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Nest Protect (Smoke alarm/CO2 detector) (1 Viewer)

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Anyone here have the Nest thermostat? I haven't gotten that yet because our thermostats are hooked into the home automation system I set up when we moved in, but from what I've read, I'd really love to switch over.

That said, I today had delivered 2 of the Nest Protect smoke alarm/CO2 units. Totally awesome. They setup in a flash -- the design and attention to detail in these things is great. It was high time to replace our 40 year old smoke detectors, and I'm glad we did. Pretty cool the way they set up online etc., and the different units talk to each other over your wifi network. The Android app is nice too.

So far we have one in our downstairs main area and one in our upstairs hallway -- I read something that suggests you're supposed to have one in every single bedroom too (seriously???), but that seems a bit overkill. Our house isn't huge, and it's a pretty open layout, so a fire anywhere is likely to trip off both of our detectors. I think we're good.

In any event, highly recommend. Great product, impressive company, looking forward to whatever they come out with next.

 
I don't see the point. I sort of get the Nest thermostat, but why do my smoke/CO detectors need to be on wifi? I have 6 detectors in my house and since they're all on the same circuit they all go off if one goes off. What other possible functionality is there to justify paying nearly $100 more per detector?

 
Abraham said:
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
What do these do that a regular detector doesn't? Serious question.
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Plenty. It's a really cool invention. You can wave the detector to shut off. It will tell you when the batteries are running low with an email. Things that are convenient.
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The waving is great I guess, but I'd rather it just not give me false alarms.

And is it really that tough to remember to change batteries every time you change the clocks? Seems like a huge premium for some pretty small bells and whistles.

 
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.

 
GroveDiesel said:
I don't see the point. I sort of get the Nest thermostat, but why do my smoke/CO detectors need to be on wifi? I have 6 detectors in my house and since they're all on the same circuit they all go off if one goes off. What other possible functionality is there to justify paying nearly $100 more per detector?
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See Abe's comment above.

It monitors the batteries and will shoot you an e-mail when they're running low. Peace of mind there. I always wondered if these ancient things in my house were working.

When they go off because you burned the meatloaf, you can wave your hand at it, and it will silence.

They talk. It's a lot more useful than something that just beeps at you. More info.

They talk to one another and know where each other are located. So if there's a CO2 condition in your downstairs den, they'll all speak that there is a CO2 condition in the downstairs den. Etc.

You can check the status from your iPhone app or the web.

It will send a message to your phone if ever there is an alarm condition.

All pretty useful stuff. :shrug: I spend $100 on dumber things all the time.

 
Mr. Pickles said:
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.
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See all the features above. Not sure what makes you think they're either overengineered or ridiculously expensive. I think they're actually really well designed, a piece of cake to setup and use, and the interfaces on everything, from the units themselves to the web and app interfaces, are all wonderfully done.

They're doing a killer job. Great company.

 
:lmao: OVERKILL MUCH :lmao: I can wave at my 15 year old detectors and they stop also :shrug: If you want to know if your old ones are working hit the test button

FYI

Well, here is the text from the 2007 Residential Code of New York State:

[F] R313.1 Smoke alarms. Smoke alarms shall be installed in the following locations:

1. In each sleeping room.
2. Outside each separate sleeping area in the immediate vicinity of the bedrooms.
3. On each additional story of the dwelling, including basements but not including crawl spaces and uninhabitable attics.
In dwellings or dwelling units with split levels and without an intervening door between the adjacent levels, a smoke alarm installed on the upper level shall suffice for the adjacent lower level provided that the lower level is less than one full story below the upper level.
When more than one smoke alarm is required to be installed within an individual dwelling unit the alarm devices shall be interconnected in such a manner that the actuation of one alarm will activate all of the alarms in the individual unit. The alarm shall be clearly audible in all bedrooms over background noise levels with all intervening doors closed.
Exception: Interconnection is not required where smoke alarms are permitted to be battery operated in accordance with Section R313.1.2 .
All smoke alarms shall be listed and installed in accordance with the provisions of this code and the household fire warning equipment provisions of NFPA 72.
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belljr said:
:lmao: OVERKILL MUCH :lmao:

FYI

Well, here is the text from the 2007 Residential Code of New York State:

[F] R313.1 Smoke alarms. Smoke alarms shall be installed in the following locations:

1. In each sleeping room.
2. Outside each separate sleeping area in the immediate vicinity of the bedrooms.
3. On each additional story of the dwelling, including basements but not including crawl spaces and uninhabitable attics.
In dwellings or dwelling units with split levels and without an intervening door between the adjacent levels, a smoke alarm installed on the upper level shall suffice for the adjacent lower level provided that the lower level is less than one full story below the upper level.
When more than one smoke alarm is required to be installed within an individual dwelling unit the alarm devices shall be interconnected in such a manner that the actuation of one alarm will activate all of the alarms in the individual unit. The alarm shall be clearly audible in all bedrooms over background noise levels with all intervening doors closed.
Exception: Interconnection is not required where smoke alarms are permitted to be battery operated in accordance with Section R313.1.2 .
All smoke alarms shall be listed and installed in accordance with the provisions of this code and the household fire warning equipment provisions of NFPA 72.
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Yeah exactly, that's what I read today and I was thinking about where I should put them. Pretty ridiculous.

 
I'm usually up for new technology, but I don't see a single benefit (to me) over my current hard wired detectors. They beep if the battery gets low, which opposed to an email, I can't ignore or put off.

The other features do nothing to further my interest.

 
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I hate returning from vacation and it's 2am after a long drive and one is beeping from a low battery and there are no 9 volts in the house and I have to go get the ladder to get it down and oh yeah it's the one in the room over here no that's not it it's the one in the next room over with the 12 foot ceiling and the ladder won't reach and I just want to go to bed...

I love the idea of these things.

 
I will get one if the low battery emails include a funny cat picture or some life hacks

 
Abraham said:
I hate returning from vacation and it's 2am after a long drive and one is beeping from a low battery and there are no 9 volts in the house and I have to go get the ladder to get it down and oh yeah it's the one in the room over here no that's not it it's the one in the next room over with the 12 foot ceiling and the ladder won't reach and I just want to go to bed...

I love the idea of these things.
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Tell the truth - how many times has this happened? Once?

 
Otis said:
GroveDiesel said:
I don't see the point. I sort of get the Nest thermostat, but why do my smoke/CO detectors need to be on wifi? I have 6 detectors in my house and since they're all on the same circuit they all go off if one goes off. What other possible functionality is there to justify paying nearly $100 more per detector?
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See Abe's comment above.

It monitors the batteries and will shoot you an e-mail when they're running low. Peace of mind there. I always wondered if these ancient things in my house were working.

When they go off because you burned the meatloaf, you can wave your hand at it, and it will silence.

They talk. It's a lot more useful than something that just beeps at you. More info.

They talk to one another and know where each other are located. So if there's a CO2 condition in your downstairs den, they'll all speak that there is a CO2 condition in the downstairs den. Etc.

You can check the status from your iPhone app or the web.

It will send a message to your phone if ever there is an alarm condition.

All pretty useful stuff. :shrug: I spend $100 on dumber things all the time.
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Why would you EVER check the status of your smoke alarm from your iPhone app?

 
Mr. Pickles said:
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.
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The thermostat is legit. I've had it for ~ 6 months, and it's fantastic. I regularly turn the HVAC on from my phone. And the fact that it turns itself down/off when I'm away and saves energy is a great feature that actually adds value. And it looks awesome.

Nest Protect is a joke at $129. I pre-ordered one b/c I'm such a fan of the thermostat and I'm a sucker for gadgets. I've had it a week, and by far the best feature is the motion activated nightlight that comes on in the hallway when you're grabbing a late night snack.

These things should be ~ $65-$70.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Mr. Pickles said:
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.
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The thermostat is legit. I've had it for ~ 6 months, and it's fantastic. I regularly turn the HVAC on from my phone. And the fact that it turns itself down/off when I'm away and saves energy is a great feature that actually adds value. And it looks awesome.

Nest Protect is a joke at $129. I pre-ordered one b/c I'm such a fan of the thermostat and I'm a sucker for gadgets. I've had it a week, and by far the best feature is the motion activated nightlight that comes on in the hallway when you're grabbing a late night snack.

These things should be ~ $65-$70.
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I've had a difficult history with Nest. I like the idea that they are re-imagining things to make them more intelligent and usable, but it just seems like extreme overengineering and nearly laughable cost. Most people can probably save energy with a simple programmable thermostat that just avoids spending money when you're at work. Is it really necessary to have learning functions, motion sensors, and wi-fi? Maybe I get it if your life is completely erratic and you live somewhere with massive temperature swings, but it's hard to believe that someone living in San Diego is reaping huge rewards with this thing other than the cool factor. It looks nice. That's great.

Okay, so Nest built a neato thermostat, but where does this company go from there? CO monitors.. and then? I already feel like the well is getting pretty dry. My buddy's Facebook feed overruns with how great Nest (DJ events! Food! Light shows!) is and how massive the company is getting in a short time, but although they're are borne out of Apple, this isn't Apple. They're a cooler, much smaller version of.. Honeywell.

 
Mr. Pickles said:
tommyGunZ said:
Mr. Pickles said:
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.
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The thermostat is legit. I've had it for ~ 6 months, and it's fantastic. I regularly turn the HVAC on from my phone. And the fact that it turns itself down/off when I'm away and saves energy is a great feature that actually adds value. And it looks awesome.

Nest Protect is a joke at $129. I pre-ordered one b/c I'm such a fan of the thermostat and I'm a sucker for gadgets. I've had it a week, and by far the best feature is the motion activated nightlight that comes on in the hallway when you're grabbing a late night snack.

These things should be ~ $65-$70.
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I've had a difficult history with Nest. I like the idea that they are re-imagining things to make them more intelligent and usable, but it just seems like extreme overengineering and nearly laughable cost. Most people can probably save energy with a simple programmable thermostat that just avoids spending money when you're at work. Is it really necessary to have learning functions, motion sensors, and wi-fi? Maybe I get it if your life is completely erratic and you live somewhere with massive temperature swings, but it's hard to believe that someone living in San Diego is reaping huge rewards with this thing other than the cool factor. It looks nice. That's great.

Okay, so Nest built a neato thermostat, but where does this company go from there? CO monitors.. and then? I already feel like the well is getting pretty dry. My buddy's Facebook feed overruns with how great Nest (DJ events! Food! Light shows!) is and how massive the company is getting in a short time, but although they're are borne out of Apple, this isn't Apple. They're a cooler, much smaller version of.. Honeywell.
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What's the difficult history?

Why not use the tech available to make things better? For lots of folks $120 isn't an outrageous cost for a long term purchase for the home.

And what's next? Could be anything. They're reimagining an entire home control system one unit at a time, and designing them better and making them light years easier to use. Next up could be lighting control, motion sensing, security, appliance control, energy metering and monitoring, door controls, and on and on.

:shrug:

Not sure why you're so anti all this.

 
Mr. Pickles said:
tommyGunZ said:
Mr. Pickles said:
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.
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The thermostat is legit. I've had it for ~ 6 months, and it's fantastic. I regularly turn the HVAC on from my phone. And the fact that it turns itself down/off when I'm away and saves energy is a great feature that actually adds value. And it looks awesome.

Nest Protect is a joke at $129. I pre-ordered one b/c I'm such a fan of the thermostat and I'm a sucker for gadgets. I've had it a week, and by far the best feature is the motion activated nightlight that comes on in the hallway when you're grabbing a late night snack.

These things should be ~ $65-$70.
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I've had a difficult history with Nest. I like the idea that they are re-imagining things to make them more intelligent and usable, but it just seems like extreme overengineering and nearly laughable cost. Most people can probably save energy with a simple programmable thermostat that just avoids spending money when you're at work. Is it really necessary to have learning functions, motion sensors, and wi-fi? Maybe I get it if your life is completely erratic and you live somewhere with massive temperature swings, but it's hard to believe that someone living in San Diego is reaping huge rewards with this thing other than the cool factor. It looks nice. That's great.

Okay, so Nest built a neato thermostat, but where does this company go from there? CO monitors.. and then? I already feel like the well is getting pretty dry. My buddy's Facebook feed overruns with how great Nest (DJ events! Food! Light shows!) is and how massive the company is getting in a short time, but although they're are borne out of Apple, this isn't Apple. They're a cooler, much smaller version of.. Honeywell.
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What's the difficult history?

Why not use the tech available to make things better? For lots of folks $120 isn't an outrageous cost for a long term purchase for the home.

And what's next? Could be anything. They're reimagining an entire home control system one unit at a time, and designing them better and making them light years easier to use. Next up could be lighting control, motion sensing, security, appliance control, energy metering and monitoring, door controls, and on and on.

:shrug:

Not sure why you're so anti all this.

 
Abraham said:
I hate returning from vacation and it's 2am after a long drive and one is beeping from a low battery and there are no 9 volts in the house and I have to go get the ladder to get it down and oh yeah it's the one in the room over here no that's not it it's the one in the next room over with the 12 foot ceiling and the ladder won't reach and I just want to go to bed...

I love the idea of these things.
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So does it change it's own battery then? Seems like you would still have this problem but instead of beeping at you it would send you an e-mail, which you would delete or ignore, and then you would go to bed at 2 a.m. after that long drive home from vacation and totally forget about it, putting your family at risk of a fire breaking out because, in your weariness and sleep deprived state, you failed to extinguish your cigarette completely before maybe falling asleep on the sofa instead while catching the last minutes of the west coast NBA game or maybe that black and white 1950s movie. I'd rather have the peace of mind of an annoying beep from the 12-foot ceiling than tossing and turning all night from guilt because I totally ignored my family's safety for the convenience of an e-mail. For the money you save on going with the cheaper smoke detector, you can afford to keep a few extra 9-volt batteries in the house and buy a taller ladder. Maybe even a fiberglass one, because at 2:15 a.m. who wants to lug around a heavy ladder.

 
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KingPrawn said:
Abraham said:
I hate returning from vacation and it's 2am after a long drive and one is beeping from a low battery and there are no 9 volts in the house and I have to go get the ladder to get it down and oh yeah it's the one in the room over here no that's not it it's the one in the next room over with the 12 foot ceiling and the ladder won't reach and I just want to go to bed...

I love the idea of these things.
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So does it change it's own battery then? Seems like you would still have this problem but instead of beeping at you it would send you an e-mail, which you would delete or ignore, and then you would go to bed at 2 a.m. after that long drive home from vacation and totally forget about it, putting your family at risk of a fire breaking out because, in your weariness and sleep deprived state, you failed to extinguish your cigarette completely before maybe falling asleep on the sofa instead while catching the last minutes of the west coast NBA game or maybe that black and white 1950s movie. I'd rather have the peace of mind of an annoying beep from the 12-foot ceiling than tossing and turning all night from guilt because I totally ignored my family's safety for the convenience of an e-mail. For the money you save on going with the cheaper smoke detector, you can afford to keep a few extra 9-volt batteries in the house and buy a taller ladder. Maybe even a fiberglass one, because at 2:15 a.m. who wants to lug around a heavy ladder.
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:lmao: One night without one of his smoke detectors live... I think Abe'll be ok.

 
Otis said:
Anyone here have the Nest thermostat? I haven't gotten that yet because our thermostats are hooked into the home automation system I set up when we moved in, but from what I've read, I'd really love to switch over.

That said, I today had delivered 2 of the Nest Protect smoke alarm/CO2 units. Totally awesome. They setup in a flash -- the design and attention to detail in these things is great. It was high time to replace our 40 year old smoke detectors, and I'm glad we did. Pretty cool the way they set up online etc., and the different units talk to each other over your wifi network. The Android app is nice too.

So far we have one in our downstairs main area and one in our upstairs hallway -- I read something that suggests you're supposed to have one in every single bedroom too (seriously???), but that seems a bit overkill. Our house isn't huge, and it's a pretty open layout, so a fire anywhere is likely to trip off both of our detectors. I think we're good.

In any event, highly recommend. Great product, impressive company, looking forward to whatever they come out with next.
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You have fallen so hard from your prior FFA heights.

 
Otis said:
Mr. Pickles said:
tommyGunZ said:
Mr. Pickles said:
A good buddy of mine works for Nest. He is a former Apple guy who went off on his own for a while and then ended up at Nest. They make some neat products.

That said, they seem to be overengineered vanity pieces and ridiculously expensive.
Click to expand...
The thermostat is legit. I've had it for ~ 6 months, and it's fantastic. I regularly turn the HVAC on from my phone. And the fact that it turns itself down/off when I'm away and saves energy is a great feature that actually adds value. And it looks awesome.

Nest Protect is a joke at $129. I pre-ordered one b/c I'm such a fan of the thermostat and I'm a sucker for gadgets. I've had it a week, and by far the best feature is the motion activated nightlight that comes on in the hallway when you're grabbing a late night snack.

These things should be ~ $65-$70.
Click to expand...
I've had a difficult history with Nest. I like the idea that they are re-imagining things to make them more intelligent and usable, but it just seems like extreme overengineering and nearly laughable cost. Most people can probably save energy with a simple programmable thermostat that just avoids spending money when you're at work. Is it really necessary to have learning functions, motion sensors, and wi-fi? Maybe I get it if your life is completely erratic and you live somewhere with massive temperature swings, but it's hard to believe that someone living in San Diego is reaping huge rewards with this thing other than the cool factor. It looks nice. That's great.

Okay, so Nest built a neato thermostat, but where does this company go from there? CO monitors.. and then? I already feel like the well is getting pretty dry. My buddy's Facebook feed overruns with how great Nest (DJ events! Food! Light shows!) is and how massive the company is getting in a short time, but although they're are borne out of Apple, this isn't Apple. They're a cooler, much smaller version of.. Honeywell.
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What's the difficult history?

Why not use the tech available to make things better? For lots of folks $120 isn't an outrageous cost for a long term purchase for the home.

And what's next? Could be anything. They're reimagining an entire home control system one unit at a time, and designing them better and making them light years easier to use. Next up could be lighting control, motion sensing, security, appliance control, energy metering and monitoring, door controls, and on and on.

:shrug:

Not sure why you're so anti all this.
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I agree with all but the bolded. After tax, these things are $140, not $120. And to fully take advantage of the technology, you need one in every room. To effectively replace all the smoke alarms in my house I would need to buy 6 more, meaning for the full 7 I'd be in for $980. On smoke alarms. That's just silly. Nest has to bring the price point down on these - the value is not there.

Otherwise, your post is spot on. Home automation is hot right now and Nest is a fantastic company. I would LOVE for them to get into locks next, as even the newest solutions are not ideal.

 
These things, as well as their thermostats look cool as ####, but man, too pricey.

I don't even know what the benefits of a programmable thermostat are? I wake up in the morning, turn the heat on to 69. I leave the house, I turn it back down to 59. :shrug:

 
I thought I read something about the Nest smoke alarms learning as well, like they will learn how to not overreact to cooking.

 
one cool and useful benefit, although not near worth the price IMO, is that the nest co detector and nest thermostat communicate. So if the CO detector senses high CO levels, it will tell the thermostat and the thermostat can shut down the furnace.

 
gmbacm said:
one cool and useful benefit, although not near worth the price IMO, is that the nest co detector and nest thermostat communicate. So if the CO detector senses high CO levels, it will tell the thermostat and the thermostat can shut down the furnace.
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Go back to sleep honey. Nest has it covered.

 
Shrugs said:
I thought I read something about the Nest smoke alarms learning as well, like they will learn how to not overreact to cooking.
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instead of investing in one of these people should just invest in cooking classes and stop burning s***

 
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Abraham said:
I hate returning from vacation and it's 2am after a long drive and one is beeping from a low battery and there are no 9 volts in the house and I have to go get the ladder to get it down and oh yeah it's the one in the room over here no that's not it it's the one in the next room over with the 12 foot ceiling and the ladder won't reach and I just want to go to bed...

I love the idea of these things.
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Worth it just for this reason.

 
I have a Nest and love it. Don't see much value in the Nest smokie though.

 
Are there any FFA posters who recommend this thing that haven't proven repeatedly in the past that they don't always make the best financial decisions?

 
avoiding injuries said:
I'm usually up for new technology, but I don't see a single benefit (to me) over my current hard wired detectors. They beep if the battery gets low, which opposed to an email, I can't ignore or put off.

The other features do nothing to further my interest.
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I'm with you. If you do not have your smoke detectors wired in, then maybe it would be more useful. I also do not have gas, so don't need a CO detector.

 
Changed the battery on my regular smoke alarm after it beeped tonight. Barely made it through those 2 minutes. /sarcasm

 
MCguidance said:
I'd like to see them create a better garage opener.
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I wish my dumb garage door would just be smart enough to know when I am home. I am getting sick of having to press a single button when I am in my car. As a matter of fact I am also getting sick of driving. Any news on the progress of google self driving cars?

 
I had to buy 10 smoke detectors because they change every 10 years or so with the connection types. I can't imagine how quickly the ones that are connected via WiFi have to change. I was not happy in shelling out $300 for the 10 that I bought, never mind having to spend 4 times that much. :shrug:

 
A buddy of mine is working at a startup doing similar things to Nest. It's backed by some execs at Microsoft and former Motorola.

So home automation/efficiency may end up being Google vs. Microsoft in a few years.

 
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