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TheGreatest
Footballguy
They will take Brian Brohm or Andre Woodson because Tony Romo is going to fall flat on his face this year and he still doesn't have a new contract 
Brutis
Footballguy
Right now its a crap shoot but the Browns are still one of the safest bets.
Hi Tecumseh,How many teams do you think will have a worse record than Cleveland?J
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
There are quite a few teams that could potentially have worse records than Cleveland...I think Atlanta, Miami, and KC are near locks and Tennessee, Minnesota, Oakland and the NY Giants are close behind.
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Routilla
Footballguy
They will no doubt trade down in the first round for more picks in the '08 draft and/or the '09 draft. I kind of like the idea of having leverage heading into each draft in the form of additional picks. Of course they always have the option of using the pick if they think a real stud exists at their spot or if they have a glaring need to fill.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If the 'Boys end up with the #1 pick they'll take a QB - Brian Brohm, Colt Brennan, or John David Booty.
(Turning this into a "Who's the #1 draft pick next year?" thread
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(Turning this into a "Who's the #1 draft pick next year?" thread
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TheGreatest
Footballguy
No Andre' Woodson?? He is better than Brennan and Booty....Brohm is close call.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's a good name to throw out too.
Jayrod
Footballguy
KC??
You really think the Chiefs with LJ, Tony Gonzalez, Huard now at QB (the better option), a good defense and 8 games at Arrowhead are really going to finish worse than Cleveland?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Why is this no doubt?Not saying you're wrong, just curious.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes. Their o-line is terrible, their corners are old and have definitely lost at least a step and their receiving corps is B-A-D.They still have nothing at DT and Jared Allen is starting the season off with a suspension. (Okay LBs and very good DE's though.)O/U for wins is 5.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great point Routilla. NE has been doing this for years...seems they always have 2 1st round picks and they leverage it for the next year because they have few glaring weaknesses. Dallas can keep pushing that card back for the right time to cash it in...also turning it into multiple picks. Dallas has a chance to take over the NFC East as Washingotn can't draft to save their lives, Philly is in sort of a flux as they are not as good as they were a couple years back, and the NY Giants look terrible right now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's not that Washington picks bad, it's just that they hardly pick at all!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Oh did they trade for the Raiders first pick next year?Darren McFadden or Jake Long?
Then they'll have their own pick somewhere in the mid to late 20s.
Browns Rule!
Footballguy
Obviously you don't know a thing about the Browns. They weren't the worst team in football last year, and have vastly improved this season all around.
Brutis
Footballguy
Not a fan of them but I know football very well. They will have a top 5 pick, im pretty confident in that prediction.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Keep in mind they finished 9-7 last year....Similar O-line as last year (yes worse, but it was pretty bad last year, too)Same DB's (yes they are old, but the secondary is one of Herm's few strengths)Receiving corp added Bowe, plus Gonzo & LJ are still big parts of the passing game.Jared Allen is only missing 2 games.LB's added Donnie Edwards.I figure O/U more around 7 wins. Not good....... but not Cleveland, Atlanta, Oakland & Miami bad.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Let's look at where the Browns have improved this year:
Offense
- They spent good money getting Steinbach and drafted well getting Thomas. Their o-line should be much improved.
- Whether they start Frye for his second year or just go to Quinn, the QB spot is better than last year.
- As much as I don't like Lewis, he's an improvement over Droughns.
- Braylon Edwards should be fully healed and if he can keep his mouth shut, could be a big producer. They better hope Winslow stays healthy, though.
Defense
- They started two rookies for their 3-4 alignment last year - Wimbley & Jackson - and both played well, which hopefully carries over to improvement this year.
- Sean Jones is probably the most underrated safety in the league.
- Leigh Bodden is healthy and with Baxter returning and the rookie Eric Wright is playing well.
The d-line is still a big concern, though.
Offense
- They spent good money getting Steinbach and drafted well getting Thomas. Their o-line should be much improved.
- Whether they start Frye for his second year or just go to Quinn, the QB spot is better than last year.
- As much as I don't like Lewis, he's an improvement over Droughns.
- Braylon Edwards should be fully healed and if he can keep his mouth shut, could be a big producer. They better hope Winslow stays healthy, though.
Defense
- They started two rookies for their 3-4 alignment last year - Wimbley & Jackson - and both played well, which hopefully carries over to improvement this year.
- Sean Jones is probably the most underrated safety in the league.
- Leigh Bodden is healthy and with Baxter returning and the rookie Eric Wright is playing well.
The d-line is still a big concern, though.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So the o-line is worse than the bad line they had last year and the receiving corps added a rookie? And the defense added an oooold Donnie Edwards?I stand by my prediction.Plus, I think Huard's production last year was a fluke and I think the QB situation in KC is going to be a wreck all season long.
Browns Rule!
Footballguy
They finished tied for fifth from the bottom last year, and this year:- Why they would be worse - I can't think of 1 reason.- Why they would be better - Healthy Bodden and the drafting of Wright gives them one of the better CB duo's in the league, if Bodden would stay healthy, he would be a pro-bowler. - Their LB's are deep and more experienced. - Their OLine is the most improved unit on the team. Ryan Tucker will be healthy after week 4, they drafted Joe Thomas, and signed McKinney and Steinbach. Not to mention Bentley is almost back to health after missing all of last year.
wadegarrett
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Raider Nation
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:( I'm gonna let that slide. It will hurt BAD when fat Berman introduces the commish, and Dallas is on the clock.Oh did they trade for the Raiders first pick next year?Darren McFadden or Jake Long?
Then they'll have their own pick somewhere in the mid to late 20s.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Atlanta will have the #1 pick and take Brohm.
TheWick
Footballguy
For serious?
hove
Footballguy
Trader Jerry learned it from Trader Jimmy - trade, trade, trade on draft day. Move down to second and get extra picks, move back up into 1st a few picks after the original pick when there is a player they really want. Worked in the early 90s when they had a ton of picks. Hasn't really worked well since Trader Jimmy left the fold.
wadegarrett
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GregR_2
Footballguy
It will hurt worse when Oakland is on the clock and they take Jamarcus Russell for a second time.Oh did they trade for the Raiders first pick next year?Darren McFadden or Jake Long?
Then they'll have their own pick somewhere in the mid to late 20s.
Brutis
Footballguy
They will finish with a top 5 pick because they will be lucky to win 1 game in their division. They will probably be starting a rookie QB (good luck with that) and I cant see Jamal Lewis as an upgrade over anyone. They wont be able to score enough point to win their games and that puts a big "L" in the weekly column. I understand your probably a Browns fan and thats sweet, but you really should take off those rose colored glasses. HTH
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Oh, snap!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Pittsburgh is the cream of the crop in the division, but the other two teams have their issues:Baltimore's o-line is struggling (and subsiquently therefore so is McGahee - who I don't like anyway) and how much does McNair have left in the tank?Cincinnati has MAJOR issues on defense. They could be one of the worst units in the league.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I know nobody is going to believe me, and I don't blame you. But I swear to the man upstairs... no fingers crossed, no toes crossed -- that the following statement is not just due to me being a shameless homer. I think Oakland will be nowhere near in contention for the # 1 pick next year. Their defense is really, really good, and I am super encouraged by their offensive prospects. Being in that beastly division with Denver and San Diego is a killer, of course, but what can you do?As for the other teams you listed. I think Atlanta will surprise some folks. I don't think they'll be nearly as bad as everyone expects, and I think Harrington will perform fairly well. He really has no pressure, if you think about it. He wasn't expected to be a savior for the Falcons. Anything positive he does is gravy, and an actual "pocket QB" might yet yield some results with those young receivers.
Any team with L.J. and the Arrowhead home crowd will not get the # 1 pick. Herm is just good enough to have K.C. only slightly suck.
Tennesee? Highly unlikely. They were 8-8 last year, and Young will win several games by himself with his legs.
Giants? Possibly, but a longshot.
Minnesota? Could be brutal on offense, but that run D is nice. Who knows.
Miami? Would not completely shock me.
What about Houston?
Brutis
Footballguy
Cincy has issues but they will be able to score more points when they play the Browns. I would be shocked if the Browns inept offense manages 3 points against the Ravens. I see the Browns as a 5 win team max.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Oh, snap!
Never let it be said that I can't take a joke.(That was a joke, right?) 
FavreCo
Footballguy
And hook up with Laurent Robinson for years to come. They better really suck this year because KC, Miami, Washington, Minnesota, the Bucs and the Browns are top 6 locks. Each one has posted up in the cellar of their division. Whoever said the Giants is clueless. The Redskins have staked out the claim for the cellar in the NFC East. They suck. Who catchs footballs over there not named Cooley? Moss? He's always hurt. The Raiders will beat KC twice if they can avoid doing something really stupid. KC has nothing. They have the better D and now a better O.Miami is a total joke. Ginn
Minnesota has D and a run game but 8 in the box will beat them. Teams can probably go 9 in the box. They are that bad. Gruden, enough said. Run a pass pattern 2 yards towards the sidelines, the momentum will take you out of bounds when the ball is thrown your way. Repeat until time to punt.Cleveland may be the best of them all. That is bad.
Brutis
Footballguy
All those teams you mentioned are a possibility to finish with a higher draft pick than the Browns but I think Cleveland is the safer bet. IMO
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I love the Oakland defense. Their d-line needs to improve the run defense, but their linebackers rock and if Asomugha doesn't make the Pro-Bowl this year, either he severely regressed of someone isn't paying attention.Their QB situation is still a mess, though. As is the o-line and the RB position. Actually having an offensive game plan should help this year, though.
He didn't have any pressure in Miami last year and he still sucked. He's terrible and there's no nice way to put it. I'm not impressed by their defense, especially the safties.
The running game will be the suck and their defense is worse than last year.
Longshot? Even though Tiki was a punk, they'll not be able to replace him. And that defense is going to be HORRIBLE.
Their defense will keep them out of the #1 spot. If history is any indication, they'll pick 7th.
Their offense should be much better.
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I think 5 wins is about right but the first pick in the draft is usually a team 2 or 3 wins.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
TheWick
Footballguy
Who gets to play the Bills twice?
GregR_2
Footballguy
For Oakland fans, hopefully so!Oh, snap!
Never let it be said that I can't take a joke.(That was a joke, right?)
FavreCo
Footballguy
Miami does...2 losses for Miami.Who gets to play the Bills twice?
Brutis
Footballguy
Miami does, we were talking about Harrington so obviously the Phins were included in the conversation.Who gets to play the Bills twice?
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