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I think it would be better for them o try and offload Bargnani to a team that can use him at PF in exchange for an early pick, or maybe a prospect. Even if you obtain a C and slide Bargs over...then it comes at the expense of PT for Davis - who is gonna be pretty freakin good in the next couple years.
I doubt a team with a high pick wants anything to do with him. He's got 4 years left at about $10M per. Not exactly what a rebuilding team is looking. He'd be a good fit on a team like Boston, Memphis and especially Orlando. Memphis being the only team with some assets that would interest Toronto (Mayo or Gay).Does Memphis laugh at Bargnani + 5th pick for Gay?
Bad deal for Raptors, IMO.
Really? Why? They have plenty of youth as it. Bargnani isn't going to lead them anywhere. The lineup below is a playoff team in a couple years, depending on how Derozan and Davis develop they could be pretty good.PG: Calderon (they need to get a better PG)SG: DerozanSF: GayPF: DavisC: Amir (he should be at PF)
 
I think it would be better for them o try and offload Bargnani to a team that can use him at PF in exchange for an early pick, or maybe a prospect. Even if you obtain a C and slide Bargs over...then it comes at the expense of PT for Davis - who is gonna be pretty freakin good in the next couple years.
I doubt a team with a high pick wants anything to do with him. He's got 4 years left at about $10M per. Not exactly what a rebuilding team is looking. He'd be a good fit on a team like Boston, Memphis and especially Orlando. Memphis being the only team with some assets that would interest Toronto (Mayo or Gay).Does Memphis laugh at Bargnani + 5th pick for Gay?
Bad deal for Raptors, IMO.
Really? Why? They have plenty of youth as it. Bargnani isn't going to lead them anywhere. The lineup below is a playoff team in a couple years, depending on how Derozan and Davis develop they could be pretty good.PG: Calderon (they need to get a better PG)SG: DerozanSF: GayPF: DavisC: Amir (he should be at PF)
Neither is Gay.Do you think adding Gay even gives the Raptors a chance to get out of the 2nd round? Look how well Memphis did without Gay.Gay is certainly an upgrade over Bargnani, don't get me wrong, but like I commented earlier regarding the Wolves... if you suck don't give away shots to get a superstar. Gay or Bargnani are not superstars.... the 5th pick in the draft could be.For a franchise that is rebuilding, I would hesitate to give away high lottery picks.
 
I don't know if anybody would go for it, but I would try to trade Bargs and 5 to get into a higher pick.

Is Bargnani worth a first next year? I would do that trade if I was the other side, depending on the other team, and I would do it if I were Toronto.

 
I think it would be better for them o try and offload Bargnani to a team that can use him at PF in exchange for an early pick, or maybe a prospect. Even if you obtain a C and slide Bargs over...then it comes at the expense of PT for Davis - who is gonna be pretty freakin good in the next couple years.
I doubt a team with a high pick wants anything to do with him. He's got 4 years left at about $10M per. Not exactly what a rebuilding team is looking. He'd be a good fit on a team like Boston, Memphis and especially Orlando. Memphis being the only team with some assets that would interest Toronto (Mayo or Gay).Does Memphis laugh at Bargnani + 5th pick for Gay?
Bad deal for Raptors, IMO.
Really? Why? They have plenty of youth as it. Bargnani isn't going to lead them anywhere. The lineup below is a playoff team in a couple years, depending on how Derozan and Davis develop they could be pretty good.PG: Calderon (they need to get a better PG)SG: DerozanSF: GayPF: DavisC: Amir (he should be at PF)
Neither is Gay.Do you think adding Gay even gives the Raptors a chance to get out of the 2nd round? Look how well Memphis did without Gay.Gay is certainly an upgrade over Bargnani, don't get me wrong, but like I commented earlier regarding the Wolves... if you suck don't give away shots to get a superstar. Gay or Bargnani are not superstars.... the 5th pick in the draft could be.For a franchise that is rebuilding, I would hesitate to give away high lottery picks.
I agree with what you're saying but would still probably do it just to get rid of Bargnani while he still has value and to change the 'culture' of the team. I think as long as he is around, team defense is going to be a major issue and could have a negative effect on the younger players.
 
I think it would be better for them o try and offload Bargnani to a team that can use him at PF in exchange for an early pick, or maybe a prospect. Even if you obtain a C and slide Bargs over...then it comes at the expense of PT for Davis - who is gonna be pretty freakin good in the next couple years.
I doubt a team with a high pick wants anything to do with him. He's got 4 years left at about $10M per. Not exactly what a rebuilding team is looking. He'd be a good fit on a team like Boston, Memphis and especially Orlando. Memphis being the only team with some assets that would interest Toronto (Mayo or Gay).Does Memphis laugh at Bargnani + 5th pick for Gay?
Bad deal for Raptors, IMO.
Really? Why? They have plenty of youth as it. Bargnani isn't going to lead them anywhere. The lineup below is a playoff team in a couple years, depending on how Derozan and Davis develop they could be pretty good.PG: Calderon (they need to get a better PG)SG: DerozanSF: GayPF: DavisC: Amir (he should be at PF)
Neither is Gay.Do you think adding Gay even gives the Raptors a chance to get out of the 2nd round? Look how well Memphis did without Gay.Gay is certainly an upgrade over Bargnani, don't get me wrong, but like I commented earlier regarding the Wolves... if you suck don't give away shots to get a superstar. Gay or Bargnani are not superstars.... the 5th pick in the draft could be.For a franchise that is rebuilding, I would hesitate to give away high lottery picks.
I agree with what you're saying but would still probably do it just to get rid of Bargnani while he still has value and to change the 'culture' of the team. I think as long as he is around, team defense is going to be a major issue and could have a negative effect on the younger players.
Agree, Bargnani needs to go with Ed Davis around. However, like Instinctive mentioned maybe try to upgrade their 1st rounder.Hell I would even trade Bargnani for a lottery protected 1st rounder.
 
Agree, Bargnani needs to go with Ed Davis around. However, like Instinctive mentioned maybe try to upgrade their 1st rounder.Hell I would even trade Bargnani for a lottery protected 1st rounder.
I wouldn't go that far. While he isn't a complete player, he is still probably better than 90% of non-lottery picks. I also agree with Instinctive that if they could package him with the 5th to move up to the 1st or 2nd pick they should. Doubtful that or Minny do that though.
 
Not that I have any idea if the guy can play, but if the Wolves get Rubio and somehow parlay the #2 in to the #4 and #8, they could have a wealth of young talent to build on next season. Then again, I don't know if they'll want to tradeo uto f the #2 now since it would mean having three rookies with guaranteed wages.But, let's suggest that they do...Draft Kanter or Knight at #4, draft Walker (if they get Kanter) or Valuncianus (if Knight) at #8. That gets them a slasher/scorer for the backcourt and a big man to pair with Love. Or, take Vesely and Jimmer
they finally get Rubio to come over and you think they should take ANOTHER point guard (Knight/Walker/Jimmer)?? None of them are really big enough to be combo guards. Burks would make more sense if they want a scoring #2.
 
Gay is certainly an upgrade over Bargnani, don't get me wrong, but like I commented earlier regarding the Wolves... if you suck don't give away shots to get a superstar. Gay or Bargnani are not superstars.... the 5th pick in the draft could be.For a franchise that is rebuilding, I would hesitate to give away high lottery picks.
The odds that the 5th pick in this year's draft is going to be a superstar are historically low. I'd do that deal if I were the Raps, although I don't think it would make them better by leaps and bounds.
 
Agree, Bargnani needs to go with Ed Davis around. However, like Instinctive mentioned maybe try to upgrade their 1st rounder.Hell I would even trade Bargnani for a lottery protected 1st rounder.
I wouldn't go that far. While he isn't a complete player, he is still probably better than 90% of non-lottery picks. I also agree with Instinctive that if they could package him with the 5th to move up to the 1st or 2nd pick they should. Doubtful that or Minny do that though.
Pretty sure you can find a pure scorer with a non-lottery pick. Bargnani's 53.9 TS% is nothing special. They may not be 7 foot, but they'll have the same impact as Bargnani since he doesn't rebound or defend like a 7 footer.Plus in all likelihood it would be a player + non-lottery 1st rounder for Bargnani.
 
Not that I have any idea if the guy can play, but if the Wolves get Rubio and somehow parlay the #2 in to the #4 and #8, they could have a wealth of young talent to build on next season. Then again, I don't know if they'll want to tradeo uto f the #2 now since it would mean having three rookies with guaranteed wages.But, let's suggest that they do...Draft Kanter or Knight at #4, draft Walker (if they get Kanter) or Valuncianus (if Knight) at #8. That gets them a slasher/scorer for the backcourt and a big man to pair with Love. Or, take Vesely and Jimmer
they finally get Rubio to come over and you think they should take ANOTHER point guard (Knight/Walker/Jimmer)?? None of them are really big enough to be combo guards. Burks would make more sense if they want a scoring #2.
I was actually think of those 3 guards as "score first" types. But you there don't appear to be any 6'6 SGs in the top part of the draft. You are correct that they need a superstar. But let's assume that Rubio develops in to a "top 10 NBA PG", not in the league of Rose, Westbrook, Paul, WIlliams, Rondo but better then Jameer Nelson, Kyle Lowry, Raymond Felton types. Love may not be a "superstar" because he isn't a clutch scorer type, but he's one of the top 20 players in the game without question; his rebounding is a HUGE asset to the team and his 3 point shooting means he can't be left alone away from the basket. Beasley might be a decent 4th player for a playoff team. With more talent around he isn't likely to average 19/6, but he's still useful. So that leaves them without a "dynamic slasher scorer!" type and a "versatile small forward". The draft doesn't seem to have the former, and I'm not sure WIlliams qualifies as the latter.
 
If I'm the Wolves I hang tight and take Williams with the Rubio news. Hope he can transition to the 3 and cross their fingers that he turns into a superstar and not a tweener.

 
The Rudy Gay hate on this board is crazy. Athletic 3's who are 6'9 and shoot 39% from the arc and average 20ppg at age 24 don't grow on trees.

 
I'd be glad for the rox to trade their higher first for bargnani . Seven foot tall guys that score 22 a game don't grow on trees.

 
going back to the parity argument, the biggest impediment is the 7 game series combine with the ability of a the best player on the floor to massively influence a game.

 
going back to the parity argument, the biggest impediment is the 7 game series combine with the ability of a the best player on the floor to massively influence a game.
One game result playoffs are stupid if you're really interested in seeing who the best team is. I understand it's unavoidable in U.S. football.
 
Does anyone in the NBA have a better "please punch me" face than Lawrence Frank? My god..I just want to level him each time I see his ugly mug on tv.

 
going back to the parity argument, the biggest impediment is the 7 game series combine with the ability of a the best player on the floor to massively influence a game.
One game result playoffs are stupid if you're really interested in seeing who the best team is. I understand it's unavoidable in U.S. football.
This is an interesting point: you are correct that extended series makes it more likely that the "best" team wins. But the playoffs in the USA that have the biggest followings are the ones that are much less predictable (March Madness and the NFL).
 
According to Orlando radio and news stations, Dwight Howard announced at his Twitter party yesterday that he's going to sign a 2-year extension.

Tommygunz > :bye:
Think you might be guilty of celebrating a bit too earlyDwight Howard today shot down a report that he will sign a two-year contract extension with theOrlando Magic before the collective bargaining agreement ends on July 1.

Howard made spoke to reporters this morning as he appeared at a charity event in Birmingham, Ala., to help people affected by late April's deadly tornados.

WKMG Sports Director David "Ping" Pingalore, citing anonymous NBA and Magic sources, reported Monday night that the extension was "all but signed by" Howard.

"There's no truth to that," Howard told reporters in Birmingham.

"The biggest thing right now is everybody understands I have one more year left. I'm keeping my options open, but there's no other place I'd rather be than Orlando. I want them to understand that.

"But, at the same time, I do want to win, make sure everything is in line: our team, just everything from top to bottom, everybody is reaching for a championship. It can't be me and a couple other guys. It's gotta be the whole team — everybody on the staff. It's the same goal: the championship attitude. As of right now, I don't plan to be anywhere else besides Orlando."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213957/Howard_Not_Interested_In_Signing_Two_Year_Extension#ixzz1OAHBqeRF

 
According to Orlando radio and news stations, Dwight Howard announced at his Twitter party yesterday that he's going to sign a 2-year extension.

Tommygunz > :bye:
Think you might be guilty of celebrating a bit too earlyDwight Howard today shot down a report that he will sign a two-year contract extension with theOrlando Magic before the collective bargaining agreement ends on July 1.

Howard made spoke to reporters this morning as he appeared at a charity event in Birmingham, Ala., to help people affected by late April's deadly tornados.

WKMG Sports Director David "Ping" Pingalore, citing anonymous NBA and Magic sources, reported Monday night that the extension was "all but signed by" Howard.

"There's no truth to that," Howard told reporters in Birmingham.

"The biggest thing right now is everybody understands I have one more year left. I'm keeping my options open, but there's no other place I'd rather be than Orlando. I want them to understand that.

"But, at the same time, I do want to win, make sure everything is in line: our team, just everything from top to bottom, everybody is reaching for a championship. It can't be me and a couple other guys. It's gotta be the whole team — everybody on the staff. It's the same goal: the championship attitude. As of right now, I don't plan to be anywhere else besides Orlando."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213957/Howard_Not_Interested_In_Signing_Two_Year_Extension#ixzz1OAHBqeRF
Sounds an awful lot like Melo a year ago.
 
I don't kmow enough about Howard to know where he might want to go play. But Orlando doesn't have the pieces to compete.

 
Tonight's the night Dallas wins the first of 4 out of the next 5 games. You heard it here first! Dirk will be unstoppable! Mavs 96, Heat 88

 
Miller hit Barea.

I must say, it was hilarious to see Barea dive for the ball, Miller moves it, and the little dude just whiffed completely...

 
Wow that was a weak T call. JJ knees miller in the head and did some kind of reverse choke forearm move. Miller pushed his arm away.

 
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Wow that was a weak T call. JJ knees miller in the head and did some kind of reverse choke forearm move. Miller pushed his arm away.
idk. When you watch the replay, Barea is going for the ball and then Miller moves it. Barea whiffs and ends up on Miller, and he turns for the ball again - but his arms are too short.All Miller has to do is stand up when they call a foul, but instead he shoves a guy. That's ALWAYS a T. Just ask Tyson Chandler...
 
Miller hit Barea.I must say, it was hilarious to see Barea dive for the ball, Miller moves it, and the little dude just whiffed completely...
He didn't hit him. He shoved him off of him after Berea did the frog splash on top of him. I'm not sure how that was just a personal foul, really.
Have you not seen the stuff you do to guys on the floor in the NBA - it's like all the sudden refs don;t exist usually. I'm actually surprised they made the (right) call at all rather than letting it go like usual...
 

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