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Name A Team Better Than The Packers (1 Viewer)

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smackdaddies

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Two For Sure Hall of Famers

Brett Favre and Kurt Warner

One with potential for the HOF

Aaron Rodgers

One Two Solid Pros

Mark Brunell

Matt Hasselback (thanks PotG)

Two Starters in the League

Ty Detmer

Aaron Brooks

Any others?

And is there a team with a better record?

 
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smackdaddies said:
Two For Sure Hall of FamersBrett Favre and Kurt WarnerOne with potential for the HOFAaron RodgersOne Solid ProMark BrunellTwo Starters in the LeagueTy DetmerAaron BrooksAny others?And is there a team with a better record?
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Hasslebust
 
I fully acknowledge my bias but I still contend that Ron Wolf was the best GM of his era. This would be another of the reasons why. Outside of the Favre heist in which he gave up a first-round pick, all of the QBs mentioned were low-round picks.

 
Not exactly matching your criteria of past 20 years, but I think San Francisco did a good job for 20 years:

1979 - 1999: Joe Montana & Steve Young, 15 Pro-Bowl appearances, both HOF

 
packersfan said:
I fully acknowledge my bias but I still contend that Ron Wolf was the best GM of his era. This would be another of the reasons why. Outside of the Favre heist in which he gave up a first-round pick, all of the QBs mentioned were low-round picks.
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Wasn't Rogers a first rounder?
 
The Chargers with Brees and Rivers are staring a QB dynasty and if the eventual Rivers successor is on the same level, I think you would have to include them in the conversation.

 
The Saints have produced:

Jake Delhomme

Marc Bulger

Aaron Brooks [snicker, but there were 4 good years stat-wise (brains/judgement wise, not so much]

Adrian McPherson [never heard of him? he started this year in the CFL for Grey Cup champs MTL]

Drew Brees [Payton and Saints get credit for this one; he was a different QB in SD altogether]

Well, that's five picked or developed in 9 years time. The first four were McCarthy projects of course.

 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
packersfan said:
I fully acknowledge my bias but I still contend that Ron Wolf was the best GM of his era. This would be another of the reasons why. Outside of the Favre heist in which he gave up a first-round pick, all of the QBs mentioned were low-round picks.
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Wasn't Rogers a first rounder?
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Yes, but I was referring to Wolf. Thompson drafted Rodgers. Wolf used late-round picks to snare Hasselbeck (one Super Bowl appearance), Brunell (one conference championship appearance) and Brooks (clueless but productive for a few years). That's extremely impressive work in my opinion.
 
packersfan said:
HULLOBUDMAN said:
packersfan said:
I fully acknowledge my bias but I still contend that Ron Wolf was the best GM of his era. This would be another of the reasons why. Outside of the Favre heist in which he gave up a first-round pick, all of the QBs mentioned were low-round picks.
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Wasn't Rogers a first rounder?
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Yes, but I was referring to Wolf. Thompson drafted Rodgers. Wolf used late-round picks to snare Hasselbeck (one Super Bowl appearance), Brunell (one conference championship appearance) and Brooks (clueless but productive for a few years). That's extremely impressive work in my opinion.
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agreed
 
smackdaddies said:
Two For Sure Hall of FamersBrett Favre and Kurt WarnerOne with potential for the HOFAaron RodgersOne Solid ProMark BrunellTwo Starters in the LeagueTy DetmerAaron BrooksAny others?And is there a team with a better record?
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I'm curious about Warner. If they controlled him or even looked at him, they deserve scorn for letting him go, not praise for IDing him. Rodgers was a first-round pick. Hardly a diamond in the rough.Brunelll was traded for a third and fifth rounder a year after being drafted. Great pick, but the credit there goes to the Jags for stealing him from the Pack. And they got even less credit for Detmer, whom Philly got as a free agent after the Pack let him go.I'm pretty sure they deserve condemnation, not praise, for their role in inflicting Aaron Brooks upon NFL fans around the world. So ... Favre and Rodgers? That's the argument? I'd put Montana and Young up against that duo.
 
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him). There is a limit to the number of players you can carry, especially when they already had 3 qbs that were NFL caliber

Brunell/Hasselbeck/Brooks/ were all traded because there was no value in keeping them as backups when they were demanding starting positions and you have Favre.

How many teams passed on Rodgers? He might be a 1st rounder, but a whole lot of teams passed - and it's not like the Packers "had" to have a qb when they drafted him -

 
I thought of this as my brother and I were slamming some Bear fans on how high up their #1 pick will be next year for them, err, Denver, and the number of teams like Chicago which can't seem to find an even decent starting qb, never mind the number the Pack has gone through.

 
Devil's Advocate....and Vikes fan.

Also drafted

1996: Kyle Wachholtz

1995: Jay Barker

Also had QBs named Steve Bono, Doug Pederson, TJ Rubley, Danny Wuerffel which aren't exactly getting jacket measurements.

Many subscribe to the fact that the best way to develop a QB is to have them back up a great QB. Perhaps Favre was the most valuable person during that period. :blackdot:

Those jabs taken, Wolf was a great GM and acquired some great talent during his tenure there. They were lucky to have him.

 
smackdaddies said:
I thought of this as my brother and I were slamming some Bear fans on how high up their #1 pick will be next year for them, err, Denver, and the number of teams like Chicago which can't seem to find an even decent starting qb, never mind the number the Pack has gone through.
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I don't think anyone would argue that Green Bay does a better job IDing and developing quarterback talent than Chicago. Most peewee teams do a better job with QBs than Chicago.
 
smackdaddies said:
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him). There is a limit to the number of players you can carry, especially when they already had 3 qbs that were NFL caliberBrunell/Hasselbeck/Brooks/ were all traded because there was no value in keeping them as backups when they were demanding starting positions and you have Favre.How many teams passed on Rodgers? He might be a 1st rounder, but a whole lot of teams passed - and it's not like the Packers "had" to have a qb when they drafted him -
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What exactly did they identify him as?
 
Chase Stuart said:
smackdaddies said:
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him). There is a limit to the number of players you can carry, especially when they already had 3 qbs that were NFL caliberBrunell/Hasselbeck/Brooks/ were all traded because there was no value in keeping them as backups when they were demanding starting positions and you have Favre.How many teams passed on Rodgers? He might be a 1st rounder, but a whole lot of teams passed - and it's not like the Packers "had" to have a qb when they drafted him -
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What exactly did they identify him as?
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Identified him as someone to cut because he wasn't good enough.
 
Sweet Love said:
The Chargers with Brees and Rivers are staring a QB dynasty and if the eventual Rivers successor is on the same level, I think you would have to include them in the conversation.
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C'mon you left Stan Humphries out of the mix as well as Ryan Leaf.
 
Chase Stuart said:
smackdaddies said:
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him). There is a limit to the number of players you can carry, especially when they already had 3 qbs that were NFL caliberBrunell/Hasselbeck/Brooks/ were all traded because there was no value in keeping them as backups when they were demanding starting positions and you have Favre.How many teams passed on Rodgers? He might be a 1st rounder, but a whole lot of teams passed - and it's not like the Packers "had" to have a qb when they drafted him -
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What exactly did they identify him as?
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Late round draft picks that could eventually be traded for other late-round draft picks or released as free agents, apparently.If guys pass through your system and get away for peanuts and then become stars elsewhere, you deserve derision, not praise. Ask the Washington Bullets/Wizards how they felt watching the Pistons start three players that the Wiz let go for virtually nothing bringing home a title. I don't think pride would be the overriding sentiment.
 
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Chase Stuart said:
smackdaddies said:
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him). There is a limit to the number of players you can carry, especially when they already had 3 qbs that were NFL caliberBrunell/Hasselbeck/Brooks/ were all traded because there was no value in keeping them as backups when they were demanding starting positions and you have Favre.How many teams passed on Rodgers? He might be a 1st rounder, but a whole lot of teams passed - and it's not like the Packers "had" to have a qb when they drafted him -
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What exactly did they identify him as?
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Kind of like how the Dolphins identified Drew Brees but then went with Daunte Culpepper instead.
 
Native said:
Chase Stuart said:
smackdaddies said:
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him). There is a limit to the number of players you can carry, especially when they already had 3 qbs that were NFL caliberBrunell/Hasselbeck/Brooks/ were all traded because there was no value in keeping them as backups when they were demanding starting positions and you have Favre.How many teams passed on Rodgers? He might be a 1st rounder, but a whole lot of teams passed - and it's not like the Packers "had" to have a qb when they drafted him -
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What exactly did they identify him as?
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Kind of like how the Dolphins identified Drew Brees but then went with Daunte Culpepper instead.
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The Jets identified Warren Sapp, but then realized he didn't look anything like Kyle Brady.
 
OP: "Name A Team Better Than The Packers, At Identifying Pro Level Quarterbacks for the Past 20 years?"

Answer: USC Trojans

 
jurrassic said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Chase Stuart said:
What does identifying mean?
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I'm wondering that, too.Favre wasn't drafted by them.
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It means seeing something in the players that others do not. Wolf was criticized for trading a first for Favre. The Packers were the only ones who invited Warner to a camp, which put him on the radar of other teams.
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So then wouldn't the Rams get primary credit for Warner? They saw something the Packers didn't, since they made him their backup and the Pack didn't. And the Jags get credit for Brunell? And the Eagles get credit for Detmer? And so on?Point is, you can either give them credit for an impressive record of drafting or otherwise being the first to ID QBs, or give them credit for getting value where others didn't. You can't mix and match both claims to support your argument.
 
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Phurfur said:
Fred Lane said:
Not exactly matching your criteria of past 20 years, but I think San Francisco did a good job for 20 years:1979 - 1999: Joe Montana & Steve Young, 15 Pro-Bowl appearances, both HOF
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Steve Young was Drafted by TB.
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I thought we were talking about "identifying"?If this thread were about "drafting", there wouldn't be much point. There's not much to brag about in drafing Rodgers, Brooks, Hasselbeck, Brunell, and Detmer over a 20 year period.
 
IMO, if you cut a guy before he breaks out, who is now a future HOF, without getting anything back, then you should not get credit. Just my opinion though.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
The Saints have produced:

Jake Delhomme

Marc Bulger

Aaron Brooks [snicker, but there were 4 good years stat-wise (brains/judgement wise, not so much]

Adrian McPherson [never heard of him? he started this year in the CFL for Grey Cup champs MTL]

Drew Brees [Payton and Saints get credit for this one; he was a different QB in SD altogether]

Well, that's five picked or developed in 9 years time. The first four were McCarthy projects of course.
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McPherson is the clear backup to Anthony Calvillo. He only comes in for short yardage QB sneaks or when Calvillo is injured or taken out of games that are blow-outs. So, you can't really earn high praise for drafting a backup QB in the CFL.
 
smackdaddies said:
Pack identified Warner - he wasn't ready for the Pro's and needed time to develop (or a wife with sharp enough elbows to push him).
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Every year, 20-30 teams invite one or two undrafted QBs to participate in mini-camp or training camp. To say that Green Bay targeted Warner in ANY way is a stretch. They needed a body and he happened to live close by.Besides, it's not like the Packers came calling after Warner put up huge stats in the Arena League or NFL Europe. (BTW, Warner's backup in NFL Europe? Jake Delhomme.) They had several chances to bring him back and they never bothered.
 
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MIMN said:
OP: "Name A Team Better Than The Packers, At Identifying Pro Level Quarterbacks for the Past 20 years?"Answer: USC Trojans
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By my count, the Trojans have placed 8 quarterbacks onto NFL rosters in the past 20 years (Sanchez, Leinart, Palmer, Cassel, Booty, Rob Johnson, Todd Marinovich and Rodney Peete).I'm sure other schools have placed as many, if not more. The Oregon Ducks have also placed 8 QBs onto NFL rosters (Dennis Dixon, Kellen Clemens, Joey Harrington, A.J. Feeley, Jason Fife, Akili Smith, Tony Graziani, and Bill Musgrave -- plus Jason Maas, who spent 10 years in the CFL).
 
smackdaddies said:
Two For Sure Hall of Famers

Brett Favre and Kurt Warner

One with potential for the HOF

Aaron Rodgers

One Two Solid Pros

Mark Brunell

Matt Hasselback (thanks PotG)

Two Starters in the League

Ty Detmer

Aaron Brooks

Any others?

And is there a team with a better record?
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I believe Aaron Brooks came from the Packers
 
Fred Lane said:
Not exactly matching your criteria of past 20 years, but I think San Francisco did a good job for 20 years:1979 - 1999: Joe Montana & Steve Young, 15 Pro-Bowl appearances, both HOF
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I believe Steve Young was drafted by the Bucs not the 49ers
 
I don't think it's as good as the Packers list, but what about the Patriots?

Tom Brady

Matt Cassel

Drew Bledsoe

 
I like the topic and can't say I disagree with you... :unsure:

Make it 30 years instead of 20 and I'll take the Colts. They "identified" two of the best QBs ever in Manning and Elway.

 
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I'd also point out that crediting the "Packers" with identifying Favre AND crediting the "Packers" for identifying Rodgers is a bit silly.

There's no owner, and it was a different GM and coaching staff. How can you attribute both of them to "the Packers" when each were targeted by completely different staffs that happen to share a team name?

 
This thread reminds me of how many QB busts have been produced by the Pac 10. Probably because they don't play any defense.

 
If you time warped to 1989, and told a Packers fan that not only would the Packers have a string of productive to hall of fame quarterbacks play for the team over the next two decades, but that none of them would be named Don Majkowski, they'd be shocked.

 
mlball77 said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Chase Stuart said:
What does identifying mean?
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I'm wondering that, too.Favre wasn't drafted by them.
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Good point. If the Packers get credit for identifying Warner, then the Falcons get credit for identifying Favre... right???
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:lol:Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ1 2008 1 3 Matt Ryan QB ATL 2008 2009 0 0 1 14 27 471 781 5731 32 23 82 152 2 Boston College3 2004 3 90 Matt Schaub QB ATL 2004 2009 0 0 2 21 71 803 1237 9559 51 36 108 300 2 Virginia5 2001 1 1 Michael Vick QB ATL 2001 2009 0 3 4 62 83 933 1739 11511 71 52 544 3924 21 Virginia Tech8 1991 2 33 Brett Favre QB ATL 1991 2009 3 10 17 151 284 5968 9638 68001 488 313 582 1826 14 Southern Miss
 
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What team is better than the Vikings at picking up old, aged quarterbacks instead of developing their own? Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Brad Johnson Re-Dux, Gus Frerotte, and of course, Bert Farve.

Bonus: They attempted to get Dan Marino! BALLSY

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