got_nugs
Footballguy
LOL...I certainly wasn't actually referring to THAT big 3 in Miami. Sorry for the confusion.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Another very good point.
the moops
Footballguy
No you wouldn't
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
OK, I know I'm a Bulls homer so show be where I'm wrong in any of this below.
Dwight Howard to Chicago is feasible. Certainly it isn't likely and there are a myriad of factors involved. The new CBA is a major one, of course. But here is how it would have to go down:
1. Orlando continues their downward slide next season. They try to improve by trade but don't have the pieces. Speculation about Howard leaving gets worse and worse. Orlando realizes they have a Melo situation on their hands and decide to entertain trade offers.
2. There would be two criteria for a trading partner. First, it would have to be a team that Howard would want to play for. He likely wants to play for a major market and be on a team that has the talent to compete for a championship for years to come. Any team trading for Howard would want to feel comfortable that Howard would re-sign with them (assuming the new CBA still allows for this), so a trade would need to go through Howard. Next, the team needs to have some assets to trade back to Orlando. Obviously Orlando would not get full value but there has to be at least a decent return.
Chicago is, perhaps, best positioned in this scenario. Orlando would certainly get Noah and the future Bobcats' pick that Chicago owns. Expiring salaries (or cheap buyouts) of some combination of players would need to be added such as those of Korver, Brewer, Bogans and/or Watson. A player like Taj Gibson or Omer Asik (young promising players on cheap contracts) could be thrown in. It would also be possible to expand the trade to include the Bulls taking on a bad contact like Turkoglu and the Bulls adding Deng.
Howard then gets to play in a major market and play with Rose for years and years to come.
When I look around the league, I don't think I see a better trade fit. Maybe the Nets, but I don't think so. Lakers have and an aging Kobe and Gasol. Plus, does Orlando really want to take the risk on Bynum's knees? Clippers still have Donald Sterling. The Knicks don't have tradeable assets. Nor does Dallas.
Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen. It's just a possibility.
Dwight Howard to Chicago is feasible. Certainly it isn't likely and there are a myriad of factors involved. The new CBA is a major one, of course. But here is how it would have to go down:
1. Orlando continues their downward slide next season. They try to improve by trade but don't have the pieces. Speculation about Howard leaving gets worse and worse. Orlando realizes they have a Melo situation on their hands and decide to entertain trade offers.
2. There would be two criteria for a trading partner. First, it would have to be a team that Howard would want to play for. He likely wants to play for a major market and be on a team that has the talent to compete for a championship for years to come. Any team trading for Howard would want to feel comfortable that Howard would re-sign with them (assuming the new CBA still allows for this), so a trade would need to go through Howard. Next, the team needs to have some assets to trade back to Orlando. Obviously Orlando would not get full value but there has to be at least a decent return.
Chicago is, perhaps, best positioned in this scenario. Orlando would certainly get Noah and the future Bobcats' pick that Chicago owns. Expiring salaries (or cheap buyouts) of some combination of players would need to be added such as those of Korver, Brewer, Bogans and/or Watson. A player like Taj Gibson or Omer Asik (young promising players on cheap contracts) could be thrown in. It would also be possible to expand the trade to include the Bulls taking on a bad contact like Turkoglu and the Bulls adding Deng.
Howard then gets to play in a major market and play with Rose for years and years to come.
When I look around the league, I don't think I see a better trade fit. Maybe the Nets, but I don't think so. Lakers have and an aging Kobe and Gasol. Plus, does Orlando really want to take the risk on Bynum's knees? Clippers still have Donald Sterling. The Knicks don't have tradeable assets. Nor does Dallas.
Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen. It's just a possibility.
No. 16
Footballguy
Anyone want to take over Trump Tight's team in the Build a Basketball Franchise draft?
He seems to have gone missing since the 9th round.
Would love to have someone at the very least finish out his draft. His current squad is:
Chris Bosh, PF
Kevin Martin, SG
DeAndre Jordan, C
DJ Augustin, PG
Boris Diaw, PF
Ron Artest, SF
Travis Outlaw, SF
Quincy Pondexter, SF
9th
10th
Once you agree to take over for his team you can make your 9th and 10th round picks right away.
He seems to have gone missing since the 9th round.
Would love to have someone at the very least finish out his draft. His current squad is:
Chris Bosh, PF
Kevin Martin, SG
DeAndre Jordan, C
DJ Augustin, PG
Boris Diaw, PF
Ron Artest, SF
Travis Outlaw, SF
Quincy Pondexter, SF
9th
10th
Once you agree to take over for his team you can make your 9th and 10th round picks right away.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
God might stop Lebron, but won't stop Macy's
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timschochet
Footballguy
Latest rumor I heard on local radio this morning: Lamar Odom traded for Monta Ellis. 
Abraham
Footballguy
Ellis for iggy is a better move for gs imoLatest rumor I heard on local radio this morning: Lamar Odom traded for Monta Ellis.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Correct.Odom's going to turn 32 this year. Dunno if Iggy is feasible or what else it would take, but I think holding Ellis is better than Odom at this point.Ellis for iggy is a better move for gs imoLatest rumor I heard on local radio this morning: Lamar Odom traded for Monta Ellis.
No. 16
Footballguy
As much as I like LO and am willing to part with Monta, that's a terrible deal for Monta straight up.Latest rumor I heard on local radio this morning: Lamar Odom traded for Monta Ellis.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
all this Dwight Hoard talk. What about if Howard was surrounded by a high post guy like David West, a dead-eye shooter like WEs Matthews, a solid PG like Andre Miller, and a high upside SF like Al-Farouq Aminu. I think if the Magic could make that work they'd be in good shape.
Kev4029
Footballguy
If they could get another shooter like Reggie Williams or Marco Belinelli I think they would be winning 3 or 4 championships straight.
Instinctive
Footballguy
And they need a good backup for if Howard hits foul trouble. Ryan Hollins would be perfect.
Kev4029
Footballguy
IMO a stretch 4/5 like Marreese Speights would be much more ideal. Then throw in a nice Australian PG like Pattie Mills.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Kicking it 1850's style.
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Kev4029
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Cleveland is apparently "50-50" between Irving and Williams.
I would take Williams, without hesitation.
I would take Williams, without hesitation.
Abraham
Footballguy
So would I. Particularly when there will be either a 7' guy or Brandon knight at 4.EtA. Four years ago, Williams is a no brained. But despite the fact that a team where the pg was the beat player hasn't won the title since Detroit, the influx of great point guards has made the me-too league want a dynamo pg.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
What is CLE's salary situation next offseason? Williams plus Valenciuanas (that's close I think) plus Varejao...maybe they can try to hit the Free Agent lotte............never mind. Nobody WANTS to play in Cleveland on purpose lol.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Was Billups considered better than Tayshaun by most? Can't recall myself.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Billups was finals MVP the year they won it and made 5 all star games, 3 all-nba teams and 2 all-d teams. Prince was pretty young on that championship team and while considered a great defender, he was more of a role player.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Cool. I knew Billups had pretty much always been a star and was great, for some reason I just thought Prince was better than he apparently was.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I disagree with both of you, Irving is the pick. He's been an elite talent his entire life and dominated every year. The only reason this is even a question is b/c of his injury. Williams is a late bloomer. While not an impossibility that he becomes an All Star caliber player, it's a definite red flag.
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got_nugs
Footballguy
The answer is stretch marks?
Kev4029
Footballguy
Prince was probably the 5th best player on that team behind (in no specific order) Billups, B Wallace, R Wallace, Hamilton and Okur probably wasn't far behind him.Ben Wallace and Billups have a shot at the HOF, Prince never even made an all star game.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
He dominated lousy competition. Williams has put up big numbers against real teams.Sometimes, people make a leap. It happens in all different stages of one's career. Jose Bautista turned himself into one of the most dangerous hitters in the game in his late 20's after being a scrub. Kemba Walker was a late-bloomer in HS, and then made another huge leap at the college level.
Honestly, I think it comes down to work ethic. And I don't doubt that Irving and Williams are both going to work hard, but I also cannot be convinced that Williams' year was just some sort of fluke. It takes time to adjust to the college level.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Cash-strapped Maloofs sell Palms casino to investment firms
They're trying to spin it as a "debt reduction plan", but the bottom line is that the Maloofs just sold off 75% of their casino in exchange for having a $400 million loan paid off.
They're trying to spin it as a "debt reduction plan", but the bottom line is that the Maloofs just sold off 75% of their casino in exchange for having a $400 million loan paid off.
They really have no business owning an NBA team at this point.
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What position do you have Williams at?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It's Kyrie. You can write it down in pen.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Primarily a 3, but probably a spot of 4 when they want to go small.And I think Knight or Walker are the best way to go at #4. Kanter's motor is a big ?.
Cavs still debating, according to Yahoo: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-spears_cleveland_cavaliers_nba_draft_061511
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Actually they don't have any money for free agents. Jamison and Davis are stealing $29M from them next year.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I think he meant after next season.Baron would be going into his last season under contract at about 15...Andy around 8.5...Sessions 4.5...and then Hickson whatever. But then again, nobody wants to play in Cleveland on purpose.
saintfool
Dead sexy
jamison is in the final year of his contract. his $15m is a terrific bargaining chip.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
The Cavs certainly should be able to trade him this year to a playoff team in need of a forward or a solid 1st or 2nd guy off the bench.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Am I the only one who thinks Brandon Knight is incredibly overrated? I think his ceiling is similar to a Devin Harris or Mo Williams type talent. I'll be surprised if he ever makes an allstar game.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I think anybody picking 3rd or 4th would be happy to have him develop into Harris or Williams, both of whom have made an all star game if I recall. Its a weak draft, if any of the players drafted after Williams and Irving become borderline all star talents, the pick was a success.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I agree with most of this, and that Knight is overrated a bit. Id be surprised if he turns out as good as Devin Harris. Knight looks more like an Andre Miller type to me. He has more potential obviously, but I think he's elevated due to the guys projected to go the next few picks.....If Im Cleveland, Id take Williams and Kemba. Irving will be good no doubt, but I think Williams is special and you seldom see someone with his size, speed, and athleticism with that kind of range. I dont trust any of these foreigners on being better than Kemba.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Tyson Chandler with the parody of LeBron counting off the number of championships . . . This off-season and next year really will speak volumes about LeBron. While unknown surprises can always pop up to prevent a championship, if he doesn't enter the season with a chiseled game and purpose every night (like Jordan when he wanted to win 70+ games) then he really is just kind of a punk.
saintfool
Dead sexy
what's interesting to me: how is wade is going to respond? it's his team too. he's in the same stratum as lebron and he let a championship slip through his fingers too. if he doesn't come out with that jordan-type focus next season then i don't know that lebron can do it.
saintfool
Dead sexy
if there is another allan houston clause in the CBA then there might not be. the spurs not withstanding, the era of silly money is largely over. a team that can get a contract off the books is only helping themselves.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Wade needs to rest and get his body ready for a long season of bumps. If he wants to work on his 3s, that's cool too. Wade's focus doesn't seem to be an issue with him, it's more his body and taking too many 3s (although he seems to make them when it counts)
Bobcat10
Footballguy
From who's point of view?
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