Beau Tocks
Footballguy
This might be a stupid question but critical for my scoring tonight. Was the muffed catch by Desean Jax tonite considered a fumble though he did not have possession? What is the official ruling on this?
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muffed punt catch=fumble ? (1 Viewer)
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two_dollars
Footballguy
it's my understanding that a Defense - Special Teams play, positive OR negative, does not count vs a player's total in most standard scoring systems.
Xue
Footballguy
IF Return TD's count for WR's, how do Return Fumbles NOT?
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Twilight
Footballguy
The main problem is trying to identify when the fumble occured. That is something that is only determinable for team stats by looking through the play by play. And something that complicated has been beyond most FF software for the most part. Nowadays, it's possible, but it's an added complication that just isn't worth the effort, IMO.
Xue
Footballguy
If DeSean Jackson was the first person to touch the ball for the receiving team and he loses the ball it's a fumble and the D/ST gets credited with a fumble recovery, which Chicago did. How can a D/ST get credit for a fumble recovery and no player on the receiving team get charged with a lost fumble?DeSean Jackson did not need to have "possession" for it to be a fumble. If he were to let it land on the ground, touch it but not pick it up, and a Bears player picks it up, it's still a fumble.
Twilight
Footballguy
Most scoring systems have charged DeSean Jackson with a Fumble. It's officially a fumble in the Gamebook. The only scoring systems that won't is those that differentiate between ST fumbles and regular fumbles. And, as I've mentioned the difficulty in separating the two, those scoring systems are few and far between.
bro1ncos
IBL Representative
I dind't see the play so I don't know if he had possession or not, but a muffed punt without possession is not a fumble in NFL stats.
Edited to add a note directly from NFL rulebook: The distinction between a fumble and a muff should be kept in mind in considering rules about fumbles. A fumble is the loss of player possession of the ball. A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession.
Edited to add a note directly from NFL rulebook: The distinction between a fumble and a muff should be kept in mind in considering rules about fumbles. A fumble is the loss of player possession of the ball. A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession.
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I agree with the above. I don't believe it was a fumble. You have to have the ball to fumble it. He never had possession.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
not sure if NFL rules are different....but this was a muff and not a fumble....in order to fumble you have to have the ball first....he never had the ball
it also makes a difference as far as who can advance the ball when recovered, etc....defense can't advance a muff, they can recover but not advance.....same on an onside kick....
it also makes a difference as far as who can advance the ball when recovered, etc....defense can't advance a muff, they can recover but not advance.....same on an onside kick....
GregR_2
Footballguy
I don't know about all websites, but MFL's "fumble" categories included muffed punts (as it says in the scoring system setup page).
Further, on MFL you would have set it up exactly how you want. There are Fumbles, Fumbles on Offense, Fumbles on Defense, and Fumbles on Special Teams scoring categories. There are also "Fumbles Lost" for each of the above if you only penalize for Fumbles that result in a turnover.
Further, on MFL you would have set it up exactly how you want. There are Fumbles, Fumbles on Offense, Fumbles on Defense, and Fumbles on Special Teams scoring categories. There are also "Fumbles Lost" for each of the above if you only penalize for Fumbles that result in a turnover.
wudaben
Footballguy
In our Sportsline league it is listed as a fumble currently as well but if your rules differentiate between special teams scoring and regular scoring then it should not be counted against you... at least according to our rules. Usually Sportsline has to manually assign certain scoring and most of the time this is done overnight but I expect we'll automatically see Sportsline make the correction on this one.
In our league this would count against the Eagles DST and not Jackson. If Jackson had scored a touchdown then it would have benefited the Eagles DST and not Jackson so it should be the same for a fumble.
In our league this would count against the Eagles DST and not Jackson. If Jackson had scored a touchdown then it would have benefited the Eagles DST and not Jackson so it should be the same for a fumble.
