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tdoss
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Can someone explain to me how Lebron can be "jealous" of Durant taking so many more shots than him...when I just looked at the numbers and found for their careers, Lebron takes more shots per game and per minute played.
Even if you trim it down to just the time Lebron has played in Miami...the difference only changes slightly in Durant's favor...KD is averaging less than 1 shot more per game.
What is the King of Flop talking about here?
Even if you trim it down to just the time Lebron has played in Miami...the difference only changes slightly in Durant's favor...KD is averaging less than 1 shot more per game.
What is the King of Flop talking about here?
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tdoss
Footballguy
Ah...this year...ok.
Yea Durant is chucking up 3 more shots per game than Lebron.
That's definitely worthy of Lebron's jealousy.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yeah, superstars getting favorable officiating is definitely something unseen in the NBA prior to recent years.
sports_fan
Footballguy
If anything they're getting fewer calls. FTAs per game over the past 2 or 3 years are the lowest in league history.Yeah, superstars getting favorable officiating is definitely something unseen in the NBA prior to recent years.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Only the key calls.If anything they're getting fewer calls. FTAs per game over the past 2 or 3 years are the lowest in league history.Yeah, superstars getting favorable officiating is definitely something unseen in the NBA prior to recent years.
scoobus
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Premier
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He will win an MVP for sure. He should run out of OKC as soon as possible after that ####ty owner/GM traded Harden.
Abraham
Footballguy
Tend to agree on leaving. He's a free agent in three years, right? That would be his age 28 season?
Short Corner
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SoCalBroncoFan
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I live in L.A. and while I am not a Clipper fan, I hate the Lakers and enjoy watching the Clippers. With that said, so there are no homer glasses here, what us it about Blake Griffin that makes people so mad? I don't see him as Ana's guy, talking crap, calling guys out. I don't see him as a dirty player - at least not any more than other players.
pizzatyme
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Paulymaggs
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It's really just this pizzatyme clown. He's in the running to be the FFA's worst poster in 2014.
pizzatyme
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rodg12
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Mr. Retukes
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Seems like a good time to check in on this conversation.Not saying he's there yet, but his all around game is already better than Kobe (at this stage)/Melo IMO and his scoring is improving rapidly.High volume with good efficiency is much better than good volume with moderate efficiency. Kobe is scoring 27.4 ppg with a .567 TS%, Melo is scoring 28.7 ppg with a .568 TS%, George is scoring 17.8 ppg with a .536 TS%. Being that scoring is the most important skill in basketball by a large margin, I would say that George is still way behind those two high volume scoring guys. George is much more Luol Deng than he is Carmelo/Kobe/anybody that could be considered in the top 10.You guys are ridiculous.ETA:I know you are a big fan of high volume scoring and lack of defense, so this makes sense.Cliff, I made the Deng comparison before reading your post.
Short Corner
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He's a floppy little #####.SoCalBroncoFan said:
Blake is tied with, get this, Demarcus Cousins for the league lead in technical fouls. You don't get on that list without talking crap and whining a lot.
GroveDiesel
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BUT WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BUMP!?Seems like a good time to check in on this conversation.Not saying he's there yet, but his all around game is already better than Kobe (at this stage)/Melo IMO and his scoring is improving rapidly.High volume with good efficiency is much better than good volume with moderate efficiency. Kobe is scoring 27.4 ppg with a .567 TS%, Melo is scoring 28.7 ppg with a .568 TS%, George is scoring 17.8 ppg with a .536 TS%. Being that scoring is the most important skill in basketball by a large margin, I would say that George is still way behind those two high volume scoring guys. George is much more Luol Deng than he is Carmelo/Kobe/anybody that could be considered in the top 10.You guys are ridiculous.ETA:I know you are a big fan of high volume scoring and lack of defense, so this makes sense.
sports_fan
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Cliff Clavin
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Abraham
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Cliff Clavin
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Paul, Love and Cousins for sure. Then good arguments could be made for Davis, Aldridge, Curry and maybe even Horford or Dirk.
He's definitely the 3rd best wing.
No. 16
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Aside from Paul, George I'd the only one on that list that plays both ends of the floor at an elite level...for sure in the top 5.
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What is the advanced stats story on Cousins? I see the big counting stats.
He strikes me as an overrated guy, but we rarely see him on TV up here.
He strikes me as an overrated guy, but we rarely see him on TV up here.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'd say some of his "elite" defence is a little inflated because he plays on an elite defensive team. Don't get me wrong, I do think he is a very good defender, but playing for Indy makes everyone look like they belong on first team all-D.
Does George's D make up for his lack of elite rebounding when comparing him to Love or Cousins?
simmonjm
Footballguy
So let me get this straight Love averages 4 rebounds, and 1 assist more than Melo but he is definitely in the conversation for 3rd best but Melo doesn't even crack top 10?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
A 44% difference in their rebound rates is kind of a big deal. Not to mention Love is the better the scorer as well.
Not sure about the advanced stats, but he's a top 5ish offensive player in the league playing with much improved efficiency this year. He's still not a shot blocker and at the center position, that's a major, major negative.
tommyGunZ
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Cousins currently 5th overall this year in PER.Cliff hating on George is just more evidence of his anti-scoring bias. Anyone who doesn't play Hoosiers style basketball is automatically downgraded in Cliff's rankings.
I'd put George in contention for the 4th best player in the league with several others (Melo, Dirk, and Wade)
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
If I don't think a player is 3rd best in the league I'm hating on him? Guess I'm hating on everyone in the league outside of LeBron, Durant and Paul.
Abraham
Footballguy
The grantland discussion and analysis about love is interesting with regard to his rebounding being so good because he willingly avoids defense to get in rebound position. There is a good argument to be made that keeping the other team from another chance at shooting is worth the trade off.
But I greatly disagree with the idea that George's defense is enhanced because of the team he is on. That's kind of the point and is akin to dying Scottie was a great defender because he only had to guard the opponents second best player, etc. It's a team game and no player can defend the court by themselves.
Cousins is very very good and still has room to improve, but there is not a gm in the league that would take him over Paul George.
But I greatly disagree with the idea that George's defense is enhanced because of the team he is on. That's kind of the point and is akin to dying Scottie was a great defender because he only had to guard the opponents second best player, etc. It's a team game and no player can defend the court by themselves.
Cousins is very very good and still has room to improve, but there is not a gm in the league that would take him over Paul George.
simmonjm
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Love gets the benefit of playing with Rubio while Melo gets Felton, Udrih, and Prigioni (one is slightly better) and only leads Melo by .021% FG pct while Melo averages a point more a game. Furthermore Melo gets all kind of flak saying he cant lead his team to a championship and yet you are calling Love and Cousins the 3rd best player in the league and they haven't even led their team to a playoff berth. I realize the West is tougher conference but Melo led the Nuggets to the playoffs EVERY year he was there.
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