My take on the Raiders after 2 fake games (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

They don't make the pair of glasses which will make me see the glass as half-full right now.

- First and foremost, I want to throw up watching Aaron Brooks play QB for the team I love. His sideline interview made me especially ill. "I just want to go out there and have fun." No, you #######. You're not there to have fun. You're there to get better and to be a leader and to win games. Nobody cares if you have fun. In fact, please DON'T have fun. Go out there as if this is what you do for a living! And I swear, if I see him smiling when he leaves the field after throwing a pick - like he did in New Orleans - I will drive to wherever they are playing and....... nevermind. I don't feel like getting locked up right now.

- Our offensive line is downright offensive. Coached by all these fantastic former O-linemen, they look sloppy, unprepared and lost. I am P-R-A-Y-I-N-G that they are just "working on things" at this stage. Because I'll tell you right now, if this continues into the regular season, this team won't win 4 games. They are getting sodomized with all the defensive jailbreaks.

- Someone else in my league can draft Randy Moss too high. I have no faith in any QB on Oakland's roster. This team is going to lose, Randy will "be Randy" and get frustrated, and he'll be in another uniform in '07.

- Did Warren Sapp EAT Ted Washington in the offseason??? :X

- You know things are bad when your best player is your punter. SeaBass looks like he's finally going to be the kicker that the Raiders selected two picks before Shaun Alexander in the 2000 draft.

- It's not all bad, however. - I am encouraged by Oakland's starters on defense. They are young and they fly to the ball. There will be lumps for sure due to the youth, but in a couple of years, this has the makings of one of the better defenses in the NFL. Especially if they have another solid draft or two.

- And we still have the best uniforms in the league.

 

[LawFitz]

I pretty much agree.

I've downgraded all Raiders except for Fat Boy. In two games he has made 6 of 6, including 3 50+ yarders. Similar to last years Cards and Rackers, I can see the Raiders moving the ball into scoring range a lot this year, only to be stopped once the field shortens.

I can't remember Sea Bass ever looking this good.

Did you notice how pissed Moss looked tonight? Not good.

 

[Raider Nation]

I should probably address Art Shell while I'm on a roll.

I'm on record as not liking the hire, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For now.

But I'm afraid that this will end badly. It helps greatly to have a bright offensive mind in today's NFL. I would have loved to have a guy like Childress or Kubiak as our coach. Shell is a dinosaur, and I don't even want to talk about OC Tom Walsh. I've already puked enough tonight.

I like the fact that Shell is a disciplinarian, I really do. But hell, Les Steckel was a disciplinarian too. Players today tune out coaches after awhile who rant and are demanding. If he did that and he was a great offensive innovator, I would cut him some slack.

I'm not encouraged right now. Not encouraged at all.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/ga...s-vikings_x.htm

After making his only catch of the game against second-team cornerback Dovonte Edwards in the second quarter, Moss was pulled by coach Art Shell. Moss stormed off the field and threw his helmet in disgust, stewing on the bench for the rest of the game.

 

[Raider Nation]

Did you notice how pissed Moss looked tonight? Not good.

And it's just the preseason! Imagine when the games count.Can you blame him, though? He's a supreme talent, still pretty close to the prime of his career, and he's stuck with absolute garbage at QB. Imagine the things that Mike Martz or Scott Linehan or Tom Moore could do with him? Even with a below-average QB, a good OC and scheme can do wonders.

Moss is in for a long season. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so...

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

 

[Raider Nation]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/ga...s-vikings_x.htm

After making his only catch of the game against second-team cornerback Dovonte Edwards in the second quarter, Moss was pulled by coach Art Shell. Moss stormed off the field and threw his helmet in disgust, stewing on the bench for the rest of the game.

Right on schedule... I'll tell ya right now, you gotta be HIGH to take Moss anywhere near his ADP this year.

 

[LawFitz]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

Bring on Brady Quinn!!!

 

[Raider Nation]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

Hey, why not? I've never been myopic.If we're gonna suck, we might as well suck better than everyone else and rebuild around Mr. Quinn.

 

[wannabee]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

Bring on Brady Quinn!!!

does Weis come with him?

 

[LHUCKS]

Given Moss' recent injury history I wouldn't be throwing Moss the ball in preseason either.

That being said, if Brooks and Shell don't give Moss opportunities to make plays in the regular season they are morons.

Something else to think about, Moss might get his yards because the Raiders will be playing catch up in most second halves. See AZ Cardinals WRs.

 

[Raider Nation]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

Bring on Brady Quinn!!!

Beat me to it. Can he bring Charlie Weis with him???

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Lamont Jordan certainly looks he could be bust-tastic this year. Not liking the change in offensive coordinators at all.

 

[Raider Nation]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

Bring on Brady Quinn!!!

does Weis come with him?

DAMN!You guys are too quick for me....

 

[LHUCKS]

Lamont Jordan certainly looks he could be bust-tastic this year. Not liking the change in offensive coordinators at all.

 

[Kleck]

I got called out today on the boards for ranking Brooks so low.

 

[wannabee]

Look at the bright side, the Raiders will be duking it out with the Bills, Jets and Packers for the number 1 pick.

Bring on Brady Quinn!!!

Beat me to it. Can he bring Charlie Weis with him???

check two posts up

 

[Raider Nation]

Lamont Jordan certainly looks he could be bust-tastic this year. Not liking the change in offensive coordinators at all.

Yep.I have the 1.06 pick in my main league in a couple of weeks.Jordan was one of three guys I was looking at. Not anymore....

 

[shredhead]

- You know things are bad when your best player is your punter. SeaBass looks like he's finally going to be the kicker that the Raiders selected two picks before Shaun Alexander in the 2000 draft.

Even as a Broncos fan, I feel your pain. Can't say I'm sad about it, but I know it's a tough pill to swallow. My wife picked up LaMont as her RB2, so I was hoping for good things from him. Yes, I'm one of the few guys that has a wife thats into fantasy football. I didn't realize that Seabass was picked 2 spots before Alexander. Ouch that one really hurts.

Don't fret, things will turn around the Raiders way eventually. They always do in this age of free agency and parity in the NFL.

 

[Wingnut]

Well, I was HIGH on Moss this year, but maybe Ill be avoiding all of them like the plague this year.

 

[Raider Nation]

I got called out today on the boards for ranking Brooks so low.

If you ranked him 96th, I wouldn't have called you out.

 

[wannabee]

RN, please give a state of the Raida QB for us .... what is the Brooks/Walter situation?

 

[Raider Nation]

- You know things are bad when your best player is your punter. SeaBass looks like he's finally going to be the kicker that the Raiders selected two picks before Shaun Alexander in the 2000 draft.

I didn't realize that Seabass was picked 2 spots before Alexander. Ouch that one really hurts.

Pretty sad, eh?

 

[Raider Nation]

RN, please give a state of the Raida QB for us .... what is the Brooks/Walter situation?

I know no more than you do.My guess?

Brooks starts the first three weeks and stinks up the joint.

Walter starts the following five weeks and stinks up the joint.

Todd Marinovich starts the final 8 games and does pretty well.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I`ll wait and see what there doing by week 4 of the regular season before i push the panic button....whole new team out there guys,it`s called growing pains.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

They don't make the pair of glasses which will make me see the glass as half-full right now.

- First and foremost, I want to throw up watching Aaron Brooks play QB for the team I love. His sideline interview made me especially ill. "I just want to go out there and have fun." No, you #######. You're not there to have fun. You're there to get better and to be a leader and to win games. Nobody cares if you have fun. In fact, please DON'T have fun. Go out there as if this is what you do for a living!

I couldn't agree more. The word I would use is "oblivious". He seemed oblivious on the field and during the interview. I was amused that he even seemed quite happily oblivious to the implications that his backup was having a FAR better day than he was.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Brooks hasn't looked good, but I'm not about to trash a guy with around 3000 regular season attempts over nine preseason attempts. It's just dumb. Nine preseason attempts simply isn't enough.

 

[PahtyTom]

- Our offensive line is downright offensive. Coached by all these fantastic former O-linemen, they look sloppy, unprepared and lost. I am P-R-A-Y-I-N-G that they are just "working on things" at this stage. Because I'll tell you right now, if this continues into the regular season, this team won't win 4 games. They are getting sodomized with all the defensive jailbreaks.

That is the root to most of the problems on offense, but if there is one thing I have faith in with these new coaches, it is getting the line to be decent. There's still plenty of time for that to get better, and that will make the whole offense much better. I know it's not easy, but we all have to be patient at this time of the year.

 

[LawFitz]

- Our offensive line is downright offensive. Coached by all these fantastic former O-linemen, they look sloppy, unprepared and lost. I am P-R-A-Y-I-N-G that they are just "working on things" at this stage. Because I'll tell you right now, if this continues into the regular season, this team won't win 4 games. They are getting sodomized with all the defensive jailbreaks.

That is the root to most of the problems on offense, but if there is one thing I have faith in with these new coaches, it is getting the line to be decent. There's still plenty of time for that to get better, and that will make the whole offense much better. I know it's not easy, but we all have to be patient at this time of the year.

Fair enough, but on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say the Raider Oline is playing at about a 1.5 right now. Gallery and Grove are looking like complete busts so far. Each has looked worse and worse since their rookie year. I think Gallery got beat every way possible tonight. And Grove is just getting manhandled by the toad DTs.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Mike Tirico is pretty f'n vanilla.

For a guy who used to stalk his female producer back in his early days at ESPN, he comes off as the whitest black guy since Michael Jackson.

- You know things are bad when your best player is your punter. SeaBass looks like he's finally going to be the kicker that the Raiders selected two picks before Shaun Alexander in the 2000 draft.

I didn't realize that Seabass was picked 2 spots before Alexander. Ouch that one really hurts.

Pretty sad, eh?

lotta busts in that first round... 2000 was OOOGLY

 

[CalBear]

Did you notice how pissed Moss looked tonight? Not good.

And it's just the preseason! Imagine when the games count.Can you blame him, though? He's a supreme talent, still pretty close to the prime of his career, and he's stuck with absolute garbage at QB. Imagine the things that Mike Martz or Scott Linehan or Tom Moore could do with him? Even with a below-average QB, a good OC and scheme can do wonders.

He should have thought of that before he whined his way out of Minnesota.

 

[joffer]

Lamont Jordan certainly looks he could be bust-tastic this year. Not liking the change in offensive coordinators at all.

not ready to downgrade Jordan yet. he'll still get a ton of touches. but agree it's not looking good right now.

 

[Footballhead]

Here's how I see it: For now, Aaron Brooks looks bad, he has no leadership qualities, never had any...I can't believe he can still smile on standing at the sidelines. Defense - bad. Offense - all we've seen so far is vanilla offense; to early to judge. I think the raiders need to make Jordan the center of their offense, they need to go run heavy with occasional big plays. As stated above, I'm not ready to downgrade Jordan either.

 

[seahawk 17]

I was going to bring up my "Raiders won't win 5 games" thread from last year, but someone said something dumb and got it deleted.

 

[toxicbees]

Raidernation, it's still pre-season. You're overreacting just a little.

Moss is healthy, and could put up a big season. Walter and Brooks are an upgrade on Collins. Huff and Bing look good. The D should keep them in games this year. There are lots of talented WRs behind Moss: Porter, Gabriel, Morant and Whitted. Fargas looks improved and could help carry the load at RB.

 

[justmike73]

Raidernation, it's still pre-season. You're overreacting just a little.Moss is healthy, and could put up a big season. Walter and Brooks are an upgrade on Collins. Huff and Bing look good. The D should keep them in games this year. There are lots of talented WRs behind Moss: Porter, Gabriel, Morant and Whitted. Fargas looks improved and could help carry the load at RB.

Sure Brooks is an upgrade from Collins but the team is in major transition. New (old) coach, new QB, shaky o-line. If you take one guy off the Raiders for fantasy it should be the kicker. My guess is they might get a fair share of feild goal attempts and I am not talking extra points.

 

[BassNBrew]

I should probably address Art Shell while I'm on a roll.

I'm on record as not liking the hire, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For now.

But I'm afraid that this will end badly. It helps greatly to have a bright offensive mind in today's NFL. I would have loved to have a guy like Childress or Kubiak as our coach. Shell is a dinosaur, and I don't even want to talk about OC Tom Walsh. I've already puked enough tonight.

I like the fact that Shell is a disciplinarian, I really do. But hell, Les Steckel was a disciplinarian too. Players today tune out coaches after awhile who rant and are demanding. If he did that and he was a great offensive innovator, I would cut him some slack.

I'm not encouraged right now. Not encouraged at all.

This will continue to be a problem until the NFL stops recycling old black guys instead of giving young white guys a chance.Funny how times change.

 

[Riffraff]

Just building a false sense of security for all the other teams.

Playing 'possum.

An ostrich with it's head in the sand.

A sacrificial bunt.

It's all an illusion, smoke and mirrors.

The mission statement by upper management.

A sleeping giant.

Speaking of sleeping, I better drag my delirious #### to bed.

 

[justmike73]

This will continue to be a problem until the NFL stops recycling old black guys instead of giving young white guys a chance.Funny how times change.

I am white, but your comment is crap. Color has nothing to do with it. A good coach should get the job and color should not be an issue. Don't turn this into white vs. black crap. There is too much money in the NFL and more money for teams that win. That is why I belive team GMs pick coaches that they feel are winners. The fact is that the NFL has more and more African American players, ex-players, and coaches that have become profecient in the game to coach and win. We should not look at race, we should look at leadership and roll models. If a young white guy was qualified to lead a NFL team to a winning season over Art Shell, I am sure he would have gotten the job. The NFL is a business based on winning and run by high powered busniess men. It's not run by a bunch of guys worried about race. Winners and leaders get coaching jobs and there are several "old black guys" that are proven winners and earned their spot as coach. Marvin Lewis comes to mind right away. The "young white guy" will get his chance when he is a proven leader and a roll model that can control his players. Off the top of my head I think of Nick Saban. Anyway, go away with your racist coach perspective.

 

[Raiders Fan]

Well I have a hard time watching them so far this year. I can not believe how bad they are at pass protecting. ALl they do is fold. Gallery gets beat by the simplest moves. For a team that has been working on protecting they did a bad job of scouting the players they got.. On Paper the line shouldn't be that bad.. Yet they can't seem to stop anybody. As for QB. I think Brooks won't last half the year like this. He can't read a D quick enough to survive the onslaught. He will look like last night every week. I am starting to think he was a mistake. Though I really liked the idea of him coming over due to him being more mobile. Walter I think might be their best QB. He seems better at reading a D quicker. If he can only develop some better accuracy I think he will be starting soon. That ball to Morant was beautiful and effortless.

As for Moss well we all know he will be frustrated. I wouldn't draft him either. Jordan I wouldn't move down. They will run him to death. He knows how to grind out yards..

Some other positives. I do believe their D is getting better. They are getting faster and not getting beat deep as bad. Still with no offense they are going to wear down as the season goes on because they will be on the field so long.. I fear this is going to be the worst season ever for the Raiders..

 

[Defending Champs]

I started a new thread before noticing this one, so I guess I can add some fuel to the fire...

I had LaMont Jordan tagged as my #2 RB, but after watching last nights game coupled with the HOF game, Brooks proves to still be a completely useless QB.

I can't beleive how terrible this guy looks at times.

When he was in there, this offense looked like the Ravens offense with Boller behind center. Then miraculously, enter new QB, and good things start to happen.

I am sure that Art Shell won't let Brooks leash go NEAR as long as hard headed Brian Billick did with Boller, but any length of time Brooks is in there, I don't see this offense doing anything.

Add in the penalties, and this team really looked horrible last night. The good news is: It's preseason and penalties are fixable though this team has led the NFL in penalties for the last three years.

This team looked lost last night.

 

[hotboyz]

Here is something I noticed I don't think the raiders offense looks bad because it's pre-season Ithink they are in trouble. If you notice or you can re watch the game pay attention to the QB drops meaning 3 step or 5 step or 7 step drop, Notice that no matter who the QB was for Minnesota when they got to there last step they either threw the ball or took off. When the raiders have the ball the first thing tht jumped out to me was every pass was a 7 step drop that may have worked in the 70's but 7 step drops with today's athletes are almost non-existent but even with those 7 step drops when the qb got back there they still were not ready to release the ball!! This was every Raider QB!! Not to mention on Defense the first team played a lot of 8 man fronts that tells me that the defensive coaches have figured out they are going to have a hard time stopping the run. I expect if they play this way in the regular season they are going to be killed by the big play especially with teams that have TE's that can control the middle of the field ie..Gonzales, and Gates

 

[Doctor Detroit]

ML Brandow says Brooks is the #1 FFL QB. I think they'll be fine.

 

[Godsbrother]

This will continue to be a problem until the NFL stops recycling old black guys instead of giving young white guys a chance.Funny how times change.

 

[nygiants56]

I should probably address Art Shell while I'm on a roll.

I'm on record as not liking the hire, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For now.

But I'm afraid that this will end badly. It helps greatly to have a bright offensive mind in today's NFL. I would have loved to have a guy like Childress or Kubiak as our coach. Shell is a dinosaur, and I don't even want to talk about OC Tom Walsh. I've already puked enough tonight.

I like the fact that Shell is a disciplinarian, I really do. But hell, Les Steckel was a disciplinarian too. Players today tune out coaches after awhile who rant and are demanding. If he did that and he was a great offensive innovator, I would cut him some slack.

I'm not encouraged right now. Not encouraged at all.

the guy hasn't coached in ten years, not really sure why the hired him to begin with..he won't last past this season if things remain as ugly as they currently are..the Raiders look like they could be 1-15, or worse..

not sure there is any fantasy value on that roster, including Jordan..this looks like a team that is going to pass 50+ times a game,since they are likely to be down 35-0 at halftime..

Brady Quinn, get your silver and black ready...

 

[acefootball]

This will continue to be a problem until the NFL stops recycling old black guys instead of giving young white guys a chance.Funny how times change.

I am white, but your comment is crap. Color has nothing to do with it. A good coach should get the job and color should not be an issue. Don't turn this into white vs. black crap. There is too much money in the NFL and more money for teams that win. That is why I belive team GMs pick coaches that they feel are winners. The fact is that the NFL has more and more African American players, ex-players, and coaches that have become profecient in the game to coach and win. We should not look at race, we should look at leadership and roll models. If a young white guy was qualified to lead a NFL team to a winning season over Art Shell, I am sure he would have gotten the job. The NFL is a business based on winning and run by high powered busniess men. It's not run by a bunch of guys worried about race. Winners and leaders get coaching jobs and there are several "old black guys" that are proven winners and earned their spot as coach. Marvin Lewis comes to mind right away. The "young white guy" will get his chance when he is a proven leader and a roll model that can control his players. Off the top of my head I think of Nick Saban. Anyway, go away with your racist coach perspective.

Wow, I am pretty sure B&B was just making a funny. Least thats how I read it.

 

[msommer]

I'm seeing a late Eddie George type year for Lamont right now. 350 touches with an average just over 3 yards (and a cloud of dust). Maybe 4-5 TDs. Sprinkle in 25-35 dumpoffs for 200 yards. Maybe RB2 material. Maybe.

 

[Defending Champs]

This could get out of control in a hurry, I'd end this quickly.

 

[curta269]

They don't make the pair of glasses which will make me see the glass as half-full right now.

- First and foremost, I want to throw up watching Aaron Brooks play QB for the team I love. His sideline interview made me especially ill. "I just want to go out there and have fun." No, you #######. You're not there to have fun. You're there to get better and to be a leader and to win games. Nobody cares if you have fun. In fact, please DON'T have fun. Go out there as if this is what you do for a living! And I swear, if I see him smiling when he leaves the field after throwing a pick - like he did in New Orleans - I will drive to wherever they are playing and....... nevermind. I don't feel like getting locked up right now.

- Our offensive line is downright offensive. Coached by all these fantastic former O-linemen, they look sloppy, unprepared and lost. I am P-R-A-Y-I-N-G that they are just "working on things" at this stage. Because I'll tell you right now, if this continues into the regular season, this team won't win 4 games. They are getting sodomized with all the defensive jailbreaks.

- Someone else in my league can draft Randy Moss too high. I have no faith in any QB on Oakland's roster. This team is going to lose, Randy will "be Randy" and get frustrated, and he'll be in another uniform in '07.

- Did Warren Sapp EAT Ted Washington in the offseason??? :X

- You know things are bad when your best player is your punter. SeaBass looks like he's finally going to be the kicker that the Raiders selected two picks before Shaun Alexander in the 2000 draft.

- It's not all bad, however. - I am encouraged by Oakland's starters on defense. They are young and they fly to the ball. There will be lumps for sure due to the youth, but in a couple of years, this has the makings of one of the better defenses in the NFL. Especially if they have another solid draft or two.

- And we still have the best uniforms in the league.

I agree with you. It is going to be a long season. My over/under on Walter starting at QB is week 6. Brooks is horrible and was the worst off-season signing by any team.

 

[Neo]

I'm no Brooks lover, but damn, the guy has been on his ### for most of preseason....can't blame the qb when the line can't protect him a lick. Blame the line, not Brooks at this point.