*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

[saintfool]

FanHouse's own Tim Povtak reports the Orlando Magic WILL match three-year, $19 million offer sheet on J.J. Redick. Story soon on FanHouse.

Bulls signing of Ronnie Brewer seems imminent.

bah. i was hoping the spurs would get something going with him.

 

[Abraham]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

 

[Sammy3469]

Intersting read at basketballprospectus

Looking at the contracts handed out so far this summer, several fall into this category. Phoenix's Channing Frye, Milwaukee's Drew Gooden, Denver's Al Harrington, Toronto's Amir Johnson, Portland's Wesley Matthews (an offer sheet the Jazz reportedly will not match), Miami's Mike Miller and New Jersey's Travis Outlaw all got five-year deals right around the mid-level exception. Meanwhile, even if Brendan Haywood's sixth year only becomes guaranteed based on conditional performance, his contract is both too long and too lucrative.

We can only hope that Mike Miller's contract really does end up being horrible. Oh and not a bad contract for the Knicks

 

[Bobcat10]

Lebron's camp just keeps churning out the positive news.

Link

 

[JMon348]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old. 2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Id rather have Scola than Boozer without salary implications.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Yeah, more like $5-6M a year better.

 

[Sammy3469]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Yeah, more like $5-6M a year better.

lol

 

[Celph Titled]

Lebron's camp just keeps churning out the positive news.

Link

He lives with his mom.

 

[Abraham]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Yeah, more like $5-6M a year better.

lol

Agreed Sammy.

Boozer is a 17 /10 guy and is 28.5 years old. Scola is a 16/8 guy and is 30 years old. Not sure 1 point and 2 boards per game is worth all the extra money.

 

[Abraham]

"Ms. Powers showed me the pendant in question and I was able to determine that it was a one-of-a-kind item and it did actually belong to Mr. Carter," said Sgt. James Elchlinger

 

[TommyGilmore]

"Ms. Powers showed me the pendant in question and I was able to determine that it was a one-of-a-kind item and it did actually belong to Mr. Carter," said Sgt. James Elchlinger

That's nice work, boys. /Wiggum

 

[Walton Goggins]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Yeah, more like $5-6M a year better.

lol

Agreed Sammy.

Boozer is a 17 /10 guy and is 28.5 years old. Scola is a 16/8 guy and is 30 years old. Not sure 1 point and 2 boards per game is worth all the extra money.

On the surface, this signing has ‘Carrol Dawson’ written all over it. (To the younger fans, that’s not a good thing.) My first reaction was to wonder who let the Rockets’ former general manager in on the negotiations.

With that said, Daryl Morey’s track record has earned him the benefit of the doubt. With no capable replacement, they couldn’t just let Scola walk. While the figure is higher than expected, you can rest assured that the Rockets let the market set the price, probably with intel about a potential offer – this was not borne out of the same gratuitous urge that brought you Kelvin Cato.

So why didn’t Morey simply wait and match an offer sheet as he did with Landry and Lowry? Perhaps there was a higher offer expected to be on the table. Another reason could be that because the annual raises for contracts for players signed by their original team is 10.5% (as opposed to 8% if signed by another team), the lower first year salary could have been desired to offer potential breathing room (around the tax threshold) near the deadline if the team decides to cut losses.

In a now outdated special for SB Nation Houston, I explained where the club stood with regards to the cap. With a starting salary just under $8million, Scola’s new deal pushes the Rockets well into luxury tax territory.



Many may have qualms with the decision. After all, Scola will be 35 when the deal ends and isn’t exactly elite. With that said, his production since the Landry trade has been undeniable.

In March, I wrote that in the ten games to that point following the Landry trade, excluding one night when he only logged 16 minutes due to injury, Luis Scola had averaged 19.4ppg and 12.2rpg. While I don’t yet have the final figures on Scola on the year, that’s All-Star production.

 

[Bobcat10]

"Ms. Powers showed me the pendant in question and I was able to determine that it was a one-of-a-kind item and it did actually belong to Mr. Carter," said Sgt. James Elchlinger

I thought that was very strange. Nice work, Sarg.

 

[Major]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Yeah, more like $5-6M a year better.

lol

Agreed Sammy.

Boozer is a 17 /10 guy and is 28.5 years old. Scola is a 16/8 guy and is 30 years old. Not sure 1 point and 2 boards per game is worth all the extra money.

Great move by the Rockets as Scola nearly went back to Spain. This guy is a stud and a constant source of production. His age worries me in years 4-5 but other than that, he was a piece the Rockets needed if they want a shot at the title. Now, Yao just has to stay healthy for a full season

 

[FatMax]

Now, Yao just has to stay healthy for a full season

Stone cold lock right there.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Who will play more games this year...Yao or Oden?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Who will play more games this year...Yao or Oden or Bynum?

 

[No. 16]

1. Penny is 39? Damn I feel old.

2. I thought scola would get 5\50 sou I think this is a good deal. Boozer got 12/year, right? Not sure I think boozer is 3mm/yr beyer thing scola.

Yeah, more like $5-6M a year better.

lol

Agreed Sammy.

Boozer is a 17 /10 guy and is 28.5 years old. Scola is a 16/8 guy and is 30 years old. Not sure 1 point and 2 boards per game is worth all the extra money.

It's not just 1 point per game and 2 boards. Boozer is by far the better rebounder with a career 18.3% TRB% vs 15.3% and he is also a way more efficient in scoring his 17 vs Scola's 16.... 57.7 TS% vs 55.6 TS%. Then you add in the fact that Boozer is a better passer and he is clearly a better, younger player. I think Boozer is being paid a fair price and Scola's deal is fair for someone who's best years are behind him. That fact that you should get 1-2 years of peak play from Boozer makes up for the extra cost vs the 5 years of downswing for Scola.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Who will play more games this year...Yao or Oden or Bynum?

I really hope Oden plays a full season. What a disaster his knees have become. Its sad.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I giggled

 

[cubd8]

Bulls sign Ronnie Brewer - 3 years, 12.5 milion

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Boston Celtics re-sign guard Nate Robinson to a two-year, $9 million deal plus bonuses, a league source tells Yahoo! Sports.

 

[JMon348]

Bulls sign Ronnie Brewer - 3 years, 12.5 milion

Now we get to see how the Jazz would do in the east.Rose=WilliamsBrewerKorverBoozerDeng=AK47

 

[Balco]

Bulls sign Ronnie Brewer - 3 years, 12.5 milion

Now we get to see how the Jazz would do in the east.Rose=WilliamsBrewerKorverBoozerDeng=AK47

Not really.

 

[Pick]

Al Jefferson is chopped liver?

Yes.

All markets are not the same in the NBA. Essentially, Utah traded Boozer for Jefferson when it looked like they'd get nothing. Now they bring in a gritty vet SG who knows the offense. So lost Korver and Matthews and gained Bell and Hayward. Would rather have Korver/Matthews but all things considered the Jazz did very well. And remember they are right up against the cap. Still are in fact and have to sign some players.Deron Williams has two years left so this is management's final push to make some noise and keep DW happy enough to stay.

 

[Balco]

Well, the Nets barely missed out on Lebron and Wade (and Bosh, and Johnson, and . . . etc.). But there rotation will look different in 2010.

POINT GUARD

Devin Harris, Jordan Farmar:

Nets are solid here. Harris is a very good point guard, and Farmar should give them productive minutes off the bench.

SHOOTING GUARD

Terrence Williams, Courtney Lee, Anthony Morrow

Not sure who will start, but I think it should be Williams. He contributes in every category, and his breakout toward the end of the season showed the potential he has. Lee is a free agent after the season, and will more than likely not be resigned. I can see him getting 25-30 minutes a night. Morrow was a great signing, the Nets really need to stretch defenses, and Morrow is a great outside shooter. Not much in the way of a defender, and he has a pretty one dimensional offensive game, but he will be an asset for this team.

Small Forward

Travis Outlaw, Terrence Williams, Damion James

The Outlaw signing was a head scratcher. I thought Williams would be perfect slotted in the SF spot. All reports are that Damion James looks very solid in the summer league and will develop into a solid rotation guy. People are raving about his D, which is what this team lacked last year. Terrence Williams should see some minutes at SF when he is not playing shooting guard.

Power Forward

Kris Humphries, Derrick Favors

Oof. This remains a huge hole for the Nets who need someone inside to take pressure off Brook Lopez. Reports are that Favors has alot of work to do after his summer league performance, and expecting him to play 20 minutes a game as an 18 year old is alot. That leaves Kris Humphries who is better suited as an energy guy off the bench.

Center

Brook Lopez, Johan Petro

Nets are set here, as Lopez is the best young center in the game. Petro shouldn't see much time, and no one can be worse than Josh Boone. No one.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said

 

[Premier]

Good luck with those guys facing Rondo, Howard, Boozer/Noah, Perkins/KG/JO, Pau/Bynum, etc...

And good luck with Pierce, Garnett, Allen, or Deng, Boozer, Korver, or Lewis, Carter, Pietrus, facing Lebron, Wade Bosh. It goes both ways my friend.

Unless I'm missing something, I can not imagine a scenario where the 2-time NBA D player of the year is guarding Haslem and not Bosh in a playoff series.

Howard has enough problems with fouling that I doubt they'd want to stick him on Bosh for too long.

He's guarded Bosh quite a lot in the past. His fouling out rep is getting a bit too much play because of his poor play in the Charlotte series. Other than that, he's been pretty much fine in the past two years in the playoffs.

You're crazy if you think the Magic will have him checking Udonis Haslem or something.

 

[Abraham]

I like this signing for houston.

 

[shake zula]

Updated Heat Roster:

Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire

Bosh, Howard

Lebron, Miller

Wade

Chalmers, Arroyo

 

[Juxtatarot]

Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said

Bulls wanted him back but there was no way they'd pay him that much money. Although he was a fan favorite, he is obviously well past his prime. He can still play well in spurts but the Rockets can't count on him playing major minutes. Hopefully Yao stays healthy. Great locker room guy from all accounts.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Shocked he didnt take that min offer from Miami

 

[thecatch]

Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said

Bulls wanted him back but there was no way they'd pay him that much money. Although he was a fan favorite, he is obviously well past his prime. He can still play well in spurts but the Rockets can't count on him playing major minutes. Hopefully Yao stays healthy. Great locker room guy from all accounts.

I imagine he'll age fairly well over the next couple years; at 36, he should be able to pass, shoot jumpshots, and not rebound or play defense just as well as he does at 34.

 

[Premier]

Updated Heat Roster:Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire Bosh, HowardLebron, MillerWadeChalmers, Arroyo

Didn't realize Magloire and Arroyo were still in the league.

 

[Major]

Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said

Always been a fan. Like this move given Yao's history.

 

[shake zula]

Shocked he didnt take that min offer from Miami

I didn't hear about an offer to Miller?

 

[timschochet]

Updated Heat Roster:Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire Bosh, HowardLebron, MillerWadeChalmers, Arroyo

Should win a lot of games. Hopefully at least 65 so Jmon owes me $100If it really does come down to a series against the Lakers, everyone will be focusing on the starting line-up matchups. But what's really fascinating is that the winner in that series will be the team that gets the substitutions right and can throw in the right combination of players at the key time. It will be a chess match.

 

[JMon348]

Updated Heat Roster:Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire Bosh, HowardLebron, MillerWadeChalmers, Arroyo

Should win a lot of games. Hopefully at least 65 so Jmon owes me $100If it really does come down to a series against the Lakers, everyone will be focusing on the starting line-up matchups. But what's really fascinating is that the winner in that series will be the team that gets the substitutions right and can throw in the right combination of players at the key time. It will be a chess match.

65 would be a push

 

[Gr00vus]

Updated Heat Roster:Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire Bosh, HowardLebron, MillerWadeChalmers, Arroyo

Should win a lot of games. Hopefully at least 65 so Jmon owes me $100If it really does come down to a series against the Lakers, everyone will be focusing on the starting line-up matchups. But what's really fascinating is that the winner in that series will be the team that gets the substitutions right and can throw in the right combination of players at the key time. It will be a chess match.

With that roster, if it comes down to anyone other than Wade, James or Bosh the Heat are done. There's no "chess match" at all.

 

[timschochet]

Updated Heat Roster:Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire Bosh, HowardLebron, MillerWadeChalmers, Arroyo

Should win a lot of games. Hopefully at least 65 so Jmon owes me $100If it really does come down to a series against the Lakers, everyone will be focusing on the starting line-up matchups. But what's really fascinating is that the winner in that series will be the team that gets the substitutions right and can throw in the right combination of players at the key time. It will be a chess match.

With that roster, if it comes down to anyone other than Wade, James or Bosh the Heat are done. There's no "chess match" at all.

They can't all play every minute of every game. Who the Lakers have on the floor when each of the three rest during various times of the game- that is the chess match.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Updated Heat Roster:Anthony, Pittman, Ilgauskas, Magloire Bosh, HowardLebron, MillerWadeChalmers, Arroyo

Should win a lot of games. Hopefully at least 65 so Jmon owes me $100If it really does come down to a series against the Lakers, everyone will be focusing on the starting line-up matchups. But what's really fascinating is that the winner in that series will be the team that gets the substitutions right and can throw in the right combination of players at the key time. It will be a chess match.

With that roster, if it comes down to anyone other than Wade, James or Bosh the Heat are done. There's no "chess match" at all.

Pretty much.

 

[Abraham]

Shocked he didnt take that min offer from Miami

I didn't hear about an offer to Miller?

I think he is confusing mike and brad.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

Shocked he didnt take that min offer from Miami

I didn't hear about an offer to Miller?

I think he is confusing mike and brad.

Brad Miller was projected to take 2 million to join the Heat a couple of pages ago.

 

[shake zula]

Shocked he didnt take that min offer from Miami

I didn't hear about an offer to Miller?

I think he is confusing mike and brad.

Brad Miller was projected to take 2 million to join the Heat a couple of pages ago.

 

[Abraham]

Shocked he didnt take that min offer from Miami

I didn't hear about an offer to Miller?

I think he is confusing mike and brad.

Brad Miller was projected to take 2 million to join the Heat a couple of pages ago.

Projected by who? He's been dining regularly with adelman sincr july 1.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

I meant the remaining starting lineup, people keep talking that they are gonna be 3 guys and a bunch of scrubs, that shouldn't be the case.A supporting cast of Chalmers, Miller, Big Z (vet minimum), Brad Miller (2 mill or so), Micheal Finley (vet minimum), Mbenga/Petro/Anthony (A guy to play good D against centers and use 6 fouls), Q Rich (2 mill or so), Jason Williams, plus two rookies isn't the worst 4-13 I've ever seen.

 

[FatMax]

Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said

Bulls wanted him back but there was no way they'd pay him that much money. Although he was a fan favorite, he is obviously well past his prime. He can still play well in spurts but the Rockets can't count on him playing major minutes. Hopefully Yao stays healthy. Great locker room guy from all accounts.

I imagine he'll age fairly well over the next couple years; at 36, he should be able to pass, shoot jumpshots, and not rebound or play defense just as well as he does at 34.

Besides, he's an Adelman guy. Adelman will know how to use him effectively.PS, I miss Rick Adelman more every day.

 

[Abraham]

I meant the remaining starting lineup, people keep talking that they are gonna be 3 guys and a bunch of scrubs, that shouldn't be the case.A supporting cast of Chalmers, Miller, Big Z (vet minimum), Brad Miller (2 mill or so), Micheal Finley (vet minimum), Mbenga/Petro/Anthony (A guy to play good D against centers and use 6 fouls), Q Rich (2 mill or so), Jason Williams, plus two rookies isn't the worst 4-13 I've ever seen.

Oh. Well in that case I project melo will be a grizzlie next year.

 

[shake zula]

I meant the remaining starting lineup, people keep talking that they are gonna be 3 guys and a bunch of scrubs, that shouldn't be the case.A supporting cast of Chalmers, Miller, Big Z (vet minimum), Brad Miller (2 mill or so), Micheal Finley (vet minimum), Mbenga/Petro/Anthony (A guy to play good D against centers and use 6 fouls), Q Rich (2 mill or so), Jason Williams, plus two rookies isn't the worst 4-13 I've ever seen.

really? First I think he, himself, is confusing Brad w/ Mike. I wouldn't mind Finley or JWill.

 

[Kev4029]

I meant the remaining starting lineup, people keep talking that they are gonna be 3 guys and a bunch of scrubs, that shouldn't be the case.

A supporting cast of Chalmers, Miller, Big Z (vet minimum), Brad Miller (2 mill or so), Micheal Finley (vet minimum), Mbenga/Petro/Anthony (A guy to play good D against centers and use 6 fouls), Q Rich (2 mill or so), Jason Williams, plus two rookies isn't the worst 4-13 I've ever seen.

really? First I think he, himself, is confusing Brad w/ Mike. I wouldn't mind Finley or JWill.

There are two Millers in there. I was just speculating on what Miami could do a week ago after we heard about the Mike Miller signing. Clearly I was WAY off on what Brad Miller would get, but I think he got the worst contract given out in free agency so far (for the short term) so I don't feel I undervalued him. I think Quentin Richardson got quite a bit more than what I was expecting him to get too. This year has been so ridiculously out of control with the spending, I can't believe the owners are going to use the excuse that they are losing money.... You deserve to be losing money when Wes Matthews, Travis Outlaw, and Brad Miller are getting paid like starters.