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6 and 7....I'd say I have them pretty close
He looked great against a great team, on the road, without his best wr. Why wouldn't you have him high?
Rodgers did look good but I just would feel more comfortable with Brett.If Farve is mention then where the hell is Rodgers? I'm offended by this oversight.
As long as McNabb can stay healthy he's in my top 3. He looked great and I know it was just against the Rams but McNabb has always had a top 3 season going until the injury bug gets him.
I like Rivers but I don't like his opportunity. The Chargers still are a run first team and will be as lkong as LT can walk. Rivers just doesn't get enough opportunities for me. He reminds me a lot of Aikman in that reasoning. Aikman was a great qb but the offense went through Emmitt.
Give Warner some time. As long as he stays healthy he will end up in the top ten. I think that Niners' D might be a sleeper this year.
Thank you for your wonderful opinion
fla\/\/s:No Rodgers, CasselIn approximate tiers....RomoBreesP ManningMcNabbCutlerBenRodgersCassel, Warner, Palmer, Favre, Kitna, AndersonDelhomme, Eli, Rivers, Schaub, Bulger, Edwards, Hasselback, GarrardThe RestThe difference between tiers 4 and 5 is upside. Individual player risks must be compared ultimately by intuition.
Not opinion my friend, those are actual stats. I notice that the OP is just loaded with statistical information and no opinion at all. Sincerely,The KettleBlackjacks said:
Fact - Warner threw 29 td's without playing a whole season last yearFact - He has 2 ultra studs at wideoutFact - He doesn't have a stud rbFact - He plays a very week scheduleFact - His defensive isn't dominating by any means which is going to keep him passing all gameFact - He is driven knowing Leinart could be in at any time due to his screw upThese are all facts
He's not gonna finish in the top 3 this year, even if he stays healthy. The Rams were satisfied with putting 8 in the box and every deep pass that Mcnabb took was completed. That isn't going to happen again. He will finish no higher than #6. That's just how it is.Blackjacks said:
AZ/Whisenhut want to run the ball more to control the clock and that was evident against San Fran. I'm not saying they won't have games where he'll air it out or that Edge/Hightower can sustain drives but I wasn't as excited watching him as I was last year.Blackjacks said:
And he has not started a game since 1999...and yes...VBD is a ridiculously blind NE homer.
What are your thoughts on him Switz?Also if Yudkin see's this. How do you guys see Cassell fitting in for hear on out? Top 15 top 20
Ugh. Was wondering about this.. You are the first ive seen mention it supermark but to the extent that they are in close games i was wondering if we wouldnt see them finally run more.. including this weekend vs Miami.:wait and see:
At the very least two of those are opinions, and only one of them is a statistical fact. Public education is not doing our nation any favors.Warner in a top ten, assuming you are projecting total fantasy points at the end of the year, is a huge stretch in my opinion.
You've got one fact there... you can go look up the 29 TDs and see that it occurred in less than 16 games.The rest are opinions.
Clipped from another site:At halftime of their Week One game against San Francisco, Arizona coach Ken Whisenhunt and offensive coordinator Todd Haley decided to open up the attack. They used more multiple-receiver sets and called for passes on nine of the first 10 plays. QB Kurt Warner responded with a solid if unspectacular game: 19-of-30, 197 yards, a TD and no interceptions. Warner admitted that trying to run a more balanced offense (Whisenhunt wants to run the ball) is going to be frustrating at times. "We're so good at throwing the football and when we don't do that and we're not able to get into a rhythm, it's frustrating for me out there
The stats don't say Fitz and Boldin are great?Has Edge put up great #'s the last 2 years?Weak schedule, well I guess that is opinion but a fact is they play in the NFC West where all other three teams got slaughtered this week and they get 5 more games against them.It can be definetly prooven that there d hasn't been dominating the last few yearsI guess it's an opinion that Warner is thriving due to the young 1st round draft pick sitting on the bench making on that money just waiting for him to screw up.
It's hard to say... there's little to no film on him at all...He's in a great system for QBs... short, easy decisions... he has one of the best WRs in the history for the game. I think he'll do well. He may even end up top-10 at some point... just not yet.
Ranked 28 and 32 in my league. Sure they are very talented but the numbers they were able to put up against a mediocre (at best) defense were not "great". And you used the term "ultra stud", and the very definition of that term is an opinion.
So the actual performance last week of all other teams is relevant but the output of the individuals on the Cards was a fluke and can be dismissed? Sounds like a double standard to me.
But you stated that this means they will rely on the pass because of it. This is not even an opinion, rather a speculation. Not a "fact" at all.
Yes, it very much is. It assumes several things:First that you can read his mind.Second that he can turn on his ability to "thrive" at will.Third, it assumes that the 20th ranked QB in FF points is "thriving".You don't take criticism well, is that you Vince Young?
I don't get that. He has always put up big numbers when healthy. If he plays 16 games, he's a mortal lock for top five.
I think more of the concern lies in the change of philosophy in Arizona. Whiz wants to run the ball (the reason why Grimm tagged along) and if the defense continues to improve and Edge/Hightower combo can keep drives alive you may see a dip in Warner's numbers. Also,some owners are concerned about Leinart,it's a long season and you still may see Arizona switch back to Leinart.jeez...some of u guys must have gotten burned by Warner in the past or something...lets just say Warner helped me win my league last season with his lights out playing the second half of the year...when he`s on he`s great ...when he`s not he`s average(usually due to an injury)...hard to argue about 300 yards and double digit TD`s on average
i agree to some extent....i can see arizona coming out firing in future games , try and get a lead and THEN run the ball time after time...the defense is still a work in progress although they do look better...M.L will never see the field unless Warner gets hurt...imo of course.I think more of the concern lies in the change of philosophy in Arizona. Whiz wants to run the ball (the reason why Grimm tagged along) and if the defense continues to improve and Edge/Hightower combo can keep drives alive you may see a dip in Warner's numbers. Also,some owners are concerned about Leinart,it's a long season and you still may see Arizona switch back to Leinart.jeez...some of u guys must have gotten burned by Warner in the past or something...lets just say Warner helped me win my league last season with his lights out playing the second half of the year...when he`s on he`s great ...when he`s not he`s average(usually due to an injury)...hard to argue about 300 yards and double digit TD`s on average
You argue like your a woman. The first couple are facts
Wasn't Whiz and Grimm there last year?I think more of the concern lies in the change of philosophy in Arizona. Whiz wants to run the ball (the reason why Grimm tagged along) and if the defense continues to improve and Edge/Hightower combo can keep drives alive you may see a dip in Warner's numbers. Also,some owners are concerned about Leinart,it's a long season and you still may see Arizona switch back to Leinart.jeez...some of u guys must have gotten burned by Warner in the past or something...lets just say Warner helped me win my league last season with his lights out playing the second half of the year...when he`s on he`s great ...when he`s not he`s average(usually due to an injury)...hard to argue about 300 yards and double digit TD`s on average
I agree on the DelHomme. Jake is going to be a a steal for whoever drafted him this year.
who cares about the real NFL?????
Your grammar is as great as your logic.
Two "ultra stud" receivers? You think this is a fact? In order for it to be a fact there can be no objectivity involved. I am sorry, but this fails the test. As I said originally, there is one fact in your original list. Most of the rest are opinions with some speculation thrown in.Warner does not belong on this list.
He didn't look great to me and he completed 56% of his passes for 6.0 yards yards/attempt.
According to MFL ADP data, Fitzgerald was the #5 WR off the board, and Boldin the #15. I would say that supports that AZ has two STUD WRs.
can we NOW include Warner in the top 10 QB list for week 3jeez...some of u guys must have gotten burned by Warner in the past or something...lets just say Warner helped me win my league last season with his lights out playing the second half of the year...when he`s on he`s great ...when he`s not he`s average(usually due to an injury)...hard to argue about 300 yards and double digit TD`s on average
Let's see...CutlerRomoBreesRodgersManningMcNabbWarnerRoethFavreDelhommeKitnaYep, Kurt is now the #7 QB going forward, in the all important "my opinion" rankings.I look for Cassel to have 2.5 TDs against Miami next week, at which point he slides in right after Big Ben to give you the top 12.BustedKnuckles said:can we NOW include Warner in the top 10 QB list for week 3jeez...some of u guys must have gotten burned by Warner in the past or something...lets just say Warner helped me win my league last season with his lights out playing the second half of the year...when he`s on he`s great ...when he`s not he`s average(usually due to an injury)...hard to argue about 300 yards and double digit TD`s on average
All except the last one are facts...
