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*trade between HOU and NYJ...HOU gets #1 (4th) and 3rd round (71) and ABRAHAM plus a 2nd rounder next year...NYJ gets #1 (1)

*trade between CLE and MIA...CLE gets MIA #1 (16) and 3rd round (82) plus a 5th round next year...MIA gets CLE #1 (12)

1-*NEW YORK JETS select M.LEINART-QB

2-NEW ORLEANS selects V.YOUNG-QB

3-TENNESSEE selects R.BUSH-RB

4-*HOUSTON selects D.FERGUSON-OT

5-GREEN BAY selects M.WILLIAMS-DE

6-SAN FRANCISCO selects A.J. HAWK-OLB

7-OAKLAND selects NGATA-DT

8-BUFFALO selects V.DAVIS-TE

9-DETROIT selects GREENWAY-OLB

10-ARIZONA selects DE.WILLIAMS-RB

11-ST.LOUIS selects HUFF-SS

12-*MIAMI selects CUTLER-QB

13-BALTIMORE selects HALI-DE

14-PHILADELPHIA selects L.WHITE-RB

15-ATLANTA selects M.LAWSON-DE

16-*CLEVELAND selects W.JUSTICE-OT

17-MINNESOTA selects KIWANUKA-DE

18-DALLAS selects J.WILLIAMS-CB

19-SAN DIEGO selects WATSON-DT

20-KANSAS CITY selects YOUBOTY-CB

21-NEW ENGLAND selects RYANS-OLB

22-DENVER selects C.JACKSON-WR

23-TAMPA BAY selects WINSTON-OT

24-CINCINNATI selects T.HILL-CB

25-NEW YORK GIANTS selects MCNEIL-OT

26-CHICAGO selects M.LEWIS-TE

27-CAROLINA selects GILES-OG

28-JACKSONVILLE selects POPE-TE

29-DENVER selects BUNKLEY-DT

30-INDIANAPOLIS selects MARONEY-RB

31-SEATTLE selects S.HOLMES-WR

32-PITTSBURGH selects S.MOSS-WR

my trades were worked out with the aid of the draft pick value chart...abraham was valued at 580 equal to the #1 pick in the 2nd round

ok fire away

 
*trade between HOU and NYJ...HOU gets #1 (4th) and 3rd round (71) and ABRAHAM plus a 2nd rounder next year...NYJ gets #1 (1)

*trade between CLE and MIA...CLE gets MIA #1 (16) and 3rd round (82) plus a 5th round next year...MIA gets CLE #1 (12)

1-*NEW YORK JETS select M.LEINART-QB

2-NEW ORLEANS selects V.YOUNG-QB

3-TENNESSEE selects R.BUSH-RB

4-*HOUSTON selects D.FERGUSON-OT
I think this is exactly what happens, by the way, trades and all. I will say, though, that Bush, at 3, has very high trade bait worth and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans trade down. Won't change the order of picks in the top 4, though.

 
The Jets like Cutler a lot, and I do not see them giving up that much for a #1 pick. I think Abraham will be dealt to denver for a 1st.

 
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Even a little bit of commentary is better than none. It could potentially be a good mock, but because I am forced to deduce your logic from what you have posted, I have no definitive idea what you were thinking. Certainly I can make my own conjecture, but that doesn't make it right.So, rather than being able to critique your draft and engage in debate, all I can do is pose questions and try to answer them myself.

But, here goes:

1. For the first overall pick, you have to ask yourself one question: Will Mangini and Co. be more likely to sacrifice two or three solid draft prospects for one blue-chip player (which they could arguably get one at No.4) or trade down and grab more solid draft prospects? Personally, despite what I posted in my latest little shakedown, I am leaning toward the latter. But I do agree Abraham would be an excellent pair with Travis Johnson in Houston's new 43.

2. Say Houston trades to No.4. What happens when Bush, Leinart and D'Brick go 1, 2, 3? What is Houston going to do with that No.4 pick? Take Mario Williams? Did they really trade down to No.4 to draft a DE?

3. I can pretty much go just short of outright guaranteeing you that Vince Young will never play in New Orleans. I, myself, predicted this at one point, but that was being ignorant of the fact that HC Sean Payton has classically been a pocket-passing QB Coach. Vince Young really doesn't fit the mold of QB he wants. Cutler and Leinart fit that mold.

4. I think this is the first mock I've read with Vernon Davis going to Buffalo. I can't say I disagree with it, simply becuase I haven't explored this option yet. However, I'd like to understand your logic in why the Bills would pass on Winston Justice. Now that they've released Mike Williams, there is certainly a HUGE need at OT. You can argue that they benched him, but that doesn't change the fact that they have lost a blue-chip talent at Tackle, and have replaced him with marginal talent at best. The Bills are a prime example of why you can't win, despite all of the skill players in the world, without a good offensive line. The Texans are finding this out, and I believe the Bills have already known this and will make it a point to address it in the draft. I believed they would before the release of Mike Williams, but his departure seems to me to make it all the more certain. Please explain why the Bills would pass over Justice.

5. Detroit's selection of Chad Greenway at No.9 is also divergent from every other mock I've read. The Lions already have their young starters in Boss Bailey and Teddy Lehman at OLB. Drafting a prolific cover-all blitzkrieger like Greenway and sticking him at MLB or forcing over two perfectly fit incumbents makes no sense at all. Please defend your selection. There is a much more clear need at safety, and, IMO on the defensive line at DE. I think a Tamba Hali would go much better here because the Tampa-2 that will be installed in Detroit relies on speedy, undersized defensive linemen making plays up front to free up the linebackers and safeties and take pressure off of the cornerbacks. Drafting a Linebacker who would debatably upgrade the strongest position on defense is silly to me.

6. Please justify why Miami, where HC Nick Saban explicitly has iterated his distate for trading up for any player, and is much more inclined to stay put in the draft, would trade UP to grab Jay Cutler. Not only trade up for him, but leapfrog three teams that will not be taking a QB in the first place. For that matter, after Arizona at 10, the next team that would even have Cutler on their list is Dallas at 18, and being that this is Parcells' last year, Jerry Jones isn't going to give him a rookie QB to help him win a championship. So there is no threat to Miami's insurance of Jay Cutler at 16 to warrant a trade.

7. LenDale White to Philadelphia is a very interesting pick. While I can't say whether I'd agree or disagree to his ability to mesh with Brian Westbrook (I think they'd make a hell of a one-two punch), passing on Winston Justice here would be incredible. The Eagles need to replace Jon Runyan, and Tra Thomas is slowing down, and likely won't be an Eagle past 2006. While they have some young guys they've drafted, they are all Day 2 players and at most, one of them is likely to develop into an adequate starter. The Eagles need a pro-bowl caliber tackle to replace the talent they've had there, because they can't afford to risk further injury to McNabb / Westbrook. (At that, I don't think Philadelphia will stay in this spot on draft day anyway, but that's not relevant here).

8. Minnesota's selection of Mathias Kiwanuka is downright silly. They've got Kenechi Udeze, Erasmus James and Kevin Williams (who has since moved to DT). They spent three consecutive first-round picks on DEs. There's a 0% chance they spend a 4th. They are absolutely loaded.

9. San Diego's selection of Gabe Watson also is a foolish pick. NT Jamal Williams just made the pro bowl, and he's in the prime of his career. You don't spend the 19th overall pick on a non-critical positional player who will ride the pine for at least four years.

10. I don't believe Jean-Gilles is a good fit at all in Carolina. I could be wrong, but that is just my personal opinion.

Overall, this mock really needs some analysis to explain some of the less conventional picks. Not bad for a first try, and I'm glad it's at least somewhat different.

Please make a better effort to research your picks rather than just placing certain players in certain places because it seems like a superficially neat fit (Kiwanuka to Minnesota, e.g.)

Hope this helps in your quest for the perfect mock :D

 
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One trade possiblity that I have not seen mentioned is SF/DET.

If Mario Williams is on the board at #6, I could see DET moving up to take him, and SF still getting Vernon Davis at #9.

 
Well I see him going between the 14th and 18th pick. And he would be great for the eagles. A west coast offence with a great receiving back and a big back...sounds good.

Edit: I'm talking about LenDale White. I meant to quote Foosball God.

 
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If Chad Jackson is there at 21, I don't see how teh Pats pass on him especially if they lose Givens.

I doubt Belichick drafts a LB in the first round.

 
One trade possiblity that I have not seen mentioned is SF/DET.

If Mario Williams is on the board at #6, I could see DET moving up to take him, and SF still getting Vernon Davis at #9.
:goodposting: Can you perhaps validate this beyond any pure speculation? Because it does make a lot of sense.

 
One trade possiblity that I have not seen mentioned is SF/DET.

If Mario Williams is on the board at #6, I could see DET moving up to take him, and SF still getting Vernon Davis at #9.
:goodposting: Can you perhaps validate this beyond any pure speculation? Because it does make a lot of sense.
Nope, pure speculation on my part. No validation whatsoever.I think this makes alot of sense if Cutler, for example, jumps into the top 5. This allows Det to take Mario, Oak to take Hawk, Buf to take Ngoti, and SF to get Davis. All four teams fill a huge need and get a blue chipper.

 
not that i do not agree with you that the eagles won't look rb in the 1st round, but they drafted andrews #1 in 04 and he could take over at RT for Runyan. also,  herrimans was solid at LT in thomas'absence so.....
I was under the impression after Andrews was drafted he was moved to Guard to play Guard, not to fill in at Guard while Runyan and Thomas depart. I could be wrong, but I am not studied enough up on the Philadelphia offensive line to know better.I know that in cases like Tampa Bay, Sean Mahan played Guard last year to fill a need, and he is expected to move back to Center. Andrews, I believe was moved to Guard permanently because it better suits his skill set on the NFL level.

Nope, pure speculation on my part. No validation whatsoever.

I think this makes alot of sense if Cutler, for example, jumps into the top 5. This allows Det to take Mario, Oak to take Hawk, Buf to take Ngoti, and SF to get Davis. All four teams fill a huge need and get a blue chipper.
Still makes a lot of sense. There has to be legs to this somewhere.... wish we had the damn answer sheet.
 
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8. Minnesota's selection of Mathias Kiwanuka is downright silly. They've got Kenechi Udeze, Erasmus James and Kevin Williams (who has since moved to DT). They spent three consecutive first-round picks on DEs. There's a 0% chance they spend a 4th. They are absolutely loaded.
:goodposting: While I've heard there remains some question as to Udeze's health I do not see the Vikes using a 3rd consecutive pick on DE. They remain high on Darion Scott and could offer a contract to Lance Johnstone if they fear Udeze's health. I look for OL/LB in the 1st.

 
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Even a little bit of commentary is better than none. It could potentially be a good mock, but because I am forced to deduce your logic from what you have posted, I have no definitive idea what you were thinking. Certainly I can make my own conjecture, but that doesn't make it right.So, rather than being able to critique your draft and engage in debate, all I can do is pose questions and try to answer them myself.

But, here goes:

1. For the first overall pick, you have to ask yourself one question: Will Mangini and Co. be more likely to sacrifice two or three solid draft prospects for one blue-chip player (which they could arguably get one at No.4) or trade down and grab more solid draft prospects? Personally, despite what I posted in my latest little shakedown, I am leaning toward the latter. But I do agree Abraham would be an excellent pair with Travis Johnson in Houston's new 43.

i always try to make trades as realistic as possible and this is what it would take for the JETS to move up, just my opinion

2. Say Houston trades to No.4. What happens when Bush, Leinart and D'Brick go 1, 2, 3? What is Houston going to do with that No.4 pick? Take Mario Williams? Did they really trade down to No.4 to draft a DE?

i'm sure HOU would hate that senerio the fans would want YOUNG but, he is at least 2 years away from playing in the NFL and they signed CARR for 3 more years

3. I can pretty much go just short of outright guaranteeing you that Vince Young will never play in New Orleans. I, myself, predicted this at one point, but that was being ignorant of the fact that HC Sean Payton has classically been a pocket-passing QB Coach. Vince Young really doesn't fit the mold of QB he wants. Cutler and Leinart fit that mold.

this pick is strickly to put butts, in the seats, you are probably right about PAYTON wanting a drop back passer but, does he have final say? i think the rebuilding of NEW ORLEANS (the city not the team) starts with this pick if the above trade would go down

4. I think this is the first mock I've read with Vernon Davis going to Buffalo. I can't say I disagree with it, simply becuase I haven't explored this option yet. However, I'd like to understand your logic in why the Bills would pass on Winston Justice. Now that they've released Mike Williams, there is certainly a HUGE need at OT. You can argue that they benched him, but that doesn't change the fact that they have lost a blue-chip talent at Tackle, and have replaced him with marginal talent at best. The Bills are a prime example of why you can't win, despite all of the skill players in the world, without a good offensive line. The Texans are finding this out, and I believe the Bills have already known this and will make it a point to address it in the draft. I believed they would before the release of Mike Williams, but his departure seems to me to make it all the more certain. Please explain why the Bills would pass over Justice.

the QB'S best friend can be the dump off pass but, there current offense does not have a player that fits that mold, so why not take V.DAVIS to help LOSMAN...besides i don't feel there is an OT worth the #8 spot, if they want W.JUSTICE they can trade down to 11-12 area, imo he is a reach at #8

5. Detroit's selection of Chad Greenway at No.9 is also divergent from every other mock I've read. The Lions already have their young starters in Boss Bailey and Teddy Lehman at OLB. Drafting a prolific cover-all blitzkrieger like Greenway and sticking him at MLB or forcing over two perfectly fit incumbents makes no sense at all. Please defend your selection. There is a much more clear need at safety, and, IMO on the defensive line at DE. I think a Tamba Hali would go much better here because the Tampa-2 that will be installed in Detroit relies on speedy, undersized defensive linemen making plays up front to free up the linebackers and safeties and take pressure off of the cornerbacks. Drafting a Linebacker who would debatably upgrade the strongest position on defense is silly to me.

granted this one was not well thought out, i was trying not to give them CUTLER like every other mock i've read

6. Please justify why Miami, where HC Nick Saban explicitly has iterated his distate for trading up for any player, and is much more inclined to stay put in the draft, would trade UP to grab Jay Cutler. Not only trade up for him, but leapfrog three teams that will not be taking a QB in the first place. For that matter, after Arizona at 10, the next team that would even have Cutler on their list is Dallas at 18, and being that this is Parcells' last year, Jerry Jones isn't going to give him a rookie QB to help him win a championship. So there is no threat to Miami's insurance of Jay Cutler at 16 to warrant a trade.

i thought BAL at #13 would be interested in CUTLER so i had MIA trade over them

7. LenDale White to Philadelphia is a very interesting pick. While I can't say whether I'd agree or disagree to his ability to mesh with Brian Westbrook (I think they'd make a hell of a one-two punch), passing on Winston Justice here would be incredible. The Eagles need to replace Jon Runyan, and Tra Thomas is slowing down, and likely won't be an Eagle past 2006. While they have some young guys they've drafted, they are all Day 2 players and at most, one of them is likely to develop into an adequate starter. The Eagles need a pro-bowl caliber tackle to replace the talent they've had there, because they can't afford to risk further injury to McNabb / Westbrook. (At that, I don't think Philadelphia will stay in this spot on draft day anyway, but that's not relevant here).

OT is without a doubt an area of need but, i think this draft has OT talent into the 3rd round, or free agents, i just think the 1-2 punch as you put it is too good to pass up

8. Minnesota's selection of Mathias Kiwanuka is downright silly. They've got Kenechi Udeze, Erasmus James and Kevin Williams (who has since moved to DT). They spent three consecutive first-round picks on DEs. There's a 0% chance they spend a 4th. They are absolutely loaded.

ok i did not have a roster in front of me and i'm not familar with MIN team, so you are correct here but, is how you learn from your mocks constructive critism thank you

9. San Diego's selection of Gabe Watson also is a foolish pick. NT Jamal Williams just made the pro bowl, and he's in the prime of his career. You don't spend the 19th overall pick on a non-critical positional player who will ride the pine for at least four years.

i'll give you this one also, my thought was if SD is going to win there division they need to stop LJ that whole division does and i had DEN taking a DT also but, you are right about J.WILLIAMS

10. I don't believe Jean-Gilles is a good fit at all in Carolina. I could be wrong, but that is just my personal opinion.

i think they go OT/OG he was the best of the rest IMO

Overall, this mock really needs some analysis to explain some of the less conventional picks. Not bad for a first try, and I'm glad it's at least somewhat different.

Please make a better effort to research your picks rather than just placing certain players in certain places because it seems like a superficially neat fit (Kiwanuka to Minnesota, e.g.)

Hope this helps in your quest for the perfect mock :D
MLB thanks for your input it really helps
 
I doubt that the Vikes will take a DE in the draft, much less the 1st round.

2003-1-9 DT Kevin Williams

2004-1-20 DE Kenechi Udeze

2005-1-18 DE Erasmus James

 
Yeah the Vikes will not pick a defensive lineman

We should have top 5-10 DLine in the league this year, with our new coaching staff

Erasmus and Kenechi at the ends

Pat and Kevin Williams in the middle

Darrion Scott and Lance backing up the ends

CJ Mosley and Spencer Johnson backing up Wiliamsx2

I love our line, if anything maybe an edge rusher to replace Johnstone, but that wouldnt be til late.

WE NEED LBS, i wouldnt be surprised if we have 3 new starters at LB, our needs go:

1.SLB

2.WLB

3.MLB

4.SS

5.RB(my prediction for our first rounder(L.White))

 
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I'll echo some of the others ...

- Vikings unlikely to take a DE

- Eagles pick makes sense but their tendency seems to be to build their lines

I can't see the Bills taking a TE when they still aren't sure what they have in their pick from last year, Kevin Everett.

I agree that Saban is unlikely to move up. However if Cutler is still there at #9, I could see him try to swing a deal with the Lions and leapfrog Arizona at #10.

Oakland has me stumped but I don't think Ngata is the answer for them. Unfortunately for the Raiders, I think your GB and SF picks are dead on and Williams and Hawk will be gone.

I like quite a few of your picks in the latter portion of the draft (#20-26). I really like Chad Jackson to DEN.

Nice first attempt.

 
Oakland has me stumped but I don't think Ngata is the answer for them. Unfortunately for the Raiders, I think your GB and SF picks are dead on and Williams and Hawk will be gone.
I agree completely. Oakland has me stumped at 7. The scary thing is that I think the rest of the Raider organization *could* convince Al to take Williams or Hawk if he is there. However with both likely going in the prior picks, I think Oakland could end up taking Vernon Davis.There is no way that a TE with those capabilities, and that 40 time isn't going to get the attention of Al.

 
WE NEED LBS, i wouldnt be surprised if we have 3 new starters at LB, our needs go:

1.SLB

2.WLB

3.MLB

4.SS

5.RB(my prediction for our first rounder(L.White))
*edited for clarityI don't believe LB is such a glaring need as people would have you believe. Considering the injuries to the DL last year, the LBs were really in a tough spot. New coach, new year, new defensive philosophy (tampa-2), have to believe they'd be more susceptible to giving these guys another chance, since they are all young guys.

I could be wrong, but don't overlook the fact that your two projected starting DEs were on IR most of the year.

 
Buffalo got Everett last year, I don't see them drafting a TE. OL or OL or maybe an offensive lineman.

 
5. Detroit's selection of Chad Greenway at No.9 is also divergent from every other mock I've read. The Lions already have their young starters in Boss Bailey and Teddy Lehman at OLB. Drafting a prolific cover-all blitzkrieger like Greenway and sticking him at MLB or forcing over two perfectly fit incumbents makes no sense at all. Please defend your selection. There is a much more clear need at safety, and, IMO on the defensive line at DE. I think a Tamba Hali would go much better here because the Tampa-2 that will be installed in Detroit relies on speedy, undersized defensive linemen making plays up front to free up the linebackers and safeties and take pressure off of the cornerbacks. Drafting a Linebacker who would debatably upgrade the strongest position on defense is silly to me.
Lehman was supposed to be a MLB, and IMO would be much more comfortable back in that position.
 
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Even a little bit of commentary is better than none. It could potentially be a good mock, but because I am forced to deduce your logic from what you have posted, I have no definitive idea what you were thinking. Certainly I can make my own conjecture, but that doesn't make it right.So, rather than being able to critique your draft and engage in debate, all I can do is pose questions and try to answer them myself.

But, here goes:

1. For the first overall pick, you have to ask yourself one question: Will Mangini and Co. be more likely to sacrifice two or three solid draft prospects for one blue-chip player (which they could arguably get one at No.4) or trade down and grab more solid draft prospects? Personally, despite what I posted in my latest little shakedown, I am leaning toward the latter. But I do agree Abraham would be an excellent pair with Travis Johnson in Houston's new 43.

2. Say Houston trades to No.4. What happens when Bush, Leinart and D'Brick go 1, 2, 3? What is Houston going to do with that No.4 pick? Take Mario Williams? Did they really trade down to No.4 to draft a DE?

3. I can pretty much go just short of outright guaranteeing you that Vince Young will never play in New Orleans. I, myself, predicted this at one point, but that was being ignorant of the fact that HC Sean Payton has classically been a pocket-passing QB Coach. Vince Young really doesn't fit the mold of QB he wants. Cutler and Leinart fit that mold.

4. I think this is the first mock I've read with Vernon Davis going to Buffalo. I can't say I disagree with it, simply becuase I haven't explored this option yet. However, I'd like to understand your logic in why the Bills would pass on Winston Justice. Now that they've released Mike Williams, there is certainly a HUGE need at OT. You can argue that they benched him, but that doesn't change the fact that they have lost a blue-chip talent at Tackle, and have replaced him with marginal talent at best. The Bills are a prime example of why you can't win, despite all of the skill players in the world, without a good offensive line. The Texans are finding this out, and I believe the Bills have already known this and will make it a point to address it in the draft. I believed they would before the release of Mike Williams, but his departure seems to me to make it all the more certain. Please explain why the Bills would pass over Justice.

5. Detroit's selection of Chad Greenway at No.9 is also divergent from every other mock I've read. The Lions already have their young starters in Boss Bailey and Teddy Lehman at OLB. Drafting a prolific cover-all blitzkrieger like Greenway and sticking him at MLB or forcing over two perfectly fit incumbents makes no sense at all. Please defend your selection. There is a much more clear need at safety, and, IMO on the defensive line at DE. I think a Tamba Hali would go much better here because the Tampa-2 that will be installed in Detroit relies on speedy, undersized defensive linemen making plays up front to free up the linebackers and safeties and take pressure off of the cornerbacks. Drafting a Linebacker who would debatably upgrade the strongest position on defense is silly to me.

6. Please justify why Miami, where HC Nick Saban explicitly has iterated his distate for trading up for any player, and is much more inclined to stay put in the draft, would trade UP to grab Jay Cutler. Not only trade up for him, but leapfrog three teams that will not be taking a QB in the first place. For that matter, after Arizona at 10, the next team that would even have Cutler on their list is Dallas at 18, and being that this is Parcells' last year, Jerry Jones isn't going to give him a rookie QB to help him win a championship. So there is no threat to Miami's insurance of Jay Cutler at 16 to warrant a trade.

7. LenDale White to Philadelphia is a very interesting pick. While I can't say whether I'd agree or disagree to his ability to mesh with Brian Westbrook (I think they'd make a hell of a one-two punch), passing on Winston Justice here would be incredible. The Eagles need to replace Jon Runyan, and Tra Thomas is slowing down, and likely won't be an Eagle past 2006. While they have some young guys they've drafted, they are all Day 2 players and at most, one of them is likely to develop into an adequate starter. The Eagles need a pro-bowl caliber tackle to replace the talent they've had there, because they can't afford to risk further injury to McNabb / Westbrook. (At that, I don't think Philadelphia will stay in this spot on draft day anyway, but that's not relevant here).

8. Minnesota's selection of Mathias Kiwanuka is downright silly. They've got Kenechi Udeze, Erasmus James and Kevin Williams (who has since moved to DT). They spent three consecutive first-round picks on DEs. There's a 0% chance they spend a 4th. They are absolutely loaded.

9. San Diego's selection of Gabe Watson also is a foolish pick. NT Jamal Williams just made the pro bowl, and he's in the prime of his career. You don't spend the 19th overall pick on a non-critical positional player who will ride the pine for at least four years.

10. I don't believe Jean-Gilles is a good fit at all in Carolina. I could be wrong, but that is just my personal opinion.

Overall, this mock really needs some analysis to explain some of the less conventional picks. Not bad for a first try, and I'm glad it's at least somewhat different.

Please make a better effort to research your picks rather than just placing certain players in certain places because it seems like a superficially neat fit (Kiwanuka to Minnesota, e.g.)

Hope this helps in your quest for the perfect mock :D
I'd say Houston trades with Tenn..then Leinhart goes to the Titans at #1, Jets are going after Ramsey, so they sit tight at #4..N.O might take Young, so that leaves Houston with Bush or Brick at #3 plus what ever else they get from Tenn in a trade. Jets get either Bush or Brick at #4..

seems like a perfect plan!

Tenn is definitely going to get leinhart or bush, imo..

 
I think Philly has too many other holes to pick a RB here. I think DE/OL/WR is a much more likely pick here.
I dont think they will pick a WR. They dont want to draft an other WR2. They'll wait one more year hoping there will be better WRs next year.
 
I think Philly has too many other holes to pick a RB here.  I think DE/OL/WR is a much more likely pick here.
I dont think they will pick a WR. They dont want to draft an other WR2. They'll wait one more year hoping there will be better WRs next year.
I agree. I see DE or OL at this pick unless a highly graded LB drops that they weren't expecting to be there. I think the % right now are 60% chance they take DE, 30% OL, and 10% other position.
 
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Even a little bit of commentary is better than none. It could potentially be a good mock, but because I am forced to deduce your logic from what you have posted, I have no definitive idea what you were thinking. Certainly I can make my own conjecture, but that doesn't make it right.So, rather than being able to critique your draft and engage in debate, all I can do is pose questions and try to answer them myself.

But, here goes:

1. For the first overall pick, you have to ask yourself one question: Will Mangini and Co. be more likely to sacrifice two or three solid draft prospects for one blue-chip player (which they could arguably get one at No.4) or trade down and grab more solid draft prospects? Personally, despite what I posted in my latest little shakedown, I am leaning toward the latter. But I do agree Abraham would be an excellent pair with Travis Johnson in Houston's new 43.

2. Say Houston trades to No.4. What happens when Bush, Leinart and D'Brick go 1, 2, 3? What is Houston going to do with that No.4 pick? Take Mario Williams? Did they really trade down to No.4 to draft a DE?

3. I can pretty much go just short of outright guaranteeing you that Vince Young will never play in New Orleans. I, myself, predicted this at one point, but that was being ignorant of the fact that HC Sean Payton has classically been a pocket-passing QB Coach. Vince Young really doesn't fit the mold of QB he wants. Cutler and Leinart fit that mold.

4. I think this is the first mock I've read with Vernon Davis going to Buffalo. I can't say I disagree with it, simply becuase I haven't explored this option yet. However, I'd like to understand your logic in why the Bills would pass on Winston Justice. Now that they've released Mike Williams, there is certainly a HUGE need at OT. You can argue that they benched him, but that doesn't change the fact that they have lost a blue-chip talent at Tackle, and have replaced him with marginal talent at best. The Bills are a prime example of why you can't win, despite all of the skill players in the world, without a good offensive line. The Texans are finding this out, and I believe the Bills have already known this and will make it a point to address it in the draft. I believed they would before the release of Mike Williams, but his departure seems to me to make it all the more certain. Please explain why the Bills would pass over Justice.

5. Detroit's selection of Chad Greenway at No.9 is also divergent from every other mock I've read. The Lions already have their young starters in Boss Bailey and Teddy Lehman at OLB. Drafting a prolific cover-all blitzkrieger like Greenway and sticking him at MLB or forcing over two perfectly fit incumbents makes no sense at all. Please defend your selection. There is a much more clear need at safety, and, IMO on the defensive line at DE. I think a Tamba Hali would go much better here because the Tampa-2 that will be installed in Detroit relies on speedy, undersized defensive linemen making plays up front to free up the linebackers and safeties and take pressure off of the cornerbacks. Drafting a Linebacker who would debatably upgrade the strongest position on defense is silly to me.

6. Please justify why Miami, where HC Nick Saban explicitly has iterated his distate for trading up for any player, and is much more inclined to stay put in the draft, would trade UP to grab Jay Cutler. Not only trade up for him, but leapfrog three teams that will not be taking a QB in the first place. For that matter, after Arizona at 10, the next team that would even have Cutler on their list is Dallas at 18, and being that this is Parcells' last year, Jerry Jones isn't going to give him a rookie QB to help him win a championship. So there is no threat to Miami's insurance of Jay Cutler at 16 to warrant a trade.

7. LenDale White to Philadelphia is a very interesting pick. While I can't say whether I'd agree or disagree to his ability to mesh with Brian Westbrook (I think they'd make a hell of a one-two punch), passing on Winston Justice here would be incredible. The Eagles need to replace Jon Runyan, and Tra Thomas is slowing down, and likely won't be an Eagle past 2006. While they have some young guys they've drafted, they are all Day 2 players and at most, one of them is likely to develop into an adequate starter. The Eagles need a pro-bowl caliber tackle to replace the talent they've had there, because they can't afford to risk further injury to McNabb / Westbrook. (At that, I don't think Philadelphia will stay in this spot on draft day anyway, but that's not relevant here).

8. Minnesota's selection of Mathias Kiwanuka is downright silly. They've got Kenechi Udeze, Erasmus James and Kevin Williams (who has since moved to DT). They spent three consecutive first-round picks on DEs. There's a 0% chance they spend a 4th. They are absolutely loaded.

9. San Diego's selection of Gabe Watson also is a foolish pick. NT Jamal Williams just made the pro bowl, and he's in the prime of his career. You don't spend the 19th overall pick on a non-critical positional player who will ride the pine for at least four years.

10. I don't believe Jean-Gilles is a good fit at all in Carolina. I could be wrong, but that is just my personal opinion.

Overall, this mock really needs some analysis to explain some of the less conventional picks. Not bad for a first try, and I'm glad it's at least somewhat different.

Please make a better effort to research your picks rather than just placing certain players in certain places because it seems like a superficially neat fit (Kiwanuka to Minnesota, e.g.)

Hope this helps in your quest for the perfect mock :D
I'd say Houston trades with Tenn..then Leinhart goes to the Titans at #1, Jets are going after Ramsey, so they sit tight at #4..N.O might take Young, so that leaves Houston with Bush or Brick at #3 plus what ever else they get from Tenn in a trade. Jets get either Bush or Brick at #4..

seems like a perfect plan!

Tenn is definitely going to get leinhart or bush, imo..
LeinartTennessee isnt trading up to get Leinart. Rebuilding teams with cap problems who already are missing first day picks AND can get a QB that they are very familiar with in Jay Culter OR Vince Young dont trade up to get a QB like Leinart.

 
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Tennessee isnt trading up to get Leinart. Rebuilding teams with cap problems who already are missing first day picks AND can get a QB that they are very familiar with in Jay Culter OR Vince Young dont trade up to get a QB like Leinart.
Agreed.I think their draft chart looks like this:

1) Leinart

2) Bush

3) Ferguson

don't see them moving anywhere....

 
I'd say Houston trades with Tenn..then Leinhart goes to the Titans at #1, Jets are going after Ramsey, so they sit tight at #4..

N.O might take Young, so that leaves Houston with Bush or Brick at #3 plus what ever else they get from Tenn in a trade. Jets get either Bush or Brick at #4..

seems like a perfect plan!

Tenn is definitely going to get leinhart or bush, imo..
It is highly unlikely that TEN trades up in the first round. If as rumoured they are cutting Brad Hopkins (assuming he does not retire) they have a glaring need at Tackle. They also have a center that will test FA and a guard that needs restructuring. They need OL in the worst way. If Bush is there at #3 they trade down, if Young or Leinart are there they might be tempted but will probably trade down, if they can find a partner.
 
Oakland has me stumped but I don't think Ngata is the answer for them.  Unfortunately for the Raiders, I think your GB and SF picks are dead on and Williams and Hawk will be gone.
I agree completely. Oakland has me stumped at 7. The scary thing is that I think the rest of the Raider organization *could* convince Al to take Williams or Hawk if he is there. However with both likely going in the prior picks, I think Oakland could end up taking Vernon Davis.There is no way that a TE with those capabilities, and that 40 time isn't going to get the attention of Al.
With the numbers Williams put up at the Combine, Oakland should be praying that he is still available. If the Pack doesn't take him there is an outside shot because SF doesn't have a huge need at DE.Vernon Davis isn't at the top of my personal list of picks for the Raiders but they could do a lot worse. Oakland doesn't tend to trade up or down a lot (although they did make a decent move selling Jolley off to the Jets last year), so I see them sitting tight at #7 and taking the top guy on their board.

Collins is not the answer ... period. If Young drops or Cutler is still around at #7 they could go QB. One can hope.

 

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