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Sinn Fein said:
So, if you are a young black NBA star in the making, are there two worse cities to go to in the NBA than Milwaukee and Salt Lake City?
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I would think that if you play your cards right in SLC, you'll wind up being worshipped liked an exotic god.

 
Sinn Fein said:
So, if you are a young black NBA star in the making, are there two worse cities to go to in the NBA than Milwaukee and Salt Lake City?
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I have a friend who works for the Bucks. We've discussed the above and he begrudgingly admits that the Bucks' front office knows it's true.

 
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Abraham said:
I think the Bulls will get the Charlotte pick this year, and that's okay.

Here's a fun one.... let's say Charlotte gets the 12 pick and it goes to Chicago. Would a Boozer, #12, Mitro platter to the #2 (bucks?) be enough....so they could take Chicago native Jabari Parker?
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The entire Chicago team and 2014 picks, minus Rose, would not be enough for the #2 pick.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Good thing for Rudy the game sheet isn't getting passed around tonight :thumbup:

Casey cost his team another game. Down 5 starting the 4th, he decides the best line-up is Hansbrough, Fields, Augustin, Novak and Ross. 2 minutes later they're down 11 and the Nets are in the bonus. Fan-#######-tastic. Oh, and don't put the ball in Lowry's or Derozan's hands for the final play even though they carried the team the whole game. Give it to the overpaid bum :thumbup:
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I can't believe you are still watching the games. After the first few games this year of Gay and Demar chucking and completely ignoring JV in the post, I concluded that the product/results weren't worth the 48 minutes of anger and frustration. I'm convinced, like many others, that Ujiri's decision to keep Casey is his covert way of tanking, which I welcome. However, I'm very worried Casey will fail at that too, just like 2 years ago when the Raps beat the Nets in the final, meaningless game of the season (and the Nets didn't even have a first rounder!), causing them to fall 3 spots in the draft and wind up with Terrance Ross instead of either Lillard or Barnes.

Good on you bud! :thumbup:

 
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Daywalker said:
Abraham said:
I think the Bulls will get the Charlotte pick this year, and that's okay.

Here's a fun one.... let's say Charlotte gets the 12 pick and it goes to Chicago. Would a Boozer, #12, Mitro platter to the #2 (bucks?) be enough....so they could take Chicago native Jabari Parker?
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The entire Chicago team and 2014 picks, minus Rose, would not be enough for the #2 pick.
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This. The top 4-5 picks (depending on how you value Exum) this year are so valuable, that they are only being traded with each other as teams match who they want. I have to applaud Utah's suckiness in guaranteeing one of these picks since the worst record can't fall out of the top 4. Milwaukee should do likewise now too.

 
Daywalker said:
Mr. Retukes said:
Sinn Fein said:
So, if you are a young black NBA star in the making, are there two worse cities to go to in the NBA than Milwaukee and Salt Lake City?
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I would think that if you play your cards right in SLC, you'll wind up being worshipped liked an exotic god.
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Or you're Mormon like Jabari Paker.
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I can't even fathom the way Jabari Parker would be treated if he got drafted by the Jazz. The Mormons, would praise him like a god, especially if he turns out to be a superstar. Non-superstar would still equal fan favorite. Parker would have so many wives.

Utah fans are very passionate about their team. They seem to always have a crowd even when their team is bad and are always into the game too, at least from the looks of it on TV.

 
Daywalker said:
Abraham said:
I think the Bulls will get the Charlotte pick this year, and that's okay.

Here's a fun one.... let's say Charlotte gets the 12 pick and it goes to Chicago. Would a Boozer, #12, Mitro platter to the #2 (bucks?) be enough....so they could take Chicago native Jabari Parker?
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The entire Chicago team and 2014 picks, minus Rose, would not be enough for the #2 pick.
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Adding Rose wouldn't be enough. To move a top 3 pick this year, it would take LeBron, Durant, Davis or ... I think thats it. No one would be dumb enough (except Isiah) to take a package over a potential franchise guy .

 
hxperson said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Good thing for Rudy the game sheet isn't getting passed around tonight :thumbup:

Casey cost his team another game. Down 5 starting the 4th, he decides the best line-up is Hansbrough, Fields, Augustin, Novak and Ross. 2 minutes later they're down 11 and the Nets are in the bonus. Fan-#######-tastic. Oh, and don't put the ball in Lowry's or Derozan's hands for the final play even though they carried the team the whole game. Give it to the overpaid bum :thumbup:
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I can't believe you are still watching the games. After the first few games this year of Gay and Demar chucking and completely ignoring JV in the post, I concluded that the product/results weren't worth the 48 minutes of anger and frustration. I'm convinced, like many others, that Ujiri's decision to keep Casey is his covert way of tanking, which I welcome. However, I'm very worried Casey will fail at that too, just like 2 years ago when the Raps beat the Nets in the final, meaningless game of the season (and the Nets didn't even have a first rounder!), causing them to fall 3 spots in the draft and wind up with Terrance Ross instead of either Lillard or Barnes.

Good on you bud! :thumbup:
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I'm a glutton for punishment. Sadly, this is going to be the first playoff year in 5 years. They have too much talent to compete with Philly, Boston, Utah, Milwaukee, Sacremento, etc that even a tank job this year will still land them around a 10 seed. Unless Ujiri deals Derozan, Lowry and Gay, this is sadly another mediocre team.

I guess we'll the see the plan by mid-December. Something has to give. Either get talent from teams trying to tank and fire Casey or sell off everything for peanuts and keep Casey. Until then, I'm stuck watching :kicksrock:

 
Somebody will panic and give the raptors a protected 1 for Gay. My guess is Cleveland although there are other options. When did he get so bad? Or has he always been overrated?

 
Abraham said:
Somebody will panic and give the raptors a protected 1 for Gay. My guess is Cleveland although there are other options. When did he get so bad? Or has he always been overrated?
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He has been exceptionally terrible since he's been in Toronto. Before that, he was a slightly above average wing who was extremely overpaid.

He's got loads of talent and athleticism but his shot selection and fundamentals are terrible.

ETA: A deal with CLE, Thompson and Bynum's contract for Gay. DO IT.

 
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Abraham said:
Somebody will panic and give the raptors a protected 1 for Gay. My guess is Cleveland although there are other options. When did he get so bad? Or has he always been overrated?
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Isn't Afflalo a better player? Why wouldn't they go for him instead.

Whoever is their personnel guy should be fired. That Bennett pick was a colossal #### up.

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Mark me down as not ready to give up on Bennett....yet. Although I don't like the fit for CLE, given their roster.
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Agreed. It's way too early. But it's fun to bag on the pick. That said, if the draft goes off tomorrow how does it look? Adams first and VO second? Flip those two? Mcw third? It's not like they passed on half a dozen guys who are already off to good starts. It's still possible that Bennett ends up as one of the best players from the class.

 
Has anybody started off this bad and become a star? I'm sure somebody has but I sure can't think of one.

 
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No idea. But while you would hope the #1 pick would be a "star" I'm not sure anyone expects any of the guys in this class to reach that level. I can't see AB ever being a 20/9 guy but I felt that way before the draft. It's not like the last three weeks changed anything significant about evaluating him. :shrug:

 
Premier said:
Has anybody started off this bad and become a star? I'm sure somebody has but I sure can't think of one.
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Found this: http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1841140-has-any-no-1-pick-started-as-slowly-as-cavs-anthony-bennett

It doesn't look pretty.

After looking through the game logs of every top rookie drafted since Art Heyman was selected at No. 1 out of Duke in 1963 (the year that Basketball-Reference starts displaying game logs), I can safely say that this is unique. No first pick in NBA history has ever gotten off to a start this slow.

In fact, only two names stand out after that copious research.

First, we have Brad Daugherty, who is both the older and less applicable comparison.

Back in 1986-87, the Cleveland Cavaliers big man got off to a sort-of slow start. He scored eight points in his professional debut against the Washington Bullets, doing so on 3-of-8 shooting from the field. Daugherty's second game was more of a masterpiece, as he dropped 18 points and 15 rebounds on only 15 field-goal attempts. While turnovers were problematic, he was already proving why he was the No. 1 pick.

But then the wheels came off.

Daugherty was 1-of-8 in his third game and stopped getting so heavily involved. Over the next two games, he'd score a total of 15 points on 5-of-12 shooting, which allowed him to finish the opening five-game salvo with a 45.6 true shooting percentage.

Again, not even close to as bad as Bennett's debut, but still not as stellar as we've come to expect from No. 1 picks. There have been worse sets of five-game starts for No. 1 picks, but I'm homing in on Daugherty because he was selected in the midst of a run of great top rookies.

David Robinson and Patrick Ewing sandwich him, and Hakeem Olajuwon was picked at No. 1 just two years prior. Compared to all of them, he stands out in a negative way, even if he'd turn his rookie season around and make a strong second-half run at Rookie of the Year.

The other comparison is a name you've probably heard thrown around as a draft bust countless times: Kwame Brown.
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Premier said:
TobiasFunke said:
Premier said:
Has anybody started off this bad and become a star? I'm sure somebody has but I sure can't think of one.
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John Wall (if you consider him a star, which he probably is since he's looking like an All-Star starter at the moment) and Paul George come to mind.
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Was Wall this bad? Getting DNPs?

I meant top-5 picks. I obviously should have clarified that.
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It was pretty ugly. True shooting % was .491 before the ASB his first year. The passing and defense were there though.

I thought we were talking about Oladipo before that DNP comment. My bad. Thankfully, I can stay with my own team and cite Kwame Brown, who was probably just as bad. Not exactly "star" precedent there.

 
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Premier said:
TobiasFunke said:
Premier said:
Has anybody started off this bad and become a star? I'm sure somebody has but I sure can't think of one.
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John Wall (if you consider him a star, which he probably is since he's looking like an All-Star starter at the moment) and Paul George come to mind.
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Was Wall this bad? Getting DNPs?

I meant top-5 picks. I obviously should have clarified that.
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Kobe as an 18-year old? Wasn't a top 5 pick though. Tyson Chandler also wasn't special his rookie year, again he was a teenager though.

It's pretty unprecedented for the #1 pick to be this bad.

 
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.

 
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
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I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Premier said:
TobiasFunke said:
Premier said:
Has anybody started off this bad and become a star? I'm sure somebody has but I sure can't think of one.
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John Wall (if you consider him a star, which he probably is since he's looking like an All-Star starter at the moment) and Paul George come to mind.
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Was Wall this bad? Getting DNPs?

I meant top-5 picks. I obviously should have clarified that.
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Kwame Brown?
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sarcasm?

 
Sammy3469 said:
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
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I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.
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I think at least in college Bennett demonstrated a much better ball handling ability than DWill or White Chocolate Thunder Explosion Maker. There are a ton of similarities though.

Here's some youtube highlights of Bennett.

Bennett did have off-season shoudler surgery and looks fatter. But that doesn't mean it's cool to come out and shoot 1 for 1000 from the field.

 
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Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sammy3469 said:
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
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I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.
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I think at least in college Bennett demonstrated a much better ball handling ability than DWill or White Chocolate Thunder Explosion Maker. There are a ton of similarities though.

Here's some youtube highlights of Bennett.

Bennett did have off-season shoudler surgery and looks fatter. But that doesn't mean it's cool to come out and shoot 1 for 1000 from the field.
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Do the Oklahoma City fans who attempt the half-court shot during a timeout still have a better shooting percentage than Bennett? It was nip and tuck for a while.

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sammy3469 said:
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
Click to expand...
I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.
Click to expand...
I think at least in college Bennett demonstrated a much better ball handling ability than DWill or White Chocolate Thunder Explosion Maker. There are a ton of similarities though.

Here's some youtube highlights of Bennett.

Bennett did have off-season shoudler surgery and looks fatter. But that doesn't mean it's cool to come out and shoot 1 for 1000 from the field.
Click to expand...
After watching that clip, I'm even more dubious he ever turns it around. I see a lot of open 3s, dunks from sloppy opposing D, and put backs. Basically a guy who can score when open, but with no real ability to get open (I think there was one legitimate low-post/get open move in there). Granted this is all hindsight and its not like last year's class is great, but I really wonder what the Cavs GM was looking at.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Premier said:
TobiasFunke said:
Premier said:
Has anybody started off this bad and become a star? I'm sure somebody has but I sure can't think of one.
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John Wall (if you consider him a star, which he probably is since he's looking like an All-Star starter at the moment) and Paul George come to mind.
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Was Wall this bad? Getting DNPs?I meant top-5 picks. I obviously should have clarified that.
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Kwame Brown?
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He became a star........when?
 
Sammy3469 said:
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sammy3469 said:
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
Click to expand...
I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.
Click to expand...
I think at least in college Bennett demonstrated a much better ball handling ability than DWill or White Chocolate Thunder Explosion Maker. There are a ton of similarities though.

Here's some youtube highlights of Bennett.

Bennett did have off-season shoudler surgery and looks fatter. But that doesn't mean it's cool to come out and shoot 1 for 1000 from the field.
Click to expand...
After watching that clip, I'm even more dubious he ever turns it around. I see a lot of open 3s, dunks from sloppy opposing D, and put backs. Basically a guy who can score when open, but with no real ability to get open (I think there was one legitimate low-post/get open move in there). Granted this is all hindsight and its not like last year's class is great, but I really wonder what the Cavs GM was looking at.
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What about this one preseason game though?

 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sammy3469 said:
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Sammy3469 said:
pollardsvision said:
I didn't watch Bennett in college. Was he always this fat?

I could be wrong, but I really have a hard time seeing a short, fat PF with no offensive game turning things around in any meaningful way.
Click to expand...
I keep coming back to how much the description of his game resembles that of Joe Alexander (and for that matter Derrick Williams). Yeah Alexander was a SF, but both were labelled as athletic 3/4s who don't have post games and shoot the ball well for their positions in college (notice they weren't flat-out great college shooters, but rather great shooters for their position in college). That description for 3/4 tweeners just seems like a recipe for failure these days.
Click to expand...
I think at least in college Bennett demonstrated a much better ball handling ability than DWill or White Chocolate Thunder Explosion Maker. There are a ton of similarities though.

Here's some youtube highlights of Bennett.

Bennett did have off-season shoudler surgery and looks fatter. But that doesn't mean it's cool to come out and shoot 1 for 1000 from the field.
Click to expand...
After watching that clip, I'm even more dubious he ever turns it around. I see a lot of open 3s, dunks from sloppy opposing D, and put backs. Basically a guy who can score when open, but with no real ability to get open (I think there was one legitimate low-post/get open move in there). Granted this is all hindsight and its not like last year's class is great, but I really wonder what the Cavs GM was looking at.
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What about this one preseason game though?
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SHOWTIME

 
Bennett reminds me a bit of Anthony Mason. Although I haven't seen him pass at all yet and that was a great part of Mason's game. Looks like he likes to handle the ball on the wing, can take the mid range jumper, can post a bit.

Edit: And yes, I realize I'm digging myself a pretty big hole here. :oldunsure:

 
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He did look good in that preseason clip.

Even then, it looks like an old man game. I'm not sure that bodes well for a young 6'7" PF.

Feels like a YMCA legend trying to make it in the NBA.

 
Cavs shopping Waiters.

I think he'd be a fantastic fit for the Bulls with Rose out. They need a scorer. Who knows what they're looking for given they just spent the #4 overall pick on him a year ago. Thought he was overdrafted to begin with, but worst case he turns out as a scorer off the bench.

 
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