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Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
 
When talking about Lebron and him wanting to create a legacy with multiple championships how is going to Miami the best option? I can see if Lebron was in a KG situation where his window is only a few years left.If Lebron wants to win a championship then sure go to Miami but multiple? Again, since nobody knows what Lebron wants more who knows, this is all speculation at this point.
"how many championships are enough for you, lebron?" is a silly question. they could sign 5 year deals and wade would be the grey beard at at 33 when it was over. they would be very much in their primes during this span and could legitimately contend every single year. this is especially the case if they skip out on Team USA obligations.
 
JMon348 said:
You are annoying. I have no idea if you are an alias or just a new poster in the NBA threads but your constant ragging on Kobe and LeBron is very annoying and predictable.
:lmao: When did I rag on Lebron? Didn't mean to piss on your rug, Jmon.
 
whitem0nkey said:
adrian wojnarowski on the score 670am now saying he is skeptical right now about bosh in miami.ETA: bulls close, second cavs, sleeper nets but bulls are the clear favorites from his sources. Woj is pretty credible, hope he's right. Broussard now saying he thinks Lebron is staying in Cleveland
Broussard is a joke, each day he finds a new inside source that says Lebron is going to NY, Chicago, Cleveland, NJ, etc.
 
Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
Well, they would have to renounce all of their free agents. So, no Allen, no Pierce, no Tony Allen, etc.KG, Lebron, Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby, while a decent team, is not better than is he just goes to Chicago, for instance.
 
Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
Well, they would have to renounce all of their free agents. So, no Allen, no Pierce, no Tony Allen, etc.KG, Lebron, Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby, while a decent team, is not better than is he just goes to Chicago, for instance.
Yes it is, and it's not even close.
 
Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
Well, they would have to renounce all of their free agents. So, no Allen, no Pierce, no Tony Allen, etc.KG, Lebron, Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby, while a decent team, is not better than is he just goes to Chicago, for instance.
Yes it is, and it's not even close.
:goodposting:Perkins is out until January, KG is probably no better than Noah at this point, Rondo is an equal to Rose, Deng is better than Baby. Plus Chicago has a near max slot to sign a near max player like Gooden.
 
Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
Well, they would have to renounce all of their free agents. So, no Allen, no Pierce, no Tony Allen, etc.KG, Lebron, Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby, while a decent team, is not better than is he just goes to Chicago, for instance.
Yes it is, and it's not even close.
:goodposting:Perkins is out until January, KG is probably no better than Noah at this point, Rondo is an equal to Rose, Deng is better than Baby. Plus Chicago has a near max slot to sign a near max player like Gooden.
By the time the post-season rolls around, if he even makes it that far, KG will be spent. He played pretty well at times this year but completely vanished for long stretches. Big Baby is nothing special. The only appealing thing about Boston would be Rondo and Lebron on the floor together. There would be some jaw-dropping highlights of Rondo feeding the ball Lebron, and they'd probably mix pretty well. Aside from that, without Allen or Pierce, Chicago is far and away the better situation.
 
Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
Well, they would have to renounce all of their free agents. So, no Allen, no Pierce, no Tony Allen, etc.KG, Lebron, Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby, while a decent team, is not better than is he just goes to Chicago, for instance.
Yes it is, and it's not even close.
:thumbup:Perkins is out until January, KG is probably no better than Noah at this point, Rondo is an equal to Rose, Deng is better than Baby. Plus Chicago has a near max slot to sign a near max player like Gooden.
Gooden?PS, this thread is nearly unbearable with Goggins and Oneohh. : ( When did these guys join the NBA crowd? Did I miss something?
 
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Boston CelticsMaximum cap room: 0.61 MCsWhat needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.
Maybe there's not time for this, but shouldn't the C's be courting LeBron at this point? Would he actually have any interest in playing for Boston? I think he should. He can handle making $55,000 less than max. If I'm him I'm giving Ainge a call. That'd be a better team than any other he could possibly end up on.
Well, they would have to renounce all of their free agents. So, no Allen, no Pierce, no Tony Allen, etc.KG, Lebron, Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby, while a decent team, is not better than is he just goes to Chicago, for instance.
Yes it is, and it's not even close.
:hophead:Perkins is out until January, KG is probably no better than Noah at this point, Rondo is an equal to Rose, Deng is better than Baby. Plus Chicago has a near max slot to sign a near max player like Gooden.
Why do people think so highly of rose? I have asked this is multiple threads and I don't think I've ever gotten an answer. Rondo is a better player than rose and its not even close. And kg is a far better player than noah, he may have the same impact on a season because he'll miss a far share of games, but he is a much better player. The celtics minus pierce and allen is a terrible situation though, I can't wait for somebody to waste a 5 yr 90 million dollar contract on pierce.
 
Why do people think so highly of rose? I have asked this is multiple threads and I don't think I've ever gotten an answer. Rondo is a better player than rose and its not even close.
Rondo is a much better defender and rebounder. Rondo has slightly better court vision and a better handle but Rose's are good too. Rose is a better shooter and better finisher around the rim.Overall, it is close.
 
Why do people think so highly of rose? I have asked this is multiple threads and I don't think I've ever gotten an answer. Rondo is a better player than rose and its not even close.
rose and rondo are very different players despite playing the same position. rose is a helluva player though. 20ppg/6apg during the regular season and 27/7 in the postseason. 18 PER, which is 7th among starting PGs, and in the top 25 leaguewide. the knock on him is the defensive play has to improve.
 
whitem0nkey said:
adrian wojnarowski on the score 670am now saying he is skeptical right now about bosh in miami.ETA: bulls close, second cavs, sleeper nets but bulls are the clear favorites from his sources. Woj is pretty credible, hope he's right. Broussard now saying he thinks Lebron is staying in Cleveland
Broussard is a joke, each day he finds a new inside source that says Lebron is going to NY, Chicago, Cleveland, NJ, etc.
Blowhard the other day said that Lebron was going to Chicago, then a few minutes later said he didn't really know where Lebron was going, but he knew he wasn't going to the Knicks. This guy is a buffoon who should not be on the airwaves.
 
Why do people think so highly of rose? I have asked this is multiple threads and I don't think I've ever gotten an answer. Rondo is a better player than rose and its not even close.
Rondo is a much better defender and rebounder. Rondo has slightly better court vision and a better handle but Rose's are good too. Rose is a better shooter and better finisher around the rim.Overall, it is close.
Can Rondo ever hit FT?
 
Why do people think so highly of rose? I have asked this is multiple threads and I don't think I've ever gotten an answer. Rondo is a better player than rose and its not even close.
Rondo is a much better defender and rebounder. Rondo has slightly better court vision and a better handle but Rose's are good too. Rose is a better shooter and better finisher around the rim.Overall, it is close.
Can Rondo ever hit FT?
Yes
 
Why do people think so highly of rose? I have asked this is multiple threads and I don't think I've ever gotten an answer. Rondo is a better player than rose and its not even close.
rose and rondo are very different players despite playing the same position. rose is a helluva player though. 20ppg/6apg during the regular season and 27/7 in the postseason. 18 PER, which is 7th among starting PGs, and in the top 25 leaguewide. the knock on him is the defensive play has to improve.
And I can't find PER splits but he was a much better player after his ankle issues went away. He also adjusted as the season progressed more to his role on the team as the lead scorer on a team without the weapons for him to concentrate on distributing.October - 2 games - 11.5 ppg 4.5 apg 45%November - 13 games - 16.2 ppg 5.3 apg 46%Post All Star Break - 27 games - 22.9 ppg 6.5 apg 52%Playoffs - 5 games - 26.8 ppg 7.2 apg 45%In 12 career playoff games - 22.7 ppg 6.8 apg 5.1 rpg 47%Give him a team with some scorers and his points will go down and his points and assists will drastically increase. He is tremendously unselfish to the point that it took half a season for him to take the reigns as the top scorer because of his insistence to keep his teammates involved.
 
One interesting scenario is that Joe Johnson could end up getting the largest deal out of this whole FA group.

Rumors out there (like all the other rumors out there) that Atlanta would offer Johnson the full 6 year max. If all the other guys switch teams and nobody gets a sign and trade in the process (decent possibility), Johnson would end up getting the largest contract.

Not that I think he's worth that much, but it could happen.

 
One interesting scenario is that Joe Johnson could end up getting the largest deal out of this whole FA group.Rumors out there (like all the other rumors out there) that Atlanta would offer Johnson the full 6 year max. If all the other guys switch teams and nobody gets a sign and trade in the process (decent possibility), Johnson would end up getting the largest contract.Not that I think he's worth that much, but it could happen.
Totally agree, but what other options does ATL have? They don't have a shot at any other star players, and if they let him go they're driving away fans and buying a ticket to Lottoville.
 
Just on 670 The Score in Chicago, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo reporting (and via Twitter) Atlanta Journal Constitution says ATL looking to give Joe Johnson 6 year max contract to stay. Bulls still LeBron front runners asif he goes to Miami, he will make less than Bosh (Bosh wants max) and Wade........ TOR looking for sign and trade with Bosh. Names included Toronto willing to take David Lee, Joakim Noah. THey aren't going to be taking garbage. LeBron having a time deciding if he can leave Cleveland. Questioning if LeBron wants to be the greatest basketball player or an entertainer.

 
One interesting scenario is that Joe Johnson could end up getting the largest deal out of this whole FA group.Rumors out there (like all the other rumors out there) that Atlanta would offer Johnson the full 6 year max. If all the other guys switch teams and nobody gets a sign and trade in the process (decent possibility), Johnson would end up getting the largest contract.Not that I think he's worth that much, but it could happen.
Totally agree, but what other options does ATL have? They don't have a shot at any other star players, and if they let him go they're driving away fans and buying a ticket to Lottoville.
Giving him max money seems like a dead end to me. How are they realistically going to improve the roster of a team that got absolutely blasted out of the playoffs wearing that kind of contract for six years?
 
I think Johnson is in one of the more interesting positions with this whole process. With the fact that there are a number of teams lined up to get 2 max or near max guys, and the fact that half of the max/near-max guys are PFs (Bosh, Dirk, Boozer, Amare, Lee), Johnson becomes that much more valuable. He pairs up extremely well with any of the other top guys - except maybe Wade but even they'd be OK together.

Can't see any of the teams with 2 max/near-max slots signing 2 of the PF group, so getting one of the few top guys at the other positions (especially when everybody needs shooters) is going to be huge.

Makes sense what the Knicks are doing talking to Johnson first.

 
Richard Jefferson just opted out of $15 mil contract :shrug: . Has he lost his mind. SA jumping up and down right now
:lol: Dumbest contract decision since Juan Gone turned down 140M from the Tigers?
Could be a smart move if a lockout happens and his new contract pays him more than $15M over the next 2 years. Assuming guys get paid according to contract in the face of a lockout. Anyone know what happens in that regard?Does this make the Spurs a player in the Rudy Gay market?
 
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The Nets are going to put on a full court press tomorrow and while I hope he ends up with the Nets, I think he will stay in Cleveland

 
Richard Jefferson just opted out of $15 mil contract :shrug: . Has he lost his mind. SA jumping up and down right now
:lol: Dumbest contract decision since Juan Gone turned down 140M from the Tigers?
Could be a smart move if a lockout happens and his new contract pays him more than $15M over the next 2 years. Assuming guys get paid according to contract in the face of a lockout. Anyone know what happens in that regard?Does this make the Spurs a player in the Rudy Gay market?
The whole point of a lockout is to avoid paying the players.
 
Richard Jefferson just opted out of $15 mil contract :thumbup: . Has he lost his mind. SA jumping up and down right now
:eek: Dumbest contract decision since Juan Gone turned down 140M from the Tigers?
Could be a smart move if a lockout happens and his new contract pays him more than $15M over the next 2 years. Assuming guys get paid according to contract in the face of a lockout. Anyone know what happens in that regard?Does this make the Spurs a player in the Rudy Gay market?
The whole point of a lockout is to avoid paying the players.
No it isn't, it's about changing the ground rules of how players are compensated, how revenue is distributed, etc., i.e. paying the players less going forward. If players are already under contract, how would it be legal to not pay them because the owners/teams refuse to have a season? I think that would put the NBA's anti-trust exemption in jeopardy wouldn't it? I can see grounds for not honoring contract terms if the players strike, but that wouldn't be the case here.
 
Richard Jefferson just opted out of $15 mil contract :thumbup: . Has he lost his mind. SA jumping up and down right now
:eek: Dumbest contract decision since Juan Gone turned down 140M from the Tigers?
Could be a smart move if a lockout happens and his new contract pays him more than $15M over the next 2 years. Assuming guys get paid according to contract in the face of a lockout. Anyone know what happens in that regard?Does this make the Spurs a player in the Rudy Gay market?
If Richard Jefferson gets a contract paying him 15M over 2 years I'll eat my computer.
 
Richard Jefferson just opted out of $15 mil contract :thumbup: . Has he lost his mind. SA jumping up and down right now
:shrug: Dumbest contract decision since Juan Gone turned down 140M from the Tigers?
Could be a smart move if a lockout happens and his new contract pays him more than $15M over the next 2 years. Assuming guys get paid according to contract in the face of a lockout. Anyone know what happens in that regard?Does this make the Spurs a player in the Rudy Gay market?
If Richard Jefferson gets a contract paying him 15M over 2 years I'll eat my computer.
:eek:You're probably right, but there will probably be a team or two who get shut out of the big time FAs and will have money to burn that could do something stupid.
 
Richard Jefferson just opted out of $15 mil contract :fishing: . Has he lost his mind. SA jumping up and down right now
:lmao: Dumbest contract decision since Juan Gone turned down 140M from the Tigers?
Could be a smart move if a lockout happens and his new contract pays him more than $15M over the next 2 years. Assuming guys get paid according to contract in the face of a lockout. Anyone know what happens in that regard?Does this make the Spurs a player in the Rudy Gay market?
If Richard Jefferson gets a contract paying him 15M over 2 years I'll eat my computer.
:shrug:You're probably right, but there will probably be a team or two who get shut out of the big time FAs and will have money to burn that could do something stupid.
Actually, you're probably more right than I am, considering the bad contracts in the NBA.Hell, he may end up in purple and gold if he's willing to play for virtually nothing to get a ring with his boy Luke.
 
Wish I was hearing more Laker news.

Bynum for Bosh and Jack. Seems like a no-brainer to me for everyone involved.

Then perhaps move Odom to Charlotte for Thomas or Mohammed for some beef in the middle and shed some salary. Laks seem to be of the mind to shed some salary. Charlotte would be getting the better end of the deal but Laks shed some salary and get some beef in the middle.

Jack

Kobe

Artest

Bosh

Gasol

Thomas or Mohammed off the bench.

Three years in a row Bynum has been hurt. It's laughable how the LA media talks of his presence in the middle and how much the Lakers need it. LA has back to back rings basically without him. Just take Bosh and Jack. Trade Odom for some muscle down low.

Seems like a no-brainer for everyone involved.

 
Except for toronto and charlotte getting housed on both deals, It sounds like a great idea.
You are nuts if you think either of those teams are getting hosed. Toronto would pee themselves to get a center like Bynum considering Bosh is as good as gone.Odom has a great salary and has much more value then Thomas or Mohammed.
 

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