Scotsman--not making this a rivalry thing either, but I have never heard of the hit causing the end of MD's college career. I do know what hit you're speaking of, just never knew it ended his playing days. Who are the several Sooners who told ya this? I am just curious, not flaming, since I'm not aware of it.Dupree did not play at Southern Miss, you're correct, I didn't say he did, I simply stated he transferred there to be closer to home. Problems w/Marcus had been going on between him & Barry up to the UT game & his lack of work ethic was causing problems but Barry was also a whore for talent, so he put up w/it longer.Good luck tomorrow, I'm looking for a great game. Benson is going to have to have a good one for the Horns to win. He's having a great year thus far. Would be nice to see AD step up to the plate. I have a feeling he will make a few nice plays but the game will rest on Jason White.
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My Top 8 college RB's - Impact Pro's NEXT YEAR! (1 Viewer)
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ILUVBEER99
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For all those in dynasty leagues, the 2007 1st pick is going to be worth a boatload.Adrian Peterson is the once in every 10 years type talent at the RB position.He's already a man amongst boys at the college level. Texas has a solid defense and it looks like Peterson is playing backyard football against a Special Olympics squad.No offense to the Special Olympics, it's just an illustration of how much better A-Pete is compared to the competition. It's that drastic.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
I agree completely in regards to Peterson being that special kind of back. He is in the same class as...Eric DickersonBarry SandersHe looks awesome against the Longhorns. Unbelievable mix of speed, balance and strength.
Adrian Peterson could play in the NFL next week and not look too much out of place.LB Derrick Johnson is a ridiculous talent as well. 7 FF in 5 games this year.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:Well, after watching the OU/ut game I was wrong. AD was the difference! What a true stud. Ran over around & through a pretty tough horn D. Scotsman, are you a believer now, or is UT not as good as advertised?? I think Ut is pretty solid, maybe you don't. AD looked tough as nails today. Would you personally say he is better than Ced? I have said in several other posts...the kid is extraordinary! If he stays healthy...who knows what will happen! I guess if USC has 3 backs better than him, 
than we all may as well agree sc is the best of all time. 
No one else would like to face a fourth stringer like Peterson! 
than we all may as well agree sc is the best of all time. No one else would like to face a fourth stringer like Peterson! 
the hairy scotsman
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Well, I was pretty much a believer before...there is a reason we recruited him so hard, along with y'all. I just wanted to see what he could do against real D1 competition. Today I saw it, in person. Just got back to Austin from the fairgrounds. AD was outstanding. The biggest thing that jumped out at me was his great balance for a guy his size.I think he looked a little better than Ced, when you take into account the differences in the defenses they played against and the OLs they bere running behind. In other words, I think if you had them swap teams today, I think the results would have been very similar (Ced going big behind the OU line against the Texas D, and AD prolly breaking 100 in a losing effort playing for Texas). Ced was running against a better defense than ours (although ours played a very tough game). Thing is, Ced's a senior and AD's a freshman, and I'd still give a slight edge to AD, even though Ced's been outstanding thus far.Good luck to your boys the rest of the way. Looks like we have most of our coaching problems fixed, with the hires of Robinson, Tomey, and McWhorter, and the RB coach from LSU. Hopefully we can face y'all with a competent OC next time. If this doesn't convince Mack that Greg Davis is an absolute fool, I don't know what will. The OU d was just daring us to throw over the top all day, esp to the TEs, and we just politely declined.
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You're probably right on your assessment of the coaches at Ut. I think they played tougher. Greg Davis is not the answer as 95% of Horn fans know, but OU's D was outstanding today. How hot does the seat get for Mack? Or does he have most of the alumni/boosters still fooled? Tell ya what, the B12 South is pretty solid....can't say the same for the North. Good luck the rest of the way. We still have two tough ones at aTm & at Osu. If Ou survives those, looks like it will be v. Sc (you know that team where Peterson would be 4th string 
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Well, he definitely isn't fooling the alumni, as most of us have been calling for his head for years. There are fantastic OCs out there who woulda killed to coach the talent on offense that Greg was blessed with the past few years, and he's just squandered it.Thing is, the big money boosters and university admin seem happy with the butts in the seats and the money he's bringing in...so...maybe he gets away with another year or two by sacrificing Greg Davis and getting a real OC...if he can bring himself to cut away his third leg, something he has proven so far that he just will not do.
Tenacious D
Footballguy
The top underclassmen eligible AND likely to come out, in no particular order:Marion Barber - saw what happen to Terry Jackson when Barber outperformed him, doesn't want to stick around and see that happen to him, as Maroney outperforms him.
DeAngelo Williams - Memphis is already preparing for his departure, giving some youngster some work.
Vernand Morency - seems OK St. just cloned Tatum Bell
Ciatrick Fason - unlike most underclassmen, not afraid to admit he's thinking about jumping. Before the season, said he'd do it if he had a breakout year - he's having it.
TA McClendon - injury-prone stud needs to make jump before he misses significant time due to injury...again. Plenty of talented youngsters behind him.
Eric Shelton - freakish size/speed package is limited in one of the best backfields in country, if he stays, Michael Bush could make him an afterthought next year.
Ryan Moats - lacks ideal measurables, needs to capitalize on breakout year.
Wali Lundy - complete package in another deep backfield, can capitalize on recognition from team's big year.
DonTrell Moore - not much more to accomplish as a collegiate runner and no hope for his team to achieve much next year.
As for some seniors not getting much play here...Wow, how quickly Kay-Jay Harris is yesterday's news. The guy still has great measurables and is a good prospect. Walter Reyes is stuck on a bad team, but has the speed and nose for the end zone scouts love. JJ Arrington is passing Kay-Jay as the breakout senior of the year. Brandon Jacobs left being stuck in arguably the best DIA backfield to being stuck in pretty much the unanimous best DIAA backfield - still, has freakish size/speed that should impress in workouts. Tyson Thompson and Alex Haynes are a couple nice RBs at smaller schools. Derrick Wimbush is a DII player, but dominating and with nice measurables.
Here's some of more of my thoughts, as I've been tracking this year's RB class:
Pre-season 2005 RB Eval
Week 3 Update
Week 6 Update
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cstu
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Just wanted to point out that it was his knee surgeries in 1985 and 1986 that ruined his career, not some concussion.Marcus Dupree, RB; Breakers- a great runner with loads of talent, injuries cut short the career of this troubled college star...signed with the Breakers after week one of the 1984 season and eventually played in 15 games...ran 145 times for 684 yards and 9 TDs...a major knee injury limited him to just 17 carries for 69 yards and a TD in 1985...after more knee surgery, played for Los Angeles Rams in 1990 and 1991.While it's unfortunate that he his career was cut short, at least he was able to get paid for playing football rather than have been injured playing college football. I think it's crazy to stay in school if you can get paid to do the same thing professionally.One of the reasons I say to wait and see about a kid like AP is things like injuries...and just crazy ##### that can happen in big rivalry games...or any game for that matter. He needs to stand the test of time. Remember Marcus Dupree, the rb that played for OU? He was most definitely a man amongst boys...prolly the next Earl Campbell. He was that big, strong and fast.Thing is, one day in the Cotton Bowl in October against Texas, safety Richard Peavy hit him so hard he (quite literally) couldn't remember which sideline to go to. He ended up on the Texas sideline, dazed and lost. Our trainers helped him back home.MD was never the same. He played only sparingly in a couple more games, if I remember correctly. Maybe a Sooner out there can verify. Maybe he played no more college ball at all. He simply lost his will. He later resurfaced in the USFL, and, I believe with the LA Rams, but didn't do much. Brain injuries have a way of messing people up. It was sad. He was a man....but, then, so was Richard Peavy. Biggest hit I've ever seen.Same thing with Ced Benson. He collided head-on with big OT Mike Williams in the Big 12 CG and I believe it almost ruined his career. He was just not the same after that play for 1 1/2 seasons (end of freshman year 'til mid junior year). He may have had some turf toe, but that wasn't his big problem for a season and a half. He just wasn't agressive. He wasn't hitting the hole hard,and finishing his runs, like before. Now he is, and he's in the best shape of his life.
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cstu
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It would be a D-Ciple of the D that would finally point this out:Ciatrick Fason - unlike most underclassmen, not afraid to admit he's thinking about jumping. Before the season, said he'd do it if he had a breakout year - he's having it.
This guy is the best of the underclassmen (JR's, not FR, settle down AP freaks
) and maybe better than the seniors. McClendon is great as well - plus I like the name Tristan.
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Mcnabbfan
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Ok guys, great post with tons of information. Question I have for you guys is this, How does Deshaun Foster compare to the top 4 or 5 backs this year. Reason I ask is I can get Foster for my first but my first rounder may very well be a top 4 or five pick. The guy I really like is Ronnie Brown out of the top guys mentioned. Any replies to this would be greatly appreciated.
cstu
Footballguy
I like Foster, mainly because he'll be the main guy on a power running teams that suits him nicely. He's not very fast (4.57) but can hit the hole hard and get the tough yards. However, injuries have plagued him his entire career:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.htmlIn college he also lost much of two years to a high ankle sprain and a broken hand. He hasn't been very healthy, but if he can avoid injuries he'll be good next year. With that said, I would take my chances on Ronnie Brown.
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Okay a few points after reading this thread1. Ryan Moats. Compared to Joe Smith and Chance K. How are they doing in the NFL these days anyways. Moats I dont think will be a star. These guys have to be able to do it all like Melwelde Moore does. A guy who did 1000/1000 on a bad team and I dont think Moore is anywhere near a stud in the NFL.2. Why did Benson and Cadillac not come out last year. Because they would have been probably 3rd round picks and wanted to increase there value. Which goes that they would have been behind Jackson. Jones. Perry and Bell in the draft and teams would be hoping like a few of these guys. 3. I cant agree that 2006 and 2007 seem to be special. The kid from Michigan in Hart might get some and really it is 2007 I get very very excited about. Peterson is the real deal in the end.4. Situation will mean everything in the end. There is alot of talented backs in the NFL that are backups right now. The Minny situation. Jordan etc. Plus big name guys like Edge/Alexander that will impact the value of these guys. I think you might get one impact guy but this years class is still not as good as last years and that is everywhere. Dan Pompei just wrote an article. This is a great D draft only in the end. I dont think the WR's, QB's. TE's are as good as 2004. Not even close. There will be a guy that goes to a nice situation but lets hope he does better than Kevin JOnes who was way better than all of these 2005 guys mentioned. Bell probably does not get any press if he goes to any situation other than Denver. I love him because of where he went and his speed. One guy will come out of nowehere with a great combine5. Ronnie Brown is my choice for the biggest impact next year. Williams and Benson are going to disappoint alot of fantasy owners just like Jones is right now.
Here are the stats of the best freshman running back in the country over the last 4 weeks. Having faced two top 20 teams in that time:Minnesota 160 yardsIllinois 234 yardsPurdue 206 yardsMichigan St 224 yardsThese stats are for Micheal Hart, a true freshman in Ann Arbor playing with a true freshman QB. compare this to Adrian Peterson's 130/126/249/101 performances. And his are with a senior Heisman winning QB to take the pressure off. Peterson will probably be the better pro, but so far his only advantage statistically over Hart in Michigan is the fact that Peterson became the starter several games before Hart did.edited for grammar
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Fantasy Man
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I just read this thread for the first time and it's a pretty comprehensive thread of all the potential top backs chosen in the upcoming draft, but I am definitely very surprised that no one has mentioned Ray Hudson of Alabama. I've watched a few Bama games and shocked how Shaud Williams played ahead of him for the past couple of seasons. He's a well rounded back who would be an ideal fit in a WCO. He's fast, catches the ball well, and has some moves. Reminds me a little of Tatum Bell. He did get hurt a few weeks ago, but much of this thread was posted prior to his injury.Any bama homers here want to chime in? I think Hudson is a lock to be a day 1 pick if his injury is determined to not be a long term one and a surprise starter if he goes to the right team.
Mike Hart > AP this year.
AP just had more PT to start the year.Hart is tough, elusive, has moves and will be fun to watch for the next couple years. If UM had a mulligan for the Notre Dame game, the two freshmen phenoms in Ann Arbor would be one of the biggest stories in college football right now.
Hendo
Footballguy
actualy no. AP is by far the best RB in college football however another true Freshman Mike Hart is throwin gup crazy stats against harder compeition out in Michigan right now. he's definetly got that special look to him. i think he is the only other thing close to Adrian Peterson from a true freshman-talent-potenial ceiling playing college ball. i have seen more of Peterson then Hart but the reports on Hart are he might actualy have more skill then AP just not the size of AP. if i were to rank the top college RB's right now: 1: Adrian Peterson(fresh)-every down back future all pro 2: Mike Hart(fresh)-speed/vision future all pro 3: Ronnie Brown-power/speed future all pro 4: Cedric Benson-power/vision 5: Marion Barber III- redzone magnet 6: Carnell Williams- speed(i dont think hes a feature runner material) 7: Ryan Moats- still needs to show me more on tape 8: Frankie Gore- the forgotten one my top 8 atleast i think are playin gin college. things change and will drasticaly from now till the combine. i will be able to get better measurements on some then however for Clarrett last i heard he is up to 264lbs now. living somewhere in cleveland. and alot of people have forgotten Frank Gore cause of the 2 knee surgeries... hes toped both Clinton Portis and Willis McGahee there on the depth chart but was sidetracked cause of injuries down there. hes got feature back size and speed. he just needs to put the health questions behind him. Ronnie Brown is the best eligible RB coming out this year on my board. however i view both Adrian Peterson and Michael Hart the best 1-2 in all of college. they wont be moving down on my board.
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
There's only one problem I see with Mike Hart.Kevin Grady
He's the 5-star recruit coming in next fall. This East Grand Rapids, MI - native was offered by Michigan St and Michigan as a SOPHOMORE in HS. He's legit. Mike could be hard-pressed to keep all his playing time over the course of his career.
Agreed. Used to watch Benson when Lee visited Shotwell out here in Abilene, and he's always impressed me. I'm not sure we've seen the best of Cedric Benson yet. He's very underestimated on this board. For those who aren't familiar with him, Midland Lee won three straight Texas 5A championships with this kid. It was so bad, they called them the "Benson Rebels" during those years.
[i just read this thread for the first time and it's a pretty comprehensive thread of all the potential top backs chosen in the upcoming draft, but I am definitely very surprised that no one has mentioned Ray Hudson of Alabama. I've watched a few Bama games and shocked how Shaud Williams played ahead of him for the past couple of seasons. He's a well rounded back who would be an ideal fit in a WCO. He's fast, catches the ball well, and has some moves. Reminds me a little of Tatum Bell. He did get hurt a few weeks ago, but much of this thread was posted prior to his injury.
Any bama homers here want to chime in? I think Hudson is a lock to be a day 1 pick if his injury is determined to not be a long term one and a surprise starter if he goes to the right team.
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Roll Tide.
Hudson was a very good back and deserved to be on the list before tearing his ACL.
Before he got hurt he was splitting carries with a sophomore named Kenneth Darby. Check out Darby's #s after becoming the full-time back:
29 carries 197 yards vs So Miss
25 carries 99 yards vs Tenn
36 carries 200 yards vs MSU
He's 5-11 205 lbs and very quick. How he does the next two games against LSU and AU will say a lot.
Any bama homers here want to chime in? I think Hudson is a lock to be a day 1 pick if his injury is determined to not be a long term one and a surprise starter if he goes to the right team.
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Roll Tide.
Hudson was a very good back and deserved to be on the list before tearing his ACL.
Before he got hurt he was splitting carries with a sophomore named Kenneth Darby. Check out Darby's #s after becoming the full-time back:
29 carries 197 yards vs So Miss
25 carries 99 yards vs Tenn
36 carries 200 yards vs MSU
He's 5-11 205 lbs and very quick. How he does the next two games against LSU and AU will say a lot.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
As far as RB's coming out next year, I'm starting to like Ronnie Brown more than Cadillac Williams. I think I like Benson and Brown the most at this moment.Cedric Benson -Strengths: Very good all-around athletic ability...Good size...Tough, powerful runner...Shows good vision and balance...Has strong legs and can move a pile...Hits the hole hard...Is quick and shows some some shiftiness for a guy his size...A workhorse who gets stronger with more carries and as the game goes on...Isn't just a short yardage runner and can break the long one...Extremely productive, ran for 1,000+ yards every year and is one of the most prolific running backs in college football history. Weaknesses: Although good for his size, he won't wow you with his pure speed...Is only average as a receiver...Had some off the field legal issues...Has had some minor injuries but will play through them...Has carried the ball a lot and there is some wear on his tires. Notes: Nicknamed "Little Ricky" when he arrived in Austin due to his similarities to Ricky Williams...Like Williams, Benson also played minor league baseball for the Los Angeles Dodgers in the offseason...May have been a 1st Round Pick in 2004 had he come out after his junior season...One of the better running back prospects to come along in a few years...Potential elite, franchise back in the NFL. Ronnie Brown -Strengths: Very good size...Great speed...Excellent receiver out of the backfield...Very strong and runs hard...Has good balance...Displays good vision and hits the hole hard...Can run over defenders or run away from them. Weaknesses: Never had the opportunity to be the main ball carrier in college...Not real shifty...Has had some minor injuries problems and durability might be a question mark...Not an explosive runner. Notes: Overshadowed by Cadillac Williams but may in fact be the better pro when all is said and done...One of the best, if not the best, all-around running back prospects in this draft.
jurb26
Footballguy
I guess I can see your point. Bush IMO is the best plan football player in the country. So versitile it is scary, Faulk likeI disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
Peterson has more the traditional RB traits though. I still contend that he has to show this ability when OU is not just pushing the other team aroung up front though. His running insticts have not truely been tested yet at this level IMO.
Anyone else watching this show by Bush 
B Maverick
Footballguy
6-153 and 2 tds65 and 81 yardsI guess I can see your point. Bush IMO is the best plan football player in the country. So versitile it is scary, Faulk likeI disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
derek19
Footballguy
i think benson is the best RB in college...... texas barely has a passing game and everybody knows they are going to run the ball so teams stack 7-9 guys in the box and he still gets a nice gain.... the reason bush and peterson have maybe more yards and maybe td's, they have better quarterbacks and probably a better o-line. Would those 2rb's beable to put up the same numbers if they had the same o-line and same QB??? I'm not saying they are not talented rb's, i know they are. but i think if they don't get to play for a team that has a nice o-line (broncos) they won't be as productive as some of you guys think. thats just my opinion though......
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Is Bush eligible for the NFL draft next year? He's a soph, but will he be 3 yrs removed from HS? Is that the correct # of years it has to be?I guess I can see your point. Bush IMO is the best plan football player in the country. So versitile it is scary, Faulk likeI disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
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If he is 3 years removed, that is the correct number of year for the NFL. Ex. larry FitzgeraldIs Bush eligible for the NFL draft next year? He's a soph, but will he be 3 yrs removed from HS? Is that the correct # of years it has to be?I guess I can see your point. Bush IMO is the best plan football player in the country. So versitile it is scary, Faulk likeI disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Thanks "Your Mom". I wonder if Bush will be 3 yrs removed at the end of this year? If not, I was hoping this thread will stay on the topic of ONLY RB's that are eligible for the NFL draft next year. Obviously it has strayed from that some (see all the A Peterson posts), but I hope we are getting some valuable info from this thread. I know I have and thanks to all who have shared that info.If he is 3 years removed, that is the correct number of year for the NFL. Ex. larry FitzgeraldIs Bush eligible for the NFL draft next year? He's a soph, but will he be 3 yrs removed from HS? Is that the correct # of years it has to be?I guess I can see your point. Bush IMO is the best plan football player in the country. So versitile it is scary, Faulk likeI disagree. I think he has better vision and is a more natural runner. He's already bigger than Reggie and I imagine that he'll continue to add weight throughout his college career. Bush is a better receiver and a more unique player, but I don't think he's a better running back than Peterson.Peterson is NOT better than Bush right now. No way, no how.
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cstu
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2. Why did Benson and Cadillac not come out last year. Because they would have been probably 3rd round picks and wanted to increase there value. Which goes that they would have been behind Jackson. Jones. Perry and Bell in the draft and teams would be hoping like a few of these guys. -------------Very good point. Jackson and KJ would have gone before them both. I think Benson could be good and certainly has the skills, but his mileage is high. I'm not as sold on Cadillac - he has bust written all over him since he doesn't have the receiving skills that a guy his size is going to need to be successful in the NFL. The two I like best as pro RB's are Ronnie Brown and Ciatrick Fason. Whichever teams get those are going to be very happy, especially Fason who is likely to slip into the 2nd round or later.
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Jag FoamHead
Footballguy
Ciatrick Fason, if he decides to come out...
both will be looking very good on my college fantasy team next year
plus Henne and a boatload of talented WRs.
they should contend for the national championship next year if the defense plays well.
DonnyT33
Footballguy
Bush is the best runner in the NCAA right now and will only get better. target him ASAP and do whatever it takes to get him. He will meet or exceed Marshall Faulks Pro numbers who is the back he most reminds me of he will carry FF teams for many years as soon as he gets in the NFL(likely 2006 draft). The kid is beyond special.
crazygutgut
Footballguy
T.A. McLendon is going to enter the draft.
