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NCAA HOOPS THREAD! -- K petitions to get Maui Jim Maui Invitational moved to Transylvania (4 Viewers)

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Scoresman said:
I think Duke is incredibly vulnerable to a tournament upset even with Zion. 
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I disagree.  Their weaknesses are clear, but there's good reason only three teams outside the top 10 have been competitive with them this year.  And Zion was knocked out against Florida St with Reddish missing the Syracuse game.  Which leaves Louisville, a road game 3 days after winning at Virginia.  I think the only other semi-exception has been Texas Tech, but watching that game you never really thought Tech could win.  They're an offensively challenged Virginia.  They are strong enough defensively to keep just about any game close, but they don't have enough weapons to actually beat anyone in the top tier barring something out of the ordinary happening on both ends of the court. 

If some combo of Zion, Barrett, and Reddish are out then a lot of teams can beat them.  But if all 3 are playing?  Not likely.  Not before the regional final anyway.  

 
Scoresman said:
I think Duke is incredibly vulnerable to a tournament upset even with Zion. 
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I don't see how you can come up with that take. Have you watched them this year when everyone is healthy? You realize they have more wins against top 25 teams than anyone?? Sure anyone can win in the NCAA tournament, 1 loss and you're done, but they are far less vulnerable than most teams. 

 
MAC_32 said:
I disagree.  Their weaknesses are clear, but there's good reason only three teams outside the top 10 have been competitive with them this year.  And Zion was knocked out against Florida St with Reddish missing the Syracuse game.  Which leaves Louisville, a road game 3 days after winning at Virginia.  I think the only other semi-exception has been Texas Tech, but watching that game you never really thought Tech could win.  They're an offensively challenged Virginia.  They are strong enough defensively to keep just about any game close, but they don't have enough weapons to actually beat anyone in the top tier barring something out of the ordinary happening on both ends of the court. 

If some combo of Zion, Barrett, and Reddish are out then a lot of teams can beat them.  But if all 3 are playing?  Not likely.  Not before the regional final anyway.  
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I mean don't get me wrong, with everyone healthy, they are still the clear favorite IMO with the highest ceiling, but the fact that they are mostly all freshmen with zero previous tournament experience means something.  When they've struggled this year, it's been against experienced teams.  

EDIT: I probably shouldn't have said "incredibly" vulnerable in my OP.  A bit hyperbolic and too hot take-ish in hindsight.

 
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Capella said:
I was watching it and then just got up and walked away. Couldn’t take it anymore 
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I wish i would have. That should have been an awesome game to watch. Importance, OT, etc. 

Instead it was crap. Just god awful crap. Only to be decided by a terrible call and yep, one more trip to the monitor to not even add any time. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
I wish i would have. That should have been an awesome game to watch. Importance, OT, etc. 

Instead it was crap. Just god awful crap. Only to be decided by a terrible call and yep, one more trip to the monitor to not even add any time. 
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What was terrible about the call?  Two guys founded the LSU player.

 
sho nuff said:
What was terrible about the call?  Two guys founded the LSU player.
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It was a terrible call. 99 out of 100 times that call is not made at that stage of the game. He swallowed the whistle at the end of the first half on what was also a foul(against LSU), but that's what you do in that circumstance. You don't call a foul 60 ft from the basket that stems from two guys going after a loose ball that is questionable. He called more fouls than the other two refs combined and 2/3 of those were in favor of LSU.

Lets also talk about how they did not put any extra time on the clock. They said there was going to be 1.4 seconds at end of game, but then left it at .6? 

Obviously mostly using hyperbole as he probably didnt bet on LSU, but when you look at the blown call (different ref) in the LSU-Kentucky game it does start to look a little weird.

Also if the hook at :58 seconds happened in the first half they absolutely would have called that a flagrant due to it being a HUGE area of emphasis this year. I am happy they didnt call it at that stage of the game since I believe it would have meant he got kicked out of the game and would have swung the game a ton.

If you swallow the whistle at important moments for things that are technically fouls but  really shouldn't be called, you have to always swallow the whistle. 

Jeff Anderson irked me earlier in the marquette/providence game because I felt he made three really questionable light contact calls on post defenders in the first half against marquette. However in the second half he made a couple of the exact same calls against providence. Same end of floor when it was his assignment. On a whole I disagree, but at least he was consistent and qty evened out.

I can agree to disagree about the call on Williams, but I will tell you right now you are freaking drunk if you think Turner fouled him too. Look at the overhead replay angles. He might not have even grazed him because Smart spun. 

 
I didnt watch the game, but I saw the highlight. You cannot complain about that call. You can dislike it because no one likes a game to end that way. But you cannot complain about that call. It was a foul. It was two fouls. 

Blame the Tennessee players for being reckless. Dont blame the stripes. 

 
whoever gets the 2nd pick in the nba draft is still getting a hell of a player in Barrett. He was fantastic without Zion and if I heard right broke either the Duke or ACC record for most 20+ point games as a freshman (and I think they said ACC record) 

 
parasaurolophus said:
Lets also talk about how they did not put any extra time on the clock. They said there was going to be 1.4 seconds at end of game, but then left it at .6? 
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I didn't have a problem with the foul call, but this still has me mystified. The ref told the TV announcing crew that the were resetting at 1.4, then they didn't? Tennessee still got a hell of a look on the last shot, though. I thought it was going in.

 
In terms of offensive efficiency, the difference between the #1 team (Gonzaga) vs. the #2 team (Tennessee) is the same as the difference between Tennessee and the number 17 team (Hofstra). 

 
Did we just see the biggest upset of the season in the Virginia Tech-Duke game last night?

Not the result of course, but the fact that ESPN more than once mentioned that Virginia Tech was also without their best and most important player.  Did not see that coming!

 
Indiana is in an interesting situation for an at large. 6 Q1 wins and no Q3 or Q4 losses. Wins against Marquette, Louisville, Michigan State, Wisconsin. 

But they are 14-14 and projected to lose 2 of their remaining 3 games and one more after that assuming they don’t win conference tournament. The committee has let in a few 15 loss teams but never a 16 or 17 loss team. Their NET ranking is right in the mix with other bubble teams but most bracketologists have them just outside the bubble. 

 
Scoresman said:
Indiana is in an interesting situation for an at large. 6 Q1 wins and no Q3 or Q4 losses. Wins against Marquette, Louisville, Michigan State, Wisconsin. 

But they are 14-14 and projected to lose 2 of their remaining 3 games and one more after that assuming they don’t win conference tournament. The committee has let in a few 15 loss teams but never a 16 or 17 loss team. Their NET ranking is right in the mix with other bubble teams but most bracketologists have them just outside the bubble. 
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I think they have to win at least 2 of those 3 or (and?) make a deeper-than-usual run in the conference tournament (which for them means making it to Friday)

 
Scoresman said:
Indiana is in an interesting situation for an at large. 6 Q1 wins and no Q3 or Q4 losses. Wins against Marquette, Louisville, Michigan State, Wisconsin. 

But they are 14-14 and projected to lose 2 of their remaining 3 games and one more after that assuming they don’t win conference tournament. The committee has let in a few 15 loss teams but never a 16 or 17 loss team. Their NET ranking is right in the mix with other bubble teams but most bracketologists have them just outside the bubble. 
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With last night's win they are now 2-12 in their last 14 games.  At minimum, they have to win 2 of the next 3.  Problem is this will actually lead them to a round one Big 10 game that won't move the needle.  Right now they're the 11 or 12 seed, but wins will move them up to a game against Ohio or Minnesota.

So then they need to make it to the title game to get two more noteworthy wins.  And even that only gets them to 19-16 (7-13).  On this bubble, maybe.  But I'd lean no.  I think they need to run the table between now and the tourney final.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Did we just see the biggest upset of the season in the Virginia Tech-Duke game last night?

Not the result of course, but the fact that ESPN more than once mentioned that Virginia Tech was also without their best and most important player.  Did not see that coming!
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Nope. I'd vote that 21 point beat down Louisville gave UNC in Chapel Hill as the biggest upset of the season. Did not see that coming! 

 
ffmail4me said:
Nope. I'd vote that 21 point beat down Louisville gave UNC in Chapel Hill as the biggest upset of the season. Did not see that coming! 
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I'd say whatever game Cal won.  That team is hot garbage.  Random, bottom-half mid-major teams on the road should be favored against them.

 
trader jake said:
It's an epidemic.  The crap the officials review on the monitor, and how often they do so, has gotten completely out of hand.

LSU/TEN & WIS/IND were both complete monitor checking #### shows.  I'd rather have zero at all than this nonsense.
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I hate situations where the replay review actually creates a less equitable call. Like if a ref calls the ball out of bounds on team a. The go to review and you can clearly see the ball was out of bounds on team b, but team a player in reaching for the ball pushes team b player's arm right into the ball. So the original call was actually more "fair". 

Different note, but charge calls have gotten out of hand. The lunge into an area leaning back and planting two feet right in front of a driving defender should be a block. If the defender is going to fall on his back regardless of contact you cant call that a charge. 

 
Capella said:
So Washington is a no if they don’t win the conference tourney?
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They probably should be.  That said, if Washington wins a game in the conference tourney they are probably in regardless.

 
Too early to talk about possible cinderellas?

Obviously some of these teams still have to make the tourney, but fun to talk about them at least. Obviously plenty of smaller schools could make some noise and are already respected. Furman, Wofford, Utah St, Murray St, etc. 

How about a little deeper than that?

Montana- Basically start 3 seniors and two juniors. Have 5 guys that can shoot the three. They are likely in trouble against any athletic size, but could definitely give smaller teams serious trouble.

UC Irvine- Very good defensive team. They dont score a ton, but they at least have pretty even scoring. As in you aren't going to beat them because you shut down one guy. They also play a lot of guys a lot of minutes so they arent likely to get hurt by foul trouble.

Lipscomb and Belmont- These are very interesting teams and they happened to have played each other twice this year out of conference, which I am not sure I have seen before. Belmont won both games which were decided by a combined 6 points. They are 48th and 50th via kenpom. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
Too early to talk about possible cinderellas?

Obviously some of these teams still have to make the tourney, but fun to talk about them at least. Obviously plenty of smaller schools could make some noise and are already respected. Furman, Wofford, Utah St, Murray St, etc. 

How about a little deeper than that?

Montana- Basically start 3 seniors and two juniors. Have 5 guys that can shoot the three. They are likely in trouble against any athletic size, but could definitely give smaller teams serious trouble.

UC Irvine- Very good defensive team. They dont score a ton, but they at least have pretty even scoring. As in you aren't going to beat them because you shut down one guy. They also play a lot of guys a lot of minutes so they arent likely to get hurt by foul trouble.

Lipscomb and Belmont- These are very interesting teams and they happened to have played each other twice this year out of conference, which I am not sure I have seen before. Belmont won both games which were decided by a combined 6 points. They are 48th and 50th via kenpom. 
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Didn’t Belmont beat UNC a while back? Maybe right before Roy returned? 

 
shuke said:
Dude, it's awesome.
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Agreed, but I'm not an ASU fan.

To give on court examples...I also enjoyed watching Manute Bol hoist 3's back in the days, a young Carmelo Anthony ball, and currently I'm awed by how hard Russell Westbrook plays every night...but it doesn't mean I'd want any of those things on my team.  Maybe that's just a distinction without a huge difference?

The curtain thing may be entertaining, but there's definitely something bush league about it.  :getoffmylawn:

 
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