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My off the top of my head draft grades.Best picks/steals (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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Yes. I know it's tough to judge a draft until the guys have played. But these are initial, very off the top of my head impressions. In general, I think most teams did really well filling needs with good players at the right times. Unfortunately there are some duds.

I included a "Best Pick" category for the player that I think will have most impact for the spot in which they were picked. A "Steal" is a guy that has a very real chance to make an impact and should have gone earlier than he did. These are graded by an NFL viewpoint, not Fantasy Football.

Arizona - Grade: B+

I still don't like the Brown pick, but it fills their LT need for sure.

Best pick: Branch

Steal: Patrick

1.5 - Levi Brown, OT Penn State

2.33 - Alan Branch, DT Michigan

3.69 - Buster Davis, LB Florida State

5.142 - Steve Breaston, WR Michigan

7.215 - Ben Patrick, TE Deleware

Atlanta - Grade: A-

The first three picks are :rolleyes: . Great value getting Irons & Datish as late as they did.

Best pick: Blalock

Steal: Irons & Datish

1.8 - Jamaal Anderson, DE Arkansas

2.39 - Justin Blalock, OG Texas

2.41 - Chris Houston, CB Arkansas

3.75 - Laurent Robinson, WR Illinois State

4.109 - Stephen Nicholas, LB South Florida

4.133 - Martrez Milner, TE Georgia

6.185 - Trey Lewis, DT Washburn

6.194 - David Irons, CB Auburn

6.198 - Doug Datish, C Ohio State

6.203 - Daren Stone, S Maine

7.244 - Jason Snelling, RB Virginia

Baltimore - Grade: B

Solid replacements for the questions along the line. Is Figurs worth a 2nd?

Best pick: Grubbs

Steal: Smith

1.29 - Ben Grubbs, OG Auburn

3.74 - Yamon Figurs, WR Kansas State

3.86 - Marshal Yanda, OT/OG Iowa

4.134 - Antwan Barnes, LB Florida International

4.137 - LeRon McClain, FB Alabama

5.174 - Troy Smith, QB Ohio State

6.207 - Prescott Burgess, LB Michigan

Buffalo - Grade: A

The Lynch/Poz combo is outstanding. Edwards could be the eventual starter.

Best pick: Posluszny

Steal: Wendling (but where does he play?)

1.12 - Marshawn Lynch, RB California

2.34 - Paul Posluszny, LB Penn State

3.92 - Trent Edwards, QB Stanford

4.111 - Dwayne Wright, RB Fresno State

6.184 - John Wendling, S Wyoming

7.222 - Derek Schouman, FB Boise State

7.239 - C.J. Ah You, DE Oklahoma

Carolina - Grade: A

First four picks are fantastic. Johnson will really help at DE.

Best pick: Beason (because of the trade down)

Steal: Tim Shaw

1.25 - Jon Beason, LB Miami

2.45 - Dwayne Jarrett, WR USC

2.59 - Ryan Kalil, C USC

3.83 - Charles Johnson, DE Georgia

4.118 - Ryne Robinson, WR Miami (OH)

5.155 - Dante Rosario, TE Oregon

5.164 - Tim Shaw, LB Penn State

7.226 - C.J. Wilson, CB Baylor

Chicago - Grade: C+

Didn't think they'd pull the trigger on Olsen. Don't see much from the guys after Beekman. Wolf is a gimmick that won't make it, IMO.

Best pick: Beekman

Steal: Beekman

1.31 - Greg Olsen, TE Miami (FL)

2.62 - Dan Bazuin, DE Central Michigan

3.93 - Garrett Wolf, RB Northern Illinois

3.94 - Michael Okwo, LB Stanford

4.130 - Joshua Beekman, OG Boston College

5.167 - Kevin Payne, S Louisiana-Monroe

5.168 - Corey Graham, CB New Hampshire

7.221 - Trumaine McBride, CB Mississippi

7.241 - Aaron Brant, OT Iowa State

Cincinnati - Grade: C-

Very little to like after Hall. Irons will only be a role player. No linebacker picks?

Best pick: Hall

Steal: None

1.18 - Leon Hall, CB Michigan

2.49 - Kenny Irons, RB Auburn

4.114 - Marvin White, S Texas Christian

5.151 - Jeff Rowe, QB Nevada

6.187 - Matt Toeaina, DT Oregon

7.230 - Dan Santucci, OG Notre Dame

7.253 - Nedu Ndukwe, S Notre Dame

Cleveland - Grade: A+

Getting two top 5 picks in the same draft is amazing. I don't believe they gave up "too much" whatsoever. Wright late 2nd is nice too.

Best pick: Thomas

Steal: Quinn

1.22 - Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame

1.3 - Joe Thomas, OT Wisconsin

2.53 - Eric Wright, CB UNLV

5.140 - Brandon McDonald, CB Memphis

6.200 - Melila Purcell III, DE Hawii

7.213 - Ben Pittman, DE LSU

7.234 - Syndric Steptoe, WR Arizona

Dallas - Grade: A

Great maneuvering by Jerry Jones. Excellent job in shoring up the o-line. Spencer is the pass rusher they need.

Best pick: Spencer

Steal: Free & Brown

1.26 - Anthony Spencer, DE Purdue

3.67 - James Marten, OT Boston College

4.103 - Isaiah Stanback, QB Washington

4.122 - Doug Free, OT Northern Illinois

6.178 - Nick Folk, K Arizona

6.195 - Deon Anderson, FB Connecticut

7.212 - Courtney Brown, CB Cal Poly

7.237 - Alan Ball, CB Illinois

Denver - Grade: B-

They did get the type of players they needed, but that trade in the first seems to make little sense. I docked them for that.

Best pick: The combo of Moss & Crowder

Steal: Thomas

1.17 - Jarvis Moss, DE Florida

2.56 - Tim Crowder, DE Texas

3.70 - Ryan Harris, OT Notre Dame

4.121 - Marcus Thomas, DT Florida

Detroit - Grade: A-

Can't get less than an A- because they took the best player in the draft. The picks of Stanton and Alama-Francis are also very good.

Best pick: Johnson

Steal: Ramirez

1.2 - Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech

2.43 - Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State

2.58 - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Hawaii

2.61 - Gerald Alexander, S Boise State

4.105 - A.J. Davis, CB North Carolina State

4.117 - Manuel Ramirez, OG Texas Tech

5.158 - Johnny Baldwin, LB Alabama A&M

7.255 - Ramzee Robinson, CB Alabama

Green Bay - Grade: D+/ Revised: C+

What the heck? Harrell is a first rounder, but was DT their BIGGEST area of need at that spot?

Best pick: None

Steal: Crosby

1.16 - Justin Harrell, DT Tennessee

2.63 - Brandon Jackson, RB Nebraska

3.78 - James Jones, WR San Jose State

3.89 - Aaron Rouse, S Virginia Tech

4.119 - Allen Barbre, OT Missouri Southern

5.157 - David Clowney, WR Virginia Tech

6.191 - Korey Hall, LB Boise State

6.192 - Desmond Bishop, LB California

6.193 - Mason Crosby, K Colorado

7.228 - DeShawn Wynn, RB Florida

7.243 - Clark Harris, TE Rutgers

Houston - Grade: B

I like the first three picks a ton. Bennett is an excellent value. But how much depth did they get.

Best pick: Okoye

Steal: Bennett

1.10 - Omobi Okoye, DT Louisville

3.73 - Jacoby Jones, WR Lane

4.123 - Fred Bennett, CB South Carolina

5.144 - Brandon Harrison, S Stanford

5.163 - Brandon Frye, OT Virginia Tech

6.183 - Kasey Studdard, OG Texas

7.218 - Zach Diles, LB Kansas State

Indianapolis - Grade: B

Good picks, but that's an awful lot to give up for a guard/tackle. Got some very nice Tampa 2 type corners. Looks like it's "Repeat or Bust!"

Best pick: Gonzalez

Steal: Coe

1.32 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR Ohio State

2.42 - Tony Ugoh, OT/OG Arkansas

3.95 - Daymeion Hughes, CB California

3.98 - Quinn Pitcock, DT Ohio State

4.131 - Brannon Condren, S Troy

4.136 - Clint Session, LB Pittsburgh

5.169 - Roy Hall, WR Ohio State

5.173 - Michael Coe, CB Alabama State

7.242 - Keyunta Dawson, DE Texas Tech

Jacksonville - Grade: B

Nice first three picks, especially how they got Nelson, but was Durant really needed? They'd have been better off going DE at that spot, IMO.

Best pick: Nelson (for how they got him)

Steal: None

1.21 - Reggie Nelson, S Florida

2.48 - Justin Durant, LB Hampton

3.79 - Mike Walker, WR Central Florida

4.101 Adam Podlesh P Maryland

4.113 - Brian Smith, DE Missouri

5.149 - Uche Nwaneri, OG Purdue

5.150 - Josh Gattis, S Wake Forest

5.166 - Derek Landri, DT Notre Dame

7.229 - John Broussard, WR San Jose State

7.251 - Chad Nkang, LB Elon

7.252 - Andrew Carnahan, OT Arizona State

Kansas City - Grade: B+

Nice job filling the DT spot. If those guys perform, they could have a dominant d-line. Where's the o-line help though?

Best pick: Tyler

Steal: Smith

1.23 - Dwayne Bowe, WR LSU

2.54 - Claude "Turk" McBride, DE/DT Tennessee

3.82 - DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, DT North Carolina State

5.148 - Kolby Smith, RB Louisville

5.160 - Justin Medlock, K UCLA

6.196 - Herbert Taylor, OT Texas Christian

7.231 - Michael Allen, TE Whitworth

Miami - Grade: B-

I liked Ted Ginn all along. But not when Quinn is available. Booker could be exciting.

Best pick: None

Steal: Soliai

1.9 - Ted Ginn Jr., WR Ohio State

2.40 - John Beck, QB BYU

2.60 - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

3.71 - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

4.108 - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

6.181 - Reagan Mauia, FB Hawaii

6.199 - Drew Mormino, C Central Michigan

7.219 - Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse

7.225 - Brandon Fields, P Michigan State

7.238 - Abraham Wright, DE Colorado

Minnesota - Grade: A+

My faith is restored a bit. My AP jersey is on order. If they perform on-field like they look on paper, the Vikes are headed in the right direction.

Best pick: Peterson

Steal: Alexander

1.7 - Adrian Peterson, RB Oklahoma

2.44 - Sidney Rice, WR South Carolina

3.72 - Marcus McCauley, CB Fresno State

4.102 - Brian Robison, DE Texas

5.146 - Aundrae Allison, WR East Carolina

6.176 - Rufus Alexander, LB Oklahoma

7.217 - Tyler Thigpen, QB Coastal Carolina

7.233 - Chandler Williams, WR Florida International

New England - Grade: B (incomplete)/Revised: B+ considering Moss acquisition.

Not much to get excited about here. But the Pats know what they're doing and didn't have many holes to fill. The 4th for Moss was brilliant.

Best pick: Meriweather

Steal: 4th rounder for Moss

1.24 - Brandon Meriweather, S Miami

4.127 - Kareem Brown, DT Miami (FL)

5.171 - Clint Oldenburg, OT Colorado State

6.180 - Justin Rogers, LB SMU

6.202 - Mike Richardson, CB Notre Dame

6.208 - Justise Hairston, RB Central Connecticut

6.209 - Corey Hilliard, OT Oklahoma State

7.211 - Oscar Lua, LB USC

7.247 - Mike Elgin, OG Iowa

New Orleans - Grade: B

I really like the first two picks. But was o-line that much of a problem? Where's the LB help? Nice insurance for McAllister in Pittman.

Best pick: Meachem

Steal: Pittman

1.27 - Robert Meachem, WR Tennessee

3.66 - Usama Young, CB Kent State

3.88 - Andy Alleman, OG Akron

4.107 - Antonio Pittman, RB Ohio State

4.125 - Jermon Bushrod, OT Towson

5.145 - David Jones, CB Wingate

7.220 - Marvin Mitchell, LB Tennessee

NY Jets - Grade: B+/Revised: A- (Forgot to consider the Thomas Jones acquisition.)

Got the guy they had to have in Revis. Love the Harris pick. But those extra picks given up could have helped with the depth.

Best pick: Revis

Steal: None (maybe Harris)

1.14 - Darelle Revis, CB Pittsburgh

2.47 - David Harris, LB Michigan

6.177 - Jacob Bender, OT Nicholls State

7.235 - Chansi Stuckey, WR Clemson

NY Giants - Grade: B+

Got help at each position of greatest need. Pretty good for a first year GM.

Best pick: Smith

Steal: DeOssie

1.20 - Aaron Ross, CB Texas

2.51 - Steve Smith, WR USC

3.81 - Jay Alford, DT Penn State

4.116 - Zak DeOssie, LB Brown

5.153 - Kevin Boss, TE Western Oregon

6.189 - Adam Koets, OT Oregon State

7.224 - Michael Johnson, S Arizona

7.250 - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB Marshall

Oakland - Grade: B-

Don't like at all that they didn't get o-line help. They're stil going to really struggle this year.

Best pick: Moses (especially if Burgess holds out)

Steal: Bush

1.1 - JaMarcus Russell, QB LSU

2.38 - Zach Miller, TE Arizona State

3.65 - Quentin Moses, DE Georgia

3.91 - Mario Henderson, OT Florida State

3.99 - Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR UTEP

4.100 - Michael Bush, RB Louisville

4.110 - John Bowie, CB Cincinnati

5.138 - Jay Richardson, DE Ohio State

5.165 - Eric Frampton, S Washington State

6.175 - Oren ONeal, FB Arkansas State

7.254 - Johnathan Holland, WR Louisiana Tech

Philadelphia - Grade: B-/Revised: C

They're not good enough to be drafting the QB of the future. Made up time in the mid-rounds. Where's the safety help?

Best pick: Abiamiri

Steal: Gaddis (if he can play safety)

2.36 - Kevin Kolb, QB Houston

2.57 - Victor Abiamiri, DE Notre Dame

3.87 - Stewart Bradley, LB Nebraska

3.90 - Tony Hunt, RB Penn State

5.159 - C.J. Gaddis, S Clemson

5.162 - Brent Celek, TE Cincinnati

6.201 - Rashad Barksdale, CB Albany

7.236 - Nate Ilaoa, RB Hawaii

Pittsburgh - Grade: A

Great first draft for Tomlin & Co. That defense is going to revive/reload with the first two picks.

Best pick: Woodley

Steal: McBean

1.15 - Lawrence Timmons, LB Florida State

2.46 - LeMarr Woodley, DE Michigan

3.77 - Matt Spaeth, TE Minnesota

4.112 - Daniel Sepulveda, P Baylor

4.132 - Ryan McBean, DE Oklahoma State

5.156 - Cameron Stephenson, OG Rutgers

5.170 - William Gay, CB Louisville

7.227 - Dallas Baker, WR Florida

San Diego - Grade: B/Revised: B+ (Love the late round selection of Siler. Chandler doesn't seem to make sense, but is great value.)

I don't know how to feel about this draft. Good players, but at funny spots. Siler went in the 7th???

Best pick: Weddle

Steal: Siler

1.30 - Craig Davis, WR LSU

2.37 - Eric Weddle, S Utah

3.96 - Anthony Waters, LB Clemson

4.129 - Scott Chandler, TE Iowa

5.172 - Legedu Naanee, WR Boise State

7.240 - Brandon Siler, LB Florida

San Francisco - Grade: A+

This team is on fire. Their first five picks should all be instant starters and improve this team considerably. What an emergent defense! Getting Jackson from Seattle for a 4th was a good move too.

Best pick: Willis

Steal: McDonald/Moore

1.11 - Patrick Willis, LB Mississippi

1.28 - Joe Staley, OT Central Michigan

3.76 - Jason Hill, WR Washingtin State

3.97 - Ray McDonald, DE/DT Florida

4.104 - Jay Moore, DE Nebraska

4.126 - Dashon Goldson, S Washington

4.135 - Joe Cohen, DT Florida

5.147 - Tarell Brown, CB Texas

6.186 - Thomas Clayton, RB Kansas State

Seattle - Grade: A-/Revised: B (Didn't get the TE help they really need for that offense. Really surprised they didn't take Patrick.)

Did very well for not having a first round pick. Needed to improve the D-line and it certainly looks like they did.

Best pick: Mebane

Steal: Atkins

2.55 - Josh Wilson, CB Maryland

3.85 - Brandon Mebane, DT California

4.120 - Baraka Atkins, DT Miami (FL)

4.124 - Mansfield Wrotto, OG Georgia Tech

5.161 - Will Herring, LB Auburn

6.197 - Courtney Taylor, WR Auburn

6.210 - Jordan Kent, WR Oregon

7.232 - Steve Vallos, OT Wake Forest

St. Louis - Grade: B

I get the feeling they could have done a lot more. With all the WR's available, I'm surprised they didn't get someone better.

Best pick: Leonard

Steal: Wade

1.13 - Adam Carriker, DT/DE Nebraska

2.52 - Brian Leonard, RB Rutgers

3.84 - Jonathan Wade, CB Tennessee

5.139 - Dustin Frye, C Clemson

5.154 - Clifton Ryan, DT Michigan State

6.190 - Ken Shackleford, OT Georgia

7.248 - Keith Jackson, DT Arkansas

7.249 - Derek Stanley, WR Wisconsin-Whitewater

Tampa Bay - Grade: B

Another team that I feel could have done more. Helped out their lines, but it feels like they reached a bit from there.

Best pick: Adams

Steal: Black

1.4 - Gaines Adams, DE Clemson

2.35 - Arron Sears, OT/OG Tennessee

2.64 - Sabby Piscitelli, SS/LB Oregon State

3.68 - Quincy Black, LB New Mexico

4.106 - Tanard Jackson, CB Syracuse

5.141 - Greg Peterson, DE North Carolina Central

6.182 - Adam Hayward, LB Portland State

7.214 - Chris Denman, OT Fresno State

7.245 - Marcus Hamilton, CB Virginia

7.246 - Kenneth Darby, RB Alabama

Tennessee - Grade: F

In the novel 1984, the evil O'Brien tortures Winston Smith, helps him recover, only to torture him yet again. Titans fans must know how Smith felt.

Best pick: None

Steal: None

1.19 - Michael Griffen, S Texas

2.50 - Chris Henry, RB Arizona

3.80 - Paul Williams, WR Fresno State

4.115 - Leroy Harris, C North Carolina State

4.128 - Chris Davis, WR Florida State

5.152 - Antonio Johnson, DT Mississippi State

6.188 - Joel Filani, WR Texas Tech

6.204 - Jacob Ford, DE/OLB Central Arkansas

6.206 - Ryan Smith, CB Florida

7.223 - Michael Otto, OT Purdue

Washington - Grade: A

Did as well as they possibly could with the limited number of picks. They really helped their defense. Blades never should have fallen that far.

Best pick: Landry

Steal: Blades

1.6 - LaRon Landry, S LSU

5.143 - Dallas Sartz, LB USC

6.179 - H.B. Blades, LB Pittsburgh

6.205 - Jordan Palmer, QB UTEP

7.216 - Tyler Ecker, TE Michigan

 
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Miami - Grade: B-

I liked Ted Ginn all along. But not when Quinn is available. Booker could be exciting.

Best pick: None

Steal: Soliai

1.9 - Ted Ginn Jr., WR Ohio State

2.40 - John Beck, QB BYU

2.60 - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

3.71 - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

4.108 - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

6.181 - Reagan Mauia, FB Hawaii

6.199 - Drew Mormino, C Central Michigan

7.219 - Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse

7.225 - Brandon Fields, P Michigan State

7.238 - Abraham Wright, DE Colorado
Best pick would be Beck IMHO. It is telling that a team stuck to their guns when Quinn was there becasue they had a feeling that someone else might be better who would be available later. They took beck over Quinn and Stanton which is telling. Still, Ginn is a nice player, but Okoye or even Joe Staley would have helped this team more where it mattered
 
I was having a glimmer of hope when the Titans picked in the fourth round - but that soon faded (anyway would not make up for the putrid 1st day)

 
Thanks for the hard work and taking the time to write this up.

I have to disagree with you on your logic for giving Miami a B-.

How can you give them:

Best Pick: Nobody

But yet the grade of a b- actually still means above average since the grade of a C is average.

If a team can't come up with 1 solid pick for a given round, to me that's not above average.

I'd have to say on paper I agree with you about Cleveland. They did get potentially 2 top 5 picks, although I didn't like Quinn to begin with.

 
Miami - Grade: B-

I liked Ted Ginn all along. But not when Quinn is available. Booker could be exciting.

Best pick: None

Steal: Soliai

1.9 - Ted Ginn Jr., WR Ohio State

2.40 - John Beck, QB BYU

2.60 - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

3.71 - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

4.108 - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

6.181 - Reagan Mauia, FB Hawaii

6.199 - Drew Mormino, C Central Michigan

7.219 - Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse

7.225 - Brandon Fields, P Michigan State

7.238 - Abraham Wright, DE Colorado
Best pick would be Beck IMHO. It is telling that a team stuck to their guns when Quinn was there becasue they had a feeling that someone else might be better who would be available later. They took beck over Quinn and Stanton which is telling. Still, Ginn is a nice player, but Okoye or even Joe Staley would have helped this team more where it mattered
A lot of people must have really disliked Troy Smith - change Beck to Staley and you could still have picked up Smith later - certainly in the 4th. I won't get into the Ginn discussion other than to say I am very happy he is not a Titan. That does not make me happy with what they did instead but I argued (seemingly for deaf ears) that you could get a returner later in the draft.
 
Miami - Grade: B-

I liked Ted Ginn all along. But not when Quinn is available. Booker could be exciting.

Best pick: None

Steal: Soliai

1.9 - Ted Ginn Jr., WR Ohio State

2.40 - John Beck, QB BYU

2.60 - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

3.71 - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

4.108 - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

6.181 - Reagan Mauia, FB Hawaii

6.199 - Drew Mormino, C Central Michigan

7.219 - Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse

7.225 - Brandon Fields, P Michigan State

7.238 - Abraham Wright, DE Colorado
Best pick would be Beck IMHO. It is telling that a team stuck to their guns when Quinn was there becasue they had a feeling that someone else might be better who would be available later. They took beck over Quinn and Stanton which is telling. Still, Ginn is a nice player, but Okoye or even Joe Staley would have helped this team more where it mattered
:boxing: It is very clear the Dolphins had Beck rated higher than Quinn. They were VERY lucky Beck was available for them at #40 overal. They also saved millions by not taking Quinn at #9 overall.

It comes down to who has a better pro career - Quinn or Beck?

I hated the Ginn pick at the time but I thought the Dolphins did well the rest of the draft.

A "B-" from Andy Dufresne is the highest grade I've seen the Dophins get so far.

 
I have to disagree with you on your logic for giving Miami a B-.How can you give them:Best Pick: NobodyBut yet the grade of a b- actually still means above average since the grade of a C is average.If a team can't come up with 1 solid pick for a given round, to me that's not above average.
Just a matter of semantics. I think they got good players at good spots, but nothing that says "Boom goes the dynamite". Put a gun to my head and I say Soliai as he should impact an aging d-line.
 
A "B-" from Andy Dufresne is the highest grade I've seen the Dophins get so far.
My initial grade comes by looking at rounds 1-4. If it was good, they're in the B category. If it's lights out, then the A's come out. If it's poor, then you're looking at C's & D's.In rounds 5 and higher, a team improves/docks its grade by pluses and minuses.

Just my completely random, pulled from you know where grading system.

I liked the picks of Ginn, Beck, Satele, Booker, and Soliai. But I personally think they made a mistake by passing over Quinn for Beck. Nothing special jumped out at me after the Soliai pick.

 
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Miami - Grade: B-

I liked Ted Ginn all along. But not when Quinn is available. Booker could be exciting.

Best pick: None

Steal: Soliai

1.9 - Ted Ginn Jr., WR Ohio State

2.40 - John Beck, QB BYU

2.60 - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

3.71 - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

4.108 - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

6.181 - Reagan Mauia, FB Hawaii

6.199 - Drew Mormino, C Central Michigan

7.219 - Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse

7.225 - Brandon Fields, P Michigan State

7.238 - Abraham Wright, DE Colorado
I believe the downgrade from Quinn to Beck was not worththe Ginn pick. Not even close. A very generous grade for Miami.

I would grade Miami at C- and Philadelphia also at a C-.

 
Washington - Grade: A

Did as well as they possibly could with the limited number of picks. They really helped their defense. Blades never should have fallen that far.

Best pick: Landry

Steal: Blades

1.6 - LaRon Landry, S LSU

5.143 - Dallas Sartz, LB USC

6.179 - H.B. Blades, LB Pittsburgh

6.205 - Jordan Palmer, QB UTEP

7.216 - Tyler Ecker, TE Michigan
This grade's too high, just because of how little they got in return for their round 2-4 picks. However, I agree with you that they drafted well with the picks they did have.
 
nice stuff overall, but i can't understand the washington, and seattle grades.

do you think landry alone warrants an A? are you including branch in seattle's draft to substantiate the A- you gave them. they both look like about C+ to me

 
Houston - Grade: BI like the first three picks a ton. Bennett is an excellent value. But how much depth did they get.Best pick: OkoyeSteal: Bennett1.10 - Omobi Okoye, DT Louisville 3.73 - Jacoby Jones, WR Lane 4.123 - Fred Bennett, CB South Carolina 5.144 - Brandon Harrison, S Stanford 5.163 - Brandon Frye, OT Virginia Tech 6.183 - Kasey Studdard, OG Texas 7.218 - Zach Diles, LB Kansas State
Thanks for not dogging the Texans like everyone else did.(i think they are still grading us on last year) I too like Bennet and hes was my steal at corner too. I would have taken Walker over Jones but I like speed so what do I know.
 
Green Bay - Grade: D+

What the heck? Harrell is a first rounder, but was DT their BIGGEST area of need at that spot?

Best pick: None

Steal: Crosby

1.16 - Justin Harrell, DT Tennessee

2.63 - Brandon Jackson, RB Nebraska

3.78 - James Jones, WR San Jose State

3.89 - Aaron Rouse, S Virginia Tech

4.119 - Allen Barbre, OT Missouri Southern

5.157 - David Clowney, WR Virginia Tech

6.191 - Korey Hall, LB Boise State

6.192 - Desmond Bishop, LB California

6.193 - Mason Crosby, K Colorado

7.228 - DeShawn Wynn, RB Florida

7.243 - Clark Harris, TE Rutgers
Great effort and I definitely enjoy your work. That said, I definitely think Thompson was drafting by the "dreaded" BPA. He felt that Harrell was a Top 10 talent and also felt other teams slightly below them saw the same thing. When need and BPA match (such as last year with Hawk) great, but I felt he had a solid draft and got guys that fit the Packers scheme and philosophy. A D+ is WAY too harsh imho.

 
Washington - Grade: A

Did as well as they possibly could with the limited number of picks. They really helped their defense. Blades never should have fallen that far.

Best pick: Landry

Steal: Blades

1.6 - LaRon Landry, S LSU

5.143 - Dallas Sartz, LB USC

6.179 - H.B. Blades, LB Pittsburgh

6.205 - Jordan Palmer, QB UTEP

7.216 - Tyler Ecker, TE Michigan
This grade's too high, just because of how little they got in return for their round 2-4 picks. However, I agree with you that they drafted well with the picks they did have.
nice stuff overall, but i can't understand the washington, and seattle grades.

do you think landry alone warrants an A? are you including branch in seattle's draft to substantiate the A- you gave them. they both look like about C+ to me
Washington - The grade starts with the assumption of grading based with what they had to work with. Getting Blades, a total steal in the 6th, and Palmer, a potential solid backup QB is excellent. Add in the fact that they got one of the best safeties to come out in a while, I really like what they did.As far as Seattle goes, they had big needs at D-line and guard. I believe both Mebane and Atkins are underrated and are great value where they got them. I would have thought they'd want Beekman ahead of Wrotto, though. Depth at corner is necessary and Wilson could even push for a starting role.

 
Good stuff.

I think you were a little too kind to the Eagles, Giants and Seahawks, but you did a really nice job. Thanks for taking the time on this Andy.

 
Thanks for not dogging the Texans like everyone else did.(i think they are still grading us on last year) I too like Bennet and hes was my steal at corner too. I would have taken Walker over Jones but I like speed so what do I know.
Either Jones & Walker would have been a good pick. Jones and Kevin Walter should make respectable #2/#3 to Johnson's #1.The addition of Okoye will show everyone the wisdom in selecting Williams over Bush.
 
Green Bay - Grade: D+

What the heck? Harrell is a first rounder, but was DT their BIGGEST area of need at that spot?

Best pick: None

Steal: Crosby

1.16 - Justin Harrell, DT Tennessee

2.63 - Brandon Jackson, RB Nebraska

3.78 - James Jones, WR San Jose State

3.89 - Aaron Rouse, S Virginia Tech

4.119 - Allen Barbre, OT Missouri Southern

5.157 - David Clowney, WR Virginia Tech

6.191 - Korey Hall, LB Boise State

6.192 - Desmond Bishop, LB California

6.193 - Mason Crosby, K Colorado

7.228 - DeShawn Wynn, RB Florida

7.243 - Clark Harris, TE Rutgers
Great effort and I definitely enjoy your work. That said, I definitely think Thompson was drafting by the "dreaded" BPA. He felt that Harrell was a Top 10 talent and also felt other teams slightly below them saw the same thing. When need and BPA match (such as last year with Hawk) great, but I felt he had a solid draft and got guys that fit the Packers scheme and philosophy. A D+ is WAY too harsh imho.
Thanks for the compliment! :goodposting: Like I said, it was an initial reaction. I'm not completely sold on Jackson and there were better WRs to be had than Jones. Rouse is a boom or bust type.

It just didn't feel like a good draft. But then neither did last year and that seemed to turn out okay too. I could be convinced to revise it to a "C".

 
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Good stuff.I think you were a little too kind to the Eagles, Giants and Seahawks, but you did a really nice job. Thanks for taking the time on this Andy.
:goodposting:Why do you feel that way about the Giants? My grades are heavily weighed to the first four picks and I think the Giants did really well in that regard.
 
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Miami - Grade: B-

I liked Ted Ginn all along. But not when Quinn is available. Booker could be exciting.

Best pick: None

Steal: Soliai

1.9 - Ted Ginn Jr., WR Ohio State

2.40 - John Beck, QB BYU

2.60 - Samson Satele, C Hawaii

3.71 - Lorenzo Booker, RB Florida State

4.108 - Paul Soliai, DT Utah

6.181 - Reagan Mauia, FB Hawaii

6.199 - Drew Mormino, C Central Michigan

7.219 - Kelvin Smith, LB Syracuse

7.225 - Brandon Fields, P Michigan State

7.238 - Abraham Wright, DE Colorado
Best pick would be Beck IMHO. It is telling that a team stuck to their guns when Quinn was there becasue they had a feeling that someone else might be better who would be available later. They took beck over Quinn and Stanton which is telling. Still, Ginn is a nice player, but Okoye or even Joe Staley would have helped this team more where it mattered
Are you saying they took Beck over Quinn because they passed Quinn at #9? Obviously Quinn wasn't there in the 2nd, but I don't think you meant that literally.Let's ask this....what if Miami had another 1st round pick in the 20's (they still took Ginn at #9) and Quinn was still on the board, and they didn't have another pick until the 3rd round. Are you implying they would have taken Beck over Quinn at that spot assuming both were actually on the board?

 
Good stuff.I think you were a little too kind to the Eagles, Giants and Seahawks, but you did a really nice job. Thanks for taking the time on this Andy.
:goodposting:Why do you feel that way about the Giants? My grades are heavily weighed to the first four picks and I think the Giants did really well in that regard.
I'm not a huge Ross fan, BUT I will grant them the pick was solid. Steve Smith went about where he was expected to go, so if he was BPA on their board, I can live with that. But IMHO Alford and Deossie are reaches at those picks and don't materially improve the team. But at the end of the day, as much as I preach drafting BPA; I don't see how a team with that offensive line could ignore the area until the 6th round. The Giants are at a pivotal point in their history. Eli Manning has a tremendous amount to prove, the coaching staff has little margin for error [Reese won't need much of an excuse to bring in his own guy after '08], and the team needs to reestablish an identity on defense AND in the running game. Given their lack of aggression in free agency, I see little way for New York to finish better then 3rd in the NFC East without major injuries to the Eagles and 'Boys.
 
Overall an excellent, well thought out report. I don't agree with everything (I graded MIA far worse, but it's because I like Ginn much less) but definitely respect your ratings!

 
Dallas - Grade: A

Great maneuvering by Jerry Jones. Excellent job in shoring up the o-line. Spencer is the pass rusher they need.

Best pick: Spencer

Steal: Free & Brown

1.26 - Anthony Spencer, DE Purdue

3.67 - James Marten, OT Boston College

4.103 - Isaiah Stanback, QB Washington

4.122 - Doug Free, OT Northern Illinois

6.178 - Nick Folk, K Arizona

6.195 - Deon Anderson, FB Connecticut

7.212 - Courtney Brown, CB Cal Poly

7.237 - Alan Ball, CB Illinois
D

The only reason this isn't an F is because the secured Cleveland's first rounder next year.

Last year I suffered through Parcells forcing Bobby Carpenter in the first when clearly Manny Lawson was the way to go. It irks me, and we have a repeat this year. Wade is comparing Spencer to fellow ex Boilermaker Shaun Phillips. I find this kind of talent observation laughable, unfortunate, and I'm a little tired fo Jerry promising BaP then going with the head coach's delusions.

The thing that makes me furious about this one is the move up with Philly. They made an awesome deal with Cleveland that was laced with good karma and common sense for both teams, and they tarnished it by getting raped by the Eagles.

Dallas basically said Spencer is greater than:

a combination of one of these:

Eric Weddle, Justin Blalock, Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarrett, or Chris Houston...

AND this is what really kils me...

one of these...

Quentin Moses, Alama-Francis, or Ryan Kalil...

I would submit to you that every single one of those players are better football players than Spencer. So there's this disconcerting double whammy with them taking a player (Spencer) who I think was overhyped in the Big 10 and no better than Rob Ninkovich or Ray Edwards, AND passing on two better players. Even if Spencer is who Wade thinks he is, I doubt he is worth any combination of those Dallas could be boasting today.

And I am very confident Spencer is a one trick pony pass rusher who will be a situational player and often times liability who will struggle to start and ever play three downs.

Oh but never mind turning that gold into lead. Let's keep drafting. Two picks on OTs in this draft? Are you kidding me? Why the @#$%!! didn't they do that last year!!?? :lmao:

Marten is a clod. He cannot lift his knees. This is the 67th best player in the draft? :no: Did they watch this slug at BC. He plays in a very small radius because he has no range. He isn't just a back bender, he is poor athlete. This is very sad.

I'll take a look at Stanback. Fine. I like freaks and maybe they can convert him or he surprises at QB. I like this kid, but it doesn't fix this entire draft.

Doug Free? Um, did they watch him play last year? I expected him to go undrafted honestly. He is a great big athletic guy. He'd be an awesome bouncer in a posh night club, but he he has no business in the NFL. I watched him over and over and over again. It isn't there. These OLs in this class got their booties kicked all year in the NCAA last year. Just because teams need OLs is no excuse to be drafting the garbage that was available after the second round.

Nick Folk!!? I don't know whether to :shrug: or :cry: but either way... :lmao:

Two guys who won't make the team and Courtney Brown. He's worth a look, but you don't put a pretty sofa in your house after you burn it down and say good job.

This draft was ruined by a division rival. I think I'll be a Charger fan.

And I know I bagged on Dallas last year, but I was right. I don't just hate on my favorite team for not doing what I think they should. I celebrated the 05 draft.

 
I am glad to see you like the Steeler's draft. The way the fans were acting you would of thought it was the worst draft in team history.

What can you tell me about their last 4 picks?

Great job as always!

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Dallas - Grade: A

Great maneuvering by Jerry Jones. Excellent job in shoring up the o-line. Spencer is the pass rusher they need.

Best pick: Spencer

Steal: Free & Brown

1.26 - Anthony Spencer, DE Purdue

3.67 - James Marten, OT Boston College

4.103 - Isaiah Stanback, QB Washington

4.122 - Doug Free, OT Northern Illinois

6.178 - Nick Folk, K Arizona

6.195 - Deon Anderson, FB Connecticut

7.212 - Courtney Brown, CB Cal Poly

7.237 - Alan Ball, CB Illinois
D

The only reason this isn't an F is because the secured Cleveland's first rounder next year.

Last year I suffered through Parcells forcing Bobby Carpenter in the first when clearly Manny Lawson was the way to go. It irks me, and we have a repeat this year. Wade is comparing Spencer to fellow ex Boilermaker Shaun Phillips. I find this kind of talent observation laughable, unfortunate, and I'm a little tired fo Jerry promising BaP then going with the head coach's delusions.

The thing that makes me furious about this one is the move up with Philly. They made an awesome deal with Cleveland that was laced with good karma and common sense for both teams, and they tarnished it by getting raped by the Eagles.

Dallas basically said Spencer is greater than:

a combination of one of these:

Eric Weddle, Justin Blalock, Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarrett, or Chris Houston...

AND this is what really kils me...

one of these...

Quentin Moses, Alama-Francis, or Ryan Kalil...

I would submit to you that every single one of those players are better football players than Spencer. So there's this disconcerting double whammy with them taking a player (Spencer) who I think was overhyped in the Big 10 and no better than Rob Ninkovich or Ray Edwards, AND passing on two better players. Even if Spencer is who Wade thinks he is, I doubt he is worth any combination of those Dallas could be boasting today.

And I am very confident Spencer is a one trick pony pass rusher who will be a situational player and often times liability who will struggle to start and ever play three downs.

Oh but never mind turning that gold into lead. Let's keep drafting. Two picks on OTs in this draft? Are you kidding me? Why the @#$%!! didn't they do that last year!!?? :cry:

Marten is a clod. He cannot lift his knees. This is the 67th best player in the draft? :no: Did they watch this slug at BC. He plays in a very small radius because he has no range. He isn't just a back bender, he is poor athlete. This is very sad.

I'll take a look at Stanback. Fine. I like freaks and maybe they can convert him or he surprises at QB. I like this kid, but it doesn't fix this entire draft.

Doug Free? Um, did they watch him play last year? I expected him to go undrafted honestly. He is a great big athletic guy. He'd be an awesome bouncer in a posh night club, but he he has no business in the NFL. I watched him over and over and over again. It isn't there. These OLs in this class got their booties kicked all year in the NCAA last year. Just because teams need OLs is no excuse to be drafting the garbage that was available after the second round.

Nick Folk!!? I don't know whether to :shrug: or :cry: but either way... :no:

Two guys who won't make the team and Courtney Brown. He's worth a look, but you don't put a pretty sofa in your house after you burn it down and say good job.

This draft was ruined by a division rival. I think I'll be a Charger fan.

And I know I bagged on Dallas last year, but I was right. I don't just hate on my favorite team for not doing what I think they should. I celebrated the 05 draft.
:lmao: Did you see my comment via massraider when they made the Spencer pick?

"Will somebody check on my guy Chaos Commish and see if he's okay?"

:lmao:

 
I think you were far too kind to the Steelers. I think Timmons was a reach where they were.

If they were paying attention, they could have completed the trade with the Jets (instead of Carolina) getting just a little less than the Panters get and probably STILL get Timmons...or Beeson, at worst.

I'd like to see them spend a little effort on O-Line. Kalil was available in Round 2 and they're in need of a center.

The TE in Rd. 3 is a real WTF pick.

 
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I'm still puzzled how Ben Patrick and Brandon Siler lasted until the seventh and Earl Everett wasn't even drafted. :shrug:
There are always those few guys who seemingly fit into the mid-rounds on most NFL draft sites and yet fall through the cracks. I think we sometimes forget that once you're past the first few rounds, all of these players are flawed enough that it's entirely an "in the eye of the beholder" situation.
 
redman said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Washington - Grade: A

Did as well as they possibly could with the limited number of picks. They really helped their defense. Blades never should have fallen that far.

Best pick: Landry

Steal: Blades

1.6 - LaRon Landry, S LSU

5.143 - Dallas Sartz, LB USC

6.179 - H.B. Blades, LB Pittsburgh

6.205 - Jordan Palmer, QB UTEP

7.216 - Tyler Ecker, TE Michigan
This grade's too high, just because of how little they got in return for their round 2-4 picks. However, I agree with you that they drafted well with the picks they did have.
I agree, they should lose one letter grade for pissing awaytheir 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks.

B-

BTW: Great work Andy.

 
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Buffalo - Grade: A

Steal: Wendling (but where does he play?)
he'll most likely fit in as a backup to Whitner at SS, contribute on special teams, and could see time in dime packages. may even pass Leonhard and wind up as the backup at both safety positions.
 
I am glad to see you like the Steeler's draft. The way the fans were acting you would of thought it was the worst draft in team history.What can you tell me about their last 4 picks?Great job as always!
What's not to like about the Steeler's draft? They got possible starters, at the very least big playing time guys, out of the first five picks.I don't know much about the last three guys. Baker may be a sleeper.
 
I think you were far too kind to the Steelers. I think Timmons was a reach where they were. If they were paying attention, they could have completed the trade with the Jets (instead of Carolina) getting just a little less than the Panters get and probably STILL get Timmons...or Beeson, at worst.I'd like to see them spend a little effort on O-Line. Kalil was available in Round 2 and they're in need of a center.The TE in Rd. 3 is a real WTF pick.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. Timmons was projected to go to them long ago and fits well in either the 3-4 or 4-3 scheme.That's a lot of "could haves" to speculate in regards to trading down. Difficult to dock them in that regard.Matt Spaeth won the John Mackey Award for being college football's best tight end and was regarded as one of the top blocking tight ends in college football. Maybe you didn't want a TE at that spot, but you got a good one regardless.
 
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Detroit - Grade: A-Can't get less than an A- because they took the best player in the draft. The picks of Stanton and Alama-Francis are also very good. Best pick: JohnsonSteal: Ramirez1.2 - Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2.43 - Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State 2.58 - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Hawaii 2.61 - Gerald Alexander, S Boise State 4.105 - A.J. Davis, CB North Carolina State 4.117 - Manuel Ramirez, OG Texas Tech 5.158 - Johnny Baldwin, LB Alabama A&M 7.255 - Ramzee Robinson, CB Alabama
:shrug: Surprised to see pleasant grades popping up for the Lions. It's just something I'm not used to seeing. I loved the draft this year. A few things irritated me though. I don't mind Stanton, but I wish we hadn't have passed on Posluszny or David Harris in round 2. We could've just as easily picked up Edwards in R3, or maybe even Stanton if he was still there. And Alexander just threw me. Many didn't have him on their board at all, and we gave up a 3 and a 4 to grab him in round 2. Oh well, I'm not the expert. They did the research, they put the effort into it, and if they decide that these players fit their system, I'm happy. Thanks for the effort in all these grades.
 
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Green Bay - Grade: D+

What the heck? Harrell is a first rounder, but was DT their BIGGEST area of need at that spot?

Best pick: None

Steal: Crosby

1.16 - Justin Harrell, DT Tennessee

2.63 - Brandon Jackson, RB Nebraska

3.78 - James Jones, WR San Jose State

3.89 - Aaron Rouse, S Virginia Tech

4.119 - Allen Barbre, OT Missouri Southern

5.157 - David Clowney, WR Virginia Tech

6.191 - Korey Hall, LB Boise State

6.192 - Desmond Bishop, LB California

6.193 - Mason Crosby, K Colorado

7.228 - DeShawn Wynn, RB Florida

7.243 - Clark Harris, TE Rutgers
To be honest I don't think Thompson gets enough credit, and it's too bad because reading between the lines in articles here in Wisconsin it seems the media is beginning to start the fire Thompson talk. His reasoning may never be known since he doesn't like to show his hand, but Shanahan has already stated himself that Denver was forced to trade up because of the Harrell pick. Thompson took the best player available in his mind and I can't fault him for that.Also, Jackson looks to be the perfect fit for running scheme in Green Bay. Kind of looks like a slower Ahman Green who doesn't fumble. Another good fit in the zone blocking scheme is Barbre who will not be forced into the lineup immediately like Colidge, Spitz, and Moll last season (unless Tauscher or Clifton get hurt). Barbre was also projected to go in the 2nd round.

Sure, we didn't get Randy Moss, but I honestly don't see how they could have considering Moss held the cards, and the Turner and LJ trade talks were no more than likely just pre-draft hype especially considering Turner is still a Charger.

Other picks to note, Harris looks like a beast at TE. I like the pick a lot because he looks like a hard worker and if he can be coached I think he may turn into a productive TE. Hall will be moved to FB, but the Packers real need with his selection was met on special teams where they ranked 26th last year. Finally, the WRs selected will be given every opportunity to show their skills on special teams and will enter an open competition for the #3 WR spot. Right now it belongs to Ferguson, hopefully one or both of them show enough that Ferguson ends up with the last WR spot.

Anyway, here's my votes:

Best Pick: Harrell

Steal: Barbre

 
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Green Bay - Grade: D+

What the heck? Harrell is a first rounder, but was DT their BIGGEST area of need at that spot?

Best pick: None

Steal: Crosby

1.16 - Justin Harrell, DT Tennessee

2.63 - Brandon Jackson, RB Nebraska

3.78 - James Jones, WR San Jose State

3.89 - Aaron Rouse, S Virginia Tech

4.119 - Allen Barbre, OT Missouri Southern

5.157 - David Clowney, WR Virginia Tech

6.191 - Korey Hall, LB Boise State

6.192 - Desmond Bishop, LB California

6.193 - Mason Crosby, K Colorado

7.228 - DeShawn Wynn, RB Florida

7.243 - Clark Harris, TE Rutgers
To be honest I don't think Thompson gets enough credit, and it's too bad because reading between the lines in articles here in Wisconsin it seems the media is beginning to start the fire Thompson talk. His reasoning may never be known since he doesn't like to show his hand, but Shanahan has already stated himself that Denver was forced to trade up because of the Harrell pick. Thompson took the best player available in his mind and I can't fault him for that.Also, Jackson looks to be the perfect fit for running scheme in Green Bay. Kind of looks like a slower Ahman Green who doesn't fumble. Another good fit in the zone blocking scheme is Barbre who will not be forced into the lineup immediately like Colidge, Spitz, and Moll last season (unless Tauscher or Clifton get hurt). Barbre was also projected to go in the 2nd round.

Sure, we didn't get Randy Moss, but I honestly don't see how they could have considering Moss held the cards, and the Turner and LJ trade talks were no more than likely just pre-draft hype especially considering Turner is still a Charger.

Other picks to note, Harris looks like a beast at TE. I like the pick a lot because he looks like a hard worker and if he can be coached I think he may turn into a productive TE. Hall will be moved to FB, but the Packers real need with his selection was met on special teams where they ranked 26th last year. Finally, the WRs selected will be given every opportunity to show their skills on special teams and will enter an open competition for the #3 WR spot. Right now it belongs to Ferguson, hopefully one or both of them show enough that Ferguson ends up with the last WR spot.

Anyway, here's my votes:

Best Pick: Harrell

Steal: Barbre
Yeah, Andy is a Viking fan. Take his grade with a grain of salt. In a couple years this will prove to be a great draft. I agree with Colin on Harrell. They got the best DT in the draft and they couldn't wait or trade down to get him. Okoye was a reach, but Branch was going to fall. Jackson has already been playing in the system and he was the best fit for GB, despite what many are saying. Again, they couldn't wait a round here. Two nice picks. But, it's after that that I really love this draft. Every single one of those picks has an outstanding chance of sticking and contributing. James Jones may have thrown people off, but give this kid a little time. He will prove worthy of that 3rd rounder. Kiper and Mayock both claimed that Jones was going to be a surprise first day pick and "several" teams were hoping to be the surprise pickers.
 
The Raiders really dug in and let it rip with their selections of Moses and Bush. If...BIG IF...Russell, Moses and Bush all hit, this team could turn the corner sooner than later.

 
The Raiders really dug in and let it rip with their selections of Moses and Bush. If...BIG IF...Russell, Moses and Bush all hit, this team could turn the corner sooner than later.
If Burgess doesn't hold out and performs like he has, and Moses does the same, they will have one of the top DE tandems in the league.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
prymetyme25 said:
Thanks for not dogging the Texans like everyone else did.(i think they are still grading us on last year) I too like Bennet and hes was my steal at corner too. I would have taken Walker over Jones but I like speed so what do I know.
Either Jones & Walker would have been a good pick. Jones and Kevin Walter should make respectable #2/#3 to Johnson's #1.The addition of Okoye will show everyone the wisdom in selecting Williams over Bush.
Most of the criticism from the rags has been the same one note always said about the Texans: "they didn't address O'line." Nevermind anyone pay attention to what our team actually does: 2 tackles in the 3rd last year, a T in the 4th and a G in the 5th this year. People would be crucifying us for reaching had we taken Staley with the 10th pick.The Texans existing players at Corner & Safety are poor enough that both Bennett and Harrison could end up starters this year. With the way our O'line guys seem to always go down, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see either of those picks ending up getting playing time.
 
I must say that the Packers, to me, had an excellent draft. I think the team is turning the corner [what happens after Favre is another question] and they added a lot of quality depth from big name programs. It wouldn't be out of the question for the Packers to get a half dozen contributors from this draft; and that's pretty darn good.

 
I must say that the Packers, to me, had an excellent draft. I think the team is turning the corner [what happens after Favre is another question] and they added a lot of quality depth from big name programs. It wouldn't be out of the question for the Packers to get a half dozen contributors from this draft; and that's pretty darn good.
All right, you guys are making me come around on the Packers.But to me, there' just too many guys drafted on potential. If they live up to it, then yes, it wasn't terrible. But it looks like a terribly "risky" draft to me. Moreso than any other team.
 
I think the Packers had a draft that may take 2 or 3 years to really pay off. I didn't like the Harrell pick..not because I don't think he can be very good, but b/c I don't think he fills a major need for them and he wasn't a good value at that spot. I think the other picks were mostly ok to good. Just that first pick was a head scratcher for most I think.

 
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Detroit - Grade: A-Can't get less than an A- because they took the best player in the draft. The picks of Stanton and Alama-Francis are also very good. Best pick: JohnsonSteal: Ramirez1.2 - Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2.43 - Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State 2.58 - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Hawaii 2.61 - Gerald Alexander, S Boise State 4.105 - A.J. Davis, CB North Carolina State 4.117 - Manuel Ramirez, OG Texas Tech 5.158 - Johnny Baldwin, LB Alabama A&M 7.255 - Ramzee Robinson, CB Alabama
:hophead: Surprised to see pleasant grades popping up for the Lions. It's just something I'm not used to seeing. I loved the draft this year. A few things irritated me though. I don't mind Stanton, but I wish we hadn't have passed on Posluszny or David Harris in round 2. We could've just as easily picked up Edwards in R3, or maybe even Stanton if he was still there. And Alexander just threw me. Many didn't have him on their board at all, and we gave up a 3 and a 4 to grab him in round 2. Oh well, I'm not the expert. They did the research, they put the effort into it, and if they decide that these players fit their system, I'm happy. Thanks for the effort in all these grades.
I thought that after CJ the Lions blew it.Stanton won't play for 2-3 years and we passed up on a bunch of players that could have been starters on defense,especially either of those linebackers.When it takes you 3 years to win 10 games you should be drafting players that will actually play,not long term projects that may or may not pan out.Trading out of the 34th pick was the worst move,especially when they passed on Harris the 2nd time.Even with CJ I give them a C- :thumbup:
 
I must say that the Packers, to me, had an excellent draft. I think the team is turning the corner [what happens after Favre is another question] and they added a lot of quality depth from big name programs. It wouldn't be out of the question for the Packers to get a half dozen contributors from this draft; and that's pretty darn good.
Which is why Thompson isn't making picks based on Favre. I also think it seems to be a solid draft (only time will tell).
I think the Packers had a draft that may take 2 or 3 years to really pay off.
Which again is what Thompson does. He is looking for solid players that fit their philosophy and is looking long term. Whether or not that is the best approach to keep is job is another question.
I didn't like the Harrell pick..not because I don't think he can be very good, but b/c I don't think he fills a major need for them and he wasn't a good value at that spot. I think the other picks were mostly ok to good. Just that first pick was a head scratcher for most I think.
Again, Thompson isn't going for need. I've said it in other threads as well. When need meets BPA (as with Hawk last year) all the better. Thompson thought Harrell was a Top 10 talent and took him for that reason. It sounds as though other teams were also interested, so 16 may not have been that much of a reach.
 
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Detroit - Grade: A-Can't get less than an A- because they took the best player in the draft. The picks of Stanton and Alama-Francis are also very good. Best pick: JohnsonSteal: Ramirez1.2 - Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2.43 - Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State 2.58 - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Hawaii 2.61 - Gerald Alexander, S Boise State 4.105 - A.J. Davis, CB North Carolina State 4.117 - Manuel Ramirez, OG Texas Tech 5.158 - Johnny Baldwin, LB Alabama A&M 7.255 - Ramzee Robinson, CB Alabama
:thumbup: Surprised to see pleasant grades popping up for the Lions. It's just something I'm not used to seeing. I loved the draft this year. A few things irritated me though. I don't mind Stanton, but I wish we hadn't have passed on Posluszny or David Harris in round 2. We could've just as easily picked up Edwards in R3, or maybe even Stanton if he was still there. And Alexander just threw me. Many didn't have him on their board at all, and we gave up a 3 and a 4 to grab him in round 2. Oh well, I'm not the expert. They did the research, they put the effort into it, and if they decide that these players fit their system, I'm happy. Thanks for the effort in all these grades.
I thought that after CJ the Lions blew it.Stanton won't play for 2-3 years and we passed up on a bunch of players that could have been starters on defense,especially either of those linebackers.When it takes you 3 years to win 10 games you should be drafting players that will actually play,not long term projects that may or may not pan out.Trading out of the 34th pick was the worst move,especially when they passed on Harris the 2nd time.Even with CJ I give them a C- :wall:
Not drafting a linebacker was puzzling. But Alama-Francis should start somewhere in the next year or so - either at DT or DE. And I think Ramirez was a steal at the spot they got him.The Alexander pick was a head scratcher, though.
 
I'm still shocked that the Childress Regime earned an A+. I never saw it coming.
The value I believe they got out of the 3-6 picks bumps it up big time in my eyes.McCauley and Alexander are both fantastic fits to the Tampa 2. Robison will be a good reserve at worst. And I thought Allison was a late 2nd/early 3rd type guy.
 
I'm still shocked that the Childress Regime earned an A+. I never saw it coming.
The value I believe they got out of the 3-6 picks bumps it up big time in my eyes.McCauley and Alexander are both fantastic fits to the Tampa 2. Robison will be a good reserve at worst. And I thought Allison was a late 2nd/early 3rd type guy.
I agree with everything you said. I just never had faith in them taking the right guy at the right time and with value in mind. Doesn't mean any of them will work out but they sure look to have drafted with both need and value in mind.Loving the Alexander pick. Obviously he went 6th round for a reason but I'm excited to see if he can out perform the scouting reports.It was going to take a lot to get me interested in the Vikes again and this did it.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Detroit - Grade: A-Can't get less than an A- because they took the best player in the draft. The picks of Stanton and Alama-Francis are also very good. Best pick: JohnsonSteal: Ramirez1.2 - Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech 2.43 - Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State 2.58 - Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Hawaii 2.61 - Gerald Alexander, S Boise State 4.105 - A.J. Davis, CB North Carolina State 4.117 - Manuel Ramirez, OG Texas Tech 5.158 - Johnny Baldwin, LB Alabama A&M 7.255 - Ramzee Robinson, CB Alabama
:lmao: Surprised to see pleasant grades popping up for the Lions. It's just something I'm not used to seeing. I loved the draft this year. A few things irritated me though. I don't mind Stanton, but I wish we hadn't have passed on Posluszny or David Harris in round 2. We could've just as easily picked up Edwards in R3, or maybe even Stanton if he was still there. And Alexander just threw me. Many didn't have him on their board at all, and we gave up a 3 and a 4 to grab him in round 2. Oh well, I'm not the expert. They did the research, they put the effort into it, and if they decide that these players fit their system, I'm happy. Thanks for the effort in all these grades.
I thought that after CJ the Lions blew it.Stanton won't play for 2-3 years and we passed up on a bunch of players that could have been starters on defense,especially either of those linebackers.When it takes you 3 years to win 10 games you should be drafting players that will actually play,not long term projects that may or may not pan out.Trading out of the 34th pick was the worst move,especially when they passed on Harris the 2nd time.Even with CJ I give them a C- :lmao:
Not drafting a linebacker was puzzling. But Alama-Francis should start somewhere in the next year or so - either at DT or DE. And I think Ramirez was a steal at the spot they got him.The Alexander pick was a head scratcher, though.
It sure was. We had a draft party. Me and a few fellow Lions fans (the 5 that live here in Virginia :lmao: ) went ape-#### when there was a trade announced, and Detroit was on the clock agian. THen we're like...WHOOOOOOOOOO?????????????
 

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