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Danny Clark - you didn't fall for Foley's fluke year, so why Clark's? Jay Foreman will be the most productive LB on that team.
I agree. If Morrison takes PT from anyone, its Foreman, not Clark IMHO ...Danny Clark - you didn't fall for Foley's fluke year, so why Clark's? Jay Foreman will be the most productive LB on that team.I have had no luck finding any information on the Raider D so far this off-season. According to Ourlads Foreman is 3rd on the depth chart. I have a hard time seeing how he could be their most productive LB.
Both of the sites I use for depth chart info have Foreman listed as a third string LB, but so is Morrison. They both show the Oakland D as a 4-3 too. I think this is incorrect. I think Oakland will use the 3-4 much more often, and even though Williams is an Al Davis favorite, I see him as the odd man out. Oakland tried to use the 3-4 last year, but just didn't have the personnel for it. Getting Foreman is supposed to address that situation, I think. I doubt Foreman would have signed with Oakland unless he had some assurances that he'd be starting. However, until that situation becomes resolved, Clark is where he should be for the time being. Dog, I hadn't planned on it, but maybe I will post my rankings on the other IDP positions. They are still in a state of scribblings at this point however. I have a good idea of how I will rank them, but it's not massaged enough to post yet.Danny Clark - you didn't fall for Foley's fluke year, so why Clark's? Jay Foreman will be the most productive LB on that team.I have had no luck finding any information on the Raider D so far this off-season. According to Ourlads Foreman is 3rd on the depth chart. I have a hard time seeing how he could be their most productive LB.
Pro Football Weekly ~ The Way We Hear It The Texans have two new starters at inside linebacker: Kailee Wong and former Dolphins WLB Morlon Greenwood. They replace Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman, who were released. Texans LB coach Tom Olivadotti, while making it clear he wasn’t criticizing Sharper or Foreman, is excited about what the new starters can do. “I think we can make more plays on the ball with the guys we have,” said Olivadotti. While Greenwood was listed as an outside linebacker in Miami, Olivadotti said he played behind the line as an inside ’backer. The 6-foot, 238-pound Greenwood plays with “good leverage, even for a shorter guy,” said Olivadotti. Wong, who played some middle linebacker in Minnesota, moves back inside after three years outside. Olivadotti likes Wong’s zone-coverage ability and believes it will be an asset to a LB corps that has sometimes struggled in that area.I did mean to include Wong..... i just am not sure if he will actually end up on the inside at Houston. If he does, he's in there in the late 20's somewhere. I think Greenwood will be the playmaker of the two though.
Well, at least one Shark got on my case for talking about this "too much", but here goes again. First, I have a good friend who is a die hard Texans homer, who feels this isn't all in concrete yet. I know Wong has been named the D captain, but there is still some chance he could play on the outside. It isn't so much that either Moreno or Evans can outplay Wong in the middle, it has more to do with the ROLB position. From the Texans' site:Under the radarPro Football Weekly ~ The Way We Hear It The Texans have two new starters at inside linebacker: Kailee Wong and former Dolphins WLB Morlon Greenwood. They replace Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman, who were released. Texans LB coach Tom Olivadotti, while making it clear he wasn’t criticizing Sharper or Foreman, is excited about what the new starters can do. “I think we can make more plays on the ball with the guys we have,” said Olivadotti. While Greenwood was listed as an outside linebacker in Miami, Olivadotti said he played behind the line as an inside ’backer. The 6-foot, 238-pound Greenwood plays with “good leverage, even for a shorter guy,” said Olivadotti. Wong, who played some middle linebacker in Minnesota, moves back inside after three years outside. Olivadotti likes Wong’s zone-coverage ability and believes it will be an asset to a LB corps that has sometimes struggled in that area.I did mean to include Wong..... i just am not sure if he will actually end up on the inside at Houston. If he does, he's in there in the late 20's somewhere. I think Greenwood will be the playmaker of the two though.
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Note: Kailee Wong has been named one of the Texans team captains and LB coach Tom Olivadotti has also stated that he will be a 3 down linebacker for the Texans in 2005.
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I've already had drafts in two of my IDP leagues. I didn't have the luxury of letting the pre-season answer those questions.I have my reasons for questioning where Wong plays, even if others don't agree.The preseason should answer those questions, but I still have Wong on the side notes of my rankings until I get more confidence he's definitely starting on the inside.
I've had one draft myself. I went on the premise that Wong would start on the inside, but he went before some other LB's I had ranked higher, so I didn't have to worry about it much. Gun to my head, I'd put him in at 26 or 27, which is very low compared to other lists I've seen. If he starts on the inside, and stays there, he probably would be around 20 or so on my sheet. I think there are other lower risk options out there.I've already had drafts in two of my IDP leagues. I didn't have the luxury of letting the pre-season answer those questions.I have my reasons for questioning where Wong plays, even if others don't agree.The preseason should answer those questions, but I still have Wong on the side notes of my rankings until I get more confidence he's definitely starting on the inside.
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If there were games this Sunday, you'd have a point, but they don't start for several months. Sometimes during the offseason, things change.Ourlads isn't in the prognostication business. Other than the no brainers, until there is some official word or camp reports to go on or change on the team depth chart, they don't make too many guesses when a player is added, be it rookie or free agent. If you scanned up to the offensive depth chart on the Raiders page, Gannon is still listed as QB2. If you looked down a bit, you'd see Fabian Washington as CB6. And so on. The Raiders aren't posting their depth chart until the first preseason game, so technically, my guess is as good as Ourlads.According to Ourlads Foreman is 3rd on the depth chart. I have a hard time seeing how he could be their most productive LB.
So let me get this straight. Houston cuts Foreman and he is on the street for almost two months until the Raiders finally pick him up. He ends up signing a 1 year deal for the vet minimum. It looks to me that you have more faith in Foreman than the Raiders’ do. They could cut him loose at any time and would have to pay no financial penalty. At best, he shines in training camp and becomes a spot starter. I still think your reaching when you say that he will be the Raiders most productive LB.If there were games this Sunday, you'd have a point, but they don't start for several months. Sometimes during the offseason, things change.Ourlads isn't in the prognostication business. Other than the no brainers, until there is some official word or camp reports to go on or change on the team depth chart, they don't make too many guesses when a player is added, be it rookie or free agent. If you scanned up to the offensive depth chart on the Raiders page, Gannon is still listed as QB2. If you looked down a bit, you'd see Fabian Washington as CB6. And so on. The Raiders aren't posting their depth chart until the first preseason game, so technically, my guess is as good as Ourlads.According to Ourlads Foreman is 3rd on the depth chart. I have a hard time seeing how he could be their most productive LB.
Raiders | More on Foreman Signing - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 13 May 2005 07:27:06 -0700
The Santa Rosa Press Democrat reports the contract signed by LB Jay Foreman with the Oakland Raiders was a one-year deal worth roughly $540,000. Oakland defensive coordinator Rob Ryan said Foreman has the flexibility to play inside or out and the Raiders need help at both positions. Foreman might be expecting to start. When earlier asked about the possibility of signing with the Minnesota Vikings as a backup, Foreman commented, "I'm too old to be backing up."
This piqued my interest, and since the Raiders are so tight lipped, I went to .... the Raider forums. Probably the biggest homer forum I ever came across, but here is the concesus. The starting OLB's will be T Smith and Williams. In the 3-4, it will be Clark and Foreman on the inside, pretty much what I see happening too. If you thought Sapp was fat last year, he came in with a lot more wieght this year to the OTA's. Clayton said it looked like he had eaten Ted Washington! Most Raider fans think Sapp is at best, or at least should be a part time player now. Ted Washington can play nose tackle, and they have 2 DE's in Burgess and Brayton that should be able to play the 3-4, even if they arent ideally suited to it. The rookie MLB Morrison could challenge for playing time. Yeah, I see Foreman as a starter, and I think that he and Clark will have plenty of opportunities for tackles. Foreman knows the 3-4, and the Raiders just don't have the D lineman to play the 4-3 anymore, unless they think a 400 pound turd like Sapp can do it without having a cardiac. I don't think he can, and even the most rabid Raider homers don't think so either. Stuff like this generally plays itself out in the preseason, but as mentioned, some drafts are starting already. So, at this point in time, it's anyone's best guess, and this is mine.So let me get this straight. Houston cuts Foreman and he is on the street for almost two months until the Raiders finally pick him up. He ends up signing a 1 year deal for the vet minimum. It looks to me that you have more faith in Foreman than the Raiders’ do. They could cut him loose at any time and would have to pay no financial penalty. At best, he shines in training camp and becomes a spot starter. I still think your reaching when you say that he will be the Raiders most productive LB.If there were games this Sunday, you'd have a point, but they don't start for several months. Sometimes during the offseason, things change.Ourlads isn't in the prognostication business. Other than the no brainers, until there is some official word or camp reports to go on or change on the team depth chart, they don't make too many guesses when a player is added, be it rookie or free agent. If you scanned up to the offensive depth chart on the Raiders page, Gannon is still listed as QB2. If you looked down a bit, you'd see Fabian Washington as CB6. And so on. The Raiders aren't posting their depth chart until the first preseason game, so technically, my guess is as good as Ourlads.According to Ourlads Foreman is 3rd on the depth chart. I have a hard time seeing how he could be their most productive LB.
Raiders | More on Foreman Signing - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 13 May 2005 07:27:06 -0700
The Santa Rosa Press Democrat reports the contract signed by LB Jay Foreman with the Oakland Raiders was a one-year deal worth roughly $540,000. Oakland defensive coordinator Rob Ryan said Foreman has the flexibility to play inside or out and the Raiders need help at both positions. Foreman might be expecting to start. When earlier asked about the possibility of signing with the Minnesota Vikings as a backup, Foreman commented, "I'm too old to be backing up."
No doubt he could be a bust and they can cut him with no impact. I don't disagree. However, the Raiders LB corp was (is) horrible. Foreman was cut in the heat of draft prep, most teams will wait on mediocre guys or those with question marks that time of year, so I don't think the time it took him to get signed is relevant. He also was a cap cut. While he's not a standout, he is competent, but Houston wanted to shake some things up...Sharper and Glenn were sent packing too, remember. While I do think he can have a very productive year, I'm not saying he is a very good player. The two can be mutually exclusive. See Danny Clark 2004. And that's why I like Foreman's situation, b/c I think Clark was a fluke. If Morrison beats out anyone, I could see it being Clark as easily as Foreman. Other than that, there is no current threats if they favor a 3-4. If they stand pat, I like Foreman to bounce back. It's not like this guy has never proved anything or is far from being productive. He's one season removed from 3 straight 100 tackles seasons, missing it last year b/c he was injured, and is only 29.So let me get this straight. Houston cuts Foreman and he is on the street for almost two months until the Raiders finally pick him up. He ends up signing a 1 year deal for the vet minimum. It looks to me that you have more faith in Foreman than the Raiders’ do. They could cut him loose at any time and would have to pay no financial penalty. At best, he shines in training camp and becomes a spot starter. I still think your reaching when you say that he will be the Raiders most productive LB.