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These people displaying Nazi symbols and all is something I never saw in the South. I'm 44 and grew up in a small town. I knew racist people but it never manifested itself in that form. As a kid you'd see people displaying the Confederate flag pretty frequently, but it wasn't thought of by them so much as a racial thing. It may be moreso now. I'm sure the Confederate flag is shown way more or almost exclusively in the South. I wouldn't think Nazi symbols would be more here than anywhere else. But given all the WWII vets and family members that were around during my school years it would have been beyond what anyone would have done openly. I honestly have never seen anyone display a swastika to this day and lived in the South my whole life.
I've spent some time in the South. So much less racist than the kids I knew from rural areas up North, at least in terms of being openly racist.
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You started a thread devoted to obscure examples of fake hate crimes, and now you're complaining that a thread about actual Nazi sympathizers isn't worthy of a discussion topic?
Those were adults and it had to do with a microcosmic element of the problems involving hate crimes and prosecution and evidentiary markers.
It wasn’t meant to be a knock on the south; exactly the opposite. My point is that people think this is more prevalent in the south (there were a lot of posts in the Northam thread that expressed that POV) and its just not so.
No, I’ve read it now.
Yes, with a broader point that dealt with the problem of evidence and intent regarding official recognition of what hate crimes are, how they should be reported, etc.
Orange County actually has a ton of Nazis. There’s a reason American History X was set just north of there.
The OC is far right, and its poorer areas probably reflect the undesirable marriage of the right with its more extreme elements.
Yeah, but this is non-violent, nor does it implicate property concerns. It's stupid #### that young people often do and it takes on a different dimension than any sort of property or violent crime.
Argh. Where else, amirite?
This is absolutely the motivation for why many of these stories now make national news and before did not.
One of the President’s first acts in office was to cancel funding for a task force working against recruiting children into right wing terrorist groups.
My neighborhood in Texas is infinitely more diverse than my neighborhood was in Orange County, CA.
I have quite a few Jewish friends on Facebook from the Newport Beach, Newport Coast, Irvine area, and the Snapchat photos have been making the rounds on FB today and people are PISSED. Lots of calls to school administration demanding action, lots of publicity on social media. This isn’t the case of the media manufacturing a story. The story is very much there to be covered.
The news article Tim posted was from the local newspaper - the OC Register. I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if it does make national news within the next 24 hours.
It sure is.
listen rockaction said this is not a story so bam brohan its not a story sorry you will just have to live with it take that to the bank bromigo
Yeah, I knew that. Even opaquely, you're like a piñata around kids without blindfolds on.
Maybe. Either way, I knew we were going to head down this route about Trump, media narrative, and climate as soon as you posted. There was no way around it. You were steering it there, and it went there.
Yeah, if you have an IQ over 90, he is, just in centrist Democrat form. You know exactly where the thread is headed and what agenda he's trying to get over on you while thinking you to be unwittingly playing along. But at this point, everybody knows it.
Why can’t we have a discussion? We’re pretty smart people in this forum. If I think MAGA is racist I’d better be able to explain why, and if you disagree you’d better be able to explain why. Neither of us need be dependent on the media.
Up until now I didn’t think that racism existed outside of the southern United States....
Probably because we've had the discussion eighty freaking times. Here's my take, again: Trump has done nothing to help society's inexorable march towards a more tolerant, forgiving society. He's a buffoon who says divisive things often and has a New York rudeness that's almost unparalleled in modern politics. But there is no great increase in hate crimes or hatred in general. It's always been there, it's just that it sticks out more because it's so:
I don’t know that I’ve spent a lot of time on this subject. Others have. This particular incident was in my neck of the woods so I thought it worth discussing.
Fair enough. I vented on you today and last night. It's not -- the tone is not one of hatred or anything like that and you have thick skin.
The only problem with what you wrote here is your last sentence, which is a lie.
True. But I don't see any good way to present any quantifiable evidence so I'm pretty sure it's sort of one of those things we'll just live with.
