Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[Smack Tripper]

...and Smack, I think you're an awesome dude. Please don't take any of that as a personal attack on you.

I do not take it as such, and back at you.

 

[Novice2]

Once again, how far away should a potential mosque be?

That was something that my wife and I were talking about. For the people who oppose it, is there a safe distance from Ground Zero where this would be allowed? 10 blocks? 30 blocks? not in Manhattan? not in NYC?

Mecca?

Seems fine with me being they only allow their kind to enter.

 

[KarmaPolice]

My feeling is that it's never going to be long enough and never going to be far enough away. That starts to point to a level of intolerance I don't think is healthy for us to convey to the world.

So instead you want to convey a message of being a (kitten) to the rest of the world? That we can be kicked in the teeth and ask that they wear bigger boots next time?At the very least we need to send a message to the bad muslims. That their actions HURT the muslim community, not help advance it's cause.I'd just like to know where they're planning to build their next "mosque". Where the Sears Tower used to be? Where the Rose Bowl used to be? Where the Superdome used to be? Because the message we've sent to every muslim with evil intent is that wherever they do their dirty work, we're going to build a holy center for their people.All this ground zero mosque does is embolden "radicals". It provides a talking point for recruiting new jihadists. "Look dude, if you blow up a building, they will build you a shrine there"

I guess from my point of view, us going to war against the general opinion of the UN and the rest of the world is enough to support our 'tough guy' status to the world. What were those attacks for if not to supposedly counter what happened to us? I think most countries know we are not to be messed with. Where we disagree on is the message to send to the rest of the Muslims who represent the vast majority of the faith and who's beliefs had nothing to do with the attacker's. We already have the image of a bunch of cowboys shooting their guns around the world in most people's eyes. Once in awhile I would like that mixed with the message that we have the intelligence to step back and that while a select group of crazies in your religion hate us and attacked us, we don't group the rest of you with them and won't punish you for their actions. The FI's are crazy and probably will hate us no matter what we do, so why cater our actions towards them?

 

[KarmaPolice]

My feeling is that it's never going to be long enough and never going to be far enough away. That starts to point to a level of intolerance I don't think is healthy for us to convey to the world.

So instead you want to convey a message of being a (kitten) to the rest of the world? That we can be kicked in the teeth and ask that they wear bigger boots next time?At the very least we need to send a message to the bad muslims. That their actions HURT the muslim community, not help advance it's cause.

I'd just like to know where they're planning to build their next "mosque". Where the Sears Tower used to be? Where the Rose Bowl used to be? Where the Superdome used to be? Because the message we've sent to every muslim with evil intent is that wherever they do their dirty work, we're going to build a holy center for their people.

All this ground zero mosque does is embolden "radicals". It provides a talking point for recruiting new jihadists. "Look dude, if you blow up a building, they will build you a shrine there"

I would see it as the flipside.You want to compromise a way of life which has been a beacon to the world for 100 years as a land of freedom and opportunity because 23 guys got one over on us?

Talk about being a gigantic kitten.

You have to make modifications, you have to adapt to a changing world. I'm not looking for some draconian Gattica type society, but damn man get your head out of the sand. We are at war.

Terrorism is a tactic used by a select group of people, you can't fight it by blowing up countries. The sooner we realize this, the better off we will be.

 

[jomar]

So instead you want to convey a message of being a (kitten) to the rest of the world? That we can be kicked in the teeth and ask that they wear bigger boots next time?

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

 

[MongoL3]

So instead you want to convey a message of being a (kitten) to the rest of the world? That we can be kicked in the teeth and ask that they wear bigger boots next time?

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

No, he wasnt...

 

[Parrothead]

So instead you want to convey a message of being a (kitten) to the rest of the world? That we can be kicked in the teeth and ask that they wear bigger boots next time?

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. are you saying that Jesus was wrong?

yeah and look what happened to him.. maybe if Jesus kicked a little Roman ###, like a fireball here, a little smiting there, we'd be better off....

 

[GroveDiesel]

5 miles is pretty far when we're talking about Manhattan. How about just going with outside the area that's actually designated as Ground Zero?

It is outside the area that's actually designated as Ground Zero.

Then there you go. Although I'm a little surprised that Ground Zero is only defined as the area where the two WTC towers were located. Seems like anywhere in the immediate area where debris from the buildings landed and human remains were found should probably be included in that designation.

 

[El Floppo]

5 miles is pretty far when we're talking about Manhattan. How about just going with outside the area that's actually designated as Ground Zero?

It is outside the area that's actually designated as Ground Zero.

Then there you go. Although I'm a little surprised that Ground Zero is only defined as the area where the two WTC towers were located. Seems like anywhere in the immediate area where debris from the buildings landed and human remains were found should probably be included in that designation.

fyi, debris blew over to Brooklyn.

 

[KarmaPolice]

KP,I dont believe for one second that ALL muslims share the same belief concerning the united states with concern of Jihad. The problem is we have no way of knowing until it is too late who does share that belief. It certainly would help if Muslims living here would actually condem the actions of the muslims in the ME but i never hear squat from them. I watch the news daily and stay informed on the internet so its not like im missing them speaking out. Must be a conspiracy by our media to keep quiet on that.

Just curious if you poked through the links I posted. Honestly, I think you have to try pretty hard not to notice Muslims speaking out about 9/11 and terrorism.

 

[El Floppo]

I looked up these polls mentioned by previous poster who I had a flip reply to (apologies about that)... the ones I found through googly were all from local teeny-tiny colleges (Marist, Sienna), usually having polled around a thousand registered voters. Not sure that completely discredits them, but also doesn't exactly paint a complete picture of what this city of 8million plus really feels or thinks.

and fwiw- Manhattanites polled had an "against" percentage of 30%. Staten Islanders were about 70% against.

 

[MongoL3]

KP,I dont believe for one second that ALL muslims share the same belief concerning the united states with concern of Jihad. The problem is we have no way of knowing until it is too late who does share that belief. It certainly would help if Muslims living here would actually condem the actions of the muslims in the ME but i never hear squat from them. I watch the news daily and stay informed on the internet so its not like im missing them speaking out. Must be a conspiracy by our media to keep quiet on that.

Just curious if you poked through the links I posted. Honestly, I think you have to try pretty hard not to notice Muslims speaking out about 9/11 and terrorism.

Yes briefly. I remember some speaking out right after 9/11 but not much after. Obviously Muslims must know how the perception is for them in this country. Im just suprised they arent making more an effort to change that.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I looked up these polls mentioned by previous poster who I had a flip reply to (apologies about that)... the ones I found through googly were all from local teeny-tiny colleges (Marist, Sienna), usually having polled around a thousand registered voters. Not sure that completely discredits them, but also doesn't exactly paint a complete picture of what this city of 8million plus really feels or thinks. and fwiw- Manhattanites polled had an "against" percentage of 30%. Staten Islanders were about 70% against.

Marist is definately a respected local polling place, don't know much about Sienna, and I do not know what these polls you cite are about though.I would tell you this though, most of the Jersey Shore cast is from Staten Island, to give you a sneak peak into that demo, so take the 70 percent with a grain of salt. Of course, manhattan is full of commie pinko wingnuts, so maybe there's a baseline number. Its a stupid thing to poll in either case though, its a question that is literally given no day to day thought but when you are asked the question in a poll, you'll cling to whatever political identity you have, for the most part, I'd imagine.

 

[KarmaPolice]

KP,

I dont believe for one second that ALL muslims share the same belief concerning the united states with concern of Jihad. The problem is we have no way of knowing until it is too late who does share that belief. It certainly would help if Muslims living here would actually condem the actions of the muslims in the ME but i never hear squat from them. I watch the news daily and stay informed on the internet so its not like im missing them speaking out. Must be a conspiracy by our media to keep quiet on that.

Just curious if you poked through the links I posted. Honestly, I think you have to try pretty hard not to notice Muslims speaking out about 9/11 and terrorism.

Yes briefly. I remember some speaking out right after 9/11 but not much after. Obviously Muslims must know how the perception is for them in this country. Im just suprised they arent making more an effort to change that.

Maybe they don't think that people who feel like you do represent the whole country. Maybe they live in a country where they don't have the ability to write how they feel or have access to the tools to do so. A lot of those links and people speaking out seemed to be prominent educated Muslims in this country and others.

This is a two way street as well - have you made any effort to understand their religion more? Read any books from their point of view?

 

[Statorama]

This is a two way street as well - have you made any effort to understand their religion more?

I can certainly help with the Muhammad stuff if need be.

 

[KarmaPolice]

This is a two way street as well - have you made any effort to understand their religion more?

I can certainly help with the Muhammad stuff if need be.

 

[timschochet]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.

What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

 

[MongoL3]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Oh no...

 

[Christo]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

 

[MongoL3]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

Yes but we are suppose to be "tolerant" of them, they arent of us tho. Dont you follow the news...

 

[timschochet]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

 

[MongoL3]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

What was irresponsible was Islam declaring Jihad and flying planes into the WTC. Maybe that "amped" things up a bit wouldnt you say?

 

[Christo]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

Either they have the right to do it or they don't. It has nothing to do with proportion. Until they advocate violence, it's meaningless.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Are you just realizing that this situation could turn into a ####storm?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I looked up these polls mentioned by previous poster who I had a flip reply to (apologies about that)... the ones I found through googly were all from local teeny-tiny colleges (Marist, Sienna), usually having polled around a thousand registered voters. Not sure that completely discredits them, but also doesn't exactly paint a complete picture of what this city of 8million plus really feels or thinks.

and fwiw- Manhattanites polled had an "against" percentage of 30%. Staten Islanders were about 70% against.

Marist is definately a respected local polling place, don't know much about Sienna, and I do not know what these polls you cite are about though.I would tell you this though, most of the Jersey Shore cast is from Staten Island, to give you a sneak peak into that demo, so take the 70 percent with a grain of salt. Of course, manhattan is full of commie pinko wingnuts, so maybe there's a baseline number.

Its a stupid thing to poll in either case though, its a question that is literally given no day to day thought but when you are asked the question in a poll, you'll cling to whatever political identity you have, for the most part, I'd imagine.

I didn't look at the Marist poll, but I did pull up the pdf that had the crosstabs for the Sienna college poll. It was around 16 questions, and the last two were about the Cordoba Center/Park 51. The first 14 all had to do with immigration and SB 1070, starting out fairly innocuous, with the inferences and rhetorical references getting racheted up with each question.I'm no expert on polling, but that seems like a recipe to elicit a response strictly along ideological; fourteen inquiries that put the responder increasingly on the defensive, then ZING! So, hey, on a related note, what do you think about that WTC Mosque issue?

 

[BoneYardDog]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Now imagine the Imam was a Christian doctor in Afghanistan trying to help the local people...Maybe the Taliban will take a pledge to not build them a church, oh wait never mind they just kill them...You do realize that if Sharia Law is adopted in this country you would be the kind of people they target...

 

[MongoL3]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Now imagine the Imam was a Christian doctor in Afghanistan trying to help the local people...Maybe the Taliban will take a pledge to not build them a church, oh wait never mind they just kill them...You do realize that if Sharia Law is adopted in this country you would be the kind of people they target...

Oh the irony...

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Now imagine the Imam was a Christian doctor in Afghanistan trying to help the local people...Maybe the Taliban will take a pledge to not build them a church, oh wait never mind they just kill them...You do realize that if Sharia Law is adopted in this country you would be the kind of people they target...

Oh the irony...

Log in. Log out. Log in. Log out.

 

[jon_mx]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

Either they have the right to do it or they don't. It has nothing to do with proportion. Until they advocate violence, it's meaningless.

But FoxNews is evil....no one would have figured out building a mosque next to ground zero was bad unless FoxNews broadcasted it. See conservatives are so dumb they can't figure out for themselves that this was a provocative act. Only enlightened people who are smart enough to watch MSNBC and get absolutely zero balance in their coverage can think for themselves.

 

[MongoL3]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

Either they have the right to do it or they don't. It has nothing to do with proportion. Until they advocate violence, it's meaningless.

But FoxNews is evil....no one would have figured out building a mosque next to ground zero was bad unless FoxNews broadcasted it. See conservatives are so dumb they can't figure out for themselves that this was a provocative act. Only enlightened people who are smart enough to watch MSNBC and get absolutely zero balance in their coverage can think for themselves.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

Either they have the right to do it or they don't. It has nothing to do with proportion. Until they advocate violence, it's meaningless.

But FoxNews is evil....no one would have figured out building a mosque next to ground zero was bad unless FoxNews broadcasted it. See conservatives are so dumb they can't figure out for themselves that this was a provocative act. Only enlightened people who are smart enough to watch MSNBC and get absolutely zero balance in their coverage can think for themselves.

What I resent about Fox news and conservative syndicated talk radio's involvement is that it pertains to NYC, a city full people they have no use for, in a city they generally have no use for, in the northeast, a part of the country they have no use for. The people getting most riled up about this are people that would otherwise have no concern for NYC civic interests. And for the record, this door swings both ways and I'm not saying people don't have a right to say their peace. Lord knows that the vast majority of servicemen and women who fought overseas post 9/11 were from the Southern and western portions of this country, an area often mocked or frowned upon by NYC folk. I don't know that there is a solution in this observation, but maybe people frowning so heavilty upon this could shelve thier concern for NYC. And don't read this as a blanket statement either, I believe jamny is from or is in NYC, and I don't doubt some of you others may be as well.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

Yes but we are suppose to be "tolerant" of them, they arent of us tho. Dont you follow the news...

The people who want to build the mosque aren't tolerant of us? You have proof of this?

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.

What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

What was irresponsible was Islam some Fundemental Islamist nutjobs declaring Jihad and flying planes into the WTC. Maybe that "amped" things up a bit wouldnt you say?

 

[MongoL3]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

Yes but we are suppose to be "tolerant" of them, they arent of us tho. Dont you follow the news...

The people who want to build the mosque aren't tolerant of us? You have proof of this?

Just going out on a limb....

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.

What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

Either they have the right to do it or they don't. It has nothing to do with proportion. Until they advocate violence, it's meaningless.

But FoxNews is evil....no one would have figured out building a mosque next to ground zero was bad unless FoxNews broadcasted it. See conservatives are so dumb they can't figure out for themselves that this was a provocative act. Only enlightened people who are smart enough to watch MSNBC and get absolutely zero balance in their coverage can think for themselves.

Fox knows who their base viewers are and what their beliefs are. They are giving it the coverage that they think the viewers want, and yes they have every right to do so. I agree with tim that they seem to focus on things more than I think they need to, but that's why I don't watch it that much. Other channels do the same thing as well. It is hard to weed through the BS and find some solid reporting anymore b/c news is too much of a business and they have sponsers, demographics, and ratings to worry about.

People have the right to protest it and voice their opinions. It would be sad if something more than that happened, as NYC has been through enough.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'm frankly getting very worried about this situation. I'm hearing an awful lot of hate on talk radio. The Imam is consistently being called a supporter of terrorism (he was called that by Sean Hannity on TV last night.) There is a coalition of contractors in New York who have taken a pledge not to work on this building- supposedly they have 10,000 pledges. It's getting really ugly.What I'm afraid of is that some people are going to go beyond words and take action. Perhaps the site will be bombed. Perhaps some nut with a rifle is going to pick some people off. I'm just fearful that because of all the hateful rhetoric drummed up by Fox News and other conservative sources, something really bad is going to happen...

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

Yes but we are suppose to be "tolerant" of them, they arent of us tho. Dont you follow the news...

The people who want to build the mosque aren't tolerant of us? You have proof of this?

Just going out on a limb....

That's right, they all want to blow us up. Funny how there's been no problems from the other mosques in the area. I guess this one is going to be the one training the suicide bombers?

 

[MongoL3]

In all honesty, when you reward the religious followers with a mosque after they've committed the worst terrorist act in our nations history just a block away from where it all took place. You're kinda asking for trouble down the line. JMHO

Hopefully im wrong....

 

[jamny]

Putting aside your worries, isn't what you've described exactly what this country is about? They have the right to build the mosque, people have the right to talk about it and people have the right to refuse to help them build it.Fox News is no more responsible for what the crazies may do than are the people who want to build the mosque.

I'm not talking about their right to do it. Fox News absolutely has the right to talk about it. But IMO they've amped this up beyond all reasonable proportion. Though they have the right to do so, it's irresponsible.

Either they have the right to do it or they don't. It has nothing to do with proportion. Until they advocate violence, it's meaningless.

But FoxNews is evil....no one would have figured out building a mosque next to ground zero was bad unless FoxNews broadcasted it. See conservatives are so dumb they can't figure out for themselves that this was a provocative act. Only enlightened people who are smart enough to watch MSNBC and get absolutely zero balance in their coverage can think for themselves.

What I resent about Fox news and conservative syndicated talk radio's involvement is that it pertains to NYC, a city full people they have no use for, in a city they generally have no use for, in the northeast, a part of the country they have no use for. The people getting most riled up about this are people that would otherwise have no concern for NYC civic interests. And for the record, this door swings both ways and I'm not saying people don't have a right to say their peace. Lord knows that the vast majority of servicemen and women who fought overseas post 9/11 were from the Southern and western portions of this country, an area often mocked or frowned upon by NYC folk. I don't know that there is a solution in this observation, but maybe people frowning so heavilty upon this could shelve thier concern for NYC. And don't read this as a blanket statement either, I believe jamny is from or is in NYC, and I don't doubt some of you others may be as well.

Yes, I've lived my whole life in NYC and work a couple times a week in the city, mostly downtown. What I will remember most about 9/11 and it's aftermath is the feeling that this city wasn't alone when the towers fell. I have never in my live felt so much compassion and concern from so many people from outside the city. All across the country, people dropped their negative opinions of New York and came together with assistance, concern and support. This wasn't just a NY (and D.C.)thing, 9/11 was an attack on the whole country. I won't now deny people the right to voice their opinions about what happens on or near what is a national place of mourning. It is their place too.And I disagree that Fox News and conservative talk doesn't care about me. They know we're out here and count on them as a counter balance to the daily dreck from the liberals we are surrounded by.

 

[MongoL3]

:money:

 

[Smack Tripper]

In all honesty, when you reward the religious followers with a mosque after they've committed the worst terrorist act in our nations history just a block away from where it all took place. You're kinda asking for trouble down the line. JMHOHopefully im wrong....

do you want to bejudged and accounted for by the actions of the few in the name of your religion? Are Christians still accountable the crusades?If you REALLY wanted to forge a broad coalition against Islam, there is a more effective means that might be even more effective at undermining it because it's something American libs could embace. Their treatment of women. We are all either women or we come from one. Their draconian dealing with them through most of the Muslim world is deplorable. I know womens rights is not typically a priority of the right but maybe the bedfellows are appropriate here. If this was the point of protest, I think there would be more support for this effort.

 

[MongoL3]

In all honesty, when you reward the religious followers with a mosque after they've committed the worst terrorist act in our nations history just a block away from where it all took place. You're kinda asking for trouble down the line. JMHOHopefully im wrong....

do you want to bejudged and accounted for by the actions of the few in the name of your religion? Are Christians still accountable the crusades?

a few??actions of a few?? few in terms of who was hijacking the plane but they have a pretty big following here and abroad, and the crusades is a little out of our time dont you think. 9/11 didnt happen 1000 years ago....

 

[datonn]

Can I just say that people can be so, SO ignorant, intolerant, bigoted and stupid.

 

[Burton]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that?

The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way.

And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

 

[MongoL3]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that? The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way. And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

Arent we a funny people.....

 

[Yenrub]

Jon Stewart's take

link

 

[datonn]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that?

The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way.

And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

Without the United States, Great Britain and Russia carving up the Middle East after WWII, drawing artificial lines on a map and displacing millions who had been living there for centuries so that millions of displaced individuals from Europe could return to settle the land of their ancestors, there wouldn't have been a 9/11 either.Blaming Islam for 9/11 is about on-par with blaming all Catholics for pedophilia. What those 19 Islamic extremists did was horrifying! But why should the entire religion be blamed for the actions of a few?! Goodness knows I don't want to be within 1,000 miles of being linked to the KKK or child molesters, just because I call myself a Christian.

 

[McJose]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that? The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way. And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

You do know that there isn't really a place called "9/11" right?

 

[Burton]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that?

The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way.

And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

Without the United States, Great Britain and Russia carving up the Middle East after WWII, drawing artificial lines on a map and displacing millions who had been living there for centuries so that millions of displaced individuals from Europe could return to settle the land of their ancestors, there wouldn't have been a 9/11 either.Blaming Islam for 9/11 is about on-par with blaming all Catholics for pedophilia. What those 19 Islamic extremists did was horrifying! But why should the entire religion be blamed for the actions of a few?! Goodness knows I don't want to be within 1,000 miles of being linked to the KKK or child molesters, just because I call myself a Christian.

Suppose, after the KKK did something horrible like a lynching, one third of the churches in this country spoke in favor of it? Suppose the other two-thirds of Christian churches stayed silent? Suppose a poll was taken among Christians around the world, and 70% of them approved of the KKK's actions? If that happened, Christianity would forever be linked with the KKK.You can't dismiss 9/11 as "the actions of a few", because of the reaction by the Muslim world. Do you remember the cheering and celebration in places like Gaza and Iran?

The only effect the United States has had on the Middle East is that we made them a whole lot richer. We discovered their oil, we drilled it for them, and then allowed them nationalize most of the wealth that WE created. If not for us, that whole area would be the backwater that it was 100 years ago. And hopefully soon we'll uncover an alternative tp petroleum, and then it can become a backwater again. But in the meantime we don't need to humiliate ourselves by allowing them to spit in our faces with this mosque.

 

[Burton]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that? The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way. And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

You do know that there isn't really a place called "9/11" right?

Ground Zero. Whatever.

 

[McJose]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Are we really going to allow a mosque to get built at 9/11? How crazy is that? The public should have the right to stop this. Didn't the people living around Gettysburg stop a housing development from being built nearbye? Ground Zero should be treated the same way. And LOL at people suggesting that Islam was not responsible for 9/11. Without Islam, there would have been no 9/11.

You do know that there isn't really a place called "9/11" right?

Ground Zero. Whatever.

It's not really at Ground Zero either.