokur]

If you had to choose who to start this week, having both bush and Deuce on your roster, who would you choose?

I'd choose Deuce, anyone disagree?

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I'm convinced that people are blinded by the hype. Someone please convince me otherwise.

I don't know a lot about Bush (though to date he's produced pretty well), but I recall the coaches consistently said in the preseason that Deuce would get a lot of carries, including the goal line carries. Many chose to overlook that reality for the hype.

 

[duaneok66]

I'm convinced that people are blinded by the hype. Someone please convince me otherwise.

I don't know a lot about Bush (though to date he's produced pretty well), but I recall the coaches consistently said in the preseason that Deuce would get a lot of carries, including the goal line carries. Many chose to overlook that reality for the hype.

what he said . . .

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm convinced that people are blinded by the hype. Someone please convince me otherwise.

I don't know a lot about Bush (though to date he's produced pretty well), but I recall the coaches consistently said in the preseason that Deuce would get a lot of carries, including the goal line carries. Many chose to overlook that reality for the hype.

what he said . . .

For starters, 90% of what we hear from coaches in the preseason is false...it's called coachspeak.Next, Deuce hasn't gotten all the goalline carries, he's just converted on a couple more of them.

 

[duaneok66]

I'm convinced that people are blinded by the hype. Someone please convince me otherwise.

I don't know a lot about Bush (though to date he's produced pretty well), but I recall the coaches consistently said in the preseason that Deuce would get a lot of carries, including the goal line carries. Many chose to overlook that reality for the hype.

what he said . . .

For starters, 90% of what we hear from coaches in the preseason is false...it's called coachspeak.Next, Deuce hasn't gotten all the goalline carries, he's just converted on a couple more of them.

translation; Bush is not an effective goal line back . . . he has looked terrible on his goal line carries . . .

 

[Ice Cream Man]

For starters, 90% of what we hear from coaches in the preseason is false...it's called coachspeak.

It's a little different when the man is paid $8 million a year -- they are not going to have Deuce ride the pine. Of course, most people could figure that out without the coaches consistently supporting the size of his role in the press... but many did not. That's what it means to be blinded by the hype.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

For starters, 90% of what we hear from coaches in the preseason is false...it's called coachspeak.

It's a little different when the man is paid $8 million a year -- they are not going to have Deuce ride the pine.

Tell that to Cedric Benson.

Of course, most people could figure that out without the coaches consistently supporting the size of his role in the press... but many did not. That's what it means to be blinded by the hype.

Not sure where you're getting all this from. No one expected Deuce to "ride the pine" out of the gates, and really Bush has gotten more work (read: touches) than even many of Bush's biggest supporters predicted at this point in the season.I don't think anyone really ever tried to say Bush was going to be a 30 touch guy out of the gates and Deuce was going to be lucky to get 3 a game. Even the most staunch Bush supporters predicted 15-20 touches and he's averaged 19.25 per game thusfar.This sounds to me like someone is just trying to pat themself on the back when really in regards purely to touches the Bush doubters were quite wrong.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I have nothing against Bush -- from the looks of it he's doing pretty good. But to suggest Bush is in any way disappointing at this stage in the season (the original poster et al.) implies that many owners felt he'd be scoring a lot of TDs. Of course, he may well yet.

All I said was -- amid all the Bush hype -- the team had Deuce as the goal line back along with sharing the carries. [Heck, even Funston kept Deuce among his top 40 because of that]. In light of this, Bush expectations should have been tempered.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

But Deuce hasn't been the "goal line back". They've both gotten chances down there. And of course people knew he wasn't going to be getting all the carries and expectations WERE tempered because of it. If they weren't I can guarantee you you would've been seeing Bush go off the board in round 1 in many drafts.

 

[railman305]

bush is on pace for 1330 yards, and hasnt even broken a long one yet, that and the fact that with the amount of touches he is getting he is bound to find the Endzone a couple times, that isnt half bad for where he was drafted in most drafts, People the expected him to take the league by storm are pissed, but he has been pretty solid #2-3, and gold in PPR leagues

 

[(HULK)]

I'm convinced that people are blinded by the hype. Someone please convince me otherwise.

I don't know a lot about Bush (though to date he's produced pretty well), but I recall the coaches consistently said in the preseason that Deuce would get a lot of carries, including the goal line carries. Many chose to overlook that reality for the hype.

what he said . . .

For starters, 90% of what we hear from coaches in the preseason is false...it's called coachspeak.Next, Deuce hasn't gotten all the goalline carries, he's just converted on a couple more of them.

translation; Bush is not an effective goal line back . . . he has looked terrible on his goal line carries . . .

Don't you think thats jumping the gun a little?

 

[packersfan]

If you had to choose who to start this week, having both bush and Deuce on your roster, who would you choose?I'd choose Deuce, anyone disagree?

In a standard scoring league it's Deuce without question. I'm still not convinced he makes it through the entire season healthy, though.