OK I know there is a player spotlight but surprised there isn't more talk on this guy. can he be another Matt Ryan or more like Ryan Leaf? OK probably neither but where will he fall in between? I can see a decent season NFL wise but not at all FF wise, but a solid choice for dynasty.
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Ilov80s
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Whats there to discuss? Not a good fantasy option this year. IMO, he will be a bust. He was a 1 year starter on a loaded USC team. He reminds me of every USC QB since Carson Palmer. Watch those games, there isn't anybody within 5 yards of those WRs. In the NFL, his WRs won't be able to physically dominate secondaries and get 5 yards of separation. I just don't like Sanchez.
cowboysin07
Footballguy
I's hillarious being in New York and having everyone calling him the franchise. He'll be out of the league in 4 yearsMasked Vigilante
Footballguy
Sanchez may become the better NFL starter but for fantasy purposes, Stafford is probably the guy who you should be looking at.
Cenobite
Footballguy
Unless he is surrounded by dynamic receivers he will not/never finish in the top 10 in ff. The Jets will emphasis defense and ball control. The HC Ryan will not let him air it out with any consistency. That's just the way it is. Great NFL QBs are not necessarily good FF QBs (see Aikman). The only reason Sanchez is a solid choice for dynasty is because he will be the starter for the foreseeable future and be given every opportunity to succeed.
The USC offense was NOT loaded last year. He has EVERY skill a QB needs to be successful in the NFL. The only downside is that he only started for 1 year. He has great footwork, athleticism, a quick release, and is very accurate. Scouts and coaches have been raving about his leadership. No way this guy busts.He won't be a fantasy starter this year, but there is no doubt in my mind that he will be a very good NFL QB (barring injury of course).
Ilov80s
Footballguy
USC's offense had more 5 star recruits then most conferences field.Patrick Turner 5 stars and #1 rated WR in the country out of HSRonald Johnson 5 stars and best player out of the state of MichiganDamian Williams 4 stars and All SEC Freshman team Jeff Byers was the Gatorade High School Athlete of the YearO'Dowd won every HS honor you can imagineKalil 5 star tackleGable 5 starsMcKnight 2nd best player in the nation out of HSS. Johnson 5 stars and 2nd highest rated prospect in the nation out of HS Please tell me again that the USC Trojan offense of 2008 NOT loaded.The USC offense was NOT loaded last year. He has EVERY skill a QB needs to be successful in the NFL. The only downside is that he only started for 1 year. He has great footwork, athleticism, a quick release, and is very accurate. Scouts and coaches have been raving about his leadership. No way this guy busts.He won't be a fantasy starter this year, but there is no doubt in my mind that he will be a very good NFL QB (barring injury of course).
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Maven
Footballguy
Sanchez is a bust and him being that high was unprecedented considering he only started one season in college. I caught only one game of Sanchez and it happened to be that game they lost to Oregon State. He did not impress me at all in that game. I hope he struggles. Hes a bust IMO.
Cenobite
Footballguy
Saying the guy is a bust and hoping that he struggles demonstrates that your opinion lacks objectivity. He seems like a decent guy and I hope he gets what he deserves - whatever that may be.
RC94
Footballguy
He hasn't played a single game yet and he is already a bust? Why do you hope he struggles? Why would you wish failure on someone you don't know at all?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I hope they don't throw Sanchez to the wolves right away. He needs bench time even if Clemmens struggles badly.
In dynasty the only thing keeping Stafford over Sanchez on my board is Calvin Johnson. Normally I ignore surrounding talent since it will be different in two years, but Calvin is an exception that Det won't let get away.
In dynasty the only thing keeping Stafford over Sanchez on my board is Calvin Johnson. Normally I ignore surrounding talent since it will be different in two years, but Calvin is an exception that Det won't let get away.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Did Sanchez kick your dog?
jurb26
Footballguy
Agreed, Stafford is a much better prospect. Still, I think Sanchez is in the ideal situation for a starting rookie QB. A conservative offensive scheme with a great Oline, running game (with a slew of RBs) and a great D. Really the only thing that could make it any more ideal would be an elite WR. In reality though elite WRs are far more valuable in fantasy terms than they are in real football.Stafford is pretty much looking at the exact opposite situation... yet I still like his prospects more.
two_dollars
Footballguy
I see numbers like Flacco's rookie year.
In my long-time IDP dynasty league I'm in rebuilding mode (my team got raided in UFA big time and I didn't think I had much of a chance at a league title this year anyway, so I let Eli Manning and Brandon Jacobs (among others) get gone and kept my bank of $ full). I drafted both Sanchez and Josh Freeman (Stafford was scooped one pick before me by a guy with a loaded QB roster, but he's my divisional rival and found it funny to scoop Stafford and stash him on taxi squad rather than let me build around him...
) - anyways, I had Stafford #1, Sanchez #2 and Freeman #3 on my board.I agreee that this year neither Sanchez or Freeman is likely to be a viable FF starter, but my RB squad on this team suxor so I'm willing to suffer through a bad year to build for 2010 and 2011. Next year I'll go after rookie RBs in a big way and I should be in contention for a league title by 2011 (assuming the NFL has a season that year).Wait so just because they were 5 star recruits in High School means that they were loaded? High School accolades have no bearing on this conversation.What is his game lacking? Accuracy? No. Arm strength? No. Footwork? Absolutely not. Leadership? No. Game experience is the only issue. I know you are biased and the guy could, in fact, still bust; but at this point, there is very little reason to think that he will.Take a look at any of the Jets news from camp recently. Sanchez is starting to take over...
Stafford has a slightly better arm and has more game experience, while Sanchez has better footwork, and is more accurate. Not sure that makes Stafford a "much" better prospect.
jurb26
Footballguy
USC is absolutely littered with top end college talent and will also have more NFL players drafted than 95% of the rest of the NCAA schools. Trying to downplay the supporting cast hurts your objectivity a great deal IMO.
jurb26
Footballguy
No, Sanchez is not more accurate.
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Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Collective Bargaining agreement bro.
Manster
Footballguy
agreed. USC gets the cream of the crop every year. for me, the jury is still out on Sanchez. i'll wait and see how he does in games.i'm not sure it's fair to say that "since he's from USC and they're stacked he's not gonna be good in the NFL." you cant compare him to Leinart.imo, if you are QBing USC, you must be pretty darn good. so, Sanchez has all the physical tools. will he have what it takes mentally? seems like he has a pretty level head so far.
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While you'll probably right that USC's offense was loaded, you're hurting your point bringing up their recruiting rankings from High School. They mean very little. Both Jason Smith and Aaron Curry as well as countless other 1st round picks had 2 or 3 star ratings coming out of high schoolUSC's offense had more 5 star recruits then most conferences field.Patrick Turner 5 stars and #1 rated WR in the country out of HSRonald Johnson 5 stars and best player out of the state of MichiganDamian Williams 4 stars and All SEC Freshman team Jeff Byers was the Gatorade High School Athlete of the YearO'Dowd won every HS honor you can imagineKalil 5 star tackleGable 5 starsMcKnight 2nd best player in the nation out of HSS. Johnson 5 stars and 2nd highest rated prospect in the nation out of HS Please tell me again that the USC Trojan offense of 2008 NOT loaded.The USC offense was NOT loaded last year. He has EVERY skill a QB needs to be successful in the NFL. The only downside is that he only started for 1 year. He has great footwork, athleticism, a quick release, and is very accurate. Scouts and coaches have been raving about his leadership. No way this guy busts.He won't be a fantasy starter this year, but there is no doubt in my mind that he will be a very good NFL QB (barring injury of course).
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I see Clemens starting and never looking back. Next year may be the year for Sanchez.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ofcourse there are plenty of exceptions and being a 5* recruit doesn't guarantee success at college or a trip to the NFL. Surely, there are 2* players who developed in college and made amazing NFL players.That being said, high school rankings mean a lot. What teams over the last 5 years have pulled in the most 5 and 4 star recruits? Its no coincidence that its the same schools who have been finishing in the top of the BCS every year...Florida, USC, tOSU, Texas, LSU,. Also, its not like the guys I listed suck. Turner is in the NFL. 2 or 3 members of that o-line will end up in the NFL. McKnight will get drafted next year. USC is loaded and theres no logical argument to deny that.While you'll probably right that USC's offense was loaded, you're hurting your point bringing up their recruiting rankings from High School. They mean very little. Both Jason Smith and Aaron Curry as well as countless other 1st round picks had 2 or 3 star ratings coming out of high schoolUSC's offense had more 5 star recruits then most conferences field.Patrick Turner 5 stars and #1 rated WR in the country out of HSRonald Johnson 5 stars and best player out of the state of MichiganDamian Williams 4 stars and All SEC Freshman teamJeff Byers was the Gatorade High School Athlete of the YearO'Dowd won every HS honor you can imagineKalil 5 star tackleGable 5 starsMcKnight 2nd best player in the nation out of HSS. Johnson 5 stars and 2nd highest rated prospect in the nation out of HS Please tell me again that the USC Trojan offense of 2008 NOT loaded.The USC offense was NOT loaded last year. He has EVERY skill a QB needs to be successful in the NFL. The only downside is that he only started for 1 year. He has great footwork, athleticism, a quick release, and is very accurate. Scouts and coaches have been raving about his leadership. No way this guy busts.He won't be a fantasy starter this year, but there is no doubt in my mind that he will be a very good NFL QB (barring injury of course).
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
He's not fantasy relevant this year.
I don't know if he will ever be great, but he won't be a bust imo. He has a very good skillset, is an extremely hard worker, handles the media well (which helps in NY), and is a natural leader. With those qualities, he should at least be a decent qb.
I don't know if he will ever be great, but he won't be a bust imo. He has a very good skillset, is an extremely hard worker, handles the media well (which helps in NY), and is a natural leader. With those qualities, he should at least be a decent qb.
uhCotcheryStuckeyKellerT Jonesthat enough? not exactly Fitz and Boldin but not too shabby.anyway I agree Sanchez is mostly a dynasty consideration, but in deeper leagues he is worth a look.Yes he is. Look at his completion percentage.
Yes, his supporting cast was pretty good, but you have to look at them AT THE TIME they were playing with Sanchez. Many of these guys will get drafted, but last year, the defense was the main reason for USC's success. His supporting cast, as they played last year, was not the best in the nation, and even if it was, it shouldn't detract from Sanchez's accomplishments.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Pretty sure I read Clemens is starting the first preseason game.
TLEF316
Footballguy
big Jets fan.
I don't see Sanchez being any sort of fantasy factor this year. I love his skill set (I generally like QB's that can throw on the move) but he's inexperienced and doesn't have huge weapons in the passing game. Cotchery is good, but not a true WR1. He's going to struggle a tad this year without teams rolling coverage to Coles. I like Keller and Washington a lot, and i think the other guys have upside, but its not an elite group.
Under Ryan, the jets are going to be a ball control type of team that relies on their attacking defense. Unless they stumble onto an absolute elite game breaker at WR, i don't see that changing. I have high hopes for Sanchez. If the jets can put a true WR1 out wide for him, i think he has the ability to do great things. But that player isn't there this year and Sanchez isn't going to set the fantasy world on fire with the guys that are.
Flacco numbers at absolute best (assuming he starts from day 1, which i think is 50/50 at this point) as the Jets go 8-8 or 9-7 in year 1 under Ryan.
I don't see Sanchez being any sort of fantasy factor this year. I love his skill set (I generally like QB's that can throw on the move) but he's inexperienced and doesn't have huge weapons in the passing game. Cotchery is good, but not a true WR1. He's going to struggle a tad this year without teams rolling coverage to Coles. I like Keller and Washington a lot, and i think the other guys have upside, but its not an elite group.
Under Ryan, the jets are going to be a ball control type of team that relies on their attacking defense. Unless they stumble onto an absolute elite game breaker at WR, i don't see that changing. I have high hopes for Sanchez. If the jets can put a true WR1 out wide for him, i think he has the ability to do great things. But that player isn't there this year and Sanchez isn't going to set the fantasy world on fire with the guys that are.
Flacco numbers at absolute best (assuming he starts from day 1, which i think is 50/50 at this point) as the Jets go 8-8 or 9-7 in year 1 under Ryan.
You are talking about potential, and I agree there is a ton of talent. But you have to isolate this to the one year that Sanchez played. The stats show that the offense, as they played last year, was not loaded. Let's look at the stats:
WR Total Receiving Yards (Nobody in the top 50)
52. Damian Williams 869
81. Patrick Turner 741
Receptions Per Game (Nobody in the top 80)
83. Damian Williams 4.5
Rushing (Nobody in the top 80)
82. Joe McKnight 59 Yds/game
100. Stafon Johnson 54 Yds/game
Scoring (Nobody in top 100 besides Buehler the kicker)
Sacks per Game (Not in the top 25)
27. USC 1.38
So, yes they have a ton of talent...but that talent has not been fully realized on the field. The argument has been made that Sanchez was only good because of the guys around him, yet I haven't heard the same about Stafford. If you look at Stafford's surrounding cast for the same categories listed above, you can see he had more to work with last year. He had 2 guys in the top 50 for receiving yards in Green and Massaquoi, and obviously, he had one of the countries leading RBs in Moreno. Georgia's offensive line also gave up slightly lower number of sacks per game (1.31).
If you look at the USC offense in the past, it was far better then it was under Sanchez. When Palmer ran that offense, it was unstoppable. Leinart was a great college QB. Sanchez was an average QB who came out to get paid. If he stayed, he would haven't have even been a Top 5 QB on teams draft board's next year.
Bringing up Curry (Wake Forest) or Jason Smith (Baylor) as excuses for not accepting the talent of USC. Teams like Baylor and Wake Forest don't have the ability to get blue chippers and have to develop talent.
Whoever starts, they will have a ceiling of what Flacco did last year. They will run more than the Ravens did last year.
Bringing up Curry (Wake Forest) or Jason Smith (Baylor) as excuses for not accepting the talent of USC. Teams like Baylor and Wake Forest don't have the ability to get blue chippers and have to develop talent.
Whoever starts, they will have a ceiling of what Flacco did last year. They will run more than the Ravens did last year.
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Rovers
Footballguy
Funny thread.... from Sanchez is a bust to assuming he will be the starter for the Jets this year.
No matter who is the QB for the Jets this year, he won't have any FF value, that's for sure. Clemens will start the first preseason game, Sanchez the second. Ryan hopes to pick one or the other by the 3rd preseason game. Sanchez is worth a flyer in dynasty leagues, but any conjecture beyond that is silliness.
No matter who is the QB for the Jets this year, he won't have any FF value, that's for sure. Clemens will start the first preseason game, Sanchez the second. Ryan hopes to pick one or the other by the 3rd preseason game. Sanchez is worth a flyer in dynasty leagues, but any conjecture beyond that is silliness.
Jayrod
Footballguy
He'll be a late first, early second rounder in almost every dynasty rookie draft. Worth a bit more than a "flyer".Everyone knows his real value lies somewhere in the future, but if he starts right away, he may even be rosterable this year. Rookie QB's good enough to start their first year don't grow on trees and generally turn out to be at least serviceable fantasy backups if not quality starters.
Rovers
Footballguy
LOL, OK a flyer... my definition of a flyer is a rook who has future potential to be a FF starter. Taxi squad bait in dynasty leagues. If Sanchez is good enough to start this year, it's more because Clemens sucked a root. Neither has done much in camp.... good days, bad days, nice throws, horrible piks, bad reads, taking sacks.... Sanchez rosterable this year? That woulld have to be a deeeep league.
The circumstances are completely different. Palmer and Leinart had the greatest OC in college football history orchestrating it. Sanchez, and all of the players playing with him, had different coaches than Palmer and Leinart did.I'm no SC fan, but Sanchez is going to be a very good QB in the NFL and he probably has the best overall physical tools of any of the recent SC QBs, including Palmer.
