Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[jamny]

If nothing else, the money that will finance the mosque will be seriously scrutinized by those building it now. There's no way they want any questionable funds going to the project.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

 

[McJose]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

This is simply opinion or speculation on your part. It is not fact.

 

[Steve Tasker]

 

[El Floppo]

23 pages?!? Are people still upset about this? So a group of people picketing the funerals of dead soldiers and implying those soldiers were gay is OK, but building a worship center near a terrorist attack location is bad? Have we cleared all the mosques out of Oklahoma City yet?

Makes zero sense. For starters, no one thought picketing funerals was OK.

Yeah... not like you're going to get a lot of disagreement or debate in here about those nutjobs. I think everybody that agrees with them is pretty much a member of their church? group?... what... about 20 of them?

 

[jon_mx]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

 

[drummer]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

Is that what scares you?

 

[jon_mx]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

This is simply opinion or speculation on your part. It is not fact.

Yes, that is kind of why I prefixed it with IMHO. But thanks for cluing in all those people who don't understand that.

 

[El Floppo]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Psst Jon Mx, I think, knows history... and you're wrong... apparently.... due to history and whatnot.

 

[McJose]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

That doesn't mean they didn't live peacefully.ETA: There was a good reason why some Christians and Jew stuck around Cordoba...it was the greatest city in Europe at the time.

 

[jon_mx]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

Is that what scares you?

It doesn't scare me. I just want this to be open about who they are and what the message they are saying. If you like being kicked in the balls, enjoy.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

moops

 

[jon_mx]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

That doesn't mean they didn't live peacefully.ETA: There was a good reason why some Christians and Jew stuck around Cordoba...it was the greatest city in Europe at the time.

You could say the same thing about slavery.

 

[mad sweeney]

23 pages?!? Are people still upset about this? So a group of people picketing the funerals of dead soldiers and implying those soldiers were gay is OK, but building a worship center near a terrorist attack location is bad? Have we cleared all the mosques out of Oklahoma City yet?

We dont have a lot of them here, thats not how we roll.....

Churches near the Murrah building OK?

What do Churches have to do with Tim McVeigh and the OKC bombing. A piss poor analogy any way you look at it.

What do moderate Muslims in NYC have to do with Saudi Al Qaida suicide bombers? Oh wait, you have a gut feeling...

 

[BobbyLayne]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

That doesn't mean they didn't live peacefully.ETA: There was a good reason why some Christians and Jew stuck around Cordoba...it was the greatest city in Europe at the time.

Biggest city in the world at the time. It was Manhattan before there was a new world.You want flat bread at 3 a.m.? No problem.

 

[McJose]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

This is simply opinion or speculation on your part. It is not fact.

Yes, that is kind of why I prefixed it with IMHO. But thanks for cluing in all those people who don't understand that.

I'm still not as wrong as you.

 

[El Floppo]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

This is simply opinion or speculation on your part. It is not fact.

Yes, that is kind of why I prefixed it with IMHO. But thanks for cluing in all those people who don't understand that.

dude... wow.everything I've read and been seeing from these people is completely the opposite of that. wherever you're getting that HO, it ain't from the words coming out of their mouths.

AGAIN- here are the examples they've been citing as precedents for what they'd like to this thing to be:

Exhibit A

part Deux

 

[Steve Tasker]

23 pages?!? Are people still upset about this? So a group of people picketing the funerals of dead soldiers and implying those soldiers were gay is OK, but building a worship center near a terrorist attack location is bad? Have we cleared all the mosques out of Oklahoma City yet?

We dont have a lot of them here, thats not how we roll.....

Churches near the Murrah building OK?

What do Churches have to do with Tim McVeigh and the OKC bombing. A piss poor analogy any way you look at it.

What do moderate Muslims in NYC have to do with Saudi Al Qaida suicide bombers? Oh wait, you have a gut feeling...

Please stop ignoring the fact that the Christians and Jews were second-class citizens in Cordoba 1200 years ago. It's a very relevant argument.

 

[mad sweeney]

Absolutley, I don't fault Americans who don't want this built there.

It helps not to be so vague in the fight of good vs. evil. You are either with them or against them. Right Obama?

So once again, all Muslims are evil. The acts if radical murderers are to be held against an entire religion and people who stand by the Founding Documents of America are "siding with evil". I can just picture Burton hosting a Larry the Cable Guy marathon with you, Mongol and Jonny coming out of it talking about all the good points he raised.

Sorry we dont hate america......

Apparently you do since you want to throw away some of our most precious attributes and are calling on politicians to overstep their power and "do something" to stop something that the 'pilgrims' fled from in England. I would say those of us strong enough in their belief that America stands for something more than popularity and are willing to stomach something distasteful rather than break our country's foundation are much more in love with America than the supposedly extra-patriotic party.

 

[drummer]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

Is that what scares you?

It doesn't scare me. I just want this to be open about who they are and what the message they are saying. If you like being kicked in the balls, enjoy.

How do the Terrorists win again? When we stop acting like Americans and live in fear and suspicion.

 

[MongoL3]

I tell ya what. Looking at some of the responses if I ever become a liberal, Jon you need to shoot me....

 

[ericttspikes]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

Well if you read their website their stated goals is to advance multiculturism and bridge ties between Muslims and the west. Well, this is the most divisive project imaginable. So they are either ####### liars or they are ####### stupid. Being able to raise $100 million, I kind of doubt they are ####### stupid.

Isn't a $100 million Islamic center better than $100 million worth of C4 vests? The only reason this is a big deal is because it was made a big deal. I honestly don't even get the controversy. I guess if people think Islam is evil and that all Muslims are terrorists it makes sense, but I personally don't get it.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

I'm too tired to argue this, but when you say "monument to those who took down the world trade center towers", do you mean literally? Like that's what it will say inside? And there will be pictures of the rubble? Or do you mean figuratively? Like some anti-American Muslim in Saudi Arabia will laugh and say "that mosque and cultural center is a monument to Muslim power in the West!"Either way, you really need to step up the thinking skills on this one because both interpretations are pretty feeble minded.

 

[mad sweeney]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.

Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?

I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.

So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Why should they do something that more or less gives credibility to the belief that regular Muslims are equated with the terrorists? How can they seek to gain acceptance if they tacitly give that comparison legitimacy? Also, iirc the group tried to buy an old YMCA and wasn't successful. I believe it was much further away, but I'd be willing to bet anywhere they try to put it on the island would fall into "too close to Ground Zero".

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Sorry we dont hate america......

Apparently you do since you want to throw away some of our most precious attributes and are calling on politicians to overstep their power and "do something" to stop something that the 'pilgrims' fled from in England. I would say those of us strong enough in their belief that America stands for something more than popularity and are willing to stomach something distasteful rather than break our country's foundation are much more in love with America than the supposedly extra-patriotic party.

I appreciate someone getting my point. Thanks!

 

[mad sweeney]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

Well if you read their website their stated goals is to advance multiculturism and bridge ties between Muslims and the west. Well, this is the most divisive project imaginable. So they are either ####### liars or they are ####### stupid. Being able to raise $100 million, I kind of doubt they are ####### stupid.

Have you considered the fact that a project like this will be watched absolutely scrupulously by the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...? It's the LAST place in the world shenanigans would be likely to take place. It'll be under a public, municipal and federal microscope. If you don't think they're stupid because they can raise $100 mil, how can you think they'd be stupid enough to do anything stupid there other than their stated goals?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

Well if you read their website their stated goals is to advance multiculturism and bridge ties between Muslims and the west. Well, this is the most divisive project imaginable. So they are either ####### liars or they are ####### stupid. Being able to raise $100 million, I kind of doubt they are ####### stupid.

Have you considered the fact that a project like this will be watched absolutely scrupulously by the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...? It's the LAST place in the world shenanigans would be likely to take place. It'll be under a public, municipal and federal microscope. If you don't think they're stupid because they can raise $100 mil, how can you think they'd be stupid enough to do anything stupid there other than their stated goals?

I think he's worried that some loser in Saudi Arabia will laugh at us. And I don't blame him. They laugh pretty loudly over there.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

 

[BobbyLayne]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

moops

 

[El Floppo]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

That doesn't mean they didn't live peacefully.ETA: There was a good reason why some Christians and Jew stuck around Cordoba...it was the greatest city in Europe at the time.

You could say the same thing about slavery.

I wonder... again... how much pluralism was going in other cities around the world at that time. Were the cities of Europe melting pot orgies of religious hi-fiving? oh wait... it was centuries before they really even existed- but they brought the hi-fives for sure...

 

[mad sweeney]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

IMHO, the purpose of this building is to build this building as a monument to those who took down the world trade center towers. Cordoba was a city in Spain which was conquered by Muslims. Calling their organization the Cordoba Initiative, kind of tips their hat what this is really all about. That is what Muslims have down throughout their history, they tear down western symbols and put up their own. History is repeating itself. Learn from it.

So once again, you're equating Muslims with the terrorists. People have been going to their other mosque for as long as it's been around. Those are the people you're equating with the terrorists. You can say all you want that you don't hold regular Muslims responsible but your every post screams otherwise. You keep talking about history. Why don't you read up on the history of Christians. You'll find all the brutality, conquering, enslaving, conversions and everything else you accuse this organization of. And much more recently than 1200 years ago.

 

[El Floppo]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

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[MongoL3]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

Im not arguing with anyone, ace If these people want a mooslim mosque on every street corner than have at it, doesnt mean i have to agree with them...

 

[McJose]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

That doesn't mean they didn't live peacefully.ETA: There was a good reason why some Christians and Jew stuck around Cordoba...it was the greatest city in Europe at the time.

You could say the same thing about slavery.

No, no I couldn't.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

I know, I know. I do need to get to bed.

 

[McJose]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

Good point. This is like playing handball against the drapes.

 

[mad sweeney]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

You don't seem to mind that about gays. How are the Muslims going to get the power to make you wear a badge? Is the building going to supercede elections? Are they going for a military coup? How exactly is a community center going to foment this massive shift of power here in our democratic republic?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully.

Yeah, under Muslim rules with Jews and Christians living as second class citizens. Christians and Jews had to wear badges identifying themselves at all times and had limited rights. Oh the joy.

You don't seem to mind that about gays. How are the Muslims going to get the power to make you wear a badge? Is the building going to supercede elections? Are they going for a military coup? How exactly is a community center going to foment this massive shift of power here in our democratic republic?

Maybe they get a vote for every letter in their full names?

 

[drummer]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

Well if you read their website their stated goals is to advance multiculturism and bridge ties between Muslims and the west. Well, this is the most divisive project imaginable. So they are either ####### liars or they are ####### stupid. Being able to raise $100 million, I kind of doubt they are ####### stupid.

Have you considered the fact that a project like this will be watched absolutely scrupulously by the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...? It's the LAST place in the world shenanigans would be likely to take place. It'll be under a public, municipal and federal microscope. If you don't think they're stupid because they can raise $100 mil, how can you think they'd be stupid enough to do anything stupid there other than their stated goals?

I think he's worried that some loser in Saudi Arabia will laugh at us. And I don't blame him. They laugh pretty loudly over there.

Would Hakeem Olajuwon laugh at us too?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Come on guys...you're arguing with Peens and jon mx here....it's a worthless endeavor....pack it up and move on...IMO

Good point. This is like playing handball against the drapes.

Is that a sexual euphemism?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

But what logically is the dubious purpose? Do you think they're going to fill it was explosives and run? If there is a serious, legitimate concern about security with this facility, then I agree to try to block it. But all I see is a political football where people in Washington are playing with the heartstrings of NYCers and other Americans. It's sad.

Well if you read their website their stated goals is to advance multiculturism and bridge ties between Muslims and the west. Well, this is the most divisive project imaginable. So they are either ####### liars or they are ####### stupid. Being able to raise $100 million, I kind of doubt they are ####### stupid.

Have you considered the fact that a project like this will be watched absolutely scrupulously by the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...? It's the LAST place in the world shenanigans would be likely to take place. It'll be under a public, municipal and federal microscope. If you don't think they're stupid because they can raise $100 mil, how can you think they'd be stupid enough to do anything stupid there other than their stated goals?

I think he's worried that some loser in Saudi Arabia will laugh at us. And I don't blame him. They laugh pretty loudly over there.

Would Hakeem Olajuwon laugh at us too?

Olajuwon never laughs. He only cries.

 

[El Floppo]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.

Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?

I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.

So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Why should they do something that more or less gives credibility to the belief that regular Muslims are equated with the terrorists? How can they seek to gain acceptance if they tacitly give that comparison legitimacy? Also, iirc the group tried to buy an old YMCA and wasn't successful. I believe it was much further away, but I'd be willing to bet anywhere they try to put it on the island would fall into "too close to Ground Zero".

yeah- there was a spot on 23rd street that fell through, IIRC from that NYTimes article I posted, almost a decade ago.having had to deal with NYC real estate over the last month, and watching my kid's school desperately trying to find a permanent home for the last 3 years, I can guarantee you that these people found a spot where the price was right and the space was right and that was the bottom line. It's bad enough finding an apartment for a family of 3- watching my kid's school I've learned that finding the right space for an institution is a total and complete trainwreck.

 

[El Floppo]

Well if you read their website their stated goals is to advance multiculturism and bridge ties between Muslims and the west. Well, this is the most divisive project imaginable. So they are either ####### liars or they are ####### stupid. Being able to raise $100 million, I kind of doubt they are ####### stupid.

Have you considered the fact that a project like this will be watched absolutely scrupulously by the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...? It's the LAST place in the world shenanigans would be likely to take place. It'll be under a public, municipal and federal microscope. If you don't think they're stupid because they can raise $100 mil, how can you think they'd be stupid enough to do anything stupid there other than their stated goals?

I think he's worried that some loser in Saudi Arabia will laugh at us. And I don't blame him. They laugh pretty loudly over there.

Would Hakeem Olajuwon laugh at us too?

Olajuwon never laughs. He only cries.

What about Manut Bol?

 

[timschochet]

I have this image, I think it's been planted in my head by Jon_mx: in a couple of years from now, I'm going to take a trip to Ground Zero. And there, directly in front of me (I won't be able to miss it) will be the "ISLAMIC 9/11 CELEBRATION CENTER", a middle-eastern style building complete with minarets, and a sign on the front in both English and Arabic that reads: "We sure kicked your ### that time!"

As I enter the building I will see a film, running constantly, of the twin towers blowing up, with a laugh track, and a group of Arab children constantly applauding. Since I am not Muslim myself I will be part of the guided tour for non-muslims- an Imam will tell us that we can live in peace with the one true religion, so long as we acknowledge our subservience "As in Cordoba!" We will visit room after room where Muslims are praying, as well as manufacturing plastic explosive and strapping it on to themselves. When the tour is over, we will all be required to shout "Death to the infidel!" before we're allowed to leave.

 

[Fennis]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Other than say al-Qaeda, what Muslim group didn’t vehemently condemn 9/11 to your satisfaction?

 

[MongoL3]

I have this image, I think it's been planted in my head by Jon_mx: in a couple of years from now, I'm going to take a trip to Ground Zero. And there, directly in front of me (I won't be able to miss it) will be the "ISLAMIC 9/11 CELEBRATION CENTER", a middle-eastern style building complete with minarets, and a sign on the front in both English and Arabic that reads: "We sure kicked your ### that time!"

As I enter the building I will see a film, running constantly, of the twin towers blowing up, with a laugh track, and a group of Arab children constantly applauding. Since I am not Muslim myself I will be part of the guided tour for non-muslims- an Imam will tell us that we can live in peace with the one true religion, so long as we acknowledge our subservience "As in Cordoba!" We will visit room after room where Muslims are praying, as well as manufacturing plastic explosive and strapping it on to themselves. When the tour is over, we will all be required to shout "Death to the infidel!" before we're allowed to leave.

Sounds like heaven for most of you.....

 

[El Floppo]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Other than say al-Qaeda, what Muslim group didn’t vehemently condemn 9/11 to your satisfaction?

now make it funnier.

 

[TakiToki]

This tweet has been making its way around the web:

In fairness, we've been building 'ground zeros' near Iraqi mosques since March 2003

 

[drummer]

I have this image, I think it's been planted in my head by Jon_mx: in a couple of years from now, I'm going to take a trip to Ground Zero. And there, directly in front of me (I won't be able to miss it) will be the "ISLAMIC 9/11 CELEBRATION CENTER", a middle-eastern style building complete with minarets, and a sign on the front in both English and Arabic that reads: "We sure kicked your ### that time!"

As I enter the building I will see a film, running constantly, of the twin towers blowing up, with a laugh track, and a group of Arab children constantly applauding. Since I am not Muslim myself I will be part of the guided tour for non-muslims- an Imam will tell us that we can live in peace with the one true religion, so long as we acknowledge our subservience "As in Cordoba!" We will visit room after room where Muslims are praying, as well as manufacturing plastic explosive and strapping it on to themselves. When the tour is over, we will all be required to shout "Death to the infidel!" before we're allowed to leave.

Sounds like heaven for most of you.....

GET SOME

 

[Fennis]

After 9/11, I only read a handful of newspaper articles about Muslin groups who expressed their "sorrow" while many countries repeatedly offered their help/condolences. To me, the lack of overwhelming condemnation of the attacks from the Muslim community is what's causing all this.

Why do they want to build it in this particular spot? Are there no other spots in NYC? Isn't the Muslim community trying to gain acceptance within our culture? If so, isn't this a move they should back off from as a "good-will gesture"?

I'm sure there are many Muslims who do truly want acceptance, just as there are many who wish us harm. I expect we wouldn't be having this debate about the location of the mosque if they had been A LOT more vocal in condemning 9/11, Al-Quada, etc. Until they do that, many Americans are going to continue to be suspicious of them as a whole.

So, for now, my emotional answer is "No, they should not build there". However, I also they realize they have every right to build there when it comes to our current laws and the Constitution.

Other than say al-Qaeda, what Muslim group didn’t vehemently condemn 9/11 to your satisfaction?

now make it funnier.

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