Need some advice (1 Viewer)

[tbone911t]

A bit of background:

League has been around 13 years. 10 owners. Keep 2 players every year. Haven't had any turn over since we started protecting players, 8 years ago. We had an owner pass away during last season and another move away this spring. We now need to find 2 replacements. No problem. What is the fairest way to let them in? One team is very strong and has Manning and LJ as keepers. Some of the other owners think they should get a shot at these guys if some new owner is going to. Would it be best to throw all the players from any teams which want to be involved in a "supplemental draft" back and then just have a mini draft for the new teams and any of the exisiting who want to participate? Thanks in advance for any thoughts!!

 

[Spike]

I'd suggest the "supplemental draft" idea. Let the two new owners draft from the pool of players from both teams. This gives them the benefit of choosing their own keepers AND letting them possibly trade players from what would then be their "team".

A last item would be to pool the draft picks for each team as a group and allow that package of picks to be a selection in the draft.

 

[sizzer55]

i think i might understand your situation but i'm not totally sure. so are you saying that any of the 8 old teams can choose to participate in the supplemental draft instead of keeping players? can they keep one player and only be in one round of the supplemental draft? do you have this option every year or are you just considering doing it with two new teams?

i'll try to answer but my answer might be irrelevant without knowing the answers to my questions? personally, i like the idea in every keeper league that people should be given the option to be in a supplemental draft if they don't like their keepers. it prevents teams from starting the season behind an 8-ball, but it also somewhat defeats the purpose of a keeper league i suppose but i hate keeper leagues in general anyway.

i would be all for allowing everyone to get in the supplemental draft that chooses and then draw for draft order and draft until they all have 2 players and then redraw for the rest of the draft with all the teams.

 

[fsufan]

I run 2 dynasty leagues. Last year I had to replace 2 owners. I let the first replacement owner pick his team from the 2 open teams.

Tell the other owners who are #####ing to draft better.

 

[sizzer55]

the supplemental draft i was referring to would be that everyone that wanted to would declare their keepers and then everyone else would be available in the supp. draft.

i'm sure some would argue 'why even have a keeper league?' if you do as i suggest but i think it's fair because everyone gets to choose if they want to keep their guys or not. i would even let them keep just one guy if they wanted and then would pick their second guy in the second round of the supp. draft.

 

[tbone911t]

Would everyone be available in the supplemental draft or only players released from teams participating in the draft? Either way I'm not a big fan but I do agree with the point that one owner makes that it's not really "fair" for a new guy to have Manning and LJ while his keepers are thin due to Barber's retirement.

 

[fsufan]

Would everyone be available in the supplemental draft or only players released from teams participating in the draft? Either way I'm not a big fan but I do agree with the point that one owner makes that it's not really "fair" for a new guy to have Manning and LJ while his keepers are thin due to Barber's retirement.

I think this is part of keeper and dynasty formatI have been a commish for 10 year and I have learned not to make rule changes just because a few owners think something is not fair.

 

[tbone911t]

Would everyone be available in the supplemental draft or only players released from teams participating in the draft? Either way I'm not a big fan but I do agree with the point that one owner makes that it's not really "fair" for a new guy to have Manning and LJ while his keepers are thin due to Barber's retirement.

I think this is part of keeper and dynasty formatI have been a commish for 10 year and I have learned not to make rule changes just because a few owners think something is not fair.

You do not agree to some degree that a guy in the league 10 years paying his $200 a year should at least have the same opportunity to get a couple of the top players as a brand new owner? I see your point but see his as well.

 

[slayer666]

Tell the other owners who are #####ing to draft better.

 

[poopdawg]

Would the owners still be #####ing if the team had Thomas Jones and Lendale White (random) as its best keepers? I dont think so. There is a problem because the team has good keepers, but the team should be kept intact and left for a new owner, however lucky the SOB might be.

 

[fsufan]

Would everyone be available in the supplemental draft or only players released from teams participating in the draft? Either way I'm not a big fan but I do agree with the point that one owner makes that it's not really "fair" for a new guy to have Manning and LJ while his keepers are thin due to Barber's retirement.

I think this is part of keeper and dynasty formatI have been a commish for 10 year and I have learned not to make rule changes just because a few owners think something is not fair.

You do not agree to some degree that a guy in the league 10 years paying his $200 a year should at least have the same opportunity to get a couple of the top players as a brand new owner? I see your point but see his as well.

No, like I said it is part of the dynasty and keeper format. If it is allow now, what happens when other studs retire, like LT, Manning. A good keeper/dynasty owner drafts for now and the future

 

[KING]

first of all. it's only 2 keepers. how much of a draft can you have. if anything, you combine both teams, and just have the 2 new owners draft. that way, the 2 new owners are coming in on equal footing.

if the other 8 can't manage their own teams, thats their problem. it's only 2 keepers, it's not rocket science. he didn't know tiki would be retiring? there are a ton of sites that give player info such as age, and how long they have been playing. maybe he should use these tools in managing his team. where was he, when tiki announced he waqs going to retire?

 

[Pickle Rody]

I'm sorry one of your guys passed away, that is a shame. I hope I never have to deal with that in my leagues, that must have been tough.

The solution is real easy. Two new members draw out of a hat to see who gets to choose one team first. The other new member gets the remaining team.

There should absolutely be no "tossing" of players out for everyone to try to get. These guys have been in this league for eight years or more you said. Why have they not put together better teams by now? You only keep 2, so it can't be that hard in a ten team league to draft a quality team and add better keepers to their squads. There are rookies every year which warrant keeping the following year, no? (Reggie Bush?) I know you only have 20 total players being protected, so that leaves a ton of quality players out there to draft. The older members of your league are just upset that they did not draft these players when they had the chance and are now trying to see if they can somehow come away with stealing them.

Tell your fellow owners that the teams will be given to the two new members "as is" and if they want one of the players on their rosters they should try to acquire them through trade, like everyone else. If it were me, I'd be lurking like a shark waiting to jump on one of the guppies.

 

[PMENFAN]

I'm sorry one of your guys passed away, that is a shame. I hope I never have to deal with that in my leagues, that must have been tough.The solution is real easy. Two new members draw out of a hat to see who gets to choose one team first. The other new member gets the remaining team.There should absolutely be no "tossing" of players out for everyone to try to get. These guys have been in this league for eight years or more you said. Why have they not put together better teams by now? You only keep 2, so it can't be that hard in a ten team league to draft a quality team and add better keepers to their squads. There are rookies every year which warrant keeping the following year, no? (Reggie Bush?) I know you only have 20 total players being protected, so that leaves a ton of quality players out there to draft. The older members of your league are just upset that they did not draft these players when they had the chance and are now trying to see if they can somehow come away with stealing them.Tell your fellow owners that the teams will be given to the two new members "as is" and if they want one of the players on their rosters they should try to acquire them through trade, like everyone else. If it were me, I'd be lurking like a shark waiting to jump on one of the guppies.

Exactly as I see it. The new owners are buying a team. You don't hear the NFL owners asking for fire sales of NFL franchise players when franchises sell do you? It's because you buy into the whole team, not the team after the rest of the league picks over the carcass. To me, it's always been self explainatory. the team sells as is, under the existing rules

 

[Zoomanji]

Would everyone be available in the supplemental draft or only players released from teams participating in the draft? Either way I'm not a big fan but I do agree with the point that one owner makes that it's not really "fair" for a new guy to have Manning and LJ while his keepers are thin due to Barber's retirement.

I think this is part of keeper and dynasty formatI have been a commish for 10 year and I have learned not to make rule changes just because a few owners think something is not fair.

You do not agree to some degree that a guy in the league 10 years paying his $200 a year should at least have the same opportunity to get a couple of the top players as a brand new owner? I see your point but see his as well.

I see his point and it's an immature one. "Why should the new guy get a team better than mine"? Answer- because your best player retired and you didn't draft any one to replace him. The fact that he has been paying $200 for 10 year has no relavance whatsoever to the issue. None.Its only 2 keepers he should suck it up and quit crying.

I don't like the supplemental draft at all but what if he was allowed to take one of the vacated teams? I had 2 owners in my keeper league trade their entire teams on off-season

 

[ShadowMaster]

Get your two owners to draw straws for first pick of the 2 open squads......

From there - they can declare their two keepers like everyone else

 

[BLOX]

I think the answer is obvious. Tell the league that they either start over with a new clean slate, or let the new guys have the abandoned teams to select their keepers from.

Then put it up to a vote and be done with it.

 

[GregR_2]

I think the answer is obvious. Tell the league that they either start over with a new clean slate, or let the new guys have the abandoned teams to select their keepers from.Then put it up to a vote and be done with it.

I agree. Your league is trying to bend over the new owners just because they are new. That's a great way to welcome people to a league. At least by doing so if the new owners have any sense they can realize if your league will screw them this time, they are likely to screw them again if another matter comes up where they have an opportunity to do so. When's the last time that an NFL team changed ownership and the other teams in the NFL got to go raid their roster for talent?Very bush league. As commish you need to stand up for ALL your owners, not just the ones who were in the league the longest. The other owners had a chance to acquire those players in the draft or via trade same as the teams who got them did. Just because ownership of a team changes shouldn't mean it's an opportunity for other teams to pillage those team's rosters.Either do a complete redraft or recognize the purely selfish way in which the league is acting and put a stop to it to fulfill your obligation to all your owners and not just the old ones.