My brother says Neil Peart is the greatest rock drummer ever (2 Viewers)

[Todem]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more on themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

Thank you for validating exactly what I thought you were.

If anyone saw the movie "Back to School" you are Phillip the head of the business school department. A frustrated teacher who never "made it" in the business world but thinks he knows every single thing about business....yet could not make a dime as true entrepreneur. Rodney Dangerfield comes along as a highly successful business owner and sticks it too him. Phillip does everything in his power to take him down...but in the end not only loses but loses the girl too.

Case and point on your feelings and overall seething hate of Neil Peart.

Your a fool for thinking a young drummer influenced by Neil Peart would never learn "the right way" to play drums. Pure fodder here. Your disdain for who widely considered one of the greatest and most influential rock drummers of all time is comical at this point. I have several fellow musician friends who were highly influenced and inspired by Peart's work who "made it". Great pocket drummers who also can riff with the best of them when called for in the song. Also the amount of memorble drum lines, fills and overall grooves Neil has composed are considered timeless and classic. But you would not know anything about actually creating music would you?

I would love to know what your insane take on a guy like Gavin Harrsion is. Think he sucks too? LMFAO.

Moving on. Enjoy the thread. Nothing to see here at all.

 

[drummer]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more on themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

Thank you for validating exactly what I thought you were.

If anyone saw the movie "Back to School" you are Phillip the head of the business school department. A frustrated teacher who never "made it" in the business world but thinks he knows every single thing about business....yet could not make a dime as true entrepreneur.

Your a fool for thinking a young drummer influenced by Neil Peart would never learn "the right way" to play drums. Pure fodder here. Your disdain for who widely considered one of the greatest and most influential rock drummers of all time is comical at this point.

I would love to know what your insane take on a guy like Gavin Harrsion is. Think he sucks too? LMFAO.

Moving on. Enjoy the thread. Nothing to see here at all.

Key sentence in my post: none of the teachers (one of which who taught Terry Bozzio and David Garibaldi, the other one again, Tony Williams) never brought Neil Peart up in any of my lessons.

Sorry if that harsh reality bites you where you live, but that's what makes my job here so enjoyable - to see you back it up with more horrid schtick.

 

[Todem]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more on themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

Thank you for validating exactly what I thought you were.

If anyone saw the movie "Back to School" you are Phillip the head of the business school department. A frustrated teacher who never "made it" in the business world but thinks he knows every single thing about business....yet could not make a dime as true entrepreneur.

Your a fool for thinking a young drummer influenced by Neil Peart would never learn "the right way" to play drums. Pure fodder here. Your disdain for who widely considered one of the greatest and most influential rock drummers of all time is comical at this point.

I would love to know what your insane take on a guy like Gavin Harrsion is. Think he sucks too? LMFAO.

Moving on. Enjoy the thread. Nothing to see here at all.

Key sentence in my post: none of the teachers (one of which who taught Terry Bozzio and David Garibaldi, the other one again, Tony Williams) never brought Neil Peart up in any of my lessons.

Sorry if that harsh reality bites you where you live, but that's what makes my job here so enjoyable - to see you back it up with more horrid schtick.

You don't bring him up....because you can never even sniff at creating drum parts Neil Peart has made while taking a #### on the toilet.

You suck. Bottom line. You can drum.....but you can't create brother.

So those who can not do.....teach.

Enjoy it.

 

[drummer]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more on themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

Thank you for validating exactly what I thought you were.

If anyone saw the movie "Back to School" you are Phillip the head of the business school department. A frustrated teacher who never "made it" in the business world but thinks he knows every single thing about business....yet could not make a dime as true entrepreneur.

Your a fool for thinking a young drummer influenced by Neil Peart would never learn "the right way" to play drums. Pure fodder here. Your disdain for who widely considered one of the greatest and most influential rock drummers of all time is comical at this point.

I would love to know what your insane take on a guy like Gavin Harrsion is. Think he sucks too? LMFAO.

Moving on. Enjoy the thread. Nothing to see here at all.

Key sentence in my post: none of the teachers (one of which who taught Terry Bozzio and David Garibaldi, the other one again, Tony Williams) never brought Neil Peart up in any of my lessons.

Sorry if that harsh reality bites you where you live, but that's what makes my job here so enjoyable - to see you back it up with more horrid schtick.

You don't bring him up....because you can never even sniff at creating drum parts Neil Peart has made while taking a #### on the toilet.

You suck. Bottom line. You can drum.....but you can't create brother.

So those who can not do.....teach.

Enjoy it.

Tony Willams taught. So does Billy Cobham.

Gavin Harrison does Master Classes and clinics too.

You're kicking your own ### here, much to my enjoyment.

 

[drummer]

Quick, someone tell Todum that Vinnie Colauita taught Josh Freese, since ya know, Vinnie can't play.

 

[dhockster]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more of themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

First, thanks for taking the time to reply. Second, I hope you get a chance to teach more, you obviously have a passion for it. Finally, if the guys in this thread frustrate you so much that you have to respond in the manner you do, maybe you should not read this thread. I think you will be happier, and the guys you are responding to will be happier. Whatever you decide, I will not trouble you with any more questions, as you have given me a clear understanding of where you stand.

 

[Todem]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more on themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

Thank you for validating exactly what I thought you were.

If anyone saw the movie "Back to School" you are Phillip the head of the business school department. A frustrated teacher who never "made it" in the business world but thinks he knows every single thing about business....yet could not make a dime as true entrepreneur.

Your a fool for thinking a young drummer influenced by Neil Peart would never learn "the right way" to play drums. Pure fodder here. Your disdain for who widely considered one of the greatest and most influential rock drummers of all time is comical at this point.

I would love to know what your insane take on a guy like Gavin Harrsion is. Think he sucks too? LMFAO.

Moving on. Enjoy the thread. Nothing to see here at all.

Key sentence in my post: none of the teachers (one of which who taught Terry Bozzio and David Garibaldi, the other one again, Tony Williams) never brought Neil Peart up in any of my lessons.

Sorry if that harsh reality bites you where you live, but that's what makes my job here so enjoyable - to see you back it up with more horrid schtick.

You don't bring him up....because you can never even sniff at creating drum parts Neil Peart has made while taking a #### on the toilet.

You suck. Bottom line. You can drum.....but you can't create brother.

So those who can not do.....teach.

Enjoy it.

Tony Willams taught. So does Billy Cobham.

Gavin Harrison does Master Classes and clinics too.

You're kicking your own #### here, much to my enjoyment.

They teach those who want to be taught how to rip the drums up....something you feel Neil Peart is inadequate at doing and you cringe at students who want to learn his stuff.

All depends what school you want to go to. Again....your disdain for a particular artist clouds you and your attempt at belittling anyone who happens to enjoy a particular style.

You don't like Peart....it's o.k. What's troubling is your absolute mission to prove to someone he is not that good.

Your just being insane contrary to a widely known opinion about his prowess in the rock world and his lasting influence. And you still did not answer the question. What do you think about Gavin Harrison?

 

[drummer]

Okay, a show of hands here, for how many people think Drummer did not get enough love as a child? He seems very angry at Rush fans for no apparent reason.

This is horrid smack. Seriously, why even log in when this is all ya got?

I don't know. Why are you so angry?

You have better questions to ask.

My guess, nah, ya don't.

Again, condescension.

In the course of an hour yesterday you posted 7 times and in 3 of those posts you were either condescending, sarcastic, or abusive to other posters. Why?

It doesn't bother me but makes me curious about what else is going on in your life that you have to be so unkind on an online message board. Seriously, I'll listen.

Back when I used to teach (and I still do for a few students), I had a few students who just tried to be Peart. Not that they could execute all of what he did, but their idea of what a good drummer is was to try and be Peart. When it came to executing the more important musical qualities, like feel and groove, they fell apart.

Once I got some of that straightened out, I then exposed them to other rock drummers, even Ringo. Other students who had more vocabulary who wanted to get into more of the progressive stuff, I would introduce them to a lot of the drummers I posted here. The listening room had my huge collection of recordings, and I would even put Topper Headon with The Clash to help them expand some ideas when it came to playing rock music.

My goal was to help them get gigs, because they won't get gigs just by emulating Neil Peart. Some of these kids had ideas of going into college as well, so I also had to prepare them for that. The more variety of influences actually brought more of themselves into the music, and I still have young drummers ask me about Billy Cobham, who they have never heard of, and want to check him out more because all they hear on the classic radio station is Peart.

Pardon me if I dismissed your posts, but it was what you brought to the table, which was nothing. What I do isn't about you. What I do is for the people that want to educate themselves more. I don't teach much anymore because I have a job that takes a lot of my time away from me for weeks at a time, but I still give the odd lesson to young and even drummers my age. I've studied with some great teachers and drummers, none of which tried to make me play like Peart, rather more like the real important drummers like Max Roach and such. Tony Williams was one of them.

Thanks for nothing. But you're welcome for me taking time to help educate you.

First, thanks for taking the time to reply. Second, I hope you get a chance to teach more, you obviously have a passion for it. Finally, if the guys in this thread frustrate you so much that you have to respond in the manner you do, maybe you should not read this thread. I think you will be happier, and the guys you are responding to will be happier. Whatever you decide, I will not trouble you with anymore questions, as you have given me a clear understanding of where you stand.

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

 

[drummer]

They teach those who want to be taught how to rip the drums up....something you feel Neil Peart is inadequate at doing and you cringe at students who want to learn his stuff.

All depends what school you want to go to. Again....your disdain for a particular artist clouds you and your attempt at belittling anyone who happens to enjoy a particular style.

You don't like Peart....it's o.k. What's troubling is your absolute mission to prove to someone he is not that good.

Your just being insane contrary to a widely known opinion about his prowess in the rock world and his lasting influence. And you still did not answer the question. What do you think about Gavin Harrison?

Dude, I already respeonded about Harrison pages ago. You're too busy picking at your balloon knot to read this thread.

Again, none of my teachers ever brought up Peart. Eevn more important, very few if any of the gigs I played required me to play like Peart. Even when I had charts of all kinds of odd meter.

 

[drummer]

This is considered one of the greatest rock albums ever recorded, which Neil Peart doesn't play on:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/TheClashLondonCallingalbumcover.jpg

 

[dhockster]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

 

[drummer]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

It's what you bring to the table.

ETA: and if all you brought to the gig was Peart, good luck because it's not a Rush gig in the first place. You try that with other musicians trying to make the same living.

 

[dhockster]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

It's what you bring to the table.

What does that mean?

 

[drummer]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

It's what you bring to the table.

What does that mean?

I fleshed it out for ya.

 

[Todem]

No one is required to play like anyone. The point is to become the artist you want to become.

Having influences can help form/learn some chops and idea's of how you want to approach your instrument. I think you understand that...I gotta believe you understand that being a fellow musician.

Best rock drummer? I don't think there is ever a definitive answer to any question of best "fill in the blank" in rock music. It is such a subjective topic. That is the real point of it. You might think Cobham is. Cool. Who's to argue?

I find any argument about best of in rock music quite silly. It is pure taste and preference. Your just coming off like a ##### though.

Anyway....have a nice life.

BTW I went ahead and read back and found your thoughts on Harrison. The guy has many, many similarities to Peart in his work with Porcupine Tree. No question he was influenced by Copeland and Peart....no question. You can hear it immediately.

 

[drummer]

I had a drummer recently who had a drum intro that went a few bars, and he played it hand to hand, single strokes that wound up getting him burned out by the song finish. I broke the intro down with him, minimized how many had movements he made by using paradidle strokes while still having the same amount of notes, and he with practice strenghtened his left hand and got better chops out of it.

All the while not having to bring up Neil Peart.

 

[drummer]

No one is required to play like anyone. The point is to become the artist you want to become.

Having influences can help form/learn some chops and idea's of how you want to approach your instrument. I think you understand that...I gotta believe you understand that being a fellow musician.

Best rock drummer? I don't think there is ever a definitive answer to any question of best "fill in the blank" in rock music. It is such a subjective topic. That is the real point of it. You might think Cobham is. Cool. Who's to argue?

I find any argument about best of in rock music quite silly. It is pure taste and preference. Your just coming off like a ##### though.

Anyway....have a nice life.

BTW I went ahead and read back and found your thoughts on Harrison. The guy has many, many similarities to Peart in his work with Porcupine Tree. No question he was influenced by Copeland and Peart....no question. You can hear it immediately.

You can find Cobham in Harrison too. You can find Vinnie in Harrison. You can find whatever you want in any drummer.

It just leads to Peart not being the best drummer in rock.

 

[drummer]

BTW, if someone brings you the "those who can't play, teach" thingy again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q81ZHLHDrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-vVSNvAvYQ

 

[Todem]

BTW, if someone brings you the "those who can't play, teach" thingy again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q81ZHLHDrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-vVSNvAvYQ

I was just trying to actually match your eloquent duchery you have been able to display in this thread.

Well aware of incredible players becoming great teachers. Freddy Gruber anyone?

As far as best ever.....there is no best ever. That is the ultimate point which you seem hell bent on not getting.

 

[dhockster]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

It's what you bring to the table.

What does that mean?

I fleshed it out for ya.

Well, not really.

Are you saying that what is important is what you bring to the table as an educator, and how you present it is irrelevent?

 

[drummer]

BTW, if someone brings you the "those who can't play, teach" thingy again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q81ZHLHDrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-vVSNvAvYQ

I was just trying to actually match your eloquent duchery you have been able to display in this thread.

Well aware of incredible players becoming great teachers. Freddy Gruber anyone?

As far as best ever.....there is no best ever. That is the ultimate point which you seem hell bent on not getting.

Tony Williams told me something very important: that if you're going to study with someone for a long time and adhere to their method, find someone who is playing, not just teaching.

Tony's method was a lot different from Gruber's but in essence it's all the same. Tony's concepts actually helped me more in rock situations, where you are making every stroke and are aware of every stroke you make.

Personally, I don't teach much because I am not playing as much, and I tell young drummers to go and study with drummers who are out there and can help open doors by subbing for them when they can't do a gig. I'll help them as far as inspiration and giving them certain tools to work with, but until I am actually a working drummer again, I just give advice and check to see if they are going in the direction they need.

More young drummers who are going to play rock cover gigs are going to play more John Bonham and Phil Rudd than they are ever going to play Neil Peart. They will play more Alex Van Halen and Steven Adler than any Neil Peart. They will play more Bon Jovi than they will play Rush. That's due to the audience, the club booker, and booze sales.

So you tell me: how is Neil Peart the best, most influential drummer in rock?

 

[drummer]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

It's what you bring to the table.

What does that mean?

I fleshed it out for ya.

Well, not really.

Are you saying that what is important is what you bring to the table as an educator, and how you present it is irrelevent?

It's what you bring to the gig Bubba. If all you have is Peart, you don't have jack ####.

 

[dhockster]

What, ya kidding? This thread makes me very happy. For one, I get to educate others more. Second, I get to read the most horrid smack ever on the internet and laugh at it.

So as an educator, which do you find more effective: educating with condescension or educating without condescension?

It's what you bring to the table.

What does that mean?

I fleshed it out for ya.

Well, not really.

Are you saying that what is important is what you bring to the table as an educator, and how you present it is irrelevent?

It's what you bring to the gig Bubba. If all you have is Peart, you don't have jack ####.

I am not talking about Peart or gigs. I am asking about your approach to teaching drummers. Am I being unclear?

 

[Todem]

BTW, if someone brings you the "those who can't play, teach" thingy again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q81ZHLHDrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-vVSNvAvYQ

I was just trying to actually match your eloquent duchery you have been able to display in this thread.

Well aware of incredible players becoming great teachers. Freddy Gruber anyone?

As far as best ever.....there is no best ever. That is the ultimate point which you seem hell bent on not getting.

Tony Williams told me something very important: that if you're going to study with someone for a long time and adhere to their method, find someone who is playing, not just teaching.

Tony's method was a lot different from Gruber's but in essence it's all the same. Tony's concepts actually helped me more in rock situations, where you are making every stroke and are aware of every stroke you make.

Personally, I don't teach much because I am not playing as much, and I tell young drummers to go and study with drummers who are out there and can help open doors by subbing for them when they can't do a gig. I'll help them as far as inspiration and giving them certain tools to work with, but until I am actually a working drummer again, I just give advice and check to see if they are going in the direction they need.

More young drummers who are going to play rock cover gigs are going to play more John Bonham and Phil Rudd than they are ever going to play Neil Peart. They will play more Alex Van Halen and Steven Adler than any Neil Peart. They will play more Bon Jovi than they will play Rush. That's due to the audience, the club booker, and booze sales.

So you tell me: how is Neil Peart the best, most influential drummer in rock?

Now we are having a conversation.

I guess it depends on what "school of rock" you attend. I come from the progressive/hard school of rock. bands like Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, And even some later Led Zeppelin (Physical Graffiti, In Through The Out Door which had some of the best progressive blues based rock I had ever heard) and newer bands such as Porcupine Tree and Muse.

For a young drummer that is not planning on playing cover tunes but actually playing in an original project they may gravitate to drummers like Neil Peart, Gavin Harrison, and yes Mike Portnoy and Dana Carey. For those in the more straight forward rock they will look to those genres of drummers.

BTW when i referenced Foo Fighters I was not talking about Dave Grohl's drumming I was talking about Taylor Hawkins who has a self professed man crush on Neil Peart and jammed YYZ with Alex and Geddy at a Foo Fighters show in Toronto last tour. The last Foo's album has Rush inspired time riffs all over the place by the way.

Peart has inspired 1000's of gen X drummers around the world. I am sure he has influenced the same amount of Gen Y drummers as well. His popularity is undeniable. That is the entire point of Peart. You don't care for him....again I don't care. But to disprove he is one of the more influential rock drummers in history is kinda weird considering all the professed love he get's from so many drummers who made it.

Rush is not a mainstream band by any stretch, nor is Neil Peart a drummer whom you would learn about "pocket playing" from. Neil however is someone you can listen to and always say...wow how did he write such creative drum parts and so many signature rolls, fills and sounds. His ride bell is one of his signatures that so many drummers have pointed to. In the rock drum world he is highly regarded (contrary to your belief he has had no significant impact/influence) on kids wanting to learn how to play drums, write and create distinctive drum parts etc and play just the drums period.

He is not the end all be all by any stretch of the imagination and I would never, ever claim Neil is the most technically gifted drummer...but ### #### that man has written some of the most amazing drum phrasing and bombastic moments I have ever heard in progressive rock history. Dozens upon dozens of songs with incredible playing over the course of 20 studio albums.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

 

[Todem]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

Trent Reznor not only loved Rush and how they had a massive influence on his music and his desire to be a musician, but he loved the period some Rush fans gave up on the band with 82-87. A period where keys were really coming into the forefront.

To listen to Billy Corgan talk about the impact Rush had him as a kid...it was like hearing my own story and I am sure the story 1000's of other musicians had.

I guess the fact Jack Black handed this kid in School of Rock 2112 and implored him to listen to Neil Peart means he was a hack and that he did a disservice to this aspiring young drummer. LOL.

Drummer.....Peart is highly regarded and widely known to be one of the best (not the best) and most original drummers to ever play the kit in progressive rock music. And yes there are many others too!!!! We all know that.

If you have never watched Beyond The Lighted Stage...it is a heck of a Rock Doc on how Rush came to be and everything they endured to get where they are now. So many testimonials from so many great bands, musicians to the lasting influence the band as a whole had on them.

Again Rush is not for everyone. Totally get that. Some people think they are the suck. Cool. Don't care. But their influence and mark on Rock history is now undeniable. Same for Nirvana who I thought were total hacks and sucked big time.

 

[drummer]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

And you really hear that influence in their music.

BTW, that only reinforces Phil Rudd and Ringo Starr as more influential than the guy whose style is never heard in clubs.

 

[drummer]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

Trent Reznor not only loved Rush and how they had a massive influence on his music and his desire to be a musician, but he loved the period some Rush fans gave up on the band with 82-87. A period where keys were really coming into the forefront.

To listen to Billy Corgan talk about the impact Rush had him as a kid...it was like hearing my own story and I am sure the story 1000's of other musicians had.

I guess the fact Jack Black handed this kid in School of Rock 2112 and implored him to listen to Neil Peart means he was a hack and that he did a disservice to this aspiring young drummer. LOL.

Drummer.....Peart is highly regarded and widely known to be one of the best (not the best) and most original drummers to ever play the kit in progressive rock music. And yes there are many others too!!!! We all know that.

If you have never watched Beyond The Lighted Stage...it is a heck of a Rock Doc on how Rush came to be and everything they endured to get where they are now. So many testimonials from so many great bands, musicians to the lasting influence the band as a whole had on them.

Again Rush is not for everyone. Totally get that. Some people think they are the suck. Cool. Don't care. But their influence and mark on Rock history is now undeniable. Same for Nirvana who I thought were total hacks and sucked big time.

LOL. Now we have School Of Rock as the baseline.

Rush fans are the worst when it comes to talking music.

 

[drummer]

Let's just keep Jack Black out of this, because well, it's Jack Black, lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCkHanF4v1w

 

[drummer]

Actually, let's bring Jack Black into this, becuase he is lol, Jack Black:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Wql0CXKi4

 

[drummer]

More for Jack Black, this from 1972 (meaning: pre Neil Peart era rock, lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfRHj6Db8co

BTW, do you hear what I hear? An influence on Peart perhaps?

Paice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peart

 

[Todem]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

Trent Reznor not only loved Rush and how they had a massive influence on his music and his desire to be a musician, but he loved the period some Rush fans gave up on the band with 82-87. A period where keys were really coming into the forefront.

To listen to Billy Corgan talk about the impact Rush had him as a kid...it was like hearing my own story and I am sure the story 1000's of other musicians had.

I guess the fact Jack Black handed this kid in School of Rock 2112 and implored him to listen to Neil Peart means he was a hack and that he did a disservice to this aspiring young drummer. LOL.

Drummer.....Peart is highly regarded and widely known to be one of the best (not the best) and most original drummers to ever play the kit in progressive rock music. And yes there are many others too!!!! We all know that.

If you have never watched Beyond The Lighted Stage...it is a heck of a Rock Doc on how Rush came to be and everything they endured to get where they are now. So many testimonials from so many great bands, musicians to the lasting influence the band as a whole had on them.

Again Rush is not for everyone. Totally get that. Some people think they are the suck. Cool. Don't care. But their influence and mark on Rock history is now undeniable. Same for Nirvana who I thought were total hacks and sucked big time.

LOL. Now we have School Of Rock as the baseline.

Rush fans are the worst when it comes to talking music.

Done with you.

You are a true ##### bag and the worst kind of musician. If you had any inkling of a clue as what influence means in music maybe...but you don't. Influence is also inspiration. It does not mean you want to sound like them, or even play like them. But the fact that musician "A" lit the spark in me to want to play music, pursue the art etc.

Your a joke man. The School of Rock reference was to point out to you just how mainstream and widely regarded Neil Peart is as a rock drummer.

Again you are a true ##### bag. Later. And please put me on ignore as I have done the same to you.

Putz.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Todem, I told you a month ago that you were wasting your time with him. Shame on you for not listening.

 

[drummer]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

Trent Reznor not only loved Rush and how they had a massive influence on his music and his desire to be a musician, but he loved the period some Rush fans gave up on the band with 82-87. A period where keys were really coming into the forefront.

To listen to Billy Corgan talk about the impact Rush had him as a kid...it was like hearing my own story and I am sure the story 1000's of other musicians had.

I guess the fact Jack Black handed this kid in School of Rock 2112 and implored him to listen to Neil Peart means he was a hack and that he did a disservice to this aspiring young drummer. LOL.

Drummer.....Peart is highly regarded and widely known to be one of the best (not the best) and most original drummers to ever play the kit in progressive rock music. And yes there are many others too!!!! We all know that.

If you have never watched Beyond The Lighted Stage...it is a heck of a Rock Doc on how Rush came to be and everything they endured to get where they are now. So many testimonials from so many great bands, musicians to the lasting influence the band as a whole had on them.

Again Rush is not for everyone. Totally get that. Some people think they are the suck. Cool. Don't care. But their influence and mark on Rock history is now undeniable. Same for Nirvana who I thought were total hacks and sucked big time.

LOL. Now we have School Of Rock as the baseline.

Rush fans are the worst when it comes to talking music.

Done with you.

You are a true ##### bag and the worst kind of musician. If you had any inkling of a clue as what influence means in music maybe...but you don't. Influence is also inspiration. It does not mean you want to sound like them, or even play like them. But the fact that musician "A" lit the spark in me to want to play music, pursue the art etc.

Your a joke man. The School of Rock reference was to point out to you just how mainstream and widely regarded Neil Peart is as a rock drummer.

Again you are a true ##### bag. Later. And please put me on ignore as I have done the same to you.

Putz.

I'm gonna post this for Jack Black, since he really needs to revamp his curriculum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1oLmRN6og

ETA: I like this version better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV5He5h7gg

 

[drummer]

Todem, I told you a month ago that you were wasting your time with him. Shame on you for not listening.

Rush fans listen?

 

[drummer]

Where else can you find Tiny Grimes in a thread here?

 

[drummer]

More pre-Jack Black/Peart era:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dOGmctNhc

 

[Todem]

Todem, I told you a month ago that you were wasting your time with him. Shame on you for not listening.

You were so right Jedi Master.....so right.

 

[drummer]

Todem, I told you a month ago that you were wasting your time with him. Shame on you for not listening.

You were so right Jedi Master.....so right.

I'm giving you the homework dude. Take it home, study it a bit, and then slather it with a steak rub and feed it to your dog. That way you have an excuse on why you don't have anything for tomorrows lesson.

Much better than the TODEM IS GETTIN' UPSET posts you're bringing here. Jack Black isn't a very good teacher from what is evident.

 

[drummer]

BTW, what happened to Sabes? I figured he is too busy coaching and training in the off-season, being that ya know, he is famous and posts on a football board.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Todem, I told you a month ago that you were wasting your time with him. Shame on you for not listening.

You were so right Jedi Master.....so right.

Well, some people live in their own little pools and forget about the sea.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

Trent Reznor not only loved Rush and how they had a massive influence on his music and his desire to be a musician, but he loved the period some Rush fans gave up on the band with 82-87. A period where keys were really coming into the forefront.

To listen to Billy Corgan talk about the impact Rush had him as a kid...it was like hearing my own story and I am sure the story 1000's of other musicians had.

I guess the fact Jack Black handed this kid in School of Rock 2112 and implored him to listen to Neil Peart means he was a hack and that he did a disservice to this aspiring young drummer. LOL.

Drummer.....Peart is highly regarded and widely known to be one of the best (not the best) and most original drummers to ever play the kit in progressive rock music. And yes there are many others too!!!! We all know that.

If you have never watched Beyond The Lighted Stage...it is a heck of a Rock Doc on how Rush came to be and everything they endured to get where they are now. So many testimonials from so many great bands, musicians to the lasting influence the band as a whole had on them.

Again Rush is not for everyone. Totally get that. Some people think they are the suck. Cool. Don't care. But their influence and mark on Rock history is now undeniable. Same for Nirvana who I thought were total hacks and sucked big time.

LOL. Now we have School Of Rock as the baseline.

Rush fans are the worst when it comes to talking music.

Done with you.

You are a true ##### bag and the worst kind of musician. If you had any inkling of a clue as what influence means in music maybe...but you don't. Influence is also inspiration. It does not mean you want to sound like them, or even play like them. But the fact that musician "A" lit the spark in me to want to play music, pursue the art etc.

Your a joke man. The School of Rock reference was to point out to you just how mainstream and widely regarded Neil Peart is as a rock drummer.

Again you are a true ##### bag. Later. And please put me on ignore as I have done the same to you.

Putz.

I'm gonna post this for Jack Black, since he really needs to revamp his curriculum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1oLmRN6og

ETA: I like this version better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV5He5h7gg

Oh, a real hep cat, eh?

 

[peaces]

has this guy been mentioned?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RXLPveilqo8

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Brann Dailor

 

[higgins]

Well... someone's a complete ########... time to update my ignore list...

 

[drummer]

Well... someone's a complete ########... time to update my ignore list...

LOOK AT ME! I HAVE AN IGNORE LIST!!!

SERIOUSLY! LOOK AT ME!!!

I HAVE AN IGNORE LIST!!!!!!!!

 

[drummer]

Todem, I told you a month ago that you were wasting your time with him. Shame on you for not listening.

You were so right Jedi Master.....so right.

Well, some people live in their own little pools and forget about the sea.

Well, how does one drummer make a whole sea?

When it's Rush fan making this comparison.

 

[drummer]

I remember Smashing Pumpkins and Stone Temple Pliots, among others, in the 90s professing their love of Rush and how much they influenced them, but I am sure they were referring to just Lifeson and Lee, not that hack behind the drum kit.

Trent Reznor not only loved Rush and how they had a massive influence on his music and his desire to be a musician, but he loved the period some Rush fans gave up on the band with 82-87. A period where keys were really coming into the forefront.

To listen to Billy Corgan talk about the impact Rush had him as a kid...it was like hearing my own story and I am sure the story 1000's of other musicians had.

I guess the fact Jack Black handed this kid in School of Rock 2112 and implored him to listen to Neil Peart means he was a hack and that he did a disservice to this aspiring young drummer. LOL.

Drummer.....Peart is highly regarded and widely known to be one of the best (not the best) and most original drummers to ever play the kit in progressive rock music. And yes there are many others too!!!! We all know that.

If you have never watched Beyond The Lighted Stage...it is a heck of a Rock Doc on how Rush came to be and everything they endured to get where they are now. So many testimonials from so many great bands, musicians to the lasting influence the band as a whole had on them.

Again Rush is not for everyone. Totally get that. Some people think they are the suck. Cool. Don't care. But their influence and mark on Rock history is now undeniable. Same for Nirvana who I thought were total hacks and sucked big time.

LOL. Now we have School Of Rock as the baseline.

Rush fans are the worst when it comes to talking music.

Done with you.

You are a true ##### bag and the worst kind of musician. If you had any inkling of a clue as what influence means in music maybe...but you don't. Influence is also inspiration. It does not mean you want to sound like them, or even play like them. But the fact that musician "A" lit the spark in me to want to play music, pursue the art etc.

Your a joke man. The School of Rock reference was to point out to you just how mainstream and widely regarded Neil Peart is as a rock drummer.

Again you are a true ##### bag. Later. And please put me on ignore as I have done the same to you.

Putz.

I'm gonna post this for Jack Black, since he really needs to revamp his curriculum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1oLmRN6og

ETA: I like this version better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYV5He5h7gg

Oh, a real hep cat, eh?

WTF? Are you sure you're from New Orleans?

I got this collection of stuff with Grimes on it that also has a lot of classic NO artists that recorded on Atlantic back in that era. Great stuff.

 

[drummer]

Gotta give some love to the city of New Orleans, the birthplace of American music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iC0MyIykM&feature=kp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzvF0qnozsg

 

[drummer]

The Sea has enough room for Steve Gadd, right Rush fan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5cGRAfop-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp2B-DkxS5U