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Need some advice for writing my novel
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trogg78
Footballguy
There are some dangerous copywrite criminals at that halfway house. He has to protect his intellectual property before he can have any.
If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.
If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premise
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
How long will it take you to write it? How many pages are we talking about?
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Here's an idea that is viable and that will sell, MC... you compile the autobiographies, in short story form, of the most colorful of FBGs, and publish that.Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premise
What's the premise?Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premise
timschochet
Footballguy
If this is true, then stop now. Yes you may get EXTREMELY lucky, but most likely you are wasting your time no matter how good your idea might be.Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premise
Things that are super-short, like 2,500 words or less, even if they're priced ultra-cheap, tend to draw poor reviews and customer ire whether they're forewarned or not.
Serials with ~10,000 word installments do just dandy.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
Well, its supposed to be a series. Each volume touching on a particular event in the overral arcIm thinking around 300. Pretty standard for a sci fi or fantasy book
Around 300 pages per volume I meant
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timschochet
Footballguy
Also, if writing it is a chore for you, then reading it will be an even bigger one.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
Why? Just because im not writing it for pleasure doesnt mean I wont be good at it. Ive never tried to write a book before so maybe I will enjoy it more than I think.If this is true, then stop now. Yes you may get EXTREMELY lucky, but most likely you are wasting your time no matter how good your idea might be.Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premiseIf you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I was always praised for writing such original short stories in school and I can also tell a story visually. This is just a different mediium.
I will enjoy at least getting it out there and see the reaction.
Not all artists enjoy what they do. Some are just naturally compelled to create.
Writing a 300 page book while I have the time on my hands isnt taking anything away from me.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Tim wasn't successful so he's discouraging you. If he couldn't succeed, naturally you won't either. I usually don't mind Tim but he's way off base here.Why? Just because im not writing it for pleasure doesnt mean I wont be good at it. Ive never tried to write a book before so maybe I will enjoy it more than I think.If this is true, then stop now. Yes you may get EXTREMELY lucky, but most likely you are wasting your time no matter how good your idea might be.Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premiseIf you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I was always praised for writing such original short stories in school and I can also tell a story visually. This is just a different mediium.
I will enjoy at least getting it out there and see the reaction.
Not all artists enjoy what they do. Some are just naturally compelled to create.
Writing a 300 page book while I have the time on my hands isnt taking anything away from me.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
If you dont try new things you wont find out if you like them. Ive never played golf, but I may love golf
Maybe this will grow on me. Its telling a story withn words instead of pictures.
Maybe this will grow on me. Its telling a story withn words instead of pictures.
timschochet
Footballguy
No that's not it. I hope he does succeed; honestly I do. But he should enjoy what he's doing. If he doesn't enjoy it it's not worth it.Tim wasn't successful so he's discouraging you. If he couldn't succeed, naturally you won't either. I usually don't mind Tim but he's way off base here.Why? Just because im not writing it for pleasure doesnt mean I wont be good at it. Ive never tried to write a book before so maybe I will enjoy it more than I think.I was always praised for writing such original short stories in school and I can also tell a story visually. This is just a different mediium.If this is true, then stop now. Yes you may get EXTREMELY lucky, but most likely you are wasting your time no matter how good your idea might be.Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premiseIf you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I will enjoy at least getting it out there and see the reaction.
Not all artists enjoy what they do. Some are just naturally compelled to create.
Writing a 300 page book while I have the time on my hands isnt taking anything away from me.
Seriously, though, DO use apostrophes and such. If you're not at least a B+ communicator, in both your for-publication work and your social media promotion, you're going to turn people off instantly.
timschochet
Footballguy
Then maybe you will enjoy it. I hope so.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
Of course I know how to use punctuation, I just dont feel like slowing down while im posting on a message board.
You cant judge my ability by MS board posts. I surprised you guys with my drawing ability and ill probably surprise you with this. Plenty of excellent artists and writers who were completely nuts and socially awkward.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
I was expecting more encouragement because if im writing a book I cant post on here much.
scoobus
Footballguy
Nice try!What's the premise?Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premise
SeaDogStat
Footballguy
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
If I tell you guys a very basic outline of the premise how do I protect myself? Email tje the outline to myself first?
doowain
Footballguy
Guys....my recently finished spanish sci-fi novel "la Superficie" was just made available to download for $0.99 from iTunes and on Kindle. You can also find the english versions there. I plan to make this a series, so I hope you like it.
ETA: You can PM Jamney for the promo code to get it for free.
ETA: You can PM Jamney for the promo code to get it for free.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
parent at my son's school quit his desk job and did this.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.
If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
the guy is a boob/dong and a hack, and he attacked this from a purely mercenary standpoint. as opposed to MC (so far) he starting cranking stuff out (self-publishing) and threw it out there to see what stuck to the Amazon hot-charts. self-promotes a ton (not sure how... wish I did to so I could pass on to MC) found a niche in Great Britain with spy novels IIRC, and just keeps pumping them out. enough to not have to go back to a desk job for now.
Deputy67
Footballguy
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
Al O'Pecia
Footballguy
One can't necessarily accurately judge your ability to write based on posts. But don't fall into the trap of thinking people can't, or more to the point, won't judge AND dismiss you as a writer based on any random sampling of anything you've written. Anywhere. Ever.
Comes with the territory, I'm afraid. Doesn't have to be fair or accurate. But if you mean to be serious about it, start getting those ducks in a row, is all I'm saying.
Nice try!What's the premise?Im not doing this for pleasure. Its to make money. I dont want to waste time writing til I know if its viable. The entire story is in my head and putting it on paper is just a chore.If you want to write the best book you're capable of, because writing is in your soul, and then see if you can get other people interested in it, then yes.If the real goal is first and foremost to make money, then no. You definitely want to understand the market and the promotion strategies before you waste a lot of time writing a magnum opus that nobody in the world will be interested in.
Lots of good writers out there who wrote the Great American Novel only to have their mom and nobody else buy it. Lots of mediocre ones willing to crank out passable smut or zombies who are making a killing because they saw where the grass was green and figured out how to communicate with their audience.
The current state of publishing is absolutely detrimental to the creation of great art. But it's never been easier to make a living at it.
I hope there is a market for such an original sci fi premise
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Before starting make sure you locate the fire exit. The spell check on your computer is going to overheat and probably explode.
sports_fan
Footballguy
Oh, I see.MC Gas Money said:
So, this is a total misconception on the behalf of first time writers.
First, and I repeat this from earlier: nobody wants to steal your book. This is because you've never sold one of your books. People want to steal something of value. And value is based on how many you've sold.
Second, and this is probably WAY more important. Fiction writing isn't a competitive marketplace. It's a cooperative one. People who like a story about whatever concept are EXPONENTIALLY more likely to buy a story about exactly the same concept a second time, so long as it's not out-and-out plagiarism. Do you have any idea how many times Harry Potter has been retold AND placed on the Amazon best-sellers lists? Dozens. Any idea how many times it's been retold and made a tidy profit? Hundreds? Thousands?
Two writers can take the same plot, the same premise, the same character sketches, and the same fictional world, and not only will they end up with two totally different books...but, those two books will appeal very strongly to the same buyer, even after he's already read one or the other. Niche buying only reinforces more niche buying.
Not only do you not care if somebody steals your idea -- you want somebody to steal your idea. Then, you want that somebody to be ten times the writer you are, and to sell it to some big Hollywood studio and make a billion dollars off of it. Because if that happens, way, way, way more people are going to be interested in your similar book, no matter how seemingly close they are. Do you think William Gibson is angry that Neal Stephenson and whoever wrote the screenplay for The Matrix came along? #### no. He's delighted. Because as a result, he's sold about a million more copies of Neuromancer than he ever would have otherwise.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
As I wrote before, mailing yourself something or emailing yourself something in no way goes anywhere for copyright protection. Tim bought into an urban legend. Feel free to follow it if it makes you feel better, but it does nothing for you.
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
The premise
In about 100 years earth is close to being destroyed until a very large and resource rich asteroid mysteriously enters the solar system and takes orbit around the sun.
The humans transplant themselves to the asteroid and heal the earth using it to maximum efficiency for food, air and water. Only a small population of workers and "nature warden" live and work on earth. The wardens use nanotechnology to control things like weather and are basically superheroes .
Nanotechnology is forbidden on the asteroid.
Now several hundred years later the asteroid has turned in to a totalitarian society where everyone has to work for even things like oxygen. The elites who control things have massive stockpiles of air, watet, etc
Aliens arrive to take these resources. Turns out they planted humans on earth thousands of years ago and even sent the asteroid all along manipulating man in to doing their work of collecting resources and also basically removing themselves from earth. They do it all over the galaxy.
The humans fight and win with the help of the nanobot infused wardens that the elites lose control of. They liberate themselves from the aliens and the elites.
In about 100 years earth is close to being destroyed until a very large and resource rich asteroid mysteriously enters the solar system and takes orbit around the sun.
The humans transplant themselves to the asteroid and heal the earth using it to maximum efficiency for food, air and water. Only a small population of workers and "nature warden" live and work on earth. The wardens use nanotechnology to control things like weather and are basically superheroes .
Nanotechnology is forbidden on the asteroid.
Now several hundred years later the asteroid has turned in to a totalitarian society where everyone has to work for even things like oxygen. The elites who control things have massive stockpiles of air, watet, etc
Aliens arrive to take these resources. Turns out they planted humans on earth thousands of years ago and even sent the asteroid all along manipulating man in to doing their work of collecting resources and also basically removing themselves from earth. They do it all over the galaxy.
The humans fight and win with the help of the nanobot infused wardens that the elites lose control of. They liberate themselves from the aliens and the elites.
trogg78
Footballguy
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
I would but there are so many little details in the story im planning that it would be too massive of a comic book
Zow
Footballguy
Do you honestly think someone on here is going to take your idea and start pumping out 300+ page volumes?
ETA: Never mind, I see that you didn't. Not a bad premise either IMO. I'd be interested in that story.
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MC Gas Money
Footballguy
It doesnt jump all over the place. The prologue explains what happened on earth and with the asteroid then the main story takes place almost 1000 years from today.
I took that to mean they planted some among the ones already here. Maybe I took it wrong.
As an editor, I advise you to chuck the prologue in the trash and start the story where the story starts.
Al O'Pecia
Footballguy
Have you considered writing under the pseudonym MC. Ron Hubbard?
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
I have to explain how things got this way. I was going to use a device in between certain chapters as excerpts from an old historians writings that have been long forbidden by the elites. That will explain some of the backstory.
Maybe its difficult to convey what im thinking
Zow
Footballguy
MC Gas Money
Footballguy
No they created humans and helped guide them to doing the work gathering resources for themI took that to mean they planted some among the ones already here. Maybe I took it wrong.
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