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My Dad Is A Right-Wing Assshole (1 Viewer)

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So this is Andrew W.K. giving out advice on his ask Andrew W.K. blog and I thought it may spark some conversation here with how he handled this.

Ask Andrew W.K.Ask Andrew W.K.: My Dad Is a Right-Wing #######
By Andrew W.K. Wed., Aug. 6 2014 at 1:31 PM
[Editor's note: Every Wednesday New York City's own Andrew W.K. takes your life questions, and sets you safely down the right path to a solution, a purpose or -- no surprise here -- a party. Need his help? Just ask: Hi Andrew,

I'm writing because I just can't deal with my father anymore. He's a 65-year-old super right-wing conservative who has basically turned into a total ####### intent on ruining our relationship and our planet with his politics. I'm more or less a liberal democrat with very progressive values and I know that people like my dad are going to destroy us all. I don't have any good times with him anymore. All we do is argue. When I try to spend time with him without talking politics or discussing any current events, there's still an underlying tension that makes it really uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong, I love him no matter what, but how do I explain to him that his politics are turning him into a monster, destroying the environment, and pushing away the people who care about him?

Thanks for your help,
Son of A Right-Winger


Dear Son of A Right-Winger,

Go back and read the opening sentences of your letter. Read them again. Then read the rest of your letter. Then read it again. Try to find a single instance where you referred to your dad as a human being, a person, or a man. There isn't one. You've reduced your father -- the person who created you -- to a set of beliefs and political views and how it relates to you. And you don't consider your dad a person of his own standing -- he's just "your dad." You've also reduced yourself to a set of opposing views, and reduced your relationship with him to a fight between the two. The humanity has been reduced to nothingness and all that's left in its place is an argument that can never really be won. And even if one side did win, it probably wouldn't satisfy the deeper desire to be in a state of inflamed passionate conflict.

The world isn't being destroyed by democrats or republicans, red or blue, liberal or conservative, religious or atheist -- the world is being destroyed by one side believing the other side is destroying the world. The world is being hurt and damaged by one group of people believing they're truly better people than the others who think differently. The world officially ends when we let our beliefs conquer love. We must not let this happen.

When we lump people into groups, quickly label them, and assume we know everything about them and their life based on a perceived world view, how they look, where they come from, etc., we are not behaving as full human beings. When we truly believe that some people are monsters, that they fundamentally are less human than we are, and that they deserve to have less than we do, we ourselves become the monsters. When we allow our emotions to be hypnotized by the excitement of petty bickering about seemingly important topics, we drift further and further away from the fragile and crucial human bond holding everything together. When we anticipate with ferocious glee the next chance we have to prove someone "wrong" and ourselves "right," all the while disregarding the vast complexity of almost every subject -- not to mention the universe as a whole -- we are reducing the beauty and magic of life to a "side" or a "type," or worst of all, an "answer." This is the power of politics at it's most sinister.

At its best, politics is able to organize extremely complex world views into manageable and communicable systems so they can be grappled with and studied abstractly. But even the most noble efforts to organize the world are essentially futile. The best we can usually achieve is a crude and messy map of life from one particular vantage point, featuring a few grids, bullet points, and sketches of its various aspects and landmarks. Anything as infinitely complex as life, reality, and the human experience can never be summed up or organized in a definitive system, especially one based on "left or right," "A or B," "us or them." This is the fatal flaw of binary thinking in general. However, this flaw isn't just ignored, it's also embraced, amplified, and deliberately used as a weapon on the very people who think it's benefiting their way of thinking.

Human beings crave order and simplicity. We cling to the hope that some day, if we really refine our world view and beliefs, we can actually find the fully correct way to think -- the absolute truth and final side to stand on. People and systems craving power take advantage of this desire and pit us against each other using a "this or that" mentality. The point is to create unrest, disagreement, resentment, and anger -- a population constantly at war with itself, each side deeply believing that the other is not just wrong, but also a sincere threat to their very way of life and survival. This creates constant anxiety and distraction -- the perfect conditions for oppression. The goal of this sort of politics is to keep people held down and mesmerized by a persistent parade of seemingly life-or-death debates, each one worth all of our emotional energy and primal passion.

But the truth is, the world has always been and always will be on the brink of destruction. And what keeps it from actually imploding is our love for life and our deep-seeded desire not to die. Our love for our own life is inextricably connected to our love of all life and the miracle of this phenomenon we call "the world." We must give all of ourselves credit every day for keeping things going. It's an incredible achievement to exist at all.

So we must protect and respect each other, no matter how hard it feels. No matter how wrong someone else may seem to us, they are still human. No matter how bad someone may appear, they are truly no worse than us. Our beliefs and behavior don't make us fundamentally better than others, no matter how satisfying it is to believe otherwise. We must be tireless in our efforts to see things from the point of view we most disagree with. We must make endless efforts to try and understand the people we least relate to. And we must at all times force ourselves to love the people we dislike the most. Not because it's nice or because they deserve it, but because our own sanity and survival depends on it. And if we do find ourselves pushed into a corner where we must kill others in order to survive, we must fully accept that we are killing people just as fully human as ourselves, and not some evil abstract creatures.

Love your dad because he's your father, because he made you, because he thinks for himself, and most of all because he is a person. Have the strength to doubt and question what you believe as easily as you're so quick to doubt his beliefs. Live with a truly open mind -- the kind of open mind that even questions the idea of an open mind. Don't feel the need to always pick a side. And if you do pick a side, pick the side of love. It remains our only real hope for survival and has more power to save us than any other belief we could ever cling to.

Your friend,
Andrew W.K.


http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2014/08/ask_andrew_wk_right_wing_dad.php
 
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I like the last paragraph, in spite of the hyperbole. Didn't read the rest.

I have an uncle who's political views I don't share. My brother allows himself to get sucked into political bickering with him. For me politics, like religion, is private- I don't care that he has different beliefs than mine, and I don't have any interest in arguing them one or the other... still enjoy him and love him for what he is.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
On Facebook I have quite a few friends from both sides that are about equally crazy with trying to get their message out.One even loves to troll the news feed pages just to argue his progressive thinking and I know this because I see it come up on the activity ticker.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
Probably 90% conservative that do this on my Facebook. It would be more if not for unfriending the worst ones. It's like they can't be happy believing what they believe. They have to be constantly trying to convince everyone else all the time.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
No. I have a handful of Liberal friends who do the same thing.

 
Both my father and mother-who have been divorced for years-are right wingers who religiously watch Fox News. My father does not use politics for his identity, he rarely discusses it and is generally reasonable (and typically comments along the lines that both parties are corrupt).

My mother-who I always felt was the source of any compassion/empathy towards others I might have- is a bitter, mean spirited right wing nut. I had always been very close with her growing up, and still got along generally well as an adult, until recently. She had posted a vile racist rant on Facebook so I called her and told her I was forced to "unfriend" her. Her rant in essence said "people of color" are lazy and uneducated. My son was adopted from a South American country and I took this kind of personally. I also work with a diverse population and certainly didn't need her views associated with my name, or co-workers reading it.

She predictably was angry, railed that she wasn't allowed to have her own beliefs, and hung up on me. Haven't talked to her in several weeks now.

What I found most comical about my mother's Facebook rant was that she ended it with the statement "This is NOT racist because no malice was intended"

WTF? What the hell does that mean? Racism is racism regardless of intent, and the malice was implicit in the rant. Wish I had made a copy of it but I didn't and she took it down right after I spoke with her.

It's a bizarre world.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
No. I have a handful of Liberal friends who do the same thing.
Oddly enough, my liberal friends are more outspoken in public.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
It's the opposite for me. My liberal friends are outspoken and my conservative friends are more reserved for the most part. Progressives have done a good job making conservatives feel reluctant to publicly talk about their values and beliefs out of fear of pushback and shame.
 
Anybody who posts politics on Facebook gets blocked. On twitter, deleted.

My dad always wants to get into arguments about politics. I tell him if he continues I'm leaving and he changes the topic.

It's all what you allow. I don't give a flying #### what anybody's political opinions are.

 
Well-written, albeit a bit idealist.

Oh, and my father is also right-wing, and also an #######, but not due to causality.

 
Nothing is worse than people who constantly post about politics. Especially when they post crap that has already been disproven on snopes.

 
Both my father and mother-who have been divorced for years-are right wingers who religiously watch Fox News. My father does not use politics for his identity, he rarely discusses it and is generally reasonable (and typically comments along the lines that both parties are corrupt).

My mother-who I always felt was the source of any compassion/empathy towards others I might have- is a bitter, mean spirited right wing nut. I had always been very close with her growing up, and still got along generally well as an adult, until recently. She had posted a vile racist rant on Facebook so I called her and told her I was forced to "unfriend" her. Her rant in essence said "people of color" are lazy and uneducated. My son was adopted from a South American country and I took this kind of personally. I also work with a diverse population and certainly didn't need her views associated with my name, or co-workers reading it.

She predictably was angry, railed that she wasn't allowed to have her own beliefs, and hung up on me. Haven't talked to her in several weeks now.

What I found most comical about my mother's Facebook rant was that she ended it with the statement "This is NOT racist because no malice was intended"

WTF? What the hell does that mean? Racism is racism regardless of intent, and the malice was implicit in the rant. Wish I had made a copy of it but I didn't and she took it down right after I spoke with her.

It's a bizarre world.
You may be right in your world view, but in this case it doesn't "win" you anything. All you're doing is depriving yourself and your son a relationship with his grandma. You will regret this...Facebook be damned. If it helps, think of it as a illness. In her minds' eye she probably sees the world spiraling away from her (and her control of it) and, again wrong or not, probably really cares about the world you and your son is inheriting. If she didn't care deeply about you guys, why would she give two poops about where it is headed after she is gone?

Tldr, repair your relationship and screw what Facebook thinks. You will regret the alternative.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
No. I have a handful of Liberal friends who do the same thing.
:bs:

 
I'm writing because I just can't deal with my father anymore. He's a 65-year-old super right-wing conservative who has basically turned into a total ####### intent on ruining our relationship and our planet with his politics. ...

Dear Son of A Right-Winger,

Go back and read the opening sentences of your letter. Read them again. ...
I was going to say the same thing, but then read the rest and it was well done.

Another interesting question is whether you have friends who have differing political views than you do. I do. I think the problem is when you know the kind of person where discussing political issues is a deal breaker if you don't agree with him/er.

 
My mom and dad retired around 2000 and moved to Florida. From that day forward, any time I'd call, or we'd visit them, Fox News would be blaring in their living room, echoing throughout the whole house. Neither of them really had much going on as far as hobbies, so they spent a lot of time absorbing the propoganda being spewed by that channel. They could not, and would not, talk about anything outside of politics. Any conversations you had with them eventually made their way into political territory. So my father dies in 2008, and I bluntly told my mother she needs to stop watching the news all day. It was killing her spirit. I think it worked pretty well. Sure, she still goes on Obama rants once in a while (not on Facebook - she's not even on the Internet really), but it's much, much better than it was.

My brother on the other hand is an all out unhinged GOP'er who frequently posts on FB links such as ones mentioned in other posts. It kills him that I vote both R & D pretty evenly, with some Libertarian (yeah the party of many a traitorous ex-Republicans) sprinkled in.

I'm positive this story above can be repeated by others, as well as those substituting Fox News with MSNBC. But in my world, the ridiculous ones are on the conservative side by a long shot.

 
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It should be no surprise to anyone that I love arguing politics- but only with people who don't get emotionally upset. If they get the least bit annoyed or angry, I stop.

I have both family members and good friends on all sides of the political gamut (at least on all American sides). I love them all.

 
Nothing is worse than people who constantly post about politics. Especially when they post crap that has already been disproven on snopes.
Interesting to me is that I have found that being disproven on snopes is irrelevant to some of the right wing crowd, as they view it as a propaganda tool of the left wing media.

 
It's a well written article, and I wish things were that way. But many people now define THEMSELVES by what they believe. Taking the author's point to an extreme, if my dad joins Al-Queda, I should still hang out with him on the weekends? Don't think so...

 
Both my father and mother-who have been divorced for years-are right wingers who religiously watch Fox News. My father does not use politics for his identity, he rarely discusses it and is generally reasonable (and typically comments along the lines that both parties are corrupt).

My mother-who I always felt was the source of any compassion/empathy towards others I might have- is a bitter, mean spirited right wing nut. I had always been very close with her growing up, and still got along generally well as an adult, until recently. She had posted a vile racist rant on Facebook so I called her and told her I was forced to "unfriend" her. Her rant in essence said "people of color" are lazy and uneducated. My son was adopted from a South American country and I took this kind of personally. I also work with a diverse population and certainly didn't need her views associated with my name, or co-workers reading it.

She predictably was angry, railed that she wasn't allowed to have her own beliefs, and hung up on me. Haven't talked to her in several weeks now.

What I found most comical about my mother's Facebook rant was that she ended it with the statement "This is NOT racist because no malice was intended"

WTF? What the hell does that mean? Racism is racism regardless of intent, and the malice was implicit in the rant. Wish I had made a copy of it but I didn't and she took it down right after I spoke with her.

It's a bizarre world.
You may be right in your world view, but in this case it doesn't "win" you anything. All you're doing is depriving yourself and your son a relationship with his grandma.
I wouldn't want to have a relationship with someone who hated me on a genetic level.

 
I think a lot if it depends on where you grew up and live. A lot of crazy-### liberals in the Bay Area who are proud to be defined by their politics.

 
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Anybody who posts politics on Facebook gets blocked. On twitter, deleted.

My dad always wants to get into arguments about politics. I tell him if he continues I'm leaving and he changes the topic.

It's all what you allow. I don't give a flying #### what anybody's political opinions are.
:goodposting:

Life is too ####### short to spend time arguing about that stuff.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
Every single day on Facebook.. As many know I vote for the person, not the party so have many friends both both sides..

Some on the VERY far right, and some on VERY far left.. I see posts from both sides daily telling me how bad one side is or the other.. The other day the Left was up in arms over the possible Walgreens corporate office move to avoid corporate taxes..

I answered with " the only way to fix this issue to to remove Politicians out of the tax game and move to a system like FairTax.. Of course :tumbleweeds:

 
Anybody who posts politics on Facebook gets blocked. On twitter, deleted.

My dad always wants to get into arguments about politics. I tell him if he continues I'm leaving and he changes the topic.

It's all what you allow. I don't give a flying #### what anybody's political opinions are.
This post reminds me of my Dad and I during the Bush era and the very beginning of the Iraq war.. He was 100% against it, no matter what and was always spewing forth left talking points... never voted for anyone other then democrats and could not understand my way of thinking.. We got into such a heated argument one day in Canada I finally said "Let's agree to disagree and not discuss politics again" and we did so..

fast forward to now.. a few years ago he got involved in Old time country western shooting clubs.. Currently owns many different rifles, pistols, etc.. and has joined the NRA.. Since he got involved with the NRA he has swung 180 degrees to the right and now votes for Republicans only.

I still avoid any politic discussions with him as it just isn't worth the possible arguments, but it just seems to be so :loco: that you could switch the way you vote based on one issue as he has done.

 
Take solace in the fact that baby boomers will start dying off soon. It will get worse before it gets better.

 
Take solace in the fact that baby boomers will start dying off soon. It will get worse before it gets better.
###holes are born every year. The baby boomers thought their generation would be the enlightened one.

That said, I think we'll be a much better country (at least on social issues) in 20 years.

 
Take solace in the fact that baby boomers will start dying off soon. It will get worse before it gets better.
###holes are born every year. The baby boomers thought their generation would be the enlightened one.

That said, I think we'll be a much better country (at least on social issues) in 20 years.
The #######s being born now will be subject to greater social pressure, should they choose the path of prejudice.

 
A little off topic, but I'm sure we all know people who are extreme politically both right and left. Those folks who constantly forward emails with amazing "did you know" about how bad one party or official is. Or those who use facebook as a means to constantly put their ideology out there. In my own personal life, I have three people (relatives or friends) who do this. All are conservative, so I was wondering is this mainly a conservative thing because a dems in the WH, or do other folks have tons of liberals bombarding them with info they just have to know.

Just curious.
It's the opposite for me. My liberal friends are outspoken and my conservative friends are more reserved for the most part. Progressives have done a good job making conservatives feel reluctant to publicly talk about their values and beliefs out of fear of pushback and shame.
Which, of course, is funny because progressives like to think of themselves as the defenders of Free Speech. And, of course, everyone knows that is the furthest thing from the truth.

 
So this is Andrew W.K. giving out advice on his ask Andrew W.K. blog and I thought it may spark some conversation here with how he handled this.

The world isn't being destroyed by democrats or republicans, red or blue, liberal or conservative, religious or atheist -- the world is being destroyed by one side believing the other side is destroying the world.
On the whole, Mr. W.K.'s answer was simultaneously melodramatic and boring, and was way too long. But that one sentence is right on.

If the whole answer had consisted of only that one sentence, it would have been perfect.

 
So this is Andrew W.K. giving out advice on his ask Andrew W.K. blog and I thought it may spark some conversation here with how he handled this.

The world isn't being destroyed by democrats or republicans, red or blue, liberal or conservative, religious or atheist -- the world is being destroyed by one side believing the other side is destroying the world.
On the whole, Mr. W.K.'s answer was simultaneously melodramatic and boring, and was way too long. But that one sentence is right on.

If the whole answer had consisted of only that one sentence, it would have been perfect.
I took a little more away from his reply but agree that was spot on.

 

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