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New England at NY Jets (1 Viewer)

Kilgore said:
Little help for us non-viewers here. What was the call?
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called a Patriots defensive lineman for pushing his own teammate forward through the pile of players.

4-7-NE 38(7:17) N.Folk 56 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-T.Purdum, Holder-R.Quigley. PENALTY on NE-Chr. Jones, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at NE 38 - No Play.

 
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Kilgore said:
Little help for us non-viewers here. What was the call?
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Jets kicking a field goal, missed.

Late flag, apparently a new rule added this year - during a field goal attempt a defender can not push teamate into the pile to disrupt the line.

Apparently, you can only line up one on one on field goals now.

 
If I were one of these ####lies from... where was that guy from last week?.... I would be crying bloody murder because of that call. But hey... that's the way the ball bounces. If & when we get into the playoffs, it's a whole new season, anyhow.

 
All you anti-NE posters....I'm sure you're fine with that call if made against your team, right? Sure...that's what I thought.

 
Ouch. That stings.

I feel ZERO pity for the Pats, Belichick, and their fans. They have gotten so many breaks from the officials through the years that the karma on the way back around is going to hurt.

Well Patriots fan, That's what being a BIlls fan the past 15 years has felt like... :lol:

 
Pats player making a push to block the kick pushed his own man into the pile in the scrum to block the kick. New rule considers that unsportsmanlike conduct. Instead of 1st and 10 Pats at their own 44, it became 1st and 10 NYJ at NE 22.

 
smapdi said:
Ouch. That stings.

I feel ZERO pity for the Pats, Belichick, and their fans. They have gotten so many breaks from the officials through the years that the karma on the way back around is going to hurt.

Well Patriots fan, That's what being a BIlls fan the past 15 years has felt like... :lol:
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+8,234,567

 
Pats fan here - thought the call was good. I don't believe in not calling something just because its near the end of the game. Not like we haven't been the beneficiaries of many of those in the past.

Good win by the Jets.

 
Run It Up said:
Hoss Style said:
Run It Up said:
This is on level with them blowing that call 3 weeks ago and then handing them back the challenge because their equipment wasn't working...
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Except this is an actual rule. Not called often, but a rule. Just sayin...
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First time ever called you mean, since it was added this year.
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I can't watch as much this year, but I thought I saw one earlier. I think there are few things you can do to get that Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty. I haven't checked the updated rulebook this year, though.

 
New NFL rules: Overloading line restriction will protect linemen

By Bill Bradley, contributing editor

Editor's note: This is a closer look at one of four player health and safety-related rules that are new to this NFL season, which begins Thursday.

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

How it would impact player health and safety: "They will no longer permit defense rush players, Team B players, to push their teammates through the gaps and overload. This proposal also creates a situation where the snapper now becomes a defenseless player and he gets helmet-to-helmet protection." -- St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher.

What players are saying about it: "I had a game, we played the Bengals ... and I had two guys over me and two guys behind them pushing, so it was basically four-on-one. My foot slipped, and I actually went down and did a split and pulled a hamstring. I'm like, 'Man, this is ridiculous.' Like, it's literally impossible to hold up that much force. I emailed (NFLPA executive director) DeMaurice Smith and got the ball rolling with that." -- Washington Redskins center Will Montgomery.
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Edit to add: Interesting that from the quote in the last paragraph, it was the NFLPA that instigated the change.

 
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Kilgore said:
Little help for us non-viewers here. What was the call?
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Jets missed a FG but the officials called the Patriots a penalty for one of their players pushing another into the offensive line. You're not allowed to do that this season on kicks.

 
One of the strangest calls ive seen. Ive watched it in slo-mo a half dozen times and i still can't see anything wrong. He got behind one of his own guys but it looked more like a stunt than anything. The pile didn't even move.

 
Kilgore said:
Little help for us non-viewers here. What was the call?
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Some ticky-ticky rule against pushing your own player during a FG attempt. It was designed to prevent two defenders from lining up and running over one of the blockers, which was not what was happening. Honestly it looked like one of the two defenders picked the wrong gap to try and penetrate, which just clogged up the lane for the other guy -- no real advantage at all.

 
Bad_Mo said:
All you anti-NE posters....I'm sure you're fine with that call if made against your team, right? Sure...that's what I thought.
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Some of us just enjoy seeing NE on the receiving end of one of these calls for a change.

 
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Patriots got tuck ruled. It sucks to be on this end of it, but oh well. It'll be discussed for a while, just like the Golden Tate "touchdown" against Green Bay, or so many other plays over the years. This one was a little more out of left field than the others, and it seems like it's entirely a judgement call by the refs when to call it, but such is life. Good game plan by Rex and good play by the Jets.

 
captain_amazing said:
Pats fan here - thought the call was good. I don't believe in not calling something just because its near the end of the game. Not like we haven't been the beneficiaries of many of those in the past.

Good win by the Jets.
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Totally agree. I cannot stand when they put their whistles/flags away on decisive drives. If it was a penalty in the 1st quarter, you better call it on the last drive. This is a huge problem in hockey as well towards the end of the game... can pretty much get away with anything

 
sporthenry said:
mad sweeney said:
Arschloch said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
You can't call that. Period
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Why not? Sounds like it's in the rulebook.
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If not when the game is on the line, then when? It's a new penalty, gotta call something that is that blatant, especially when the game is on the line.
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It wasn't that blatant. So if you get stuck behind your own player on a stunt, you can't do anything?
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It was completely blatant. The ref that threw the flag was standing directly behind him. I don't know the specifics of the rule, so I don't know the answer other to that question other than I now know that you can't push the guy in front of you.

 
Greg Russell said:
New NFL rules: Overloading line restriction will protect linemen

By Bill Bradley, contributing editor

Editor's note: This is a closer look at one of four player health and safety-related rules that are new to this NFL season, which begins Thursday.

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.
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Edit to add: Interesting that from the quote in the last paragraph, it was the NFLPA that instigated the change.
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OK, I need to look at the replay again, but I thought both players were on the line of scrimmage. One of them just ran a stunt or something.

 
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Niles Standish said:
mad sweeney said:
Arschloch said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
You can't call that. Period
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Why not? Sounds like it's in the rulebook.
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If not when the game is on the line, then when? It's a new penalty, gotta call something that is that blatant, especially when the game is on the line.
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Really no difference between this and the Tuck Rule except it was a smaller stage today. Rules are rules whether or not they happen much.
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Nah, the tuck rule made sense because it's impossible to know the QB's intent between trying to pump or throw the ball. This is just some ticky tack rule for safety

 
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mad sweeney said:
sporthenry said:
mad sweeney said:
Arschloch said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
You can't call that. Period
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Why not? Sounds like it's in the rulebook.
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If not when the game is on the line, then when? It's a new penalty, gotta call something that is that blatant, especially when the game is on the line.
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It wasn't that blatant. So if you get stuck behind your own player on a stunt, you can't do anything?
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It was completely blatant. The ref that threw the flag was standing directly behind him. I don't know the specifics of the rule, so I don't know the answer other to that question other than I now know that you can't push the guy in front of you.
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So you don't know the rules but you know it was a penalty?

 
What I posted was from an article. Though if the wording in the article is right, it says players not on the line at the snap can't push. I thought Jone was on the line, so maybe it wasn't correctly called if so.

Would like to see the actual rule's wording, but haven't seen a 2013 rules PDF yet.

 
Greg Russell said:
New NFL rules: Overloading line restriction will protect linemen

By Bill Bradley, contributing editor

Editor's note: This is a closer look at one of four player health and safety-related rules that are new to this NFL season, which begins Thursday.

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

How it would impact player health and safety: "They will no longer permit defense rush players, Team B players, to push their teammates through the gaps and overload. This proposal also creates a situation where the snapper now becomes a defenseless player and he gets helmet-to-helmet protection." -- St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher.

What players are saying about it: "I had a game, we played the Bengals ... and I had two guys over me and two guys behind them pushing, so it was basically four-on-one. My foot slipped, and I actually went down and did a split and pulled a hamstring. I'm like, 'Man, this is ridiculous.' Like, it's literally impossible to hold up that much force. I emailed (NFLPA executive director) DeMaurice Smith and got the ball rolling with that." -- Washington Redskins center Will Montgomery.
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Edit to add: Interesting that from the quote in the last paragraph, it was the NFLPA that instigated the change.
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Could you link to this website or article? Looks interesting. I'd like to give it a look. TIA.

 
I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

 
Mello said:
Niles Standish said:
mad sweeney said:
Arschloch said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
You can't call that. Period
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Why not? Sounds like it's in the rulebook.
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If not when the game is on the line, then when? It's a new penalty, gotta call something that is that blatant, especially when the game is on the line.
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Really no difference between this and the Tuck Rule except it was a smaller stage today. Rules are rules whether or not they happen much.
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Nah, the tuck rule made sense because it's impossible to know the QB's intent between trying to pump or throw the ball. This is just some ticky tack rule for safety
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It's a rule, tricky-tack or not.

If the tuck rule was right this is right. If the tuck rule was wrong this was wrong. You can't have it both ways.

 
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