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NASA internship....ummm maybe not (1 Viewer)

apparently, he was not the one who got her fired, it was one of her idiot friends who used a #NASA hashtag in flaming this guy, and NASA found it. 

But he is now saying he accepted her apology and is in the process of getting her and 'even better' internship.

Honestly, I'm kinda having a problem with that. Jobs at NASA are not so easy to get and when you are dumb enough to tweet something like this, then IDK if you are really NASA material. Our kids gotta learn that there are repercussions when you do things, especially on social media. 

 
glvsav37 said:
apparently, he was not the one who got her fired, it was one of her idiot friends who used a #NASA hashtag in flaming this guy, and NASA found it. 

But he is now saying he accepted her apology and is in the process of getting her and 'even better' internship.

Honestly, I'm kinda having a problem with that. Jobs at NASA are not so easy to get and when you are dumb enough to tweet something like this, then IDK if you are really NASA material. Our kids gotta learn that there are repercussions when you do things, especially on social media. 
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I would imagine the hours/days she spent feeling sick in her stomach at losing her shot at a dream job probably was enough to show her the repercussions.

Doesn't seem necessary to pile it on further, does it?

 
GregR said:
I would imagine the hours/days she spent feeling sick in her stomach at losing her shot at a dream job probably was enough to show her the repercussions.

Doesn't seem necessary to pile it on further, does it?
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Well then, how does one learn?

She showed that she isn’t NASA material and that there are a lot better out there that want to work, with dignity, for NASA

I don’t care if she spent many a night with a sick feeling in her stomach because that has nothing to do with what she’s done 

 
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Jules Winnfield said:
Well then, how does one learn?

She showed that she isn’t NASA material and that there are a lot better out there that want to work, with dignity, for NASA

I don’t care if she spent many a night with a sick feeling in her stomach because that has nothing to do with what she’s done 
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Lord knows someone weak on social graces would never be able to fit in with the suave, socially sophisticated crowd that are engineers and scientists.

Seriously though.. a fully qualified guy looked at her actual resume and judged her on the entirety of her and not just on 1 stupid tweet and a couple more stupid tweets by her friends... and decided she can have a good future ahead of her. Who are any of us internet justice warriors to claim we know better?  

 
glvsav37 said:
apparently, he was not the one who got her fired, it was one of her idiot friends who used a #NASA hashtag in flaming this guy, and NASA found it. 

But he is now saying he accepted her apology and is in the process of getting her and 'even better' internship.

Honestly, I'm kinda having a problem with that. Jobs at NASA are not so easy to get and when you are dumb enough to tweet something like this, then IDK if you are really NASA material. Our kids gotta learn that there are repercussions when you do things, especially on social media. 
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She'd be a natural for "Space Force" - it seems stupid tweets are up their bailiiwick

 
That wasn't a Twitter slapfight - I read zero malice in her tweets. Still not smart to respond to Mr. Hickam like that, but this seems like a generational gap. Girl was ecstatic over the opportunity and was being pretty usual in what accounts for Twitter humor.

 
I agree with the article that some grace in the form of an apology would have been most appropriate, but just shutting the account down to private is a good runner-up decision.

 
If you get some random tweet that says ‘language’ it seems condescending and without any context (like he could have said I oversee NASA and they may not appreciate it) I don’t fault her too much. 

Unfortunately social media is a wasteland of bad taste and poor context. 

 
mr roboto said:
If you get some random tweet that says ‘language’ it seems condescending and without any context (like he could have said I oversee NASA and they may not appreciate it) I don’t fault her too much. 

Unfortunately social media is a wasteland of bad taste and poor context. 
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That's what bothered me the most. If you are new to a large and prestigious org (like NASA) and you say something a bit immature in public (like this tweet) and a person you don't know suggests to tone it down, at least take the 45 seconds to look up who this person is, instead of turning right around and suggesting to this stranger to perform oral sex on you, especially if it's anatomically impossible. I'd think a noob to NASA would go "who is Homer Hickam" and looked the dude up.

 
Dedfin said:
That's what bothered me the most. If you are new to a large and prestigious org (like NASA) and you say something a bit immature in public (like this tweet) and a person you don't know suggests to tone it down, at least take the 45 seconds to look up who this person is, instead of turning right around and suggesting to this stranger to perform oral sex on you, especially if it's anatomically impossible. I'd think a noob to NASA would go "who is Homer Hickam" and looked the dude up.
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Sure. But if that’s the ‘big mistake’ - not exactly earth shattering. 

 
Dedfin said:
a person you don't know suggests to tone it down, at least take the 45 seconds to look up who this person is... I'd think a noob to NASA would go "who is Homer Hickam" and looked the dude up.
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I don't think he's a verified account so it could have been anyone from her POV.

 
hagmania said:
That wasn't a Twitter slapfight - I read zero malice in her tweets. Still not smart to respond to Mr. Hickam like that, but this seems like a generational gap. Girl was ecstatic over the opportunity and was being pretty usual in what accounts for Twitter humor.
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:lmao:   at “Suck my #### and balls” being just a generational gap.

 
More than likely this girl wasnt head and shoulders above everybody. I imagine this was a highly coveted gig that involved a tough decision. If i was involved in that decision and saw that the person we picked behaved this way on social media as did her friends, i would want a do over on my choice. If she had been working there for a few years and performed well, then i would say no big deal, but that isnt the case.

Although i guess if after three years you didnt know who this guy was you are an idiot. So lets say if after three years this was uncovered. 

 
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hagmania said:
That wasn't a Twitter slapfight - I read zero malice in her tweets. Still not smart to respond to Mr. Hickam like that, but this seems like a generational gap. Girl was ecstatic over the opportunity and was being pretty usual in what accounts for Twitter humor.
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Sure she was excited. But poor judgement isn't a good look. In most situations, you just can't tell your boss's boss's boss to "suck my #### and balls" and expect to wind up with a good job. 

I think, though I'm not sure, that the agency I work for wouldn't revoke a job offer, even for an intern, based on this exchange. (We're a little more cavalier in our language than some agencies) But it doesn't surprise me that NASA would after being tagged repeatedly. 

mr roboto said:
If you get some random tweet that says ‘language’ it seems condescending and without any context (like he could have said I oversee NASA and they may not appreciate it) I don’t fault her too much. 

Unfortunately social media is a wasteland of bad taste and poor context. 
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Not if you've watched marvel movies, which is almost a requirement to work for NASA.

 
-OZ- said:
Sure she was excited. But poor judgement isn't a good look. In most situations, you just can't tell your boss's boss's boss to "suck my #### and balls" and expect to wind up with a good job. 

I think, though I'm not sure, that the agency I work for wouldn't revoke a job offer, even for an intern, based on this exchange. (We're a little more cavalier in our language than some agencies) But it doesn't surprise me that NASA would after being tagged repeatedly. 

Not if you've watched marvel movies, which is almost a requirement to work for NASA.
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What if you thought it was some random online person giving you a lecture on your use of a swear word?

I’m sure 1. She wouldn’t have said that if she knew who he was and 2.  The situation is escalated by her friends piling on. 

 
imagine he had said "language, young lady", seeing as how she responed with "suck my #### and balls"

if he had assumed her gender, HE'D have been booted rom NASA

 
Jules Winnfield said:
Well then, how does one learn?

She showed that she isn’t NASA material and that there are a lot better out there that want to work, with dignity, for NASA

I don’t care if she spent many a night with a sick feeling in her stomach because that has nothing to do with what she’s done 
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By this logic we would all be unemployed. We all have had bad moments. 

They should bring back into the program and then exile her from the earth. That will learn her. 

 
This is that rare instance of a controversial event where everything pretty much worked out exactly as it should have. 

Even if we take into account that this girl had no idea who Homer Hickam is, and accept the suggestion that his one word reply had been taken by her as condescending in tone, her response was nevertheless disqualifying as far as her upcoming internship is concerned. She didn’t just publicly say “suck my #### and balls” to a random poster on the Internet. She said “Suck my #### and balls. I’m working at NASA.”  By expressly invoking the agency in her response, it became more than some isolated offensive tweet - it became a reflection on NASA, or at least on its internship program. The offer was rightly and justly revoked. 

That said, losing this one opportunity shouldn’t mean that she is blackballed for life.  Hickam obviously recognizes this and has himself taken steps to help her mitigate any long term damage. Good on him. 

My guess is that she has learned a valuable lesson but will not be forever barred from a career in the aerospace industry over the mistake.  This seems like the best outcome all around. 

 
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Am I the only one that shares every story like this with their kids? 

We had some local Jr. High kids sharing sexting pics who all got picked up by the police recently.  That one made an impression.

 
mr roboto said:
What if you thought it was some random online person giving you a lecture on your use of a swear word?

I’m sure 1. She wouldn’t have said that if she knew who he was and 2.  The situation is escalated by her friends piling on. 
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I'm not sure about 1 but you're probably right. 

I never would have thought I'd have to tell my kids to not tell people to suck their #### online. 

Or at least use an alias.

Totally agreed on 2.

 
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hagmania said:
I read zero malice in her tweets.
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Do you go around telling strangers to "suck my #### and balls" as a compliment or warm greeting?

It's fine to think that NASA overreacted or that Hickam invited that response upon himself; but, c'mon, she obviously intended some ill will with that response.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Am I the only one that shares every story like this with their kids? 

We had some local Jr. High kids sharing sexting pics who all got picked up by the police recently.  That one made an impression.
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Went to tell my son about the NASA story and he already knew all the details. I guess the story has been making the rounds. 

 
Al O'Pecia said:
Do you go around telling strangers to "suck my #### and balls" as a compliment or warm greeting?

It's fine to think that NASA overreacted or that Hickam invited that response upon himself; but, c'mon, she obviously intended some ill will with that response.
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I just disagree.

 
hagmania said:
I just disagree.
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Yeah.  It would have been one thing if she'd been responding to an older guy or someone in a relevant position of power.  But since only young people in their first jobs use social media and you always know who you're talking to, I think it's probably OK.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Yeah.  It would have been one thing if she'd been responding to an older guy or someone in a relevant position of power.  But since only young people in their first jobs use social media and you always know who you're talking to, I think it's probably OK.
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I understand what you're saying. I really do. I just think you guys are judging actions from your perceptions and not motivations from hers.

 
hagmania said:
I understand what you're saying. I really do. I just think you guys are judging actions from your perceptions and not motivations from hers.
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OK, let's do it this way:

I think her motivation was to tell a stranger she thought was raining on her parade by being the language police to #### off, and she upped the ante on the language he warned against as a figurative middle finger to his warning.

What do you think her motivation was?

 
Al O'Pecia said:
OK, let's do it this way:

I think her motivation was to tell a stranger she thought was raining on her parade by being the language police to #### off, and she upped the ante on the language he warned against as a figurative middle finger to his warning.

What do you think her motivation was?
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Given that she apologized and Hickam seemed to believe it was sincere, I going to go with not that.

 
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hagmania said:
Given that she apologized and Hickam seemed to believe it was sincere, I going to go with not that.
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How does a subsequent apology mean that wasn't her motivation for that response at the time she made it?

Come on, you're the one that brought up motivation and told us that we're wrong about her motivation.  You obviously must have a different motivation for her response in mind.  Why don't you just tell us what you think her motivation was rather than saying "not that"?

 
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FWIW, I think @hagmania is right about the language disparity.  "Suck my ####" is a pretty common non-malicious thing among millennials, especially millennial women (for whatever reason).  It doesn't have the same malicious undertones that it may have had 10-20 years ago, at least when used in this context.

Still, her behavior was foolish, but like @bigbottom said it seems the system worked as it should.  The girl learned a lesson and apologized, Hickam apologized for his tweet seeing as how it could be misread to be condescending, and the girl hopefully won't be blackballed from the industry.

 
Al O'Pecia said:
How does a subsequent apology mean that wasn't her motivation for that response at the time she made it?

Come on, you're the one that brought up motivation and told us that we're wrong about her motivation.  You obviously must have a different motivation for her response in mind.  Why don't you just tell us what you think her motivation rather than saying "not that"?
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Because I don't know what anyone is thinking but me. I just think there is way way too much judgment being handed down.

You may very well be right.

 
 Guys, this isnt that hard. She fired back at some anonymous guy that she thought was being the language police and it turns out that he was very important person in your field. When she found out she apologized. 

 Her language is pretty tacky and I don’t think it’s acceptable to just simply say that millennials have a different way of using language.  I would be disappointed if my daughter use that kind of language online or to anybody in person because I just think it’s low class and shows a lack of respect.  But, it’s within the realm of acceptability to get in a small little Twitter war with some anonymous person as long as you don’t make threats. 

 
hagmania said:
Because I don't know what anyone is thinking but me. I just think there is way way too much judgment being handed down.

You may very well be right.
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And many of the people supporting this girl are judging NASA as overreacting and Hickam as a curmudgeon who invited her response on himself.  Hell, I made those judgments in my original post.

People are judged by what they say and do, and those people, in turn, judge others by what they say and do.  Life is making judgments and exercising judgment.  Unfortunately, this girl learned that lesson the hard way.

With all that said, I really don't care about this issue that much, but I appreciate your responses.  I judge you as a good guy who hopefully has a great day.   :hifive:

 
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