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MAC_32

Footballguy
I don't believe in mocks, I believe in rankings. One oddball pick in a mock and an entire draft is thrown out of whack, it can and will happen in the real thing.

QB - QB is weak this year. Fans of teams in need of QB help, I'm sorry. I included the eight players I consider draftable, Erik Ainge was intentionally left off this list. ALl of them will probably be taken earlier than they should be.

1. Matt Ryan BC - Honestly, I don't think he's any better than Henne

2. Chad Henne Michigan - has a tendency to lock onto his target, built to be an NFL QB but won't ever be elite

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3. Josh Johnson San Diego - Mobile and accurate, doesn't look to run first, very smart - some scouts speculate he may be looked at as WR? Hope not, he's a much better passer than Vince Young.

4. Brian Brohm Louisville - not a believer, high probability of being just a system QB, throws too many INT's and cannot make all the throws required of an NFL QB

5. Joe Flacco Delaware - big arm, big project, big upside

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6. John David Booty USC - can throw on the run, but lacks accuracy and I question his toughness

7. Andre Woodson Kentucky - take David Carr, Byron Leftwich, and Tim Couch and throw them in a blender

8. Colt Brennan - combine workout gets him back onto the map, still don't believe in him but in a WCO offense he may at least deserve a shot...but not before the 7th round.

RB - very deep position. I'd be tempted to pass on J Stew and Mendenhall to fill another need and pick up a value at RB later in the draft depending on my team and what's available. There will be some quality players drafted on day 2.

1. DMC Arky - can run in space, but can he run in traffic? I think All Day's better.

2. Rashard Mendenhall Illinois

3. Jonathon Stewart Oregon - Toe surgery was finally the tie breaker between him and Mendenhall

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4. Kevin Smith UCF - if he stayed in school one more year he could've been top 15, kid's got it all

5. Ray Rice Rutgers - no questioning his between the tackles ability but pass catching, pass blocking, and outside the tackles? We don't know. At worst he's another Rudi Johnson, that's not so bad.

6. Matt Forte Tulane - Brandon Jacobs with pass catching hands, a quicker first step, and can run outside the tackles - needs to learn patience though

7. Tashard Choice Ga tech - best suited in ZBS - great center of gravity and cut back ability and can play tough between the tackles, needs to learn patience though

8. Chris Johnson ECU - similar skill set as Felix Jones but has breakaway speed and has proven himself capable of the feature load, dubs as a return specialist too

9. Felix Jones Arky - runs well in space, but can he run in traffic? I don't know. There's not enough samples on him and the ones we have seen are not things he'll be used for in the NFL. I don't think he's worth the risk in round 1. At best he's a change of pace back at the next level.

10. Justin Forsett Cal - not just a 3DRB, best utilized in space, excellent vision, great burst through the hole, runs too upright but doesn't utilize any power in doing so

11. Mike Hart Michigan - other than durability and long speed there's not reason not to like this guy, he'll never be an All Pro but as long as he can stay healthy he'll be a quality NFL back

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12. Ben Jarvus Green Ellis Ole Miss - good balance and power, excellent vision, runs well both between the tackles and outside of them, showed pass catching skills at sr bowl and workouts but weren't utilized at Ole Miss

13. Xavier Omon New Mex St - Lacks long speed but has a good burst through the hole, molded after Priest Holmes but is bigger and runs harder, low center of gravity, good vision, cuts very well, YAC machine, good pass catcher (Big Ups to FBG's profile on this kid I had read about but hadn't seen any footage on)

14. Corey Boyd South Carolina

15. Marcus Thomas UTEP - Runs too upright and lacks explosiveness, but has makeup of potential feature back. High school All American that took until 07 to get it in college - bargain?

16. Jamaal Charles Texas - Tatum Bell II

17. Steve Slaton West Va - 3DRB at best, I think he'll be out of the league by 010

18. Chad Simpson Miss Valley St - 5'8 215 4.37 40, know nothing about him but someone to monitor

WR - a lot of good talent in this draft but no great talent, the top 3 are worthy a 1st round pick but when picking from the 2nd tier I'd try to hold off until at least deep into the 2nd round

1. Mario Manningham Michigan - best WR in the draft, I kind of hoped he had a bad pro day so all the teams that let him slip into round 2 on draft day would look foolish

2. DeSean Jackson Cal - wasn't sold on him at first, but am now. Runs great routes and has return abilities, not just long speed either. If he packs on the lbs could be the next Steve Smith, for now he'll be reserved to the slot

3. Malcom Kelly Ok - the best of the big WR's, knees could be a concern or just a smoke screen

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4. Early Doucet LSU - classic case of scouts putting too much stock into the combine and workouts, if he falls deep into round 2 that would be a mistake

5. LaVelle Hawkins Cal - big time playmaker, will be a great slot option and could be a quality SE

6. Devin Thomas Michigan St - one hit wonder concerns me, I've read he may be a 1st rounder by some, I think that's too much risk

7. James Hardy Indiana - has arguably the most upside but he's raw and he's a project, big red zone target but what else?

8. Jordy Nelson Kansas St - quality possession WR, believe he may be one of the best of it when all is said and done

9. Earl Bennett Vandy - projects to play the slot but possesses the skills to move outside in due time, his 40 hurt his stock but excelled in the more relevant 3 cone drill

10. Donnie Avery Houston - return specialist and a burner, but sloppy route runner and I question his strength off the line (reminds me a lot of Ted Ginn, except Avery will likely be drafted where he should and not reached for like Ginn was)

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11. Danny Amendola Texas Tech - honestly, is he any different than Wes Welker? Not saying he'll succeed like Welker, but he has the makeup for it.

12. Andre Caldwell Florida - see too much Darrell Jackson in him, across the board, still intriguing but probably not worth the price

13. Adrian Arrington Michigan - should have stayed in school another year

14. keenan Burton Kentucky - his body is in shambles but you cannot question his toughness

15. Limas Sweed - measurables are great and all, but if you can't run a good route or catch the ball consistently it doesn't matter

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16. Eddie Royal Va Tech - slot/return specialist

17. Darius Reynaud West Va - believe he has less of a chance of being a part of an offense too

18. Dexter Jackson App St - returner only, but may be a very. very good one.

19. Will Franklin Mizzou - good measurables, but can he be more productive at the next level? Mizzou offense revolving around the TE's made evaluating Franklin difficult

20. Brandon Baezell UCLA - also, good measurables, can he be more productive at the next level?

TE - similar to the WR's, lot of good talent but no great talent. I wouldn't consider any of them until the 3rd round, at least a couple of them will slip.

1. Fred Davis USC - I am uninspired by Davis, don't really get all the love for him, don't see him as much better of an option than the others

2. Martellius Bennett Texas A&M - if you prefer the bigger upside, bigger project Bennett's your guy over Davis - physical freak but very raw - could have used another year in school.

3. Martin Rucker Mizzou - upside of Dallas Clark, under sized and will be more of a receiving threat and less of a blocker

4. Dustin Keller Purdue - similar to Rucker but is an even worse blocker and better in t shirt and shorts than he is on the field

5. Kellen Davis Michigan St - soft hands but won't be effective down the field, great blocking TE and may be drafted as a DE - something to monitor

6. John Carlson Notre Dame - solid blocking TE, but not much of a receiving threat

7. Brad Cottam Tennessee - althletic and has the measurables but on the field he is an unproven commodity

FB

1a. Jacob Hester LSU - multi dimensional

1b. Owen Schmitt West Va - superior run blocker

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3. Peyton Hills Arky - receiving threat, not many schemes conform to his skillset

OT - some quality talent will be available later in the draft, but it wouldn't be a good reason to pass on one of the top guys in round 1 if you have a need at the position

1. Jake Long Michigan - may be best suited to play RT, could be an anchor at LT in the long term

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2. Ryan Clady Boise

3. Chris Williams Vandy - I thought he was going to be a steal months ago, doesn't look like it anymore but he'll still be worth it

4. Sam Baker USC

5. Gosder Cherlius BC - best suited for RT

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6. Carl Nicks Nebraska - not ready yet, but in due time

7. Jeff Otah Pitt

Followed by a lot of equally valued NFL backups with potential, exception being Kirk Barton who will be out of the league by 2011. FBG has done a good job highlighting Demetrius Bell Northwestern and Thaddeus Coleman Miss Valley St, I'm also higher on Tony Hills and ONeil Cousins in the right scheme.

RIP Heath Benedict, I thought he was going to be a day 2 bargain

OG - shallow class, centers aren't very appealing either

1. Brandon Albert Virginia - versatile to play OT too but best suited for OG

2. Chilo Rachal USC

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3. John Greco Toledo - similar to Albert but less pub and elite skillset, should be solid in the NFL though

4. Kerry Brown App St

DE - solid at the top, but lacks girth...you know it when you believe specialists are creeping into the top 7. Those in need really need to gun for those near the top

1. Chris Long Virginia - best player in the draft

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2. Vernon Gholston Ohio St - best fit for 3-4 OLB, could play 4-3 DE but may be limited

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3. Quentin Groves Auburn - best fit for 3-4 OLB, poor and injury riddled 07 campaign but compares to Gholston

4. Derrick Harvey Florida - best fit for 3-4 OLB? Bulked up though. He's certainly not as fast, not surprisingly, but if he wants to play DE he had to.

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5. Lawrence Jackson USC - very under rated, think USC line helped make the LB's look as good as they did. Still, may not have what it takes to be a DE1, more of a complementary player. Motivation's of moderate concern too.

6. Philip Merling Clemson - sports hernia surgery may linger and will hurt draft stock

7. Marcus Howard Georgia - blazing speed but undersized, pass rushing specialist and potential 3-4 OLB conversion

8. Eric Foster Rutgers - fast but under sized pass rushing specialist

9. Calais Campbell Miami - tempted to move this kid down even lower, over rated

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10. Chris Ellis Va Tech

11. Jason Jones Eastern Mich - tempted to move this kid up a tier

12. Cliff Avril Purdue - built more for a 3-4 OLB, but may be a career backup

DT - DEEP after the top 2. Probably wouldn't consider picking one until deeper into round 2.

1a. Glen Dorsey - I'm not concerned about his "injuries"

1b. Sedrick Ellis - still, I'm not convinced Dorsey is better than him, the USC DLine was dominant

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3. Kantwan Balmer UNC - stock rose too quickly for my liking, granted he didn't get much exposure as a Tar Heel but to go from a late 2nd/early 3rd to some places top 10 in two weeks? Nah.

4. Marcus Harrison Arky - run stuffing beast

5. Trevor Laws Notre Dame - a bit undersized but to do what he did last year given his surroundings speaks volumes to this kid's skills

6. Dre Moore Maryland - a less dominant version of Harrison

7. Jason Shirley Fresno - risk/reward pick, we all saw what he's capable of, been following him for a while and just never seems to be on the field. Reminds me of Shaun Rogers.

8. Pat Sims Auburn

9. Red Bryant Texas A&M

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10. Athyba Rubin Iowa St - run stuffer

11. Frank Okam Texas - can play inside in a 4-3 or out in a 3-4

LB - like so many other positions, not much elite talent but a lot of good talent. Lofton is the only one I'd even consider in the 1st and that'd only be if everything went wrong. Lots of quality round 2 and 3 talent though.

1. Curtis Lofton Ok - yes please

2. Dan Connor Penn St - can go inside and out, still have doubts about pass coverage but like most Penn St LB's knows the game very well

3. Keith Rivers USC - had my doubts all year, have this gut feeling his superior play may have been in large part due to the elite DL in front of him, best fit as a SAM

4. Jonathon Goff - no weaknesses in his game

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5. Tavares Gooden Miami - may be limited to a pass rushing specialist but he'll be a damn good one

6 Jerod Mayo Tennessee

7. Victor Adibi Va tech - Solid ball skills, breaks well to it. Slower than most, but should be an average but effective LB in NFL. Nothing special, but good enough to be an avg starter…problem will be how he deals with position change (S in college, LB in pros)

8. Shawn Crable - physical freak, but may be limited to a pass rusher type role

9. Joe Mays North Dakota St - Smart, aggressive, instinctive, struggles in pass coverage but excels stuffing the run

10. Erin Henderson Maryland - for an outside guy doesn't move too well, may be best to add some bulk and move inside

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11. Philip Wheeler Ga Tech - horrible in coverage may be limited to 2 down role, best fit as a 4-3 or Tampa 2 MIKE so if he is a 3 down player could be better in fantasy than real life

12. Jordan Dizon Colorado - he'll be drafted by a Tampa 2 team and be servicable

13. Wesley Woodyard - Quality cover LB, good speed and agility, changes direction well but gets swallowed up when rushing the line and is a bit underzied

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14. Steve Octavian - has the tools but cannot stay healthy

15. Ali Highsmith - awful offseason and disappeared for long periods of time in-season, may be a lost cause but has shown glimpses

16. J Lehman Illinois - his player profile picture is. um. interesting...

CB - DEEP class. Another position in which I'd be tempted to pass on the BPA, address, another need, and snatch a value later

1. Aqib Talib Kansas - I see Antoine Winfield

2. Leodis McKlevin Troy - McLovin!

3. Dominique Rogers Cromartie Tennessee St - he'll be drafted before I'd be ready to, shows the tools but lacks on the field product

4. Mike Jenkins USF

5. Antoine Cason Arizona - 2-4 are interchangeable at this point, Cason's a step down due to his lack of speed, best fit as a cover 2 CB and should be a good one

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6. Brandon Flowers Va Tech - a slightly slower version of Cason

7. Chevis Jackson LSU - needs to refine his form as his aggressiveness leaves him prone to PI, but he has the tools and heart to be successful

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8. Patrick Lee Auburn

9. Charles Godfrey Iowa - great recovery speed and tenacious, still raw and needs work but the sky's the limit

10. Antwaun Molden E Kentucky - good measurables, above avg size, fast, good in run D, why's he being projected in day 2?

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11. Tracy Porter - at best he's another Dre Bly

12. Justin King Penn St - big upside, but stuggles mightily with big physical WRs. Could have used another year in school.

13. Trae Williams South Fla

14. DeJuan Tribble BC - dominated Dorien Bryant? But against better competition he looks foolish, think he's at best a #2 and more likely a journeyman

15. Justin Tryon Az St - smaller version of Tracy Porter but will be much cheaper

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16. terrance Wheatley Colorado - always seems to be around the ball, never seems to finish plays, could be scheme related or he could just lack decisiveness

17. Terrell Thomas - will be drafted too early and should be out of the league by 010, bites on fakes too easily, doesn't change directions well, poor ball skills, decent college career likely due to guys in front of him on defense

18. Brian Witherspoon - 4.2 40, but can he play football?

S - very thin position this year, Phillips...then the rest. I have a couple guys, but beyond that? Career backups.

1. Kenny Phillips Miami - Ed Reed clone

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2. Marcus Griffin texas

3. Tom Zbikowski Notre Dame

4. DJ Parker Va Tech

 
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B Maverick

Footballguy
Mike Hart is too high. Hes too small and has a lot of wear and tear on him already. He wont be #5 on the rb draft list.

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Mike Hart is too high. Hes too small and has a lot of wear and tear on him already. He wont be #5 on the rb draft list.
He has too much upside for me to justify putting him any lower. He's as tough a runner as there is in the draft and has the vision and cut back ability to be a feature back...if he could stay healthy. Very well could be the next Chris Perry, but there's no denying his skills. That said, I likely won't be drafting him. If I had a mid first rounder in a rookie draft I would aggressively pursue a trade.
Does anyone think Felix Jones can work his way to RB3 with a great combine or is he locked at 4?
If some combo of Felix is out of his head at the combine and his pro day and one of J Stew or Mendenhall fall flat on their face, yes. The lack of an on-the-field featured back product probably keeps Felix out of the top 3.
 

Crippler

IBL Representative
Great read. May not agree with all but very nicely written up. Where was this earlier when I did a 64 pick mock draft for my dynasty league for one of my buddies.

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Crippler said:
Great read. May not agree with all but very nicely written up. Where was this earlier when I did a 64 pick mock draft for my dynasty league for one of my buddies.
Should have waited until after the Senior Bowl :thumbup: I've been a long term lurker, love what you guys have going in here.
 

sheerterror

Footballguy
Nice list. I don't know nearly enough to comment on these rankings, but it's definitely opened my eyes to a lot of guys I wouldn't have known much about otherwise.

 

ConstruxBoy

Kate's Daddy
Gamma1210 said:
Does anyone think Felix Jones can work his way to RB3 with a great combine or is he locked at 4?
My opinion is that at the combine in speed, quickness and lateral movement drills, Stewart will look better than Mendenhall. I think Jones will likely also look better than Mendenhall. Whether that will/should move him to 3rd is anyone's guess.
 

EBF

Footballguy
MAC_32 said:
Mike Hart is too high. Hes too small and has a lot of wear and tear on him already. He wont be #5 on the rb draft list.
He has too much upside for me to justify putting him any lower. He's as tough a runner as there is in the draft and has the vision and cut back ability to be a feature back...if he could stay healthy. Very well could be the next Chris Perry, but there's no denying his skills.
I hereby deny Mike Hart's skills. IMO he is strictly a backup at the NFL level. He doesn't have the burst/explosiveness to be a starter. Nice job on the rankings though. A few points:

- I would put Stewart in the same tier as McFadden. I know McFadden is going to be drafted higher in the NFL, but there isn't a single top 20 RB with a BMI as low as McFadden's whereas Stewart appears to have a much better body type for the pro game. You can make a pretty strong case that Stewart has more FF value than Run DMC.

- Note sure about your WR rankings. I'm still doing my homework on the WRs, but I'm having a tough time getting excited about Manningham and Doucet. Hardy is intriguing, but tall WRs tend to be a mixed bag at the NFL level. Can he run the short routes? Can he beat man coverage? I think the real value in this WR crop is in the 2nd-3rd round types. There are some intriguing players in that range.

 

Mr. Peterson

Footballguy
MAC_32 said:
Mike Hart is too high. Hes too small and has a lot of wear and tear on him already. He wont be #5 on the rb draft list.
He has too much upside for me to justify putting him any lower. He's as tough a runner as there is in the draft and has the vision and cut back ability to be a feature back...if he could stay healthy. Very well could be the next Chris Perry, but there's no denying his skills.
- Note sure about your WR rankings. I'm still doing my homework on the WRs, but I'm having a tough time getting excited about Manningham and Doucet. Hardy is intriguing, but tall WRs tend to be a mixed bag at the NFL level. Can he run the short routes? Can he beat man coverage? I think the real value in this WR crop is in the 2nd-3rd round types. There are some intriguing players in that range.
That's whay I'm kinda hoping the Bills find great value in the 1st that's not a WR and then get a good WR in the 2nd (or 3rd).Let's hope S.Ellis falls for some crazy reason!

 
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awesomeness

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MAC_32 said:
Mike Hart is too high. Hes too small and has a lot of wear and tear on him already. He wont be #5 on the rb draft list.
He has too much upside for me to justify putting him any lower. He's as tough a runner as there is in the draft and has the vision and cut back ability to be a feature back...if he could stay healthy. Very well could be the next Chris Perry, but there's no denying his skills.
- Note sure about your WR rankings. I'm still doing my homework on the WRs, but I'm having a tough time getting excited about Manningham and Doucet. Hardy is intriguing, but tall WRs tend to be a mixed bag at the NFL level. Can he run the short routes? Can he beat man coverage? I think the real value in this WR crop is in the 2nd-3rd round types. There are some intriguing players in that range.
That's whay I'm kinda hoping the Bills find great value in the 1st that's not a WR and then get a good WR in the 2nd (or 3rd).Let's hope S.Ellis falls for some crazy reason!
:yawn: Wishful thinking, i can see him going top 5, and even #1 overall if the Dolphins cant trade and want to go 3-4.
 

MAC_32

Footballguy
- Note sure about your WR rankings. I'm still doing my homework on the WRs, but I'm having a tough time getting excited about Manningham and Doucet. Hardy is intriguing, but tall WRs tend to be a mixed bag at the NFL level. Can he run the short routes? Can he beat man coverage? I think the real value in this WR crop is in the 2nd-3rd round types. There are some intriguing players in that range.
When Manningham runs a 4.3 at the combine you'll be sold on him, just need to get by his newfound propensity for dropping the football. Early has the best combo of speed and athletic ability in the draft, is the best route runner of anyone currently being considered in the 1st round, has excellent hands, and is not afraid to take a hit [read, go over the middle].Hardy dominates smaller corners [read, Justin King], but can be contained against bigger, more physical corners [read, Ikaguando - I was real high on this kid too, some team may find themselves a steal in 7th if they pick this kid up and IR him for the year]. He's a red zone beast, I see Plaxico-like upside with him, but his route running is a work-in-process. All that said, I agree with you about the value in rounds 2 and 3. I believe Early can be a franchise WR, but the others are less of a sure thing. They have upside, but they're plenty of negatives about all of them. Donnie Avery's sounding like with a good combine he could push for the 1st round, I like him, but later round values may be had in LaVelle Hawkins, Jordy Nelson, and dare I say Andre Caldwell - after all he is a Florida WR, among others.
 

Crippler

IBL Representative
Crippler said:
Great read. May not agree with all but very nicely written up. Where was this earlier when I did a 64 pick mock draft for my dynasty league for one of my buddies.
Should have waited until after the Senior Bowl :thumbup: I've been a long term lurker, love what you guys have going in here.
LOL. Nope, I just did it probably a half hour before you posted this. had to go do my own research for the 3rd and 4th round players. :ptts:
 

Crippler

IBL Representative
MAC_32 said:
Mike Hart is too high. Hes too small and has a lot of wear and tear on him already. He wont be #5 on the rb draft list.
He has too much upside for me to justify putting him any lower. He's as tough a runner as there is in the draft and has the vision and cut back ability to be a feature back...if he could stay healthy. Very well could be the next Chris Perry, but there's no denying his skills.
- Note sure about your WR rankings. I'm still doing my homework on the WRs, but I'm having a tough time getting excited about Manningham and Doucet. Hardy is intriguing, but tall WRs tend to be a mixed bag at the NFL level. Can he run the short routes? Can he beat man coverage? I think the real value in this WR crop is in the 2nd-3rd round types. There are some intriguing players in that range.
Mayock had Manningham #1 on his WR list. Donnie Avery was #5.
 

Gamma1210

Footballguy
Thanks a lot for the effort into this. I still have a lot of research to do and now I have an outline. I am curious of your low ranking of Ray Rice. I have seen him as high as RB4 and I think if he times well he will be right in the mix for RB5-7.

 

FUBAR

Footballguy
Thanks a lot for the effort into this. I still have a lot of research to do and now I have an outline. I am curious of your low ranking of Ray Rice. I have seen him as high as RB4 and I think if he times well he will be right in the mix for RB5-7.
:shrug: I like Rice as much as any RB short of Mac and Stew.
 

domvin

Footballguy
Forte is going to be moving up this list, 6'2, 220. Chris Johnson will earn some dough at the combine with a 4.2ish 40, but is he another Chris Henry? not much of an in between the tackles type runner

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Thanks a lot for the effort into this. I still have a lot of research to do and now I have an outline. I am curious of your low ranking of Ray Rice. I have seen him as high as RB4 and I think if he times well he will be right in the mix for RB5-7.
Why do I have Forsett, Choice, Hart, and Chris Johnson ahead of him?Hart - has the most upside of all of them, but likely carries the most risk. Someone mentioned previously he lacked breakaway speed - I do not disagree - but he has deceptive speed. He does a great job setting up his opponent to manufacture additional yardage. He won't burn off many 80 yarders, but he has the ability to turn 5 yard gains into 10 yarders with relative frequency.Choice - all dependent on him going to a ZBS, which I expect. He is made for the ZBS, but if he's drafted into another scheme he'll get bumped down my board. *cough* HOUSTON *cough cough*Forsett - better pass blocker, can catch the ball, not afraid to run through defenders, has better vision, and did his college ball damage against both better talent and behind a weaker OLine. Chris Johnson - you could say I'm a sucker for the wildcards. I believe he will be more important to an actual team than your fantasy team, but I believe he'll be a better NFL player than Rice; just needs to be drafted into the right scheme. I don't compare him to Chris Henry, who has absolutely dreadful vision and was deemed "uncoachable" by his college coaching staff. He could be lethal as a half return specialst/half big play RB.--------In the end, with Ray Rice, I see a Rudi Johnson ceiling, and that's only if he ever toughens up and tries to run through defenders instead of around them likely he routinely did through his collegiate career.
 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Updated 3/27, admittedly some of you guys have sold me on a few of your ideals but not Super Mario, poor 40 and all. Thoughts? Comments?

 

EBF

Footballguy
I like that you've been bold enough to make some unconventional picks. It's easy to get sucked into the trap of ranking all these prospects exactly where all the experts rank them, but we KNOW it's not going to work out that way. I don't necessarily agree with some of the guys you have ranked high (Manningham, Smith, Doucet, J. Johnson, etc), but at least you had the stones to stick with your gut.

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
I like that you've been bold enough to make some unconventional picks. It's easy to get sucked into the trap of ranking all these prospects exactly where all the experts rank them, but we KNOW it's not going to work out that way. I don't necessarily agree with some of the guys you have ranked high (Manningham, Smith, Doucet, J. Johnson, etc), but at least you had the stones to stick with your gut.
Thanks, it's difficult to resist that force at times. My first go at this was some combo of following the think tank and putting some of "my guys" too high. I think this list is much improved. Still may need some work, but there's still many more evaluations to go.And Josh Johnson was more of a by default pick at #3, I don't believe in the QB's behind them. Maybe Flacco, but he needs a lot of work.
 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Thoughts as in, you're a Michigan fan?
Fan? Yes. Do I believe I can put my bias aside when doing this? Also, yes. See, Mike Hart's ranking. My "fan" ranking had him way too high on my first go at this, the bottom of tier 2 is more appropriate. Adams too. You don't see his name anywhere do you? He falls into that career backup grouping at S.
 

TheGreatest

Footballguy
Safeties.....

Where is DaJuan Morgan (NC State) and Reggie Smith (Oklahoma)....I think both of these guys fall right behind K. Phillips....

 

MAC_32

Footballguy
Safeties.....Where is DaJuan Morgan (NC State) and Reggie Smith (Oklahoma)....I think both of these guys fall right behind K. Phillips....
I don't think either of them are going to be that good. For a defense that has been bad on the field NC State sure has churned out several draft picks as of late, I believe in Lawson and Mario but the rest? No. Good measurables don't necessarily lead to success on the field. I don't think Smith's transition to S will be a good one, he's likely going to lose a step if he bulks up (which he'll have to do) and for a relatively slow safety one must be more disciplined than he is. I saw him out of position trying to make a play all too often, that's something he got away with in college but in the NFL? I doubt it.
 

mdog1967

Footballguy
Thanks a lot for the effort into this. I still have a lot of research to do and now I have an outline. I am curious of your low ranking of Ray Rice. I have seen him as high as RB4 and I think if he times well he will be right in the mix for RB5-7.
Why do I have Forsett, Choice, Hart, and Chris Johnson ahead of him?Hart - has the most upside of all of them, but likely carries the most risk. Someone mentioned previously he lacked breakaway speed - I do not disagree - but he has deceptive speed. He does a great job setting up his opponent to manufacture additional yardage. He won't burn off many 80 yarders, but he has the ability to turn 5 yard gains into 10 yarders with relative frequency.Choice - all dependent on him going to a ZBS, which I expect. He is made for the ZBS, but if he's drafted into another scheme he'll get bumped down my board. *cough* HOUSTON *cough cough*Forsett - better pass blocker, can catch the ball, not afraid to run through defenders, has better vision, and did his college ball damage against both better talent and behind a weaker OLine. Chris Johnson - you could say I'm a sucker for the wildcards. I believe he will be more important to an actual team than your fantasy team, but I believe he'll be a better NFL player than Rice; just needs to be drafted into the right scheme. I don't compare him to Chris Henry, who has absolutely dreadful vision and was deemed "uncoachable" by his college coaching staff. He could be lethal as a half return specialst/half big play RB.--------In the end, with Ray Rice, I see a Rudi Johnson ceiling, and that's only if he ever toughens up and tries to run through defenders instead of around them likely he routinely did through his collegiate career.
Great job!! I like Devin Tomas, Hardy, and Jordy Nelson going into this draft at the Top of the WR rankings, preference and not meant to suggest that they should all be taken ahead of the others. I think DMAC should be moved to the second tier, only because I think he has a lot of bust potential but I could not have done a better job. Really enjoyed your commentary and analysis. Look forward to your future posts.P.S. Just re-watched the Jordy Nelson Highlights and man can that guy play ball. I cant figure out who he reminds me of, not Ed McCaffrey, but a little like a hybrid Dwayne Bowe/Wes Welker mix.
 

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thanks... lots of goodness here... will come back later to enjoy a 2nd helping...

 
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