*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (7 Viewers)

[Timmay]

The No. 1 guard in the class of 2014, Emmanuel Mudiay, is not going to SMU but playing overseas instead. Likely lottery pick in 2015. Some talk about an NCAA investigation into Larry Brown/SMU and Mudiay causing this.

Woj

SMU isn't very good at getting around the system.

 

[pollardsvision]

The No. 1 guard in the class of 2014, Emmanuel Mudiay, is not going to SMU but playing overseas instead. Likely lottery pick in 2015. Some talk about an NCAA investigation into Larry Brown/SMU and Mudiay causing this.

Woj

Good for him.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

DrJ just gave up trying not to pretend he is fishing.

Is it really fishing if you post stupid, douchey things and everyone calls you a stupid #####?

 

[rodg12]

Mildly interesting side-note to the Mudiay thing is that he attended Deion's Prime Prep Academy for High School.

 

[Todem]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.

And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.

What can I say.

 

[DrJ]

DrJ just gave up trying not to pretend he is fishing.

Is it really fishing if you post stupid, douchey things and everyone calls you a stupid #####?

Agreed, it's not fishing if you're not actually trying. This is more like taking your boat out for a spin and having all of these ####### asian carp just leaping into it.

 

[thecatch]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

 

[Gatorman]

Habastroh just on Lebatard and Bosh said he was considering Phoenix, Dal, Hou, and MIami.

Also made a point that Miami is a destination, not lebron, so it may be a little harder to get guys to come play in Ohio for the minimum (and that Ray may be going back to the heat rather than to Cleveland)

 

[Slapdash]

DrJ just gave up trying not to pretend he is fishing.

I'll never understand why people feel the need to post obnoxious, stupid #### just to get responses. Happens all over the place in this forum from DrJ to Tim to Otis and etc. Maybe y'all were neglected as children or something.

 

[Gatorman]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

No, there is a huge difference. One team (Miami) has been classy from the ownership group down to about 70% + Of the fan base. I must have missed the letter from Mickey Arison. Just like not everyone outside of miami loves the Lebron move of "going home". BTW, Lebron's face was painted back on by heat fans, but you will not see that occur on ESPN.

 

[thecatch]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

No, there is a huge difference. One team (Miami) has been classy from the ownership group down to about 70% + Of the fan base. I must have missed the letter from Mickey Arison. Just like not everyone outside of miami loves the Lebron move of "going home". BTW, Lebron's face was painted back on by heat fans, but you will not see that occur on ESPN.

Todem was talking about the fans. Apparently CLE deserves more blame for the isolated group of fans who burned jerseys than MIA deserves for the isolated group of fans who are defacing public artwork.

 

[B-Deep]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

No, there is a huge difference. One team (Miami) has been classy from the ownership group down to about 70% + Of the fan base. I must have missed the letter from Mickey Arison. Just like not everyone outside of miami loves the Lebron move of "going home". BTW, Lebron's face was painted back on by heat fans, but you will not see that occur on ESPN.

Todem was talking about the fans. Apparently CLE deserves more blame for the isolated group of fans who burned jerseys than MIA deserves for the isolated group of fans who are defacing public artwork.

i think there's a bit of a scope difference here

 

[got_nugs]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

No, there is a huge difference. One team (Miami) has been classy from the ownership group down to about 70% + Of the fan base. I must have missed the letter from Mickey Arison. Just like not everyone outside of miami loves the Lebron move of "going home". BTW, Lebron's face was painted back on by heat fans, but you will not see that occur on ESPN.

Todem was talking about the fans. Apparently CLE deserves more blame for the isolated group of fans who burned jerseys than MIA deserves for the isolated group of fans who are defacing public artwork.

A vast majority of us Heat fans are grateful for the 4 years we got. In your most honest moment would you suggest that most Cavs fans were grateful for the 7 they got?

 

[thecatch]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

No, there is a huge difference. One team (Miami) has been classy from the ownership group down to about 70% + Of the fan base. I must have missed the letter from Mickey Arison. Just like not everyone outside of miami loves the Lebron move of "going home". BTW, Lebron's face was painted back on by heat fans, but you will not see that occur on ESPN.

Todem was talking about the fans. Apparently CLE deserves more blame for the isolated group of fans who burned jerseys than MIA deserves for the isolated group of fans who are defacing public artwork.

A vast majority of us Heat fans are grateful for the 4 years we got. In your most honest moment would you suggest that most Cavs fans were grateful for the 7 they got?

I wouldn't know. America's perception of how CLE took his departure was shaped by the same type of sensationalizing news coverage that you guys are ripping now that's it has been turned on you. Obviously Miami's management handled it better - but would Cleveland's management have more gracefully handled the exit if they had won two titles? Probably.

 

[Gr00vus]

LOL

I see your LOL and raise you a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Lakers fans. Pfft.

 

[DrJ]

LOL

I see your LOL and raise you a BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Lakers fans. Pfft.

Yeah, my notebook keeping is kind of like Lebron's shooting in big games. I just don't do it.

 

[thecatch]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

 

[Abraham]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

 

[Abraham]

Rockets and Pelicans in the Greg Monroe hunt.

 

[Kev4029]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

When you can get a stretch 4 that shoots 28% from 3 and 40% from the field for $8M/yr, you gotta do it.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If Morey reups Parsons for $900k, Parson is unrestricted next summer with no ability to match. In hindsight, re upping Parsons was the play, but I think some of you are overlooking that when blasting Morey. Guy may have been wrong, but he isn't stupid.

 

[thecatch]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

When you can get a stretch 4 that shoots 28% from 3 and 40% from the field for $8M/yr, you gotta do it.

While on his basketball reference page, you may have noticed that he has shot over 44% from downtown 2 of the last 3 years. He's still only 27 so it could be that he just got sucked into the Bucks vortex of crappiness last year.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

When you can get a stretch 4 that shoots 28% from 3 and 40% from the field for $8M/yr, you gotta do it.

While on his basketball reference page, you may have noticed that he has shot over 44% from downtown 2 of the last 3 years. He's still only 27 so it could be that he just got sucked into the Bucks vortex of crappiness last year.

Yeah, I think he rebounds this year in a big way and would be a nice piece in Clev.

 

[RUSF18]

If Morey reups Parsons for $900k, Parson is unrestricted next summer with no ability to match. In hindsight, re upping Parsons was the play, but I think some of you are overlooking that when blasting Morey. Guy may have been wrong, but he isn't stupid.

But he still has Bird rights which helps retain him, and if he doesn't want to stay, he can sign and trade him and get assets back. Not to mention you get his actual production for the year.

 

[pollardsvision]

If Morey reups Parsons for $900k, Parson is unrestricted next summer with no ability to match. In hindsight, re upping Parsons was the play, but I think some of you are overlooking that when blasting Morey. Guy may have been wrong, but he isn't stupid.

Nobody's overlooking that. It just doesn't make any sense.

If he expected Parsons to get blown away with an offer next summer, surely it would've occurred to him that such an offer could come this summer too.

If he wasn't planning on matching a huge offer, then it was silly to make him a RFA.

 

[No. 16]

If Morey reups Parsons for $900k, Parson is unrestricted next summer with no ability to match. In hindsight, re upping Parsons was the play, but I think some of you are overlooking that when blasting Morey. Guy may have been wrong, but he isn't stupid.

Thing is if you choose to RFA Parsons then you actually kind of have to match or at least that's the intent (like the Jazz did with Hayward). What seems to have happened is Morey miscalculated Parson's RFA market value and rightly declined the massive 15 million dollar offer. I'd pile on Morey a bit more but signing Ariza for half is a solid recovery move. Sure Parsons on 900k is a steal but having Ariza for 4 years on a declining 8 million dollar contract is not bad....as you can see the league is paying through the nose on shooting and you couple that up with defense and 8 million is a almost a steal.

So I see it as Morey made 1 mistake (canceling the contract), but followed it up with two correct decisions (declining and getting Ariza). Also, don't discount the GM/agent relationship and give and take here. Howard and Parsons share an agent. Dwight Howard took LESS MONEY last year to sign outright with the Rockets.....wonder how Morey will make it up to the agent....oh yah. Let's give Parsons a raise a year early. You always gotta follow the money and as much as the players like to think they're in control... like Jalen Rose always says.... the agents and owners are wealthy, the players are just rich.

 

[Kev4029]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

When you can get a stretch 4 that shoots 28% from 3 and 40% from the field for $8M/yr, you gotta do it.

While on his basketball reference page, you may have noticed that he has shot over 44% from downtown 2 of the last 3 years. He's still only 27 so it could be that he just got sucked into the Bucks vortex of crappiness last year.

Hes been a very mediocre player for 4 out of 6 years, I think it might be fair to say 2 and 3 years ago are the aberration, not the rest of his career.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

 

[pollardsvision]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.

Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.

Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

 

[pollardsvision]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.

Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

Starting PG's of the Top 4 teams in the East last year: Rio, George Hill, DJ Augustin, Lowry.

"Going to contend" is a stretch depending on how you define that, but I think they should be a Top 5-6 team in the East with a chance to be in the ECF if everything breaks right.

That won't mean they are a great team, but 2 powerhouses from last year are gone and it's wide open.

If they aren't any good, it'll be because Wade and Bosh are toast, not because their PG isn't good enough.

 

[thecatch]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

When you can get a stretch 4 that shoots 28% from 3 and 40% from the field for $8M/yr, you gotta do it.

While on his basketball reference page, you may have noticed that he has shot over 44% from downtown 2 of the last 3 years. He's still only 27 so it could be that he just got sucked into the Bucks vortex of crappiness last year.

Hes been a very mediocre player for 4 out of 6 years, I think it might be fair to say 2 and 3 years ago are the aberration, not the rest of his career.

Even if you think he was in over his head for those two years, he's a 37% career three point shooter, which is still good enough to be a solid stretch 4. If he had a spotless record he wouldn't be available.

 

[Todem]

Now Todem sounds like a Cavaliers fan from 4 years ago.

No....we are not burning jerseys, crying and wailing like life is over. Please. We knew this day was going to come...just not after his first 4 years here. Especially after all the success we had.And yeah he quit on the Cav's after 7 years of not getting it done. But he left a 4 time Finals team.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And how's that mural that took 2-3 years to finish looking today?

Obviously in any city your going to have animals and hoodrats.What can I say.

So you are suggesting that maybe there isn't a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how the fan bases handled James's departure?

No the media seeks out the worst and obvious. And does not report the real reaction. It's typical. But Cleveland was going crazy when it went down in 2010 (and rightfully so because Lebron mishandled the entire thing)

For the most part the real fan base has handled this quite well. We are very pleased how Riley is going to put out a competitive team after the bombshell came on Friday. He has done what he has had to do to fill 12 of 15 spots already.

For the blow that the team felt Friday…most of the long time fans have taken it well and we have been staying classy. We wish Lebron well and thank him for an amazing 4 years.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

Chalmers/Cole/Napier Trident of Doom down?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

Chalmers/Cole/Napier Trident of Doom down?

The Skewer of Suck

 

[pollardsvision]

Rudy Gay wants make sure he likes the direction of the Kings before discussing any extension.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234284/Rudy-Gay-Wants-To-See-How-Kings-Develop-Before-Discussing-Extension

Um, Rudy..

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

They only way they get top 4 is if they win their division. Are they going to be better than Washington or Atlanta? Not IMO. Cleveland or Chicago takes their division and likely are 1-2 in the conference. Then you liekly have Toronto taking the Atlantic. so at best they'll be in a group of Indy and Was or Atl, fighting for seeds 5-7. IMO they'll be closer to the NYK, Det, BKN and Cha group fighting for the final 2 spots.

 

[Kev4029]

Bucks reportedly shopping Illysova hard - he'd be another stretch 4 for the Cavs that wouldn't cost them Wiggins and 20+% of their cap.

Rockets

When you can get a stretch 4 that shoots 28% from 3 and 40% from the field for $8M/yr, you gotta do it.

While on his basketball reference page, you may have noticed that he has shot over 44% from downtown 2 of the last 3 years. He's still only 27 so it could be that he just got sucked into the Bucks vortex of crappiness last year.

Hes been a very mediocre player for 4 out of 6 years, I think it might be fair to say 2 and 3 years ago are the aberration, not the rest of his career.

Even if you think he was in over his head for those two years, he's a 37% career three point shooter, which is still good enough to be a solid stretch 4. If he had a spotless record he wouldn't be available.

He's had four years under his career average, including two years below 30 percent. I think his expected production should be somewhere in between last year and the two previous years, and teaming that with his lack of defensive acumen, I wouldn't be pursuing him if I were a GM.

 

[Kev4029]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.

Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

Starting PG's of the Top 4 teams in the East last year: Rio, George Hill, DJ Augustin, Lowry.

"Going to contend" is a stretch depending on how you define that, but I think they should be a Top 5-6 team in the East with a chance to be in the ECF if everything breaks right.

That won't mean they are a great team, but 2 powerhouses from last year are gone and it's wide open.

If they aren't any good, it'll be because Wade and Bosh are toast, not because their PG isn't good enough.

Not that it changes your point, but Hinrich was the starter in Chicago.

In the end, Miami, Indiana and Chicago all lost in the playoffs in large part because of the lack of point guard play. With a stand out point guard each of those teams would have performed much differently in the playoffs.

 

[pollardsvision]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

Starting PG's of the Top 4 teams in the East last year: Rio, George Hill, DJ Augustin, Lowry."Going to contend" is a stretch depending on how you define that, but I think they should be a Top 5-6 team in the East with a chance to be in the ECF if everything breaks right.

That won't mean they are a great team, but 2 powerhouses from last year are gone and it's wide open.

If they aren't any good, it'll be because Wade and Bosh are toast, not because their PG isn't good enough.

Not that it changes your point, but Hinrich was the starter in Chicago.

In the end, Miami, Indiana and Chicago all lost in the playoffs in large part because of the lack of point guard play. With a stand out point guard each of those teams would have performed much differently in the playoffs.

Maybe they can bring in Jameer

 

[Moe.]

Rudy Gay wants make sure he likes the direction of the Kings before discussing any extension.http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234284/Rudy-Gay-Wants-To-See-How-Kings-Develop-Before-Discussing-ExtensionUm, Rudy..

You think he's ever heard of Groucho Marx?

 

[Slapdash]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

I don't see them as a contender, although they probably make the playoffs. A Chalmers/Wade backcourt is painful. McRobberts is an upgrade off the bench, but doesn't move the dial much.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Rudy Gay wants make sure he likes the direction of the Kings before discussing any extension.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234284/Rudy-Gay-Wants-To-See-How-Kings-Develop-Before-Discussing-Extension

Um, Rudy..

Ironically, when looking over the roster, he realized their best move was.... getting rid of Rudy Gay!

You have to read that in Norm MacDonald's voice.

 

[pollardsvision]

Rudy Gay wants make sure he likes the direction of the Kings before discussing any extension.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234284/Rudy-Gay-Wants-To-See-How-Kings-Develop-Before-Discussing-Extension

Um, Rudy..

Ironically, when looking over the roster, he realized their best move was.... getting rid of Rudy Gay!

You have to read that in Norm MacDonald's voice.

I read everything in Norm MacDonald's voice.

 

[got_nugs]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

It's more about the East.

Bosh/McBob/Wade/Deng compares favorably to most of what other East teams have. McBob was the 3rd best player, by a massive margin, on the 7-seed in the East last year.

I'm sure Wade will handle a lot more of the playmaking duties than he has the past couple of years. He's probably being really underrated right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini-renaissance from him this year.

McBob brings a lot of playmaking ability too.

I think there are about 5-6 teams with a shot to win the East. MIA is unlikely, but they are one of them.

Well, unless this Mirotic fella really is a supercharged Dirk, then nobody's touching CHI.

So, your answer is yes, they have no PG, but they're going to contend anyway?

Starting PG's of the Top 4 teams in the East last year: Rio, George Hill, DJ Augustin, Lowry.

"Going to contend" is a stretch depending on how you define that, but I think they should be a Top 5-6 team in the East with a chance to be in the ECF if everything breaks right.

That won't mean they are a great team, but 2 powerhouses from last year are gone and it's wide open.

If they aren't any good, it'll be because Wade and Bosh are toast, not because their PG isn't good enough.

Not that it changes your point, but Hinrich was the starter in Chicago.

In the end, Miami, Indiana and Chicago all lost in the playoffs in large part because of the lack of point guard play. With a stand out point guard each of those teams would have performed much differently in the playoffs.

Just want to argue this point. Chalmers/Cole killed the Heat with horrible, terrible, grotesque play at the PG but Miami didn't lose anything as much as the Spurs went out and whipped their ### and took it from them. I don't think you could convince me that if Miami subbed in Chris Paul for Chalmers in the finals that the eventual outcome would be any different.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

I don't see them as a contender, although they probably make the playoffs. A Chalmers/Wade backcourt is painful. McRobberts is an upgrade off the bench, but doesn't move the dial much.

Agreed. Does anyone seriously think the mcRoberts deal will be anythjng other than an albatross a year from now?

 

[pollardsvision]

I keep hearing that this Heat team, as presently composed, is going to be a playoff team next season, potentially a 4 or 5. They lost their point. Who the hell is going to handle the basketball for them? Chalmers is going to be a real PG all of a sudden?

I don't see them as a contender, although they probably make the playoffs. A Chalmers/Wade backcourt is painful. McRobberts is an upgrade off the bench, but doesn't move the dial much.

Agreed. Does anyone seriously think the mcRoberts deal will be anythjng other than an albatross a year from now?

Don't let the fact that Mike Brown isn't a quarter of the coach Steve Clifford is and didn't a clue what to do with McBob cloud your judgement. Spoelstra is almost as good as Clifford, so he'll probably get it figured out.

That's going to be the best contract on that roster in 2 years.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

If Morey reups Parsons for $900k, Parson is unrestricted next summer with no ability to match. In hindsight, re upping Parsons was the play, but I think some of you are overlooking that when blasting Morey. Guy may have been wrong, but he isn't stupid.

Thing is if you choose to RFA Parsons then you actually kind of have to match or at least that's the intent (like the Jazz did with Hayward). What seems to have happened is Morey miscalculated Parson's RFA market value and rightly declined the massive 15 million dollar offer. I'd pile on Morey a bit more but signing Ariza for half is a solid recovery move. Sure Parsons on 900k is a steal but having Ariza for 4 years on a declining 8 million dollar contract is not bad....as you can see the league is paying through the nose on shooting and you couple that up with defense and 8 million is a almost a steal.

So I see it as Morey made 1 mistake (canceling the contract), but followed it up with two correct decisions (declining and getting Ariza). Also, don't discount the GM/agent relationship and give and take here. Howard and Parsons share an agent. Dwight Howard took LESS MONEY last year to sign outright with the Rockets.....wonder how Morey will make it up to the agent....oh yah. Let's give Parsons a raise a year early. You always gotta follow the money and as much as the players like to think they're in control... like Jalen Rose always says.... the agents and owners are wealthy, the players are just rich.

So in order to not lose Parsons' rights entirely, Morey was taking the calculated risk that Parsons would get offered a contract by someone else that Morey would be willing to match this year?

By playing it this way, in Morey's best-case scenario, he re-signs Parsons this year for like 3/30 (or something like that)?

Is there a max that Parsons could have been offered by another team this year?

I agree that he must have massively underestimated the contract that Parsons would be offered. Otherwise, why not keep him and take your chances next year? I mean, what was he really going to get offered next year that would have been so much more than this 3/46? At least in AAV.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Why not....

Anthony Randolph - F/C - Magic
The Magic acquired Anthony Randolph and intend to waive him.
An offseason isn't an offseason without Anthony Randolph changing teams. The Magic also picked up two future second-round picks and cash considerations. He is unlikely to be a factor on any team this season.


Source: NBA.com

 

[pollardsvision]

It's a shame they are going to waive him. He is such a perfect fit on that team.