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NCAA HOOPS THREAD! -- K petitions to get Maui Jim Maui Invitational moved to Transylvania (2 Viewers)

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jon_mx said:
I did not see it.  Was he pissed at having to play IU and NC.  It is a pretty ####ty draw for both IU and Kentucky. 
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They asked about playing Indiana and he blew it off. Was upset about his low seed and said the NCAA changes the criteria every year and they screw Kentucky every year. Talked about how he's Italian and has a big nose, talked about Alaska bush people or something, rambled a lot even by his standards.

 
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Buncha bull#### jdjdhdhdhdhd!!!  So UK finishes with same record as A&M on season and beat their ### in conference championship,  and UK gets lower seed.  Djdhdbdjdbdjjdjdnxdjxbdnxbdndb

 
The General said:
They asked about playing Indiana and he blew it off. Was upset about his low seed and said the NCAA changes the criteria every year and they screw Kentucky every year. Talked about how he's Italian and has a big nose, talked about Alaska bush people or something, rambled a lot even by his standards.
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Well the Alaskan Bush people did really got screwed with an 8th seed.  

 
I don't think I've ever said this til now. The committee blew it. Everywhere. In vs. Out. Seeds. Everything.

I'll forget about it when the games start, and there are going to be some great ones, but...kinda salty right now.

 
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If I was MSU, I would be happy.  Not sure anyone else in the big 10 should be happy.  Pretty much hosed, especially IU and Purdue.  Michigan can be semi-happy with just getting in.  They had no chance at going too far anyways.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
West Va going to be the #2 in the East over Villanova so Kansas/WVU could be separated.
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I cant beleive Xavier got the #2 ahead of us

Xavier:RPI - 7SOS - 49Opp SOS - 23Best Win - Villanova (4)Worst loss - Georgetown (106)Sub 100 losses - Georgetown (106), @CreightonAvg RPI of losses - 51Top 50 Wins - USC (48), Dayton (20), Cinci (44), Seton Hall (22), @Providence (38), Providence (38)WVU:RPI - 10SOS - 24Opp SOS - 3Best Win - Kansas (1)Worst Loss - @Flordia (53)Sub 100 losses - noneAvg RPI of losses - 15Top 50 wins - SDSU (42), Kansas (1), @Texas Tech (34), @Iowa State (21), Baylor (25), Iowa State (21), Texas Tech (34), @Baylor (25), Oklahoma (6)Better wins, more Top 50 wins, more Top 100 wins, no bad losses, played a tougher schedule, higher margin of victory
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jon_mx said:
I did not see it.  Was he pissed at having to play IU and NC.  It is a pretty ####ty draw for both IU and Kentucky. 
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Said the committee changes criteria every year.  Said it made no sense to be seeded behind A&M hours after beating them for SEC championship.  Said some regions are weak and others loaded every year.  Said there aren't any basketball people on the committee.  Didn't say it but insinuated it's BS they are in a bracket with Indiana, UNC, and WVU/Xavier.

 
St. Bonaventure got ####### robbed

First team in NCAA history with a top 30 RPI and at least a share of the regular season conference title to not make the NCAAs.

 
Steve Tasker said:
St. Bonaventure got ####### robbed

First team in NCAA history with a top 30 RPI and at least a share of the regular season conference title to not make the NCAAs.
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No excuse for this. Them and Monmouth. I get the other arguments. I don't agree with some, but I get them. These two? No. 

 
jon_mx said:
I did not see it.  Was he pissed at having to play IU and NC.  It is a pretty ####ty draw for both IU and Kentucky. 
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@mikecasazza: Coach Huggins, has Coach Calipari called yet? "Twice." Said Calipari predicted WVU/Kentucky in the same bracket, UK/Indiana at same site.

 
The NCAA is another example of an organization with people in high places who have no clue what they're doing, which is like most of the corporate world. 

 
Love the head of the committee (I think they said Oklahoma AD) and his circular arguments over who is in and who is out.  Talked about how important strength of schedule, but dismissed Monmouth

On Kentucky/Texas AM, he said UK had some losses against teams "that aren't even in the tournament", apparently ignoring the fact that TAMU has about 5 such losses as well.  

 
Moe. said:
Just typical Gottlieb stuff. He said KU has the better team but he knew exactly what he was doing. I love him. 
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KU superfans have an unhealthy fascination with his every word, parsing it to prove an anti-KU bias.  They still bring up the time he checked into a game at Allen with his shorts on backwards.

 
Im thinking the committee loved the idea of matching up the top 2 pressing teams, who are #1 and #2 in forced turnovers, in the country

 
Michigan:RPI: 57Overall Record: 22-12Road/Neutral: 9-8vs. Top 25: 3-7vs. Top 50: 4-11vs. Top 100: 4-12St. Bonaventure:RPI: 30Overall Record: 22-8Road/Neutral: 8-6vs. Top 25: 3-1vs. Top 50: 3-2vs. Top 100: 7-5

 
Prince Myshkin said:
Love the head of the committee (I think they said Oklahoma AD) and his circular arguments over who is in and who is out.  Talked about how important strength of schedule, but dismissed Monmouth
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So apparently the Tulsa AD is very tight with Castiglione and gave him his first job at Mizzou.  Though it would still be surprising to me that they could be that corrupt and also I'm sure a lot of people have worked together.  Still, makes for some good conspiracy theories.

 
Thanks to the leaked bracket, I actually shut off the selection show halfway through and took my dog outside. Total joke.

Can't believe 'Cuse and Tulsa got in over Bonaventure. Absurd.

 
RPI needs to go away and not be a stat used by anyone to determine tournament worthiness.  If the committee is still using it, #### them.  

BPI, kenpom, sagarin, and the like should be the standard.

 
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Michigan:RPI: 57Overall Record: 22-12Road/Neutral: 9-8vs. Top 25: 3-7vs. Top 50: 4-11vs. Top 100: 4-12St. Bonaventure:RPI: 30Overall Record: 22-8Road/Neutral: 8-6vs. Top 25: 3-1vs. Top 50: 3-2vs. Top 100: 7-5
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You realize every loss Michigan had was to a tournament team outside of SMU (a top 20 team with a perfect record before the ban) and OSU on the road.  Really not a single bad loss.  St. Bon had three losses outside the Top 100, Michigan had Zero.  

 
Prince Myshkin said:
Love the head of the committee (I think they said Oklahoma AD) and his circular arguments over who is in and who is out.  Talked about how important strength of schedule, but dismissed Monmouth

On Kentucky/Texas AM, he said UK had some losses against teams "that aren't even in the tournament", apparently ignoring the fact that TAMU has about 5 such losses as well.  
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Idiot

 
St. Mary's was probably the biggest screwjob by the numbers, but I'm glad they're not in because they game the system in their own way by scheduling a cupcake non-conference schedule and then hanging their NCAA hopes on beating Gonzaga.  They beat them 2/3 times this year and still didnt get in.   :lmao:

 
jon_mx said:
You realize every loss Michigan had was to a tournament team outside of SMU (a top 20 team with a perfect record before the ban) and OSU on the road.  Really not a single bad loss.  St. Bon had three losses outside the Top 100, Michigan had Zero.  
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They still only won 4 top 100 games.   25% of them.  There may not have been any "bad" losses but they racked up a lot of losses.

 
Scoresman said:
St. Mary's was probably the biggest screwjob by the numbers, but I'm glad they're not in because they game the system in their own way by scheduling a cupcake non-conference schedule and then hanging their NCAA hopes on beating Gonzaga.  They beat them 2/3 times this year and still didnt get in.   :lmao:
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St mary's beat nobody.  How did they get screwed?  They literally beat Gonzaga twice and that's it.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
St mary's beat nobody.  How did they get screwed?  They literally beat Gonzaga twice and that's it.
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Adjusted rankings by Kenpom and Sagarin, plus BPI have them ranked highly.  And all of those are better indicators than RPI.  

People tend to only look at "who they beat" but that's only part of the equation.  

EDIT: Hell, even their RPI was 41 somehow.

 
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Scoresman said:
Adjusted rankings by Kenpom and Sagarin, plus BPI have them ranked highly.  And all of those are better indicators than RPI.  

People tend to only look at "who they beat" but that's only part of the equation.  
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Get out of the computers and mess.  Who did they beat?  They beat Gonzaga twice.  Split with BYU, who isn't any good.  They beat Stanford who is horrible and Bakersfield that needed a buzzer beater to pull a conference tournament upset.  They literally beat no one.  They didn't get screwed at all.  St Bonaventure and Monmouth got screwed.

 
The problem is the committee can't be saying, "Team X had x number of losses to teams outside the top 100 or top 200 of RPI" or whatever, and then completely ignore the actual RPI number of a team itself.

They bend the criteria to fit their argument. Not the first time it's happened, but this year seems to be the most egregious example(s).

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Get out of the computers and mess.  Who did they beat?  They beat Gonzaga twice.  Split with BYU, who isn't any good.  They beat Stanford who is horrible and Bakersfield that needed a buzzer beater to pull a conference tournament upset.  They literally beat no one.  They didn't get screwed at all.  St Bonaventure and Monmouth got screwed.
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:lmao:   RPI is known to be a terrible measurement.  The various factors that go into these ratings systems are always going to be better than "LULZ, who did they beat" as your only measurement.  

 
KP measures how good a team is per possession, not per game. It's probably a better indicator of what's going to happen, but it doesn't put much stock in who actually wins or loses a game. Which is how we keep score, in the end. According to KP, Wichita St. should be a 3 seed.

 
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