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It has become my opinion that James would like to stay in Cleveland but with all the moves predicted to be made and the Cavs cap and talent situation he simply can not stay there and win a Championship in the next few years.

If he wants to win he will be forced to make a move.

The East can get real good , real quick if the big free agents do what they predict:

Joe Johnson and Amare to the Knicks

Wade and Bosh in Miami

Boozer in NJ , possibly Gay

Pierce stays in Boston , keeping the majority of that older but good team intact.

also toss in the possibility of Carmello being traded to an east team with a ton of cap room too..

plus that still leaves a very good Orlando team , decent Atlanta and Chicago squads ..and Wash, Philly, and NJ all had top draft picks who could make a difference sooner than later.

Looks like a tough or impossible takes for Lebron to stay in Cleveland and do everything himself....

 
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Jordan is still the highest paid basketball player according to Forbes. Michael Jordan – $55MKobe Bryant – $48MLebron James – $43MShaquille O’Neal – $31MMiami is less marketable than Chicago, while NY is more marketable than Chicago. In NY he would have the worst situation in terms of being able to win a championship, and in Miami the best at least the next 3 years. making Chicago a perfect medium. assuming they get a Lebron and Bosh/Dirk/JJ/Boozer. as of this moment I think its between the Heats(40%ish) and the Bulls(40%ish).
I have no faith in Pax to get it done.
 
1. How many max players can each team afford?

We're in the midst of an arms race. Teams have spent as much as two years preparing for this week -- for example, Knicks president of basketball operations Donnie Walsh's first order of business upon taking the reins in 2008 was to circle Thursday, July 1, 2010 on his calendar. Every move he's made since then has been with an eye on this week.

With this year's banner crop of free agents about to hit the open market, teams are racing to get as lean as possible -- trying to shed any extra salary in order to wave a maximum offer at LeBron James, Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh. Perhaps two of them. Dare they hope for all three?

The race picked up at the February trade deadline. The Knicks sacrificed Jordan Hill and future draft considerations for the chance to remove Jared Jeffries' expensive contract from their books. With a deal that extended through the 2010-11 season, Jeffries was a liability. The Clippers moved Al Thornton for Drew Gooden's ending contract. The Bulls did the same with John Salmons, acquiring the ending contracts of Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander.

This month's draft saw a final flurry of activity before the free-agent gates open. The Heat gave away the 18th pick -- point guard Eric Bledsoe -- and Daequan Cook to the Thunder. The Bulls dumped Kirk Hinrich and first-round pick Kevin Seraphin for a future second-round pick from the Wizards.

These teams are now lean and mean, and ready to go shopping.

No fewer than eight teams are within striking distance of having the ability to offer a maximum free-agent contract. Four of them are imagining life with two new superstars in their fold. But some of these teams still have work to do if they want to see their plans come to fruition.

We'll adopt a new unit of measure for this review -- the MC. Just as "grand" is common parlance for $1,000, an MC refers to a specific dollar amount. In fact, a very specific amount -- $16,568,908. This is the maximum salary to which LeBron James, Chris Bosh or Dwyane Wade can be signed. One MC equals $16,568,908; two MCs equal $33,137,816. When we refer to a team having two MCs, it means it has enough cap room to sign two of the premier free agents to maximum salary contracts.

But this science is inexact -- for one, players have different maximum salaries. A player can sign for up to 105 percent of his previous salary, even if it's above the league-wide maximum. This is how the $16,568,908 value of the MC was derived -- James, Bosh and Wade each made $15,779,912 in 2009-10. But some players like Amare Stoudemire had higher salaries in 2009-10, so their 2010-11 maximum salary is also higher. Stoudemire's maximum salary is $18,770,405, so a franchise hoping to land the former Sun might need to clear extra cap room. Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce have a maximum of $20,785,500; Yao Ming's is $17,197,241.

Teams in the hunt for two maximum free agents are helped a little bit by the cap holds associated with empty roster spots. If a team has fewer than 12 roster spots accounted for by a player, an unsigned first-round draft pick or free-agent Bird rights, then it incurs a cap hold equivalent to the rookie minimum salary -- $473,604 -- for each spot fewer than 12. If a team has two MCs -- $33,137,816 -- then it actually has slightly more than enough to sign two maximum free agents. One cap hold is released when the team signs its first free agent, freeing $473,604 from its cap and giving it a little extra spending power.

With all that said, here are the players in this summer's free-agent hunt.

New York Knicks

Maximum cap room: 2.06 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents. The Knicks also have the ability to hang on to David Lee's Bird rights, which would leave them with about 1.5 MCs -- they can't sign two maximum free agents and keep Lee.

What can they do to get more? As expected, Eddy Curry invoked his contract option and his $11.3 million salary remains on the Knicks' books. There isn't much hope of getting to three MCs.



New Jersey Nets

Maximum cap room: 2.00 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Kris Humphries must decline his contract option and become a free agent. The Nets also need to renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? The Nets were about $3.33 million short of two MCs, and needed to find a taker for Yi Jianlian. They did exactly that on Tuesday, sending Yi to the Wizards for Quinton Ross. Mikhail Prokhorov's team now has the wherewithal to land two maximum free agents -- potentially upstaging the neighboring Knicks.

Chicago Bulls

Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

Miami Heat

Maximum cap room: 1.67 MCs (with Wade re-signed); 2.64 MCs (if Wade leaves)

What needs to happen to get to this amount?: This may be counterintuitive, but the Heat gain more cap room if Wade becomes a free agent than if he invokes the option in his contract to stay with the team through 2010-11. Wade needs to become a free agent. The Heat already have declined the team option on Kenny Hasbrouck. They also released James Jones, whose $4.65 million salary was guaranteed for just $1.86 million -- clearing an additional $2.79 million from the team's books.

What can they do to get more? There's not much left to trim from their roster. To keep Wade and go after both James and Bosh, they'd need to convince at least one of the free agents to take less. Even moving Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers for nothing wouldn't create enough cap room to sign all three star free agents at the full maximum.

Los Angeles Clippers

Maximum cap room: 1.02 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Clippers did most of their work at the February trade deadline, and have just enough cap room to sign one maximum free agent (but not a player with a higher maximum such as Amare Stoudemire). But will players come?

What can they do to get more? It's no secret that the Clippers aren't enamored with Baron Davis' contributions over the last two seasons, and would welcome a reasonable deal to unload his expensive contract. But even dumping Davis for nothing wouldn't be enough to get the Clippers to two MCs.

Sacramento Kings

Maximum cap room: 0.93 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? The Kings lost their ability to sign a maximum free agent when they traded for Samuel Dalembert earlier this month. Another $1.21 million needs to come off the books to clear enough cap room. This could be accomplished by removing Omri Casspi's $1.25 million salary.



Milwaukee Bucks

Maximum cap room: 0.92 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? To get to one MC the Bucks need to trim another $1.37 million from the payroll. Waiving Carlos Delfino -- signed for $3.5 million but guaranteed for just $500,000 -- would get the job done.

Boston Celtics

Maximum cap room: 0.61 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.



Washington Wizards

Maximum cap room: 0.45 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Decline Josh Howard's team option, renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? By acquiring Kirk Hinrich and the rights to first-round pick Kevin Seraphin from the Bulls, the Wizards took themselves off the market for a maximum free agent. Trading Quinton Ross for Yi Jianlian further cemented their role as a team that will not be swinging for the fences this summer.

Larry Coon is the author of the NBA Salary Cap FAQ. Follow Larry at Twitter.

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Moving on: I was watching ESPN’s Free Agency Summit last night and I think Wilbon made a great point stating, when asked to predict the number of titles Lebron would win, that he was starting with a max-ceiling of ‘5’. I think that’s what most people, especially those who maintain that he’ll stay in Cleveland, just don’t get. This guy does not have time. He has 7 years of mileage already on his body. People pointing to Jordan as their proof just don’t get the concept of mileage. It’s not age, it’s mileage. Jordan didn’t come in at 18 and also took two years off. I hear so many people say, “oh, but Lebron has such a great body!” as if you can always foresee a forthcoming breakdown. He may not play like one, but he’s a human being. Lebron James has a very small window and even two rings is not enough. That’s why he must leave.This brings me to my next point as Miami and Chicago have somewhat cemented themselves as the frontrunner landing spots. Miami is rooming in college with your best friend. You guys always have wild times together, it’s been your lifelong dreams, and it seems like a great idea until it happens. But you need to room with Chicago. Chicago will pay the bill on time, won’t leave a mess everywhere or bring home strange people. He’ll keep it down and won’t negatively influence you.In my mind, this is what it boils down to. You know the temptation of Miami is killing James but he needs to pick the smart choice. For one, he and Bosh can step into that Bulls lineup and win the title immediately, whereas in Miami, they would need to wait at least another year for a draft pick and MLE signing to provide, not some depth, but an NBA roster. But more than that, it’s about Dwayne Wade. (I should preface by saying that I’m not one of those people that think James and Wade couldn’t coexist on the court – I firmly believe all great players can thrive off of each other. When you’re great, you see things normal players don’t see and it makes the game more fun when playing with someone with similar superpowers.) Dwayne Wade is old. 28 to be exact. I just don’t know how many years he has left in his body considering his playing style and his smallish stature. For a guy like James who needs to be chasing 4 rings, the 21 year old Rose is the smarter bet.
 
Lebatard reporting that Bosh to Miami in a sign and trade.

Miami-based sports writer Dan LeBatard is reporting that Chris Bosh may be sent to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony.So far this is an unconfirmed report, and in any case it cannot become official until the stroke of midnight. Jun. 30 - 10:57 am et
This is on Rotoworld via Eric Smith's tweeter acct.
 
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Lebatard reporting that Bosh to Miami in a sign and trade.

Miami-based sports writer Dan LeBatard is reporting that Chris Bosh may be sent to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony.So far this is an unconfirmed report, and in any case it cannot become official until the stroke of midnight. Jun. 30 - 10:57 am et
This is on Rotoworld via Eric Smith's tweeter acct.
Raptors...OOF
 
Lebatard reporting that Bosh to Miami in a sign and trade.

Miami-based sports writer Dan LeBatard is reporting that Chris Bosh may be sent to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony.So far this is an unconfirmed report, and in any case it cannot become official until the stroke of midnight. Jun. 30 - 10:57 am et
This is on Rotoworld via Eric Smith's tweeter acct.
Everything I've heard out of Toronto is that they have zero interest in Beasley. Why would the Raptors do this trade?
 
As a Pistons fan, I'm tempted to drive to Auburn Hills to smack Joe Dumars upside the head. Looking back a couple of years, the whole Billups for Iverson trade, and Rasheed's expiring contract were supposed to free up cap space for this year's free agent class. Instead, he decided to use that cap room last offseason on Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon. I know they wouldn't have been in the running for LeBron or Wade, but they could have at least had a chance at one of the other top available FAs. Instead, they have $20 million a year tied up in a 6th man and an alleged wife beater who averaged 12 & 5 last season. Not to mention Rip Hamilton's albatross of a contract that they're stuck with through 2013, I believe. It's going to be quite a while before we see another winning season around here from the looks of it.

 
from red94

Moving on: I was watching ESPN’s Free Agency Summit last night and I think Wilbon made a great point stating, when asked to predict the number of titles Lebron would win, that he was starting with a max-ceiling of ‘5’. I think that’s what most people, especially those who maintain that he’ll stay in Cleveland, just don’t get. This guy does not have time. He has 7 years of mileage already on his body. People pointing to Jordan as their proof just don’t get the concept of mileage. It’s not age, it’s mileage. Jordan didn’t come in at 18 and also took two years off. I hear so many people say, “oh, but Lebron has such a great body!” as if you can always foresee a forthcoming breakdown. He may not play like one, but he’s a human being. Lebron James has a very small window and even two rings is not enough. That’s why he must leave.This brings me to my next point as Miami and Chicago have somewhat cemented themselves as the frontrunner landing spots. Miami is rooming in college with your best friend. You guys always have wild times together, it’s been your lifelong dreams, and it seems like a great idea until it happens. But you need to room with Chicago. Chicago will pay the bill on time, won’t leave a mess everywhere or bring home strange people. He’ll keep it down and won’t negatively influence you.In my mind, this is what it boils down to. You know the temptation of Miami is killing James but he needs to pick the smart choice. For one, he and Bosh can step into that Bulls lineup and win the title immediately, whereas in Miami, they would need to wait at least another year for a draft pick and MLE signing to provide, not some depth, but an NBA roster. But more than that, it’s about Dwayne Wade. (I should preface by saying that I’m not one of those people that think James and Wade couldn’t coexist on the court – I firmly believe all great players can thrive off of each other. When you’re great, you see things normal players don’t see and it makes the game more fun when playing with someone with similar superpowers.) Dwayne Wade is old. 28 to be exact. I just don’t know how many years he has left in his body considering his playing style and his smallish stature. For a guy like James who needs to be chasing 4 rings, the 21 year old Rose is the smarter bet.
he doesn't understand what age brings to the table: experience. what rose has in youth, wade has in experience. one need not look any further than this season's playoffs to understand what experience means in a championship run. rose hasn't won anything and has a rookie head coach. they haven't been out of the first round since rose was drafted in fact. not that the heat have fared about better but i would trust wade before anyone on the bulls.
 
Lebatard reporting that Bosh to Miami in a sign and trade.

Miami-based sports writer Dan LeBatard is reporting that Chris Bosh may be sent to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony.So far this is an unconfirmed report, and in any case it cannot become official until the stroke of midnight. Jun. 30 - 10:57 am et
This is on Rotoworld via Eric Smith's tweeter acct.
Everything I've heard out of Toronto is that they have zero interest in Beasley. Why would the Raptors do this trade?
because they have almost no leverage and it's better to get something than nothing?
 
Lebatard reporting that Bosh to Miami in a sign and trade.

Miami-based sports writer Dan LeBatard is reporting that Chris Bosh may be sent to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony.So far this is an unconfirmed report, and in any case it cannot become official until the stroke of midnight. Jun. 30 - 10:57 am et
This is on Rotoworld via Eric Smith's tweeter acct.
Everything I've heard out of Toronto is that they have zero interest in Beasley. Why would the Raptors do this trade?
because they have almost no leverage and it's better to get something than nothing?
Sometimes nothing is better than getting something with a bad contract.
 
Is Beasley already considered a bust around the league?
he is a lazy defender, to be sure, but he's still learning the pro game. personally, i think he would thrive in a different environment. he needs a tougher coach than spoelestra. it's no coincidence that he was called "beast-ley" while playing for huggins at kstate.
 
from red94

Moving on: I was watching ESPN’s Free Agency Summit last night and I think Wilbon made a great point stating, when asked to predict the number of titles Lebron would win, that he was starting with a max-ceiling of ‘5’. I think that’s what most people, especially those who maintain that he’ll stay in Cleveland, just don’t get. This guy does not have time. He has 7 years of mileage already on his body. People pointing to Jordan as their proof just don’t get the concept of mileage. It’s not age, it’s mileage. Jordan didn’t come in at 18 and also took two years off. I hear so many people say, “oh, but Lebron has such a great body!” as if you can always foresee a forthcoming breakdown. He may not play like one, but he’s a human being. Lebron James has a very small window and even two rings is not enough. That’s why he must leave.

This brings me to my next point as Miami and Chicago have somewhat cemented themselves as the frontrunner landing spots. Miami is rooming in college with your best friend. You guys always have wild times together, it’s been your lifelong dreams, and it seems like a great idea until it happens. But you need to room with Chicago. Chicago will pay the bill on time, won’t leave a mess everywhere or bring home strange people. He’ll keep it down and won’t negatively influence you.

In my mind, this is what it boils down to. You know the temptation of Miami is killing James but he needs to pick the smart choice. For one, he and Bosh can step into that Bulls lineup and win the title immediately, whereas in Miami, they would need to wait at least another year for a draft pick and MLE signing to provide, not some depth, but an NBA roster. But more than that, it’s about Dwayne Wade. (I should preface by saying that I’m not one of those people that think James and Wade couldn’t coexist on the court – I firmly believe all great players can thrive off of each other. When you’re great, you see things normal players don’t see and it makes the game more fun when playing with someone with similar superpowers.) Dwayne Wade is old. 28 to be exact. I just don’t know how many years he has left in his body considering his playing style and his smallish stature. For a guy like James who needs to be chasing 4 rings, the 21 year old Rose is the smarter bet.
he doesn't understand what age brings to the table: experience. what rose has in youth, wade has in experience. one need not look any further than this season's playoffs to understand what experience means in a championship run. rose hasn't won anything and has a rookie head coach. they haven't been out of the first round since rose was drafted in fact. not that the heat have fared about better but i would trust wade before anyone on the bulls.
Both haven't fared very well and Lebron does have a lot of wear and tear and not getting any younger. Both of you bring up some valid points so I think it'll depend does Bron want to join a team that has youth and excellent talent with a better chance at winning more championships or pull something like KG and Ray Allen did when joining the Celtics where the window is much smaller and the odds of winning more titles aren't as good.
 
Lebatard reporting that Bosh to Miami in a sign and trade.

Miami-based sports writer Dan LeBatard is reporting that Chris Bosh may be sent to the Heat in a sign-and-trade for Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, and Joel Anthony.So far this is an unconfirmed report, and in any case it cannot become official until the stroke of midnight. Jun. 30 - 10:57 am et
This is on Rotoworld via Eric Smith's tweeter acct.
Everything I've heard out of Toronto is that they have zero interest in Beasley. Why would the Raptors do this trade?
because they have almost no leverage and it's better to get something than nothing?
Nothing is far better than that trio. They don't have to appease Bosh.
 
If you report that someone "may" be traded you aren't really reporting anything.

For example, LeBron may become an astronaut. See what I just did?

 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.

 
Sometimes nothing is better than getting something with a bad contract.
both joel anthony and chalmers are paid peanuts. beasley's rookie contract is for less than $5m going into this year and has a team option at the end. taking on these contracts are is not "bad" or onerous. beasley is should be motivated to perform for that extension and i get the sense that he's maturing from some of his statements of late.
 
Both haven't fared very well and Lebron does have a lot of wear and tear and not getting any younger. Both of you bring up some valid points so I think it'll depend does Bron want to join a team that has youth and excellent talent with a better chance at winning more championships or pull something like KG and Ray Allen did when joining the Celtics where the window is much smaller and the odds of winning more titles aren't as good.
when did 25 or 28 become old in this league? if anything, players careers are longer than they have ever been. all of this talk blather about mileage is pretty silly. kobe has changed his game at 32 and he's put more mileage on that body than just about anyone in the league. there is no reason to believe that wade or lebron couldn't do the same.
 
Anthony and Chalmers are both free agents. So they would have to be signed to new deals before being traded. Makes even less sense. I doubt either of them would be wanting to sign one year deals and I doubt the Raptors want them at all, especially on new contracts.

 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
 
Anthony and Chalmers are both free agents. So they would have to be signed to new deals before being traded. Makes even less sense. I doubt either of them would be wanting to sign one year deals and I doubt the Raptors want them at all, especially on new contracts.
heat picked up chalmers' contract last week. anthony was signed last night, i believe.
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
It isn't about the money, its about the status. These guys keep score by who is paid the most.
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
Neither of those guys are going to catch Jordan (and eventually Kobe). They know it. It's about the money. I'm not sure Lebron is grounded enough to "allow" a team to be put together around him that'll win.
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
It isn't about the money, its about the status. These guys keep score by who is paid the most.
Ya, I'm not assuming what he said at all. I'm just using what I think is very common sense.
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
It isn't about the money, its about the status. These guys keep score by who is paid the most.
rings are the ultimate career validation. when you can move into silly money and rings like kobe and timmy have then you have something special.
 
Miami Heat

Maximum cap room: 1.67 MCs (with Wade re-signed); 2.64 MCs (if Wade leaves)

What needs to happen to get to this amount?: This may be counterintuitive, but the Heat gain more cap room if Wade becomes a free agent than if he invokes the option in his contract to stay with the team through 2010-11. Wade needs to become a free agent. The Heat already have declined the team option on Kenny Hasbrouck. They also released James Jones, whose $4.65 million salary was guaranteed for just $1.86 million -- clearing an additional $2.79 million from the team's books.

What can they do to get more? There's not much left to trim from their roster. To keep Wade and go after both James and Bosh, they'd need to convince at least one of the free agents to take less. Even moving Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers for nothing wouldn't create enough cap room to sign all three star free agents at the full maximum.
it's not gonna happen, people. they only have 2 2/3 max contracts available. while money may not be everything to these guys, i can't see one of them taking less money than the other two. and splitting it 3 ways would cost them each 2+ million a year from the max, or about 1 million plus whatever they "lose" by not re-signing with their own team. even if TOR and CLE were willing to, there's no way they can do SnT's for both. Pipe dream.

 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
Neither of those guys are going to catch Jordan (and eventually Kobe). They know it. It's about the money. I'm not sure Lebron is grounded enough to "allow" a team to be put together around him that'll win.
i think we get it: you hate lebron. can you do something other than denigrate the guy at every single turn? show some range. i'm not a fanboy of lebron by any stretch of the imaginate but i'm willing to cut him just a little ####### slack.
 
Both haven't fared very well and Lebron does have a lot of wear and tear and not getting any younger. Both of you bring up some valid points so I think it'll depend does Bron want to join a team that has youth and excellent talent with a better chance at winning more championships or pull something like KG and Ray Allen did when joining the Celtics where the window is much smaller and the odds of winning more titles aren't as good.
when did 25 or 28 become old in this league? if anything, players careers are longer than they have ever been. all of this talk blather about mileage is pretty silly. kobe has changed his game at 32 and he's put more mileage on that body than just about anyone in the league. there is no reason to believe that wade or lebron couldn't do the same.
For Lebron/Kobe it started with them allowed at the time to start playing at 18. It's mileage not age.
 
Anthony and Chalmers are both free agents. So they would have to be signed to new deals before being traded. Makes even less sense. I doubt either of them would be wanting to sign one year deals and I doubt the Raptors want them at all, especially on new contracts.
heat picked up chalmers' contract last week. anthony was signed last night, i believe.
Details?
chalmers is on for one more year at $800k; the heat extended qualifying offer to anthony for $1.06m.
 
Did anyone catch the Free Agent Summit show on ESPN(2)? Some stupid WNBA game ran long and they cut right to Baseball tonight, completely skipping the summit.

ESPN's program scheduling is jacked up.

 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
Neither of those guys are going to catch Jordan (and eventually Kobe). They know it. It's about the money. I'm not sure Lebron is grounded enough to "allow" a team to be put together around him that'll win.
i think we get it: you hate lebron. can you do something other than denigrate the guy at every single turn? show some range. i'm not a fanboy of lebron by any stretch of the imaginate but i'm willing to cut him just a little ####### slack.
What the hell are you talking about?
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
"this stage of their careers"? it's not like they are Karl Malone chasing a ring after 15 years, or Garnett getting away from a crappy situation after 10+ years. These guys are in their prime. No doubt they'll pick a winning situation, but this contract is their last sure thing.
 
Both haven't fared very well and Lebron does have a lot of wear and tear and not getting any younger. Both of you bring up some valid points so I think it'll depend does Bron want to join a team that has youth and excellent talent with a better chance at winning more championships or pull something like KG and Ray Allen did when joining the Celtics where the window is much smaller and the odds of winning more titles aren't as good.
when did 25 or 28 become old in this league? if anything, players careers are longer than they have ever been. all of this talk blather about mileage is pretty silly. kobe has changed his game at 32 and he's put more mileage on that body than just about anyone in the league. there is no reason to believe that wade or lebron couldn't do the same.
For Lebron/Kobe it started with them allowed at the time to start playing at 18. It's mileage not age.
i understand the point and i'm disagreeing with it. which teams are winning championships in recent years? teams with older players like LA, SA, and Boston. elite players are playing longer into their careers and their teams are able to compete at the highest levels.
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
you assume that elite players like bosh, wade and james are solely motivated by money. they want to get paid but at this stage of their careers, i think championships matter every bit as much.
Neither of those guys are going to catch Jordan (and eventually Kobe). They know it. It's about the money. I'm not sure Lebron is grounded enough to "allow" a team to be put together around him that'll win.
i think we get it: you hate lebron. can you do something other than denigrate the guy at every single turn? show some range. i'm not a fanboy of lebron by any stretch of the imaginate but i'm willing to cut him just a little ####### slack.
What the hell are you talking about?
You are annoying. I have no idea if you are an alias or just a new poster in the NBA threads but your constant ragging on Kobe and LeBron is very annoying and predictable.
 
Did anyone catch the Free Agent Summit show on ESPN(2)? Some stupid WNBA game ran long and they cut right to Baseball tonight, completely skipping the summit.ESPN's program scheduling is jacked up.
It orginaly ran at 7pm on ESPN, it was pretty good. Its online on their site now.
 
So that means Lebron would be taking the major pay cut for the Miami dream team while Bosh and Wade sign 6yr maxs? Good news for all the other suitors.
Yea, this trade doesn't make sense. I think Wade and Boozer are in Miami. Maybe LeBron. I dont think Bosh is going there because they can either A) get boozer for less with or without Lebron coming too or B) if they are getting Lebron, Bosh should be expected to make less than Lebron/Wade so why sign-and-trade?
 
adrian wojnarowski on the score 670am now saying he is skeptical right now about bosh in miami.

ETA: bulls close, second cavs, sleeper nets but bulls are the clear favorites from his sources. Woj is pretty credible, hope he's right.

Broussard now saying he thinks Lebron is staying in Cleveland

 
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Both haven't fared very well and Lebron does have a lot of wear and tear and not getting any younger. Both of you bring up some valid points so I think it'll depend does Bron want to join a team that has youth and excellent talent with a better chance at winning more championships or pull something like KG and Ray Allen did when joining the Celtics where the window is much smaller and the odds of winning more titles aren't as good.
when did 25 or 28 become old in this league? if anything, players careers are longer than they have ever been. all of this talk blather about mileage is pretty silly. kobe has changed his game at 32 and he's put more mileage on that body than just about anyone in the league. there is no reason to believe that wade or lebron couldn't do the same.
For Lebron/Kobe it started with them allowed at the time to start playing at 18. It's mileage not age.
i understand the point and i'm disagreeing with it. which teams are winning championships in recent years? teams with older players like LA, SA, and Boston. elite players are playing longer into their careers and their teams are able to compete at the highest levels.
SA wasn't "old" when they were winning championships. Also the teams that won didn't have two or three great players and nothing else on their roster which would seem to be the case with Miami.The teams what has won championships had a great mix of stars, young up and coming stars and quality backups. Would that honestly be the case in Miami?

What elite players are winning multiple championships and playing at a higher level longer in their careers?

 
I don't really care who goes where. I just want to see players on new teams. It'd be kind of a letdown if Lebron just stays put.

 
I don't really care who goes where. I just want to see players on new teams. It'd be kind of a letdown if Lebron just stays put.
I want at least two great teams created with some longevity to see the clashes at the highest level. It would be nice but not necessary for one to be the Bulls.
 
SA wasn't "old" when they were winning championships. Also the teams that won didn't have two or three great players and nothing else on their roster which would seem to be the case with Miami.

The teams what has won championships had a great mix of stars, young up and coming stars and quality backups. Would that honestly be the case in Miami?
when your roster is down to 3 guys, as it is in Miami, who the hell knows what their roster is going to look like? however, look at the rosters for the last 5 NBA champions. it's the big 3 and in each case little else. LAL - kobe, pau and odom/artest; the rest were role players and bench.

SA - has timmy, tony and manu; they won with guys like brent barry, finley, and bowen.

Boston - KG, PP, and ray; only rondo averaged 10+ppg through the playoffs

Miami - shaq, wade and antoine walker were the only players averaging double figures through the playoffs.

What elite players are winning multiple championships and playing at a higher level longer in their careers?
see above. those franchises each have key players 29 or older when they were in the finals or winning championships.
 
SA wasn't "old" when they were winning championships. Also the teams that won didn't have two or three great players and nothing else on their roster which would seem to be the case with Miami.

The teams what has won championships had a great mix of stars, young up and coming stars and quality backups. Would that honestly be the case in Miami?
when your roster is down to 3 guys, as it is in Miami, who the hell knows what their roster is going to look like? however, look at the rosters for the last 5 NBA champions. it's the big 3 and in each case little else. LAL - kobe, pau and odom/artest; the rest were role players and bench.

SA - has timmy, tony and manu; they won with guys like brent barry, finley, and bowen.

Boston - KG, PP, and ray; only rondo averaged 10+ppg through the playoffs

Miami - shaq, wade and antoine walker were the only players averaging double figures through the playoffs.

What elite players are winning multiple championships and playing at a higher level longer in their careers?
see above. those franchises each have key players 29 or older when they were in the finals or winning championships.
Since when does PPG count when you're talking about players on these teams that aren't stars? It's not like all the teams/players you mentioned only contributed. From a salary standpoint if Miami got three max players I believe the rest would be at a minimum.Also Miami only won one championship. We are assuming Wade/Bosh/Lebron would join to win multiple championships with who else on their team and Wade and Bron aren't spring chickens when it comes to games played.

 
So I have what is probably a stupid question for the NBA folks here. I'm not a huge NBA guy, definitely a fan but I'd rank it fourth on my radar, maybe sixth if you count college sports:

Why do they have max deals? When you combine the limitation of a max deal with the limitation of a salary cap, aren't you basically begging for a bizarre, anti-competitive situation like we're seeing this summer, where a couple of really good players can collude and essentially decide who the elite teams are in the NBA? And aren't you doing serious competitive damage to those teams that aren't in a "desirable" location like NY, LA, Miami and maybe Chicago and a couple other places on a second tier? How is that in the league's best interests? Wouldn't it be far more interesting and competitive if the contracts weren't maxed out, and each team was required to determine every single player's relative worth with the only cap on total salary? Heck, if auction-style fantasy owners can figure it out, why can't NBA GMs?

What am I missing here? As I said, I'm a fan, but I'm no NBA capologist. Edumacate me.

 
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Since when does PPG count when you're talking about players on these teams that aren't stars? It's not like all the teams/players you mentioned only contributed. From a salary standpoint if Miami got three max players I believe the rest would be at a minimum.
you asked for winning franchises that mixed stars with role and bench players. i gave you the five most recent champions. i can't predict the future with regards to other players signing because it's more complicated than that. i have to think that Wade/Bosh/James + would be the Eastern Conference champion favorites. they're just that good.
Also Miami only won one championship. We are assuming Wade/Bosh/Lebron would join to win multiple championships with who else on their team and Wade and Bron aren't spring chickens when it comes to games played.
Wade has played 531 total games since he joined the Association; 75 games per season. Bosh 520; 74 games a season average. James 619; 88 games per season average.By contrast, Garnett has played over 1200 career games for 81 games per season. The same goes for Kobe (87 games averaged).
 
Walton Goggins said:
Since when does PPG count when you're talking about players on these teams that aren't stars? It's not like all the teams/players you mentioned only contributed. From a salary standpoint if Miami got three max players I believe the rest would be at a minimum.
you asked for winning franchises that mixed stars with role and bench players. i gave you the five most recent champions. i can't predict the future with regards to other players signing because it's more complicated than that. i have to think that Wade/Bosh/James + would be the Eastern Conference champion favorites. they're just that good.
Also Miami only won one championship. We are assuming Wade/Bosh/Lebron would join to win multiple championships with who else on their team and Wade and Bron aren't spring chickens when it comes to games played.
Wade has played 531 total games since he joined the Association; 75 games per season. Bosh 520; 74 games a season average. James 619; 88 games per season average.By contrast, Garnett has played over 1200 career games for 81 games per season. The same goes for Kobe (87 games averaged).
When talking about Lebron and him wanting to create a legacy with multiple championships how is going to Miami the best option? I can see if Lebron was in a KG situation where his window is only a few years left.If Lebron wants to win a championship then sure go to Miami but multiple? Again, since nobody knows what Lebron wants more who knows, this is all speculation at this point.
 

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