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[Gr00vus]

Haslem opted out.

It will be interesting to see what he re-signs for. Probably a good sign for the Heat though.

He has same agent as wade, bosh. I don't see a scenario where this would be bad for Miami. Of course I'm sporting heat contact lenses fwiw.

From 07/08/2010:

@RicBucher: FWIW: disparate opinions among gms, agents, league HQ officials today about where LeBron is going, but consensus on 1 thing: it's not Mia.

I'm still not sure what this master plan is.

Let's say Wade and Bosh join LeBron and Haslem and all opt out. Let's also say Haslem re-signs for 3 million and the Heat renounce all thier other free agents. Cole is on the books for 2 and Napier about 1. Cap hold for 5 empty roster spots is about 2.5. Cap is 63.2 so that leaves 54.7 for the big 3 and a free agent. What's the lowest the big 3 might take? 15 million each? If so, that leaves 9.7 for a free agent and then they are forced to sign minimum guys for a bench. Who are they targeting for 9.7 and does this give them much better of a team than last year?

Edit: I missed Birdman (and I'm not sure what's happening with him) but he doesn't make much so the figures are about the same.

I'm figuring Wade and/or Bosh will be taking less than $15M if they're really opting out to reconfigure the Heat salary structure. Here's what I wonder about: is there anything to stop James from giving Wade and Bosh "loans" once they retire?

 

[pollardsvision]

I love Simmons. Jalen is kind of fun to play off of too. Jalen has some stories and takes bizarre angles.

That said, the WTF segment was them saying how Wade will opt out and take less money then Lebron. At worst Lebron/Wade/Bosh all take the same. Wade not going to opt out and throw a few million to Lebron. Lebron makes around 70mill a year as is.

I don't think it's some WTF/bizarro notion.

My guess is they all take the same amount, but if Wade's really going sacrifice a cash for winning, as his opting out suggests, then him taking less money than LeBron/Bosh is the next logical step.

If Wade's thinking more like a GM than a player trying to maximize on-court earnings, then it's not a crazy notion that the guy doing half the work should make less money.

I mean, is it impossible that he goes "full Duncan"?

When a $10 mill/year player opts out of the $41 mill he's owed over the next 2 years, it seems like it could be in play.

 

[pollardsvision]

Haslem opted out.

It will be interesting to see what he re-signs for. Probably a good sign for the Heat though.

He has same agent as wade, bosh. I don't see a scenario where this would be bad for Miami. Of course I'm sporting heat contact lenses fwiw.

From 07/08/2010:

@RicBucher: FWIW: disparate opinions among gms, agents, league HQ officials today about where LeBron is going, but consensus on 1 thing: it's not Mia.

I'm still not sure what this master plan is.

Let's say Wade and Bosh join LeBron and Haslem and all opt out. Let's also say Haslem re-signs for 3 million and the Heat renounce all thier other free agents. Cole is on the books for 2 and Napier about 1. Cap hold for 5 empty roster spots is about 2.5. Cap is 63.2 so that leaves 54.7 for the big 3 and a free agent. What's the lowest the big 3 might take? 15 million each? If so, that leaves 9.7 for a free agent and then they are forced to sign minimum guys for a bench. Who are they targeting for 9.7 and does this give them much better of a team than last year?

Edit: I missed Birdman (and I'm not sure what's happening with him) but he doesn't make much so the figures are about the same.

I'm figuring Wade and/or Bosh will be taking less than $15M if they're really opting out to reconfigure the Heat salary structure. Here's what I wonder about: is there anything to stop James from giving Wade and Bosh "loans" once they retire?

I'd assume the NBA has given the commissioner quite a bit of leeway for doling out some massive punishments for a team highly suspected of doing this.

Letting Haslem be the assistant janitor is one thing, but large sums of money going to a former player in amounts that far exceed what would be expected for the job would raise enough red flags to really lay the wood to MIA, I think.

 

[Britney Spears]

Haslem opted out.

It will be interesting to see what he re-signs for. Probably a good sign for the Heat though.

He has same agent as wade, bosh. I don't see a scenario where this would be bad for Miami. Of course I'm sporting heat contact lenses fwiw.From 07/08/2010RicBucher: FWIW: disparate opinions among gms, agents, league HQ officials today about where LeBron is going, but consensus on 1 thing: it's not Mia.

I'm still not sure what this master plan is. Let's say Wade and Bosh join LeBron and Haslem and all opt out. Let's also say Haslem re-signs for 3 million and the Heat renounce all thier other free agents. Cole is on the books for 2 and Napier about 1. Cap hold for 5 empty roster spots is about 2.5. Cap is 63.2 so that leaves 54.7 for the big 3 and a free agent. What's the lowest the big 3 might take? 15 million each? If so, that leaves 9.7 for a free agent and then they are forced to sign minimum guys for a bench. Who are they targeting for 9.7 and does this give them much better of a team than last year? Edit: I missed Birdman (and I'm not sure what's happening with him) but he doesn't make much so the figures are about the same.

I'm figuring Wade and/or Bosh will be taking less than $15M if they're really opting out to reconfigure the Heat salary structure. Here's what I wonder about: is there anything to stop James from giving Wade and Bosh "loans" once they retire?

I'd assume the NBA has given the commissioner quite a bit of leeway for doling out some massive punishments for a team highly suspected of doing this.Letting Haslem be the assistant janitor is one thing, but large sums of money going to a former player in amounts that far exceed what would be expected for the job would raise enough red flags to really lay the wood to MIA, I think.

Agreed. This isn't the NCAA as far as we know.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Wow, didn't even realize he didn't get drafted. I think he's got a very good shot at being a solid PG off the bench if he gets the opportunity. I think he can be every bit as good as Isaiah Thomas (Sac). Like Thomas, he's going to have a constant uphill battle to get his opportunities. Dude has insane hops.

Jahii Carson - G - Player
Arizona State guard Jahii Carson will join the Rockets in Orlando for summer league.
He was tied for first among all players at the NBA Draft Combine with a max-vertical of 43.5 inches, but it wasn't enough to get him drafted. Carson fueled the Sun Devil offense with his 18.6 points per game while also handing out 4.6 assists, but he will basically have to outperform guys like Arizona guard Nick Johnson or second-year guard Isaiah Canaan to have a shot to make the team. Missouri forward Jabari Brown will also join the Rockets and have a similar fate.
Related: Rockets

Source: Alex Kennedy on Twitter

 

[got_nugs]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

 

[got_nugs]

Haven't been in here for 4 or 5 pages... Have we all accepted the fact that every MIA player will be playing for one dollar this year?

Haslem will actually pay a fee. It's worth it to lock up that sweet assistant to the travelling secretary job with the Heat after he's done playing.

Laugh all you want, but wait and see. You guys don't understand that Riley has something special going on down there.

I don't think its a mystery... All three opt out. Come back at reduced rates.

Miami throws money at a real center. Say Jordan Hill level.

Spend 3-5 mil a piece for a starting PG and SG.

Let Wade come off the bench in a 6th Man role

Bring back Ray Allen for another year.

Use the draft pick for depth.

Fill out roster with min level guys

Now is that enough to win? who knows...

<---------- Would be very surprised if Wade opts out.

Are ya?

 

[metoo]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Duh

 

[got_nugs]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Duh

Todem knows more than fantasycurse. This is no longer debatable and proven over pages and pages of thread.

Sadness ensues.

also, ESPN reporting that Bosh just opted out.

Todem = Riley, +/-.

Excellent news for Heaters every

where!

 

[Celph Titled]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

 

[metoo]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Duh

Todem knows more than fantasycurse. This is no longer debatable and proven over pages and pages of thread.

Sadness ensues.

also, ESPN reporting that Bosh just opted out.

Todem = Riley, +/-.

Excellent news for Heaters every

where!

Only Heat haters thought Wade and Bosh wouldn't opt out. LeBron re-signs with the Heat, it's not that hard.

 

[got_nugs]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

sure...it's been mentioned with Wade locally but good luck in the future attracting free agents.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

 

[got_nugs]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

They're gonna have to play run the post night promotions in the stadium where a different fan plays the 5 each night.

 

[metoo]

Haslem also opts out.

 

[Celph Titled]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

sure...it's been mentioned with Wade locally but good luck in the future attracting free agents.

Pfff, I don't think Melo would be all too bothered.

 

[Celph Titled]

Heat will no resign any further players, Shabazz wins title by himself next year.

 

[got_nugs]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

sure...it's been mentioned with Wade locally but good luck in the future attracting free agents.

Pfff, I don't think Melo would be all too bothered.

oh, I thought you said superteam.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

 

[got_nugs]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

I thought Mike Miller could not be resigned due to the amnesty action the Heat did on him?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

Hollywood Hogan them.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

I thought Mike Miller could not be resigned due to the amnesty action the Heat did on him?

How many years did he have on his contract? If the contract that was amnestied lasted through this upcoming season, you're right.Edit: 5 years. I'll have to guess again.

 

[thecatch]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

I thought Mike Miller could not be resigned due to the amnesty action the Heat did on him?

You're right.

 

[NutterButter]

Looks like all the fun is over. Between the Heat getting smashed in the finals and all this opt in/opt out chatter, this has been the most fun I've had with the nba in a long time.

 

[pollardsvision]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

That would mean Pau signing for about $5 mill right? If that's the case, I guarandamntee you that he'll have to turn down an offer from CHA for twice that.

 

[Gr00vus]

Looks like all the fun is over. Between the Heat getting smashed in the finals and all this opt in/opt out chatter, this has been the most fun I've had with the nba in a long time.

There will still be the Carmelo sweepstakes. Should be pretty interesting to see what he does.

For as much as I don't think you can make him the center piece of a championship team (ala James or Durant), he's a really good player. I doubt he'd go, but it'd be interesting to see what he could do with Atlanta, Portland or Charlotte.

Also Love floating around out there. Lots of interesting stuff this offseason beyond the Heat.

That said, if they could get Lowry and a Robin Lopez type, they'd be very hard to beat.

 

[Gr00vus]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

That would mean Pau signing for about $5 mill right? If that's the case, I guarandamntee you that he'll have to turn down an offer from CHA for twice that.

Yeah, a couple of those Heatles will have to take in the 10-12 range to allow a major addition.

 

[pollardsvision]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

Extremely unlikely, but they could.

I assume Wade has a strong verbal agreement from LeBron and Riley in place. If he doesn't, and I'm Riley, I don't offer him a cent over $8 mill., let him walk and say I did all I could.

 

[Gr00vus]

Could Miami (technically) turn their back on Wade and Bosh now? A co-backstabbing from Riles and LeBron, and a new SuperTeam?

Extremely unlikely, but they could.

I assume Wade has a strong verbal agreement from LeBron and Riley in place. If he doesn't, and I'm Riley, I don't offer him a cent over $8 mill., let him walk and say I did all I could.

He could say it, but I doubt anyone would believe it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Predict the following: 2014-15 salaries of the Big 3 and who Miami signs with any savings. I'm thinking about mine but this should be good for some laughs next week.

My prediction, they re-sign for $15 million each and use the savings for Pau Gasol and Mike Miller.

That would mean Pau signing for about $5 mill right? If that's the case, I guarandamntee you that he'll have to turn down an offer from CHA for twice that.

Yeah, a couple of those Heatles will have to take in the 10-12 range to allow a major addition.

With Duncan making only 10 something, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities. If you want good players around, max deals are a problem.

 

[Gr00vus]

Then again, as it stands right now, it sounds like Phil wants to offer Pau $4M to go to the Knicks.

 

[Daywalker]

Pau to Chicago rumors have been floating around a while. Nice backup plan for Bulls if they pass or fail to get Carmelo. Especially if Mirotic is coming over this offseason.

 

[Todem]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Everyone laughed at my mere suggestion that everyone…Wade, Bosh, Lebron…and yes Haslem were opting out. "Wade opting out of 40MM over 2 years? Ha ha ha ha. Well he just did it.

Questioned my notion that this team is very very tight, that it's a family, that they are chasing history to win more titles. Whether they will be able to is another thing. But…it's happening. But my local perspective is dog #### I guess. I know nothing.

Lebron, Wade and Bosh along with Riley are figuring out what they need to do to get some other pieces in here.

Shabazz was step one. But he is a rookie so Who knows what we will get this year outta him.

Ray Allen will be back. Chris Anderson after he figures out he will not get much better than what he had down here can come back for one more season. The real question is what 4th piece are they bringing back that is going to make a splash? How much are they all resigning for is the burning question now.

Beasley can't play defense…so don't know if he is brought back. Chalmers has zero leverage now. He could come back as a 3 point specialist/back up point guard. Guy has hit a lot of big shots for us during the title run. He dried up in the ECF and Finals…but he is still a decent shooter under pressure and a serviceable PG.

Gortat? Gasol? I have to believe they are working the phones for a big man. I don't believe Lowry is an option with Shabazz being drafted. But who knows. Wade and Bosh are taking a pretty decent pay cut though. Lebron not so much IMO. And he shouldn't.

So everything is coming together though in regards to the opt outs that most never believed would happen on Wade's end.

 

[Todem]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Duh

Todem knows more than fantasycurse. This is no longer debatable and proven over pages and pages of thread.

Sadness ensues.

also, ESPN reporting that Bosh just opted out.

Todem = Riley, +/-.

Excellent news for Heaters every

where!

Come on Nugs.

I know nothing…I know absolutely nothing. But thanks for the support my Heat brother.

 

[Da Guru]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

 

[Daywalker]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

It wouldn't be the Heat selling Wade out. It would be Lebron. Never will happen.

 

[Todem]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

No way Riley does that to Wade. He has Dan Marino like status down here.

Never going to happen. If it did I would be shocked beyond belief.

 

[got_nugs]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

No way Riley does that to Wade. He has Dan Marino like status down here.

Never going to happen. If it did I would be shocked beyond belief.

I really think a big part of LeBron originally coming down to Miami and now likely staying here is the family oriented nature of the franchise. It'd never happen IMO

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

Wade had a good season. These guys played 4 finals and Olympics. They need some good healing this summer.

 

[Todem]

As it is, the Heat likely will enter the start of free agency holding only the rights of guard Norris Cole and first-round draft acquisition Shabazz Napier, the guard out of Connecticut acquired during Thursday night's NBA Draft, with more salary-cap space than any team in the NBA, as much as $55 million with which to reconfigure the roster.

Much of that space will go into new deals with James, Wade and Bosh that also are expected to come with additional years attached. Haslem also will receive some of that salary-cap space, with Ray Allen, among others, also expected to return.

Once the Heat are done spending on contracts above the NBA's minimum-salary scale, they then will also be granted a $2.7 million salary-cap exception to sign an additional player. From there, the Heat can sign players at the minimum salary, the vehicle likely to be used to retain James Jones and other lower-salaried free agents.

The maneuvering makes it more likely that point guard Mario Chalmers could be lost in free agency, a possibility with center Chris Andersen, as well.

Potential free-agent targets include Carmelo Anthony, Kyle Lowry, Marcin Gortat, Trevor Ariza and several others who might provide the upgrade depth the Heat lacked in falling to the Spurs after winning championships the previous two years.

Haslem twice previously has adjusted his contracts to accommodate Heat offseason personnel plans.

Haslem, who turned 34 on June 9, appeared in just 46 regular-season games and only six in the playoffs, as coach Erik Spoelstra mostly worked with small lineups. He remains a Heat co-captain along with Wade, having spent all 11 of his NBA seasons with the Heat since joining the team in 2003 as an undrafted free agent out of the University of Florida. Riley already has spoken of one day retiring Haslem's No. 40.

In the wake of the Wade and Haslem decisions, Riley issued a statement:

"Today we were notified of Dwyane's intention to opt-out of his contract and Udonis' intention to not opt into his contract, making both players free agents.

"Dwyane has been the cornerstone of our organization for over a decade, and we hope he remains a part of the Heat family for life.

"Udonis has been the heartbeat of this team for 11 years. He has sacrificed countless times to make this organization successful, and he is the epitome of what this organization stands for.

"We look forward to meeting with Dwyane and Udonis and their agent in the coming days to discuss our future together."

iwinderman@tribune.com. Follow him at twitter.com/iraheatbeat

 

[Celph Titled]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

Wade had a good season. These guys played 4 finals and Olympics. They need some good healing this summer.

He's a 33 yo shooting guard who doesn't shoot or defend. Anymore,

What would he get on the open market, 7-8mm maybe?

 

[got_nugs]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

Wade had a good season. These guys played 4 finals and Olympics. They need some good healing this summer.

He's a 33 yo shooting guard who doesn't shoot or defend. Anymore,

What would he get on the open market, 7-8mm maybe?

He's got a good mid range shot. Defense was gross this year.

 

[Celph Titled]

And FT attempts are rapidly declining. A lot not to like.

 

[pollardsvision]

Dam great opportunity here for Miami..the Heat should get Cold and just tell Wade he does not fit anymore and let him walk. Wades best days are behind him with his bad knees. Get some younger more athletic players in his place.

No way Riley does that to Wade. He has Dan Marino like status down here.Never going to happen. If it did I would be shocked beyond belief.

I don't think it happens, but even Dan Marino was sent packing.And he wasn't standing in the way of a possible championship team.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Will the Raptors offer Lowry the max?

 

[Abraham]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Everyone laughed at my mere suggestion that everyoneWade, Bosh, Lebronand yes Haslem were opting out. "Wade opting out of 40MM over 2 years? Ha ha ha ha. Well he just did it.Questioned my notion that this team is very very tight, that it's a family, that they are chasing history to win more titles. Whether they will be able to is another thing. Butit's happening. But my local perspective is dog #### I guess. I know nothing.

Lebron, Wade and Bosh along with Riley are figuring out what they need to do to get some other pieces in here.

Shabazz was step one. But he is a rookie so Who knows what we will get this year outta him.

Ray Allen will be back. Chris Anderson after he figures out he will not get much better than what he had down here can come back for one more season. The real question is what 4th piece are they bringing back that is going to make a splash? How much are they all resigning for is the burning question now.

Beasley can't play defenseso don't know if he is brought back. Chalmers has zero leverage now. He could come back as a 3 point specialist/back up point guard. Guy has hit a lot of big shots for us during the title run. He dried up in the ECF and Finalsbut he is still a decent shooter under pressure and a serviceable PG.

Gortat? Gasol? I have to believe they are working the phones for a big man. I don't believe Lowry is an option with Shabazz being drafted. But who knows. Wade and Bosh are taking a pretty decent pay cut though. Lebron not so much IMO. And he shouldn't.

So everything is coming together though in regards to the opt outs that most never believed would happen on Wade's end.

Wtf are you talking about? Most everyone believed they would all opt out.

 

[pollardsvision]

Wade opting out was a legitimate question with many thinking he wouldn't. I thought he might not but I wouldn't have been shocked either way.

If he takes what he's actually worth now ($10 mill or less), I will be shocked.

 

[RUSF18]

I don't think too many people chimed in very much until the claim that Wade would get re-signed for 4/40 aka playing two years for free.

 

[Todem]

Wade opts out. Tim Reynolds/AP

Everyone laughed at my mere suggestion that everyoneWade, Bosh, Lebronand yes Haslem were opting out. "Wade opting out of 40MM over 2 years? Ha ha ha ha. Well he just did it.Questioned my notion that this team is very very tight, that it's a family, that they are chasing history to win more titles. Whether they will be able to is another thing. Butit's happening. But my local perspective is dog #### I guess. I know nothing.

Lebron, Wade and Bosh along with Riley are figuring out what they need to do to get some other pieces in here.

Shabazz was step one. But he is a rookie so Who knows what we will get this year outta him.

Ray Allen will be back. Chris Anderson after he figures out he will not get much better than what he had down here can come back for one more season. The real question is what 4th piece are they bringing back that is going to make a splash? How much are they all resigning for is the burning question now.

Beasley can't play defenseso don't know if he is brought back. Chalmers has zero leverage now. He could come back as a 3 point specialist/back up point guard. Guy has hit a lot of big shots for us during the title run. He dried up in the ECF and Finalsbut he is still a decent shooter under pressure and a serviceable PG.

Gortat? Gasol? I have to believe they are working the phones for a big man. I don't believe Lowry is an option with Shabazz being drafted. But who knows. Wade and Bosh are taking a pretty decent pay cut though. Lebron not so much IMO. And he shouldn't.

So everything is coming together though in regards to the opt outs that most never believed would happen on Wade's end.

Wtf are you talking about? Most everyone believed they would all opt out.

Except some very, very vocal posters in here Abe give me a break.

 

[Todem]

I don't think too many people chimed in very much until the claim that Wade would get re-signed for 4/40 aka playing two years for free.

Thing is with Wade 4 years is the max years I think he can get with the new CBA because of his age. So my thinking is he is worth about 10MM a year at this stage. But hey…he may get 4/50 4/55 range no question. I am very interested to see how much he gives back.