got_nugs
Footballguy
Absolutely. Or I was curious about this 'message' after the game and wanted others opinions on how over the top it was considering what he'd just NOT done.Either-Or.
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ArbyMelt
Footballguy
its not important when the ball hits the floor, its when it comes in/out of his hands. I am not sure if you are talking about the beginning of a dribble or the end of a dribble. But if you are talking about the end, once the dribble stops (ball comes into both hands - or could be one hand carry), the dribbler can use either foot as a pivot. If one foot is in the air, when that foot comes down it can be the pivot. The player can then elevate off the pivot and shoot (i.e, a layup).'mozzy84 said:
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Heat fans>
If you're Riley, would you trade James for Howard (and a max. extension) straight up?
If you're Riley, would you trade James for Howard (and a max. extension) straight up?
got_nugs
Footballguy
Not unless we got a preseason parade somehow too.
boubucarow
Footballguy
I don't see how they should turn this deal down. The Heat's biggest problem aside from the lack of depth is that their two best players do not complement one another on the offensive end and Howard would fill an offensive hole for the Heat creating greater spacing. In addition, at his defensive best James still doesn't have the impact of Howard.
timschochet
Footballguy
CNN just reported that the governor of Ohio has named the Dallas Mavericks honorary citizens of Ohio.
the moops
Footballguy
Good god that state is pathetic.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Well, that is a lot of tax revenue they are now entitled to.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
No way.
I would trade Wade for Howard.
got_nugs
Footballguy
I read he got an email about this months ago but decided to keep it quiet as to not jeopardize the post season for the Mavs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Still 1/82nd. State income gets apportioned to where it is earned, regardless of residency.Ditto for the cities. Typical NBAer has to file 22-25 state and city returns.Well, that is a lot of tax revenue they are now entitled to.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
I'm not familiar with the power of "The Greater Man" but if he can get Lebron to play inside the 3pt line and not act like a gigantic ##### in every big moment, the Heat should sign him up as their next coach.'Good said:LeBron twitter:
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
That is being very unfair to Jet, actually.'tommyGunZ said:
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
'Abraham said:
I didn't want to get into this, but so be it. Like you said, Rose is very young, and let's be real, no one is comparing Rose to the best of all time. Lebron did not perform well in his 1st NBA finals, but he got a pass because of his age and surrounding cast. I have no problem with Lebron getting a pass against the Spurs, much like I have no problem with giving Rose a pass this year. If Rose comes back in a few years with a surrounding cast like the 2011 Miami Heat and plays like Lebron did against Dallas, then yeah, he'll be criticized. I'm a fan of Tobias, but he's coming across really bad in this thread.ETA: What's disturbing about Lebron's play in the finals is that he appeared to NOT want to be part of the offense. I get passing the ball. He's very good at it, and it's a very important part of the game. But Lebron's passing wasn't exactly great in this series. Good, maybe, but not even close to being great. If he was getting "swarmed" or "double-teamed" as often as some of you have claimed, then why didn't he have more assists? Sorry, but Lebron backed out of the offense. Why? I have no clue other than to say he doesn't have the mental make-up at this time to face adversity.
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RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
I loved people trying to defend this comment today and how it was taken out of context
So defensive and in such denial.GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I agree. I tried to stay of of the Lebron discussion but took the bait like most.'got_nugs said:
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
It worked if he did because James isn't the man in MiamiTo me there is no doubt that the Heat are Wade's team
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GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Not a Heat fan, and it is close, but my answer is yes. I would take Dwight Howard over any player in the NBA right now, but I also think the Center position is the most important, and hardest position to fill in the NBA. Name another center who is even in the ballpark of Dwight Howard right now. If Lebron could play the 4, then I might consider keeping him. I'm not saying Lebron has to move to the forward position, but he should be able to play it when needed. As has been said a number of times, Lebron is more Magic than Michael. Well, Magic could play the block. I've yet to see that from Lebron. I think Lebron has the ability to play the block, but he appears to want to be the primary ball handler at this point and has no interest in mixing it up on the block.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Link? I've never seen Kasich show anything that actually resembled a sense of humor.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Any guesses on what he might have in mind in lieu of rings?
Instinctive
Footballguy
I think it's a pretty easy comment to defend. We're criticizing a guy who made more money by the time he was able to drink than most people make in their lifetime. He's living the dream of a ton of people - would you honestly say that you'd rather do whatever it is you do right now if given the choice between that and being an NBA superstar making $20 million a year and who just got to play in the NBA Finals? I like LeBron's comments like this. I find it really refreshing that he notices "Hey, if my biggest problem is people questioning whether I'm the G.O.A.T. or simply freakin incredible, I'm ok with my life."The Decision? Hated it. The idiotic preseason thing? Hated it. Stuff like this? I love it. This is what I would say. The worst thing that happens is what, oooo the media hates on you more? Big flippin deal. He's nto a politician, so it really doesn't matter one little bit whether or not the majority of people like him or hate him.And oh yeah - Go Mavs baby. Hitting the parade next week!I loved people trying to defend this comment today and how it was taken out of context
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
Personally, I would trade any player in the NBA for Howard straight up. Except Blake Griffin - and that's only because he makes about a third as much money as D12. Contracts not an issue, I take Dwight over everyone.
culdeus
Footballguy
I'm hoping for championship belts like boxing.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Look a few posts above, 20384. We're on the same page.Personally, I would trade any player in the NBA for Howard straight up. Except Blake Griffin - and that's only because he makes about a third as much money as D12. Contracts not an issue, I take Dwight over everyone.
Instinctive
Footballguy
GLM - saw it, and mostly same page.
LeBron's highest PER and best performance this year (regular season at least) was whenever he played the PF. Unless the Heat can get a good/great Center, a bargain of some sort or something...Their best lineup will be Chalmers-Wade-somebody-James-Bosh. In fact, Their best lineup could be
xxx - wade - xxx - James - Bosh
Where they don't even use a PG...because LBJ can do that.
LeBron's highest PER and best performance this year (regular season at least) was whenever he played the PF. Unless the Heat can get a good/great Center, a bargain of some sort or something...Their best lineup will be Chalmers-Wade-somebody-James-Bosh. In fact, Their best lineup could be
xxx - wade - xxx - James - Bosh
Where they don't even use a PG...because LBJ can do that.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Thanks. That's interesting. How many games did Lebron play PF? I do know that when I watch the Heat, I come away thinking the Bosh is a soft 4, which I have no problems with. The guy can shoot a jumper. That said, if Lebron is more effective as a PF, then how do you fit Bosh and Lebron on the court at the same time? Can Bosh play the 3? On a side note, do you agree with me that Lebron doesn't appear to want to play the block, or is it because the Heat wants Bosh and Lebron on the court at the same time?ETA: Sorry, I see that you're referencing Miami's best lineup as Bosh playing the 5. Based on what I've seen this year, I can't say that you're wrong. It's just hard to watch Bosh play the 5. And yes, Lebron can play the point. He's very good at it.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Hopefully something like this:http://www.hiphoprx.com/content/uploads/2009/06/t-pain-big-###-chain-jewelry.jpg
Instinctive
Footballguy
I'd have to dig it up from where I saw it - they flexed their lineup a ton. It's a small sample size, but LeBron at the 4 with Bosh at the 5 for a small lineup is one that the Heat used for around 100 minutes this year. I think sometimes we stick too much with traditional lineups. The Heat ought to have a lineup like that, where Wade very well could be the smallest guy on the floor. The other two with the Big Three ought to be knockdown shooters/strong rebounders.Then I'd try to add a couple Zaza-esque guys (like Joel Anthony) to bang with Howard each postseason (which may or may not be an issue until the Finals in two years).
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Yes, I'm as guilty of that as much as anyone.ETA: The Heat should flex their lineup more than any other team. That should be the advantage that Lebron brings to the team.
Also, no need to dig it up. I trust you. Was just curious on the numbers.
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Kev4029
Footballguy
He played 14% of the team's total minutes at PF and 62% of the team's minutes at SF.
got_nugs
Footballguy
Dude he cried for this team! How can you hate bang on him for caring? Dude had an eye poked out and drained a mid-ranger with one eye. So lost in all this hoopla is how good he can be....doing what he does best which is NOT being DHoward.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Dallas killed the Heat up front - especially in game 6. It's not all about caring really really hard and putting the ball in the basket. He rebounds like a ####.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Didn't LeBron also cry? Odd double standard here.
got_nugs
Footballguy
@RedRaiders-
So? You point something out, though...that I meant to discuss earlier. The Heat made their bed with these guys, time to lay in it. There is not only UD/Miller hopefully back to full health next year, there will be money to sign a big man(or 3) next year. UD makes a huge difference and was the most important and 1st signing the Heat did after the main 3. You don't deal LBJ, Wade or Bosh for 4 more years. You build around them, try to coach them and provide them with whatever you can and hope for the best. Tinkering to tinker shows weakness and I think Riley would have none of that. This wasn't a single year band-aid for Miami, it was/is an attempt at something special. I would assume sans-injury, Wade, James, Bosh are elite(if you will) for another 2/3 years before Wade maybe slows a little due to age and style of play? Run it through. Stand up and take the egg on your face if it doesn't work. As a fan i'd much prefer than than the knee jerk suggestions of dealing LBJ for anyone else in the NBA.
I say give it time. If anything, try to emulate the Mavs successful blueprint. Surround your studs with solids.
Who was the last Stud TRUE Center to win a title?
So? You point something out, though...that I meant to discuss earlier. The Heat made their bed with these guys, time to lay in it. There is not only UD/Miller hopefully back to full health next year, there will be money to sign a big man(or 3) next year. UD makes a huge difference and was the most important and 1st signing the Heat did after the main 3. You don't deal LBJ, Wade or Bosh for 4 more years. You build around them, try to coach them and provide them with whatever you can and hope for the best. Tinkering to tinker shows weakness and I think Riley would have none of that. This wasn't a single year band-aid for Miami, it was/is an attempt at something special. I would assume sans-injury, Wade, James, Bosh are elite(if you will) for another 2/3 years before Wade maybe slows a little due to age and style of play? Run it through. Stand up and take the egg on your face if it doesn't work. As a fan i'd much prefer than than the knee jerk suggestions of dealing LBJ for anyone else in the NBA.
I say give it time. If anything, try to emulate the Mavs successful blueprint. Surround your studs with solids.
Who was the last Stud TRUE Center to win a title?
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got_nugs
Footballguy
Did he? I hadn't heard that at all. Link? Thanks.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
I just thought he was crying at the end of the game? I don't have a link.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
Kev4029
Footballguy
There haven't been a whole lot of stud true centers since the early 90s. But, Shaq and Duncan have won 6 of the last 12 championships as stud centers (I'm not including Duncan's first two championships when he was a PF) and Ben Wallace won a championship with the Pistons as the best defensive center since Hakeem. By my count thats 7 of the last 12 with the last one in 06-07 (Spurs), with only the Lakers (twice, with part time stud center Gasol), Mavs, and Spurs (Duncan at PF, old Robinson playing 23 mpg in the playoffs) not having a stud true center.
Britney Spears
guest speaker
It's too bad the Mavs didn't win the championship this year, LeBron James simply lost it.
JMon348
Footballguy
got_nugs
Footballguy
Ah, yeah it's entirely possible. I was referring to the mid-season crygate. I don't think you'd hear me hating on any of those guys for crying. Except maybe Bibby.
got_nugs
Footballguy
Could you stretch that back to 15 years to include the last 3-peat of Chicago? I think then it's 7-15. Either way we're flirting with 50% over the past decade and a half. Just thinking it doesn't seem vital to have a premier center in todays NBA, although i'm not making a stance either way. Just thinking out loud, I guess.
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