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thevil1

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An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.

After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.

Options

1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.

2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.

3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.

I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!

 
i'd say the owner gets the zero. there's always a risk that a player with a later game doesn't play. when it's a close call, people take the "sure thing" starter all the time.

 
Without a doubt you follow the league rules.

This should not even be an issue.

The question is....Why is there a ruling needed?? Do not do anything.

 
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thevil1 said:
An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.

After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.

Options

1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.

2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.

3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.

I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!
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This decision will prolly only leave one person unhappy.Follow the rules, dude gets a zero.

That's the breaks.

 
thevil1 said:
An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.Options1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!
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He shouldn't get any special treatment, especially since it was known before the Thursday games that Ben had suffered a concussion. He took a chance that he would play, and he got burned. He could have/should have made sure he had an insurance policy before the Thursday game.
 
Agree the owner should get 0 pts but I would seriously consider changing the rule next season to accommodate this kind of situation.

 
I say you take Ben's points from last week, divide by Eli's current points and multiply by whoever the top WW pick is in your league. Then add that to the average of your league's starting QBs. Subtract the projected points that Ben would have had and take the result and multiply it by ZERO.

 
gotta stick with the rules bro this guy new his situation and he got risky bergs gona play anyway so its prolly all good NOT

 
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I was in a similar situation with Ben and Romo as my QBs. In my league, you can't drop a player who has already played that week. To be safe, I dropped Romo for the best WW option just in case Ben couldn't go. Looks like he should have thought it through a little better. He'll know next time!

 
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.

F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.

 
Sounds like this owner is being a tool. He should take it like a champ and understand that stuff like this happens all the time.

 
I'm lost are roster moves such as adds/drops the same as changing your lineup in your league? I think the rule needs to be rewritten next season to only include your FA not people already on the roster. As it is the dude takes a 0 and gets to piss and moan about a horrible rule.

 
montana_grizzly_bears said:
I'm lost are roster moves such as adds/drops the same as changing your lineup in your league? I think the rule needs to be rewritten next season to only include your FA not people already on the roster. As it is the dude takes a 0 and gets to piss and moan about a horrible rule.
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We allow just one add/drop per week after week 11. He can change his linup all he wants. The rule is clearly stated and we have played under it for 5 years. The problem is that his backup QB has already played and he already made a pickup this week so he can't make another. He's wants to be able to pick up someone else.
 
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thevil1 said:
montana_grizzly_bears said:
I'm lost are roster moves such as adds/drops the same as changing your lineup in your league? I think the rule needs to be rewritten next season to only include your FA not people already on the roster. As it is the dude takes a 0 and gets to piss and moan about a horrible rule.
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We allow just one add/drop per week after week 11. He can change his linup all he wants. The rule is clearly stated and we have played under it for 5 years. The problem is that his backup QB has already played and he already made a pickup this week so he can't make another. He's wants to be able to pick up someone else.
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I want Adriana Lima in my bed tonight but it ain't happening. Tell him he can pick up someone else. Next week.ETA--AMAZED I'm the first to tell you to show him this: :thumbup:

 
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Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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That rule isn't even good at doing what is intended to do,.
 
thevil1 said:
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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Isn't improving your team and stopping other teams from improving theirs the purpose of the WW/FA? This isn't a maybe it's stupid....It is stupid.
 
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The fact this was posted is a little scary.

Swap in Eli. *LOL*

We feel bad for an owner, can we bend the rules for him? Seriously.

 
Doovz said:
thevil1 said:
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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Isn't improving your team and stopping other teams from improving theirs the purpose of the WW/FA? This isn't a maybe it's stupid....It is stupid.
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The idea is that owners have 11 weeks to make all the moves they want and to set up their teams for the playoffs. We wanted to reward the better drafts and the owners who made good moves during the regular season. We didn't want to reward the guy who didn't plan ahead and went 6-7 and picked up 6 guys the last week and won the league. Anyway, that's a moot point at the moment... but I appreciate all the input!
 
I'm a commish in a league, and it never ceases to amaze me when people clearly know the rules, don't follow them, then try to argue them when the rules go against them.

This guy is S.O.L.

 
thevil1 said:
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.

F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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Good rationale. The last thing you'd want is a team with a mediocre record trying to improve themselves and make the playoffs. Allow that and these folks will think they should always be active and try to win. What kind of league would that be?
 
This is the most ridiculous commish thread I've ever seen here.

What if instead of a Thursday game, the Giants played at 1:00? Would this still be up for discussion in your league?

 
thevil1 said:
An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.Options1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!
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Stick to your rules.In the future implement a depth chart for this exact reason. It is the best new rule we put into our leagues. If a player is not the NFL.com did not play/inactive list, the next person who plays on your depth chart gets inserted. It is absurd that we have to listen to what is going on at 12:55 in order to fill our lineups. While this isn;t real football, if you have a guy on your bench, you would surely play him.
 
Liquid Tension said:
thevil1 said:
An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.Options1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!
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Stick to your rules.In the future implement a depth chart for this exact reason. It is the best new rule we put into our leagues. If a player is not the NFL.com did not play/inactive list, the next person who plays on your depth chart gets inserted. It is absurd that we have to listen to what is going on at 12:55 in order to fill our lineups. While this isn;t real football, if you have a guy on your bench, you would surely play him.
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Disagree..Big Ben has been ???? all week. That being the case the guy should have played Manning to cover his team.
 
That's one thing I don't like about MFL. I think it should lock out the players that have played their games and leave the others on waivers until the 1p games start.

 
BobbyLayne said:
thevil1 said:
An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.

After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.

Options

1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.

2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.

3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.

I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!
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This decision will prolly only leave one person unhappy.Follow the rules, dude gets a zero.

That's the breaks.
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Depending on who the guy was playing there may be others unhappy due to playoff implications. If thats the case I would be hellapissed at that owner. Nothing the commish should do though, the owner screwed up and has to live with it. My league runs waivers on Wednesday and you are tough outta luck if you miss out. I am thinking about changing that next year since we have had a couple of instances of people having something come up on Wednesday and not getting them in. Until then they are tough outta luck.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
thevil1 said:
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.

F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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Good rationale. The last thing you'd want is a team with a mediocre record trying to improve themselves and make the playoffs. Allow that and these folks will think they should always be active and try to win. What kind of league would that be?
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:mellow: I can see having a rule that says once your team is mathematically eliminated you cant make waiver wire moves but why make it hard for the team scraping and clawing for that last playoff spot ? Isnt that what you would WANT to see as commish? Last year we had one team that had horrible issues with injuries and I have never been so proud of an owner as I was this guy who fought it to the bitter end. Lesser guys would have either given up or made a half assed effort there.

 
Liquid Tension said:
thevil1 said:
An owner in my league has Ben Rothlisberger. His backup is Eli Manning and he has no other QB on his roster. Obviously, Manning has played and normally couldn't be started after his game has been played.After Week 11 my league allows only one waiver transaction per week and the owner already made his move on a different player on Wednesday.Options1. Follow the rules and the owner is S.O.L.2. Allow the owner to use Eli's points.3. Allow the owner another waiver pickup.I know no matter what I rule it will raise a stink with someone, but I want some opinions to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks!
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Stick to your rules.In the future implement a depth chart for this exact reason. It is the best new rule we put into our leagues. If a player is not the NFL.com did not play/inactive list, the next person who plays on your depth chart gets inserted. It is absurd that we have to listen to what is going on at 12:55 in order to fill our lineups. While this isn;t real football, if you have a guy on your bench, you would surely play him.
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we use a depth chart and i love it. build a team with depth, start your best player, if he does not play at all #2 gets in. You can still get stuck if soeone plays one or two plays and then sits, but overall it is a much better method IMO
 
thevil1 said:
Doovz said:
thevil1 said:
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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Isn't improving your team and stopping other teams from improving theirs the purpose of the WW/FA? This isn't a maybe it's stupid....It is stupid.
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The idea is that owners have 11 weeks to make all the moves they want and to set up their teams for the playoffs. We wanted to reward the better drafts and the owners who made good moves during the regular season. We didn't want to reward the guy who didn't plan ahead and went 6-7 and picked up 6 guys the last week and won the league. Anyway, that's a moot point at the moment... but I appreciate all the input!
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Why allow waiver moves at all in that case? ;)
 
KyleBasa said:
I was in a similar situation with Ben and Romo as my QBs. In my league, you can't drop a player who has already played that week. To be safe, I dropped Romo for the best WW option just in case Ben couldn't go. Looks like he should have thought it through a little better. He'll know next time!
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So you dropped Romo for who? Tough break in not just starting Romo (300 yds & 2 TD's) over Big Ben
 
thevil1 said:
Doovz said:
thevil1 said:
Thanks for the help, everyone. That is the decision I went with. We do have a dispute clause in our rules and he wants to put it to a vote if he can get another owner to back him up.F.Y.I. The one waiver rule pickup per week at the end of the year and playoffs is meant to keep the mediocre teams/owners from scooping up all the best backups and making a playoff run or from blocking other teams from certain players. It's meant to help mitigate the luck factor for a team and put more emphasis on the total season body of work. Maybe it's stupid, I don't know. I'm sure it will get reviewed now.
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Isn't improving your team and stopping other teams from improving theirs the purpose of the WW/FA? This isn't a maybe it's stupid....It is stupid.
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The idea is that owners have 11 weeks to make all the moves they want and to set up their teams for the playoffs. We wanted to reward the better drafts and the owners who made good moves during the regular season. We didn't want to reward the guy who didn't plan ahead and went 6-7 and picked up 6 guys the last week and won the league. Anyway, that's a moot point at the moment... but I appreciate all the input!
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if a guy somehow manages to pick up 6-7 guys and is actually able to dorp 6-7 guys ( i mean how many bench sports are there!??!) then he/she deserves to win.......if you want to mitigate guys picking up/dropping tons of players each week, charge them a 1 time cost per free agency/wavier wire transaction, and when things dont work out, there's just more money added to the pot for everyone.
 
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