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[Cliff Clavin]

It was a nice signing. I'm not saying Frye was a better one. I was only saying that it seems like it's getting more difficult to find cheap shooting.

Patterson and McRoberts are some of the best bargains of this off-season. Even then, we're talking about guys the average fan's never even thought about getting $6 mill/year.

Yeah, I think we're a little slow to adjust to the price of these deals. Hawes and McRoberts were both full MLE guys.

 

[Premier]

I didn't realize these guys were all free agents this off-season.

Patterson is probably the closest comparable and he got a year and $2M less per. Hawes was this year and $5M cheaper. Miller and Butler haven't signed yet but they'll be much cheaper and bring the same thing Frye does. PJ Tucker is a similar shooter so we'll see what he gets. Richard Jefferson, Wesley Johnson, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams will all give you similar shooting and will all be much cheaper.

But Frye wasn't taking a pay cut and had multiple offers. Maybe other teams were offering 7.5 instead of 8 but that's not a big deal. Even haggling over an extra mil or two a year doesn't matter.Would it make you feel better if everybody tells you Patterson was a super awesome signing?

No need to get so defensive. Just listing some comparables.

I get that, but these things aren't done in a vacuum. A guy who is big and can shoot coming off a decent year isn't taking a pay cut to go anywhere. Maybe the other guys took less to go to a potential winner or stay close to home. It's not apples to apples and it's not like Frye got 13M a year or anything.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I didn't realize these guys were all free agents this off-season.

Patterson is probably the closest comparable and he got a year and $2M less per. Hawes was this year and $5M cheaper. Miller and Butler haven't signed yet but they'll be much cheaper and bring the same thing Frye does. PJ Tucker is a similar shooter so we'll see what he gets. Richard Jefferson, Wesley Johnson, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams will all give you similar shooting and will all be much cheaper.

But Frye wasn't taking a pay cut and had multiple offers. Maybe other teams were offering 7.5 instead of 8 but that's not a big deal. Even haggling over an extra mil or two a year doesn't matter.Would it make you feel better if everybody tells you Patterson was a super awesome signing?

No need to get so defensive. Just listing some comparables.

I get that, but these things aren't done in a vacuum. A guy who is big and can shoot coming off a decent year isn't taking a pay cut to go anywhere. Maybe the other guys took less to go to a potential winner or stay close to home. It's not apples to apples and it's not like Frye got 13M a year or anything.

My ranking of 'worst signing of the summer' doesn't take any of that stuff into account.

You're signing Frye because he can shoot the 3 and be tall. That's pretty much it. There are quite a few guys out there that fit that mould that wouldn't require 4/$32 which is why I think it is a bad deal.

 

[B-Deep]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

 

[wadegarrett]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

So you think everyone in the organization is from Cleveland?

Or is it just something in the water?

 

[Premier]

I didn't realize these guys were all free agents this off-season.

Patterson is probably the closest comparable and he got a year and $2M less per. Hawes was this year and $5M cheaper. Miller and Butler haven't signed yet but they'll be much cheaper and bring the same thing Frye does. PJ Tucker is a similar shooter so we'll see what he gets. Richard Jefferson, Wesley Johnson, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams will all give you similar shooting and will all be much cheaper.

But Frye wasn't taking a pay cut and had multiple offers. Maybe other teams were offering 7.5 instead of 8 but that's not a big deal. Even haggling over an extra mil or two a year doesn't matter.Would it make you feel better if everybody tells you Patterson was a super awesome signing?

No need to get so defensive. Just listing some comparables.

I get that, but these things aren't done in a vacuum. A guy who is big and can shoot coming off a decent year isn't taking a pay cut to go anywhere. Maybe the other guys took less to go to a potential winner or stay close to home. It's not apples to apples and it's not like Frye got 13M a year or anything.

My ranking of 'worst signing of the summer' doesn't take any of that stuff into account.You're signing Frye because he can shoot the 3 and be tall. That's pretty much it. There are quite a few guys out there that fit that mould that wouldn't require 4/$32 which is why I think it is a bad deal.

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

So you think everyone in the organization is from Cleveland?

Or is it just something in the water?

do not engage

 

[Kev4029]

I didn't realize these guys were all free agents this off-season.

Patterson is probably the closest comparable and he got a year and $2M less per. Hawes was this year and $5M cheaper. Miller and Butler haven't signed yet but they'll be much cheaper and bring the same thing Frye does. PJ Tucker is a similar shooter so we'll see what he gets. Richard Jefferson, Wesley Johnson, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams will all give you similar shooting and will all be much cheaper.

But Frye wasn't taking a pay cut and had multiple offers. Maybe other teams were offering 7.5 instead of 8 but that's not a big deal. Even haggling over an extra mil or two a year doesn't matter.Would it make you feel better if everybody tells you Patterson was a super awesome signing?

No need to get so defensive. Just listing some comparables.

I get that, but these things aren't done in a vacuum. A guy who is big and can shoot coming off a decent year isn't taking a pay cut to go anywhere. Maybe the other guys took less to go to a potential winner or stay close to home. It's not apples to apples and it's not like Frye got 13M a year or anything.

Its a bad deal that is going to eat into their future cap and offer them nothing in the short term. They should have either been chasing young restricted free agents to overpay or just been holding out and waiting for somebody like the Knicks to look to dump Amare or the Rockets to dump Lin or something. They could have gotten 90% of Frye's production for a third of the cost with somebody like Jason Smith or Anthony Tolliver if they really wanted a stretch 4/5.

 

[Premier]

I didn't realize these guys were all free agents this off-season.

Patterson is probably the closest comparable and he got a year and $2M less per. Hawes was this year and $5M cheaper. Miller and Butler haven't signed yet but they'll be much cheaper and bring the same thing Frye does. PJ Tucker is a similar shooter so we'll see what he gets. Richard Jefferson, Wesley Johnson, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams will all give you similar shooting and will all be much cheaper.

But Frye wasn't taking a pay cut and had multiple offers. Maybe other teams were offering 7.5 instead of 8 but that's not a big deal. Even haggling over an extra mil or two a year doesn't matter.Would it make you feel better if everybody tells you Patterson was a super awesome signing?

No need to get so defensive. Just listing some comparables.

I get that, but these things aren't done in a vacuum. A guy who is big and can shoot coming off a decent year isn't taking a pay cut to go anywhere. Maybe the other guys took less to go to a potential winner or stay close to home. It's not apples to apples and it's not like Frye got 13M a year or anything.

Its a bad deal that is going to eat into their future cap and offer them nothing in the short term. They should have either been chasing young restricted free agents to overpay or just been holding out and waiting for somebody like the Knicks to look to dump Amare or the Rockets to dump Lin or something. They could have gotten 90% of Frye's production for a third of the cost with somebody like Jason Smith or Anthony Tolliver if they really wanted a stretch 4/5.

Of course it's going to offer them something. They have two young penetrating guards who need floor space. He's also supposed to be a good locker room guy for a team who presently doesn't have one.

Jason Smith shot exactly no three pointers last year and plays the same position that the Magic are most deep at. What on earth are you talking about?

 

[B-Deep]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

So you think everyone in the organization is from Cleveland?

Or is it just something in the water?

something in the sports teams water perhaps

there are plenty of fine hard working folks in Cleveland who are very good at their jobs.

it is just the sports teams that seem to be able to find new and creative ways to look like idiots

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

 

[B-Deep]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when and if a lebron/gilbert meeting took place. I wonder how Lebron would approach that. it'd be interesting.

 

[TenTimes]

Spoiler

Miami Heat5/2

San Antonio Spurs8/1

Oklahoma City Thunder8/1

Los Angeles Clippers10/1

Indiana Pacers15/1

Chicago Bulls15/1

Houston Rockets20/1

Spoiler

Miami Heat16/5

San Antonio Spurs 6/1

Oklahoma City Thunder 8/1

Chicago Bulls10/1

Los Angeles Clippers10/1

Indiana Pacers20/1

Houston Rockets22/1

Golden State Warriors25/1

Miami Heat 4/1

San Antonio Spurs 6/1

Oklahoma City Thunder 13/2

Chicago Bulls 10/1

Los Angeles Clippers 12/1

Cleveland Cavaliers 17/1

Houston Rockets 18/1

Golden State Warriors 25/1

Indiana Pacers 25/1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures is where I've been getting these if anyone's curious

 

[Premier]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

Right. But he went to a significantly better team and plays the position the Magic have no need at. You can't really play Hawes and Vucevic together.

It's weird you guys can't see the differences in all the bad examples you keep giving.

 

[B-Deep]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

So you think everyone in the organization is from Cleveland?

Or is it just something in the water?

do not engage

sorry, i'll drop it

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

Right. But he went to a significantly better team and plays the position the Magic have no need at. You can't really play Hawes and Vucevic together.

It's weird you guys can't see the differences in all the bad examples you keep giving.

My mistake. Great signing. Sorry to have ever questioned it. You are right that there is no other 6'11" PF that shot 5.3 3's per game and hit 37% who was a free agent this summer. Frye should have got the max because no one else can be tall and hit 3's.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when and if a lebron/gilbert meeting took place. I wonder how Lebron would approach that. it'd be interesting.

For all we know, the "clear the air" meeting could have happened at any time. Z's jersey retirement, anytime the Heat were in Cle, anytime Lebron came back to Bath, etc. They are both men who did things wrong...hopefully that's the approach they took.

 

[Premier]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

Right. But he went to a significantly better team and plays the position the Magic have no need at. You can't really play Hawes and Vucevic together.It's weird you guys can't see the differences in all the bad examples you keep giving.

You are right that there is no other 6'11" PF that shot 5.3 3's per game and hit 37% who was a free agent this summer.

That's right, there's not.

I'm sorry you are upset because I rebutted all your stupid examples. Maybe next time don't throw a glob of names out there that don't make sense on the context of a particular team?

 

[Kev4029]

I didn't realize these guys were all free agents this off-season.

Patterson is probably the closest comparable and he got a year and $2M less per. Hawes was this year and $5M cheaper. Miller and Butler haven't signed yet but they'll be much cheaper and bring the same thing Frye does. PJ Tucker is a similar shooter so we'll see what he gets. Richard Jefferson, Wesley Johnson, Rashard Lewis and Marvin Williams will all give you similar shooting and will all be much cheaper.

But Frye wasn't taking a pay cut and had multiple offers. Maybe other teams were offering 7.5 instead of 8 but that's not a big deal. Even haggling over an extra mil or two a year doesn't matter.Would it make you feel better if everybody tells you Patterson was a super awesome signing?

No need to get so defensive. Just listing some comparables.

I get that, but these things aren't done in a vacuum. A guy who is big and can shoot coming off a decent year isn't taking a pay cut to go anywhere. Maybe the other guys took less to go to a potential winner or stay close to home. It's not apples to apples and it's not like Frye got 13M a year or anything.

Its a bad deal that is going to eat into their future cap and offer them nothing in the short term. They should have either been chasing young restricted free agents to overpay or just been holding out and waiting for somebody like the Knicks to look to dump Amare or the Rockets to dump Lin or something. They could have gotten 90% of Frye's production for a third of the cost with somebody like Jason Smith or Anthony Tolliver if they really wanted a stretch 4/5.

Of course it's going to offer them something. They have two young penetrating guards who need floor space. He's also supposed to be a good locker room guy for a team who presently doesn't have one.

Jason Smith shot exactly no three pointers last year and plays the same position that the Magic are most deep at. What on earth are you talking about?

Smith and Frye both play a lot of power forward and a lot of center and Smith can defend both better than Frye, so I don't understand that comment.

I never said that Smith hits a ton of threes, I just called him a stretch 4/5. Smith and Frye are incredibly similar players, other than Smith takes too many 18 foot jumpers where Frye would take a three. Frye is the better player, but if I could grab Smith for 3 years and $10M or Frye at 4 years and $32M, Smith is the much better buy. And that is the point Cliff and I are trying to make. Its not that Frye isn't necessarily better than a lot of the free agent stretch bigs, its just that he is going to be much more expensive for a team that doesn't really need an old expensive guy to help them win 25 games next year.

 

[thecatch]

If we are celebrating Pat Patterson at $6m and ripping Frye to shreds at $8m, we are really splitting hairs in here.

 

[B-Deep]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when and if a lebron/gilbert meeting took place. I wonder how Lebron would approach that. it'd be interesting.

For all we know, the "clear the air" meeting could have happened at any time. Z's jersey retirement, anytime the Heat were in Cle, anytime Lebron came back to Bath, etc. They are both men who did things wrong...hopefully that's the approach they took.

Whenever it does or did happen i would have love to have been there.

 

[Kev4029]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

Right. But he went to a significantly better team and plays the position the Magic have no need at. You can't really play Hawes and Vucevic together.

It's weird you guys can't see the differences in all the bad examples you keep giving.

Frye spent 2/3rds of his minutes at center last year and historically has been far better as a center rather than a power forward.

ETA: His production at the 4 will probably slip much quicker than at the 5 as he gets older too, so I suspect that the Magic either signed a replacement level PF for $8M/year or a very nice backup center.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If we are celebrating Pat Patterson at $6m and ripping Frye to shreds at $8m, we are really splitting hairs in here.

Don't forget the extra year. 35 year old Frye for only $8M is a steal of a deal.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

Right. But he went to a significantly better team and plays the position the Magic have no need at. You can't really play Hawes and Vucevic together.

Also he clearly wanted to play on the west coast.

 

[Kev4029]

If we are celebrating Pat Patterson at $6m and ripping Frye to shreds at $8m, we are really splitting hairs in here.

Don't forget the extra year. 35 year old Frye for only $8M is a steal of a deal.

I'm not exactly smitten with Patterson, but it seems that the Raptors gave him a contract that will pay him for his future production while the Magic gave Frye his contract for past production. Frye for $8M on last season's production is a bit of an overpayment, but over the next 4 years its going to be bad. Patterson isn't likely to see a decline in his abilities between 25 and 28.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not enough LeBron talk in here lately

 

[Premier]

Who was available who can shoot it as well as him at his quantity?

You keep talking about these other 38% shooters as if it's the same thing.

Hawes was probably the closest in frequency and he shot it at a much higher percentage. He's also 6 years younger, bigger, better rebounder, passer, etc...

Right. But he went to a significantly better team and plays the position the Magic have no need at. You can't really play Hawes and Vucevic together.

Also he clearly wanted to play on the west coast.

Yea but he's clearly better and cheaper than Frye so the Magic should have just signed him.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Frye is going to suck it up pretty hard at $8M/per year. Book it. Sorry Cappy...again.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Also, why can't Hawes and Vucevic be on the floor at the same time? Racist.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If we are celebrating Pat Patterson at $6m and ripping Frye to shreds at $8m, we are really splitting hairs in here.

Don't forget the extra year. 35 year old Frye for only $8M is a steal of a deal.

I'm not exactly smitten with Patterson, but it seems that the Raptors gave him a contract that will pay him for his future production while the Magic gave Frye his contract for past production. Frye for $8M on last season's production is a bit of an overpayment, but over the next 4 years its going to be bad. Patterson isn't likely to see a decline in his abilities between 25 and 28.

Patterson was a much, much better player in Toronto than he was in Sacremento. If he continues that production, he'll be worth every penny. If he regresses back to his Sactown play, it'll be an overpay. I'd guess he'll regress a slight bit and the deal will end up being about right.

 

[Premier]

If we are celebrating Pat Patterson at $6m and ripping Frye to shreds at $8m, we are really splitting hairs in here.

Don't forget the extra year. 35 year old Frye for only $8M is a steal of a deal.

I'm not exactly smitten with Patterson, but it seems that the Raptors gave him a contract that will pay him for his future production while the Magic gave Frye his contract for past production. Frye for $8M on last season's production is a bit of an overpayment, but over the next 4 years its going to be bad. Patterson isn't likely to see a decline in his abilities between 25 and 28.

8m isn't a big deal with the cap shooting up. It's not even a big deal now.

 

[metoo]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

So you think everyone in the organization is from Cleveland?

Or is it just something in the water?

do not engage

No matter what Gilbert has never apologized for the letter.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

 

[fantasycurse42]

At 17/1, honest opinion, is it worth a couple of dollars on the Cavs?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

At 17/1, honest opinion, is it worth a couple of dollars on the Cavs?

if you can still get it

I'm seeing the price at 10/1 to 14/1 at my books now.

 

[metoo]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

I said that yesterday but the SAS haters came out.

 

[Abraham]

Why wouldn't Gilbert have taken that letter before today? Now there is a story about it just being taken down. If you're lebron, how do you sign with that idiot? So dumb.

It has been down for years.

How was I supposed to know?

Reading this thread?

Which page?

to be fair (according to the team at least)

it has been down for years yet still has been on their site. apparently there is not one person in the Cavs organization that knows how to delete a file. And, according to them, it was housed in a defunct CMS that they no longer used or had access too, but that still was accessible to the internet.

So even if they did not link to it, the lack of simple web/IT awareness in the organization would be shocking if they were not, you know, from Cleveland

So you think everyone in the organization is from Cleveland?

Or is it just something in the water?

do not engage

No matter what Gilbert has never apologized for the letter.

How do you know he hasn't apologized to Lebron? "I was angry and hurt and bitter, I'm sorry." "You know, I could have handled the announcement better. I'm sorry too."

 

[fantasycurse42]

At 17/1, honest opinion, is it worth a couple of dollars on the Cavs?

if you can still get it

I'm seeing the price at 10/1 to 14/1 at my books now.

http://www.vegas.com/gaming/futures/nba-championship/

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

First link is from 7/3... Shows 40/1

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187651/cleveland-cavaliers-attracting-bets-vegas-books

 

[Bob Sacamano]

not enough LeBron talk in here lately

But... Channing Frye!!!

 

[Captain Quinoa]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

John Schuhmann ‏@johnschuhmann 33m Q: How could the Heat operate as a capped team (signing McBob & Granger w/ exceptions) & also sign Melo w/ cap space


Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 29m
@johnschuhmann They cannot. League execs questioning why they made McRoberts commitment now. Most popular answer: They expect to keep Bosh

 

[Bob Sacamano]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

I said that yesterday but the SAS haters came out.

The Heat still can't give Melo and James max deals. I have to think that's a problem in this scenario.

 

[Bobcat10]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

I said that yesterday but the SAS haters came out.

Very possible...but some have been reporting it has been LAL or NY for a couple days now.

 

[fantasycurse42]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

I said that yesterday but the SAS haters came out.

Very possible...but some have been reporting it has been LAL or NY for a couple days now.

Reports out of NY are that it is NY or LAL, not much talk of MIA...

Hypothetically, he pairs with Lebron and they don't win a title, who does it tarnish more?

 

[Bobcat10]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

I said that yesterday but the SAS haters came out.

The Heat still can't give Melo and James max deals. I have to think that's a problem in this scenario.

Without question Melo and/or Lebron would have to take cuts. Lebron's camp says he isn't signing for less. Seems like the NY/LAL options for Melo are becoming legit.

 

[pollardsvision]

If you think the Frye deal is bad, wait until you see what 4x22 of Chris Bosh looks like in a few years.

It sounds great now, but when he's 33 going on his 6th straight year of being on a team telling him, "hey, we're better off if you just stay out of the paint", I have a feeling HOU will start to wonder why they didn't just go get a Frye.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

At 17/1, honest opinion, is it worth a couple of dollars on the Cavs?

if you can still get it

I'm seeing the price at 10/1 to 14/1 at my books now.

http://www.vegas.com/gaming/futures/nba-championship/

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

First link is from 7/3... Shows 40/1

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187651/cleveland-cavaliers-attracting-bets-vegas-books

with the way the LeBron news is going, I'm guessing there's no chance the books in Vegas are still hanging those odds. they almost always offer worse future odds than what you can find at online sportsbooks.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

RealGM ‏@RealGM 2m

Carl2680: Carmelo won't make decision until LeBron makes his. He's also eliminated the Bulls, Mavs & Rockets

If bosh goes to Houston, melo and lebron in Miami might be real.

John Schuhmann ‏@johnschuhmann 33m Q: How could the Heat operate as a capped team (signing McBob & Granger w/ exceptions) & also sign Melo w/ cap space

Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 29m

@johnschuhmann They cannot. League execs questioning why they made McRoberts commitment now. Most popular answer: They expect to keep Bosh

Nobody has signed anything yet.

 

[fantasycurse42]

At 17/1, honest opinion, is it worth a couple of dollars on the Cavs?

if you can still get it

I'm seeing the price at 10/1 to 14/1 at my books now.

http://www.vegas.com/gaming/futures/nba-championship/

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

First link is from 7/3... Shows 40/1

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11187651/cleveland-cavaliers-attracting-bets-vegas-books

with the way the LeBron news is going, I'm guessing there's no chance the books in Vegas are still hanging those odds. they almost always offer worse future odds than what you can find at online sportsbooks.

Yea, but they took a bet a few days back at 40/1 - I can't see them just dropping the odds from 40 to like 15ish in a week with no signing and no confirmation of anything beyond a few rumors floating around. I'll be at MGM Saturday, curious to see what they are then.

 

[Kev4029]

If we are celebrating Pat Patterson at $6m and ripping Frye to shreds at $8m, we are really splitting hairs in here.

Don't forget the extra year. 35 year old Frye for only $8M is a steal of a deal.

I'm not exactly smitten with Patterson, but it seems that the Raptors gave him a contract that will pay him for his future production while the Magic gave Frye his contract for past production. Frye for $8M on last season's production is a bit of an overpayment, but over the next 4 years its going to be bad. Patterson isn't likely to see a decline in his abilities between 25 and 28.

8m isn't a big deal with the cap shooting up. It's not even a big deal now.

Its not a big deal this year or probably next but its a signing that gives zero benefit to the Magic, IMO. They should be looking to improve their future, not their present. IMO they should be looking to overpay somebody like Hayward who can grow with the team if they want to spend money. At best with Frye, he helps them win some more games the next couple year, at worst, he helps them win a few too many games this year and then is $8M of dead weight his last two years. If they were to offer Haywood a max contract (an overpayment for sure), he could end up blossoming into one of the top half dozen wings in the the NBA, or at worst he is a very capable SF that is overpaid by 50% who's contract runs out a year before the extensions of Payton and Gordon kick in.