I agree that this is no big deal, but I'm curious to hear more about why you consider it a hardship if people can't wear Indian headdresses and sombreros. Are they really an important part of your day to day life? Are you in a Village People cover band or something?Link
Again, this is not offensive. Sorry. If anything, they are making fun of how Americans celebrate the holiday.
So you can't dress up in an Indian Headdress. And you can't wear sombreros anymore. Awesome.![]()
At first glance, I could see how some might be offended. But seeing it as a goof on how some people in the US celebrate it makes it a non-issue. I think the intent was misunderstood and that's what brought the complaints.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
I'll give you my lucky sombrero when you pry it from my cold, dead head.And you can't wear sombreros anymore. Awesome.![]()
It's a slippery slope. One day, the PC police stop you from wearing a sombrero; the next they stop you from dressing up as a horrible racial caricature and fake wrestling other caricatures for money.I agree that this is no big deal, but I'm curious to hear more about why you consider it a hardship if people can't wear Indian headdresses and sombreros. Are they really an important part of your day to day life? Are you in a Village People cover band or something?Link
Again, this is not offensive. Sorry. If anything, they are making fun of how Americans celebrate the holiday.
So you can't dress up in an Indian Headdress. And you can't wear sombreros anymore. Awesome.![]()
Who said it was a hardship?I agree that this is no big deal, but I'm curious to hear more about why you consider it a hardship if people can't wear Indian headdresses and sombreros. Are they really an important part of your day to day life? Are you in a Village People cover band or something?Link
Again, this is not offensive. Sorry. If anything, they are making fun of how Americans celebrate the holiday.
So you can't dress up in an Indian Headdress. And you can't wear sombreros anymore. Awesome.![]()
Not really seeing that context. at allWhat's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys
No, I was just kidding. The way you phrased it made it sound funny, like you were really bummed that headdresses and sombreros are no longer valid wardrobe options.Who said it was a hardship?I agree that this is no big deal, but I'm curious to hear more about why you consider it a hardship if people can't wear Indian headdresses and sombreros. Are they really an important part of your day to day life? Are you in a Village People cover band or something?Link
Again, this is not offensive. Sorry. If anything, they are making fun of how Americans celebrate the holiday.
So you can't dress up in an Indian Headdress. And you can't wear sombreros anymore. Awesome.![]()
I was referencing the article from a few weeks ago where Heidi Klum was called a racist for wearing Indian gear. My point is that people used to dress up in these costumes all of the time. Now they are offensive? It's stupid. Can we not wear green and pretend to talk with an Irish accent on St. Paddy's day anymore?
As far as a hardship, you've read something into my post that wasn't there. Sorry you were misled.
The Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.It's a slippery slope. One day, the PC police stop you from wearing a sombrero; the next they stop you from dressing up as a horrible racial caricature and fake wrestling other caricatures for money.I agree that this is no big deal, but I'm curious to hear more about why you consider it a hardship if people can't wear Indian headdresses and sombreros. Are they really an important part of your day to day life? Are you in a Village People cover band or something?Link
Again, this is not offensive. Sorry. If anything, they are making fun of how Americans celebrate the holiday.
So you can't dress up in an Indian Headdress. And you can't wear sombreros anymore. Awesome.![]()
More people will read about it here than those who saw it happen.It's MSNBC, not like anyone saw it.
As long as you're willing to suffer our cuisine, we're willing to look the other way.Can we not wear green and pretend to talk with an Irish accent on St. Paddy's day anymore?
Read between the lines, people. The threat is real.(CNN) -- The anchor of MSNBC's "Way Too Early" apologized Tuesday for "ill-advised" references to Mexicans and Cinco de Mayo.
Thomas Roberts, who hosts the show from 5:30 a.m. to 6 a.m., told viewers via Twitter that a segment that featured a correspondent in a sombrero swilling tequila was not intended to demean Mexicans.
"On Monday, Cinco De Mayo, 'Way Too Early' made sarcastic references to the way some Americans celebrate the holiday," he tweeted. "It was not our intention to be disrespectful and we sincerely apologize for the ill-advised references."
You must not have any Mexican populated areas where you live. In Mexican Village in Detroit the parades, party and drinking started at 7am on Sunday the day before and continued though Monday. It is tradition.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
Longing for the past when it comes to race/ethnicity issues probably isn't a winning argument.Remember when people did stupid/ offensive things, but the people who should have been offended shrugged it off, said "we're better than that," and got on with their lives?
What leads you to believe that they were stereotyping racists rather than being racists themselves? Is there video or transcripts that show that they allude to a reference to white people using that caricature in any way? Because the clips out there Noe just seem to show them goofing around rather than condemning the activity in any way.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
It's OK. They were just making fun of racists....Comedy sketch with Jack Benny and Mel Blanc (wearing a sombrero) which would never fly today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1ztCTrBEU
I'm thinking in general. I'm very glad that it seems the majority of people are willing to treat other races equally, at least publicly, so I understand and agree with your point. That being said, if someone does something that I don't like, I ignore it, unless it's harming me or someone I'm close to.Longing for the past when it comes to race/ethnicity issues probably isn't a winning argument.Remember when people did stupid/ offensive things, but the people who should have been offended shrugged it off, said "we're better than that," and got on with their lives?
I do the same, as do most people. But when reflecting on how people used to not make a fuss about negative stereotyping and caricaturing, we should consider the possibility that they didn't make a fuss because they knew they'd be ignored or laughed out of the room. There's nothing wrong with speaking up, society does a perfectly fine job of drawing the line between legitimate gripes and pointless whining. Look no further than the quick dismissal of the #cancelColbert nonsense for evidence that we can separate real concerns fromI'm thinking in general. I'm very glad that it seems the majority of people are willing to treat other races equally, at least publicly, so I understand and agree with your point. That being said, if someone does something that I don't like, I ignore it, unless it's harming me or someone I'm close to.Longing for the past when it comes to race/ethnicity issues probably isn't a winning argument.Remember when people did stupid/ offensive things, but the people who should have been offended shrugged it off, said "we're better than that," and got on with their lives?
Good point, but it seems more and more people are looking for reasons to be offended.I do the same, as do most people. But when reflecting on how people used to not make a fuss about negative stereotyping and caricaturing, we should consider the possibility that they didn't make a fuss because they knew they'd be ignored or laughed out of the room. There's nothing wrong with speaking up, society does a perfectly fine job of drawing the line between legitimate gripes and pointless whining. Look no further than the quick dismissal of the #cancelColbert nonsense for evidence that we can separate real concerns fromI'm thinking in general. I'm very glad that it seems the majority of people are willing to treat other races equally, at least publicly, so I understand and agree with your point. That being said, if someone does something that I don't like, I ignore it, unless it's harming me or someone I'm close to.Longing for the past when it comes to race/ethnicity issues probably isn't a winning argument.Remember when people did stupid/ offensive things, but the people who should have been offended shrugged it off, said "we're better than that," and got on with their lives?![]()
Yeah, I think we now have groups that exist solely to fight discrimination and negative portrayals, and when that's your mission you're gonna find those things in a lot of places where it's not really justified. But I'd rather those groups exist and be a little overzealous than not exist. I trust society to filter through that and draw the lines appropriately.Good point, but it seems more and more people are looking for reasons to be offended.I do the same, as do most people. But when reflecting on how people used to not make a fuss about negative stereotyping and caricaturing, we should consider the possibility that they didn't make a fuss because they knew they'd be ignored or laughed out of the room. There's nothing wrong with speaking up, society does a perfectly fine job of drawing the line between legitimate gripes and pointless whining. Look no further than the quick dismissal of the #cancelColbert nonsense for evidence that we can separate real concerns fromI'm thinking in general. I'm very glad that it seems the majority of people are willing to treat other races equally, at least publicly, so I understand and agree with your point. That being said, if someone does something that I don't like, I ignore it, unless it's harming me or someone I'm close to.Longing for the past when it comes to race/ethnicity issues probably isn't a winning argument.Remember when people did stupid/ offensive things, but the people who should have been offended shrugged it off, said "we're better than that," and got on with their lives?![]()
I only think they saw the words MSNBC in order to start rationalizing. If this happened on Fox, there'd be campaigns to have cable outlets pull the station off of the air and Tim and Tobias would be leading the charge...What leads you to believe that they were stereotyping racists rather than being racists themselves? Is there video or transcripts that show that they allude to a reference to white people using that caricature in any way? Because the clips out there Noe just seem to show them goofing around rather than condemning the activity in any way.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
Ha! ha! Making fun of dead Americans who died in the service of their country is hilarious! Covering it up is even funnier!Read between the lines, people. The threat is real.(CNN) -- The anchor of MSNBC's "Way Too Early" apologized Tuesday for "ill-advised" references to Mexicans and Cinco de Mayo.
Thomas Roberts, who hosts the show from 5:30 a.m. to 6 a.m., told viewers via Twitter that a segment that featured a correspondent in a sombrero swilling tequila was not intended to demean Mexicans.
"On Monday, Cinco De Mayo, 'Way Too Early' made sarcastic references to the way some Americans celebrate the holiday," he tweeted. "It was not our intention to be disrespectful and we sincerely apologize for the ill-advised references."
hint: He is making fun of you.Ha! ha! Making fun of dead Americans who died in the service of their country is hilarious! Covering it up is even funnier!Read between the lines, people. The threat is real.(CNN) -- The anchor of MSNBC's "Way Too Early" apologized Tuesday for "ill-advised" references to Mexicans and Cinco de Mayo.
Thomas Roberts, who hosts the show from 5:30 a.m. to 6 a.m., told viewers via Twitter that a segment that featured a correspondent in a sombrero swilling tequila was not intended to demean Mexicans.
"On Monday, Cinco De Mayo, 'Way Too Early' made sarcastic references to the way some Americans celebrate the holiday," he tweeted. "It was not our intention to be disrespectful and we sincerely apologize for the ill-advised references."
Just in general? I think OPM has some good moments.
Krusty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwZ7I7ApghQComedy sketch with Jack Benny and Mel Blanc (wearing a sombrero) which would never fly today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1ztCTrBEU
Speaking of Fox. Stephen Colbert celebrated Hispanic Heritage Month with Fox News last year:I only think they saw the words MSNBC in order to start apologizing. If this happened on Fox, there'd be campaigns to have cable outlets pulling the station off of the air and Tim and Tobias would be leading the charge...What leads you to believe that they were stereotyping racists rather than being racists themselves? Is there video or transcripts that show that they allude to a reference to white people using that caricature in any way? Because the clips out there Noe just seem to show them goofing around rather than condemning the activity in any way.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
YepI think it's funny and a pretty accurate mockery of america's interpretation of this "holiday"
This. Tim, you are too intelligent to post such sweeping generalizations. In my area (central Texas) there were a number of events on Sunday that celebrated history and weren't just white guys getting drunk.You must not have any Mexican populated areas where you live. In Mexican Village in Detroit the parades, party and drinking started at 7am on Sunday the day before and continued though Monday. It is tradition.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
I only think they saw the words MSNBC in order to start rationalizing. If this happened on Fox, there'd be campaigns to have cable outlets pull the station off of the airWhat leads you to believe that they were stereotyping racists rather than being racists themselves? Is there video or transcripts that show that they allude to a reference to white people using that caricature in any way? Because the clips out there Noe just seem to show them goofing around rather than condemning the activity in any way.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.
Ignoring the 19 embassy deaths that happened on your teams watch and then fundraising off the 4 that happened under the scary black guys watch is really funny, no that isn't it, sorry I meant hypocritical bull####.Ha! ha! Making fun of dead Americans who died in the service of their country is hilarious! Covering it up is even funnier!Read between the lines, people. The threat is real.(CNN) -- The anchor of MSNBC's "Way Too Early" apologized Tuesday for "ill-advised" references to Mexicans and Cinco de Mayo.
Thomas Roberts, who hosts the show from 5:30 a.m. to 6 a.m., told viewers via Twitter that a segment that featured a correspondent in a sombrero swilling tequila was not intended to demean Mexicans.
"On Monday, Cinco De Mayo, 'Way Too Early' made sarcastic references to the way some Americans celebrate the holiday," he tweeted. "It was not our intention to be disrespectful and we sincerely apologize for the ill-advised references."
:whoosh: Tim posts far more broad sweeping gerneralizations than anyone on this board.This. Tim, you are too intelligent to post such sweeping generalizations. In my area (central Texas) there were a number of events on Sunday that celebrated history and weren't just white guys getting drunk.You must not have any Mexican populated areas where you live. In Mexican Village in Detroit the parades, party and drinking started at 7am on Sunday the day before and continued though Monday. It is tradition.What's funny is that he wasn't stereotyping Mexicans in that bit so much as young drunk white guys- they're the ones who behave like total idiots on Cinco De Mayo. It's become basically a white college party holiday, akin to spring break.