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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

Would abyone in LA like to join me at the rockets/lakers game Sunday 1/25, lakers/bullets 1/26 or clippers / nuggets 1/27?

 
Gasol with 46 and 18? Man, here I thought that he was washed up and had been holding the Lakers back for the last 5 years. Huh. Maybe there was a different problem in LA.

 
Sixers aren't the worst team in the NBA, despite their best efforts. :lmao:
Yea wtf? I'm happy for it though. Only bad thing is 2 or 3 more wins and we got the 8th seed.
The irony for all the crap they got and yet the Knicks actually tried to be good. It would only be fitting for them to somehow still win the lottery but I highly doubt the Knicks lose a lottery with a chance to get one of the best big men since Ewing.

But that might save the Sixers a headache with Okafor, Embiid and Noel looking like a center. Okafor is probably the best of the lot but you'd be selling the odd man out for pennies on the dollar. Granted Noel is more of a 6th man and no guarantee Embiid stays healthy. But the Sixers get Johnson or Winslow and have a top 7 of MCW, KJ, Winslow/Johnson, Covington, Saric, Noel, and Embiid and you can probably get a playoff spot in two years in the East.

 
Abraham said:
Would abyone in LA like to join me at the rockets/lakers game Sunday 1/25, lakers/bullets 1/26 or clippers / nuggets 1/27?
I would, are you paying? Also, I would need you to pick me up and pay for parking and food/drinks once we get there.

 
Pretty surprised the Hornets have won 5 in a row despite Al Jeff being out. Kemba is playing out of his mind and Zeller is going into his own. 8-5 since Lance was injured benched...wonder is someone will send a gift basket in trade?

 
when are the knickerbockers going to fire fisher? they're a disgrace for that alone nevermind trotting out a NBDL squad at the garden.

 
Hawks with a statement against the Wizards - wow, fantastic performance. So fun to watch and it appears they are getting some good crowds down at Philips. I have to get to a game soon.

 
@BlakeEllington: Reporter: "Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love they are two max players, they're here."

Blatt: "Kevin's not a max player yet."

 
Gonna need a scouting report in Mr. Black, Ferris.
Excellent lower body strength; offensively, can keep inside position once established. Better at setting up deep to accept a dump-off pass from a driving PG than as the screener on high pick-and-rolls. Strong enough to finish through contact.

Good speed for a man of his girth, but stretch fours will beat him down the floor.

No shooting range. Lousy FT shooting form.

A bit of a foul magnet on defense. Quick feet for his size, but doesn't have great shot-blocking instincts and fouls a lot when contesting shots. Has trouble figuring out when to rotate out and close on a shooter and when to stay home and keep rebounding position; because of this, he can get caught in no-man's-land and foul when rejoining the play.

He seems to be a pretty good guy. He was an immediately-eligible grad transfer to KU and there for only one year, but his teammates were crazy about him. The bench exploded when he scored. Stood out as a vocal guy on a roster of pretty laid-back dudes for high level college basketball.

Won't ever be a starter, but could be a guy who comes off the bench to get a couple dunks and tough rebounds to get the team going.
Black looks legit thus far. His energy has been outstanding.

 
@BlakeEllington: Reporter: "Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love they are two max players, they're here."

Blatt: "Kevin's not a max player yet."
Pretty bad when you hear it.

The full context was, they should be winning SOME of these games without Lebron.

Real poor job there by Blatt.

Lue countdown in effect.

 
Sources say Bargnani is a candidate to be waived next month if New York can't find a deal for the former No. 1 overall pick and his $11.5 million expiring contract.
They gave up a 1st and 2 2nds for 44 horrible games of him.

Does anyone take another shot at him when he gets waived?

 
Sources say Bargnani is a candidate to be waived next month if New York can't find a deal for the former No. 1 overall pick and his $11.5 million expiring contract.
They gave up a 1st and 2 2nds for 44 horrible games of him.

Does anyone take another shot at him when he gets waived?
I'd say no but, then again, Turkoglu is still in the NBA.
At least Turkoglu could shoot...and smoke.

 
Sources say Bargnani is a candidate to be waived next month if New York can't find a deal for the former No. 1 overall pick and his $11.5 million expiring contract.
They gave up a 1st and 2 2nds for 44 horrible games of him.

Does anyone take another shot at him when he gets waived?
He definitely gets picked up. He's only 29, still 7 feet tall and he can hit jump shots (hes definitely struggled from three for a few years, but he's maintained his long two stroke). We've probably seen the last of him as a starter or significant contributor, but a 7 footer who can stretch the defense will always have a home somewhere.

 
Yeah, anyone starting him is gonna have a bad time.

He might not look bad in Houston for 8-10 minutes a game when Howard is on the floor and Harden isn't.

Pelicans? Being the 5th/6th big there could work.

Utah? He is white.

Don't see many fits outside of them.

 
Pistons come back and beat the Raptors in Toronto. I still don't even get what is happening.
There was one man who could stop JV tonight. Dwayne Casey :thumbup:

Unbelievable. How do you get 3 (or so) touches in the 2nd half when you're 11/12? Dwayne Casey :thumbup:

How does a guy who had made 13 straight shots not see the floor to close out the game? Dwayne Casey :thumbup:

ETA: 2 FGA attempts in the last 20 minutes of the game and one was a tip in. Terrible.

 
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Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?

 
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Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
the SW division is brutal this year especially.

 
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
Davis is almost certainly there for 5 more season after this one. They play in a horrendously tough division. They need to add some depth pretty much everywhere and get rid of their craptastic guard rotation but unfortunately, they're stuck with it for the next 2 years. The contracts for Holliday, Evans and Gordon are terrible. Until they are gone, their isn't much of a chance at competing.

They aren't signing an elite player so you can forget about that. Outside of Davis, Anderson and Asik, their roster needs to be completely overhauled. Without Davis, they'd be about as bad as the Lakers/Jazz.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
As Clavin said they won't lose him, he'll be locked in for another 5 years after this one on a "designated player" contract (technically he could refuse it but nobody ever refuses it). I think they have to dump Monty Williams, who seems like a nice guy but should be doing more with Davis and has seen several formerly useful to good players regress under his leadership. Other than a solid hiring there and hopefully hitting in the mid-round pick this year, their best bet is to wait until after the 2015-16 season to make their move. Their brutal conference will look totally different at that point- the Spurs and Mavs will lose superstar players (and maybe a coach) to retirement by then and Durant will be a free agent. At that point, with lots of cap space available and a 23 year old superstar in the fold, New Orleans could look pretty attractive. Maybe they'll be a fit for Westbrook once Durant leaves for DC? ;)

I really think you can't go wrong getting on the Pelicans' bandwagon, as you seem to be contemplating. Davis is just too good- it would almost be difficult NOT to stumble into a contender during at least a season or two of his next 5 year deal. And he's really fun to watch- I watch a lot of Pelicans' minutes even when I have no rooting interest at all just to enjoy his game. Also I was at a Pelicans' game on Friday night, it's a pretty good vibe considering the city has never seen a great NBA team and a decent venue. They're doing good work there. I think it helps that the arena is smaller, makes it seem like a great crowd even if it's only 15K.

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
Davis is almost certainly there for 5 more season after this one. They play in a horrendously tough division. They need to add some depth pretty much everywhere and get rid of their craptastic guard rotation but unfortunately, they're stuck with it for the next 2 years. The contracts for Holliday, Evans and Gordon are terrible. Until they are gone, their isn't much of a chance at competing.

They aren't signing an elite player so you can forget about that. Outside of Davis, Anderson and Asik, their roster needs to be completely overhauled. Without Davis, they'd be about as bad as the Lakers/Jazz.
Evans and especially Gordon have bad contracts, but I don't think Holiday is a bad contract at all. He's not efficient scoring the ball, but otherwise, he is really good. He's one of the better defenders at the position, he distributes the ball well, and can hit jumpers, plus hes only 24 so he may have room to grow. Probably one of the top 15 PGs in the NBA, or very very close to it.

 
After 4-5 years I have actually started watching the Pistons again. Only know 3-4 guys on the team. Who is this Meeks dude?

 
Cliff Clavin said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
Davis is almost certainly there for 5 more season after this one. They play in a horrendously tough division. They need to add some depth pretty much everywhere and get rid of their craptastic guard rotation but unfortunately, they're stuck with it for the next 2 years. The contracts for Holliday, Evans and Gordon are terrible. Until they are gone, their isn't much of a chance at competing.

They aren't signing an elite player so you can forget about that. Outside of Davis, Anderson and Asik, their roster needs to be completely overhauled. Without Davis, they'd be about as bad as the Lakers/Jazz.
Evans and especially Gordon have bad contracts, but I don't think Holiday is a bad contract at all. He's not efficient scoring the ball, but otherwise, he is really good. He's one of the better defenders at the position, he distributes the ball well, and can hit jumpers, plus hes only 24 so he may have room to grow. Probably one of the top 15 PGs in the NBA, or very very close to it.
$11M for a bottom tier PG seems like a little much to me. The list of PGs that make similar money to him blow him out of the water ie.

Parker $14

Curry $11

Lowry $12

Rondo $11

Lawson $12

Conley $8

Dragic $8

Ellis $8

Teague $8

Thomas $7

Maybe he is worth it and all of those guys are underpaid. Either way, there is zero value in giving Holliday $11M.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
Davis is almost certainly there for 5 more season after this one. They play in a horrendously tough division. They need to add some depth pretty much everywhere and get rid of their craptastic guard rotation but unfortunately, they're stuck with it for the next 2 years. The contracts for Holliday, Evans and Gordon are terrible. Until they are gone, their isn't much of a chance at competing.

They aren't signing an elite player so you can forget about that. Outside of Davis, Anderson and Asik, their roster needs to be completely overhauled. Without Davis, they'd be about as bad as the Lakers/Jazz.
Evans and especially Gordon have bad contracts, but I don't think Holiday is a bad contract at all. He's not efficient scoring the ball, but otherwise, he is really good. He's one of the better defenders at the position, he distributes the ball well, and can hit jumpers, plus hes only 24 so he may have room to grow. Probably one of the top 15 PGs in the NBA, or very very close to it.
$11M for a bottom tier PG seems like a little much to me. The list of PGs that make similar money to him blow him out of the water ie.

Parker $14

Curry $11

Lowry $12

Rondo $11

Lawson $12

Conley $8

Dragic $8

Ellis $8

Teague $8

Thomas $7

Maybe he is worth it and all of those guys are underpaid. Either way, there is zero value in giving Holliday $11M.
To be fair 3 of the first 4 guys on that should be max-level guys at this point and the 4th is a Spur. I don't think 11 million is unreasonable with the way the cap will be moving in short order. Evans and Gordon are the problems.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
Davis is almost certainly there for 5 more season after this one. They play in a horrendously tough division. They need to add some depth pretty much everywhere and get rid of their craptastic guard rotation but unfortunately, they're stuck with it for the next 2 years. The contracts for Holliday, Evans and Gordon are terrible. Until they are gone, their isn't much of a chance at competing.

They aren't signing an elite player so you can forget about that. Outside of Davis, Anderson and Asik, their roster needs to be completely overhauled. Without Davis, they'd be about as bad as the Lakers/Jazz.
Evans and especially Gordon have bad contracts, but I don't think Holiday is a bad contract at all. He's not efficient scoring the ball, but otherwise, he is really good. He's one of the better defenders at the position, he distributes the ball well, and can hit jumpers, plus hes only 24 so he may have room to grow. Probably one of the top 15 PGs in the NBA, or very very close to it.
$11M for a bottom tier PG seems like a little much to me. The list of PGs that make similar money to him blow him out of the water ie.

Parker $14

Curry $11

Lowry $12

Rondo $11

Lawson $12

Conley $8

Dragic $8

Ellis $8

Teague $8

Thomas $7

Maybe he is worth it and all of those guys are underpaid. Either way, there is zero value in giving Holliday $11M.
To be fair 3 of the first 4 guys on that should be max-level guys at this point and the 4th is a Spur. I don't think 11 million is unreasonable with the way the cap will be moving in short order. Evans and Gordon are the problems.
Lowry was an FA this summer and didn't get a max offer from anyone. The last year of his deal *might* not look bad if the cap skyrockets but he'll still be overpaid compared to his peers.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Thoughts on the Pelicans this year? Probably asking a lot for a response, but I'm probably ready to start going to games again now that football is pretty much over and I would like to get back into it.

Main thing is something that a lot of teams go through: they have a star, Anthony Davis, who may be even bigger or better than Chris Paul in terms of being able to possible lay claim to being a top 5 player one day, if he isn't already. How do NBA teams make this transition, ie how do they build a team around a major star without losing him after his contract is up?

I just don't see how NO can get the proper supporting cast to make the playoffs this year or regularly. Have any teams found the solution short of signing the huge stars to go with the elite player?
Davis is almost certainly there for 5 more season after this one. They play in a horrendously tough division. They need to add some depth pretty much everywhere and get rid of their craptastic guard rotation but unfortunately, they're stuck with it for the next 2 years. The contracts for Holliday, Evans and Gordon are terrible. Until they are gone, their isn't much of a chance at competing.

They aren't signing an elite player so you can forget about that. Outside of Davis, Anderson and Asik, their roster needs to be completely overhauled. Without Davis, they'd be about as bad as the Lakers/Jazz.
Evans and especially Gordon have bad contracts, but I don't think Holiday is a bad contract at all. He's not efficient scoring the ball, but otherwise, he is really good. He's one of the better defenders at the position, he distributes the ball well, and can hit jumpers, plus hes only 24 so he may have room to grow. Probably one of the top 15 PGs in the NBA, or very very close to it.
$11M for a bottom tier PG seems like a little much to me. The list of PGs that make similar money to him blow him out of the water ie.

Parker $14

Curry $11

Lowry $12

Rondo $11

Lawson $12

Conley $8

Dragic $8

Ellis $8

Teague $8

Thomas $7

Maybe he is worth it and all of those guys are underpaid. Either way, there is zero value in giving Holliday $11M.
Curry, Lowry and Lawson are all better players, Teague has certainly played much better this year than Holiday as well. Ellis hasn't played a minute of PG this season (according to Basketball Reference) and I think we would all agree that his play with the Mavs is much better than what we would expect if he went elsewhere. Dragic is about to get a fat pay raise and other than last year hasn't proven to be significantly better. Parker has fallen off a cliff. Conley and Rondo are two of the more similar players to Holiday in the league, Conley is probably the best of the three, but I would definitely take Holiday over Rondo. Thomas is a 6th man who can't defend the position, and was paid as such.

Some other PGs making similar money (FTW Holiday is making just under $10M this year): Nash 9.7, Lin 8.4, Jennings 8, Bradly 7.2, Calderon 7.1, Hill 8.

For a 24 year old PG with his track record and skills, he is properly paid. He's a better deal than a handful of guys (all the guys I just named), not on as good of a deal as others (Curry, Lawson, Teague, etc), and on a similar contract for similar production with a few other guys (Conley, Rondo, Ellis, etc). Really, there aren't many deals in the NBA that are more proper for a player than Holiday's.

 
I am somewhat surprised to find that Clippers tickets in the middle of the week can be had for 1/3 the price of Lakers tickets on StubHub. Does anyone know if prices go down (or up) as we get closer to the day of the game?

 
The Pelicans have building blocks in Davis and Holiday. Davis is one of the few players with the potential to be THE best on Earth and a young PG who can defend and shoot the 3 ball is valuable.

Everyone else is expendable in order to get the right fit around Davis. Asik mucks up the lane. Anderson spaces the floor, but he's a terrible defender. Evans is too ball dominant and can't shoot. Gordon is just terrible.

Asik and Anderson are useful with Davis (bigs who play both sides of the ball are rare), but they are also the most attractive trade pieces on the team. Like someone mentioned it's the wings that are killing the team..they can't space the floor at all around Davis. The other problem is NO has been impatient and traded away their draft picks the past few years.

The team is an easy fix IMO. Just get a couple of 3&D guys on the perimeter and can Monty. This team needs to be playing at a faster pace (23rd in pace)...Davis, Holiday, Evans are all good rebounders and can lead the break and finish. Asik is a rim protector and glass monster, which provides plenty of opportunities to get out and run.

Like many have said with Davis it'll be hard for NO not to be a contender with just a few tweaks.

 
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Pistons come back and beat the Raptors in Toronto. I still don't even get what is happening.
Brandon Jennings is really the guy driving this turnaround, which is kind of a scary thing because I'm still not a huge fan of him.

Right now the Pistons are just running the whole offense through him. He's had 32.4% usage in January which is crazy high.

It's great that it's working now, but I don't see a team where Brandon Jennings gets to shoot whenever he wants being a contender, and I'm not sure he can play any other way.

But after the 5-23 start, it's still awesome to see something working.

 
I am somewhat surprised to find that Clippers tickets in the middle of the week can be had for 1/3 the price of Lakers tickets on StubHub. Does anyone know if prices go down (or up) as we get closer to the day of the game?
Yes Lakers are still immensely more popular than the Clippers. And now people that could;t afford to go see the Lakers for a number of years because of the high prices are buy ticket to go see them (and Kobe).

Tickets almost always drop over time. Unless you see a great deal I would wait.

 

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