New England at NY Jets (1 Viewer)

[TLEF316]

So awesome. suck it Billy

I'm surprised they made the call, but it was the right call. Also, I don't think Hill pushed off on what should have been his TD reception.

I thought he pushed off a little bit, but McCourty did a little bit of an acting job.

 

[johnnycakes]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Fwiw, I am a Pats fan I don't have any problem with the call.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Who the hell is saying that?

 

[GregR]

New NFL rules: Overloading line restriction will protect linemen

By Bill Bradley, contributing editor

Editor's note: This is a closer look at one of four player health and safety-related rules that are new to this NFL season, which begins Thursday.

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

How it would impact player health and safety: "They will no longer permit defense rush players, Team B players, to push their teammates through the gaps and overload. This proposal also creates a situation where the snapper now becomes a defenseless player and he gets helmet-to-helmet protection." -- St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher.

What players are saying about it: "I had a game, we played the Bengals ... and I had two guys over me and two guys behind them pushing, so it was basically four-on-one. My foot slipped, and I actually went down and did a split and pulled a hamstring. I'm like, 'Man, this is ridiculous.' Like, it's literally impossible to hold up that much force. I emailed (NFLPA executive director) DeMaurice Smith and got the ball rolling with that." -- Washington Redskins center Will Montgomery.

Edit to add: Interesting that from the quote in the last paragraph, it was the NFLPA that instigated the change.

Could you link to this website or article? Looks interesting. I'd like to give it a look. TIA.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000237712/article/new-nfl-rules-overloading-line-restriction-will-protect-linemen

 

[mad sweeney]

You can't call that. Period

Why not? Sounds like it's in the rulebook.

If not when the game is on the line, then when? It's a new penalty, gotta call something that is that blatant, especially when the game is on the line.

It wasn't that blatant. So if you get stuck behind your own player on a stunt, you can't do anything?

It was completely blatant. The ref that threw the flag was standing directly behind him. I don't know the specifics of the rule, so I don't know the answer other to that question other than I now know that you can't push the guy in front of you.

So you don't know the rules but you know it was a penalty?

I don't know all the specifics of it, but I do know what they just explained on TV.

 

[johnnycakes]

New NFL rules: Overloading line restriction will protect linemen

By Bill Bradley, contributing editor

Editor's note: This is a closer look at one of four player health and safety-related rules that are new to this NFL season, which begins Thursday.

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

How it would impact player health and safety: "They will no longer permit defense rush players, Team B players, to push their teammates through the gaps and overload. This proposal also creates a situation where the snapper now becomes a defenseless player and he gets helmet-to-helmet protection." -- St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher.

What players are saying about it: "I had a game, we played the Bengals ... and I had two guys over me and two guys behind them pushing, so it was basically four-on-one. My foot slipped, and I actually went down and did a split and pulled a hamstring. I'm like, 'Man, this is ridiculous.' Like, it's literally impossible to hold up that much force. I emailed (NFLPA executive director) DeMaurice Smith and got the ball rolling with that." -- Washington Redskins center Will Montgomery.

Edit to add: Interesting that from the quote in the last paragraph, it was the NFLPA that instigated the change.

Could you link to this website or article? Looks interesting. I'd like to give it a look. TIA.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000237712/article/new-nfl-rules-overloading-line-restriction-will-protect-linemen

All the more reason why those Wonderlick test scores will be of interest to NFL recruiters. Gotta play smart these days... the Patriots player just learned a lesson. It'll only hurt him if he does it again.

 

[Mello]

I'm not fan of either team. No problem with the call. Just wish people would get upset in general about rules like this being implemented in the first place. Every one of these rules for safety being put in place will cost your team a game at some point. And the refs aren't very good at using their discretion to decide what's truly unsafe.

 

[sporthenry]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Not a Pats fan. I think its ridiculous that this is when they make it a point of emphasis. So it never happened in the preseason? You can't just change the enforcement all of a sudden. I'd venture to guess this happened most of the game and judging by the NFL sending out a memo this week, it has happened most of the year. Call it on a PAT and let them know you are looking for it when it means very little.

 

[MarshallRob]

New NFL rules: Overloading line restriction will protect linemen

By Bill Bradley, contributing editor

Editor's note: This is a closer look at one of four player health and safety-related rules that are new to this NFL season, which begins Thursday.

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: During a field-goal attempt or a try kick: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot.

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

How it would impact player health and safety: "They will no longer permit defense rush players, Team B players, to push their teammates through the gaps and overload. This proposal also creates a situation where the snapper now becomes a defenseless player and he gets helmet-to-helmet protection." -- St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher.

What players are saying about it: "I had a game, we played the Bengals ... and I had two guys over me and two guys behind them pushing, so it was basically four-on-one. My foot slipped, and I actually went down and did a split and pulled a hamstring. I'm like, 'Man, this is ridiculous.' Like, it's literally impossible to hold up that much force. I emailed (NFLPA executive director) DeMaurice Smith and got the ball rolling with that." -- Washington Redskins center Will Montgomery.

Edit to add: Interesting that from the quote in the last paragraph, it was the NFLPA that instigated the change.

Good find. Thanks.

 

[adamjw2]

Why is it a 15 yard penalty though? The rule seems pretty stupid, but making it 15 yards takes it to a new level.

Totally agree with this.

 

[Workhorse]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

 

[smapdi]

Why is it a 15 yard penalty though? The rule seems pretty stupid, but making it 15 yards takes it to a new level.

Totally agree with this.

It seems a little severe but I think their reasoning behind is that it's "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" and every other Unsportsmanlike conduct call is a personal foul which is 15 yards. They put in for player safety so that's probably their line of thinking

 

[dickey moe]

Probably one of your more subjective penalties. Sucks that it affected the outcome of the game.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

I guess their coaching staff should work harder at preparing them to play by the current rules. I thought the Patriots coaches were famed as having the team ready for anything?

 

[Niles Standish]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

So I guess we should wait 12 years and see how this gets called in the future before commenting? Because the tuck rule was called a first time too.

 

[Workhorse]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

So I guess we should wait 12 years and see how this gets called in the future before commenting? Because the tuck rule was called a first time too.

Did you even read the post you just quoted?

 

[renesauz]

It was asked in the thread...I never saw the game...WHAT HAPPENED TO POWELL??????

 

[GregR]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

Per Pereira, the officials weekly training tape from last week included examples of the penalty from this year that hadn't been called, so the refs would start calling it properly.

 

[Workhorse]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

Per Pereira, the officials weekly training tape from last week included examples of the penalty from this year that hadn't been called, so the refs would start calling it properly.

According to Belichick in his press conference, the rule applies only to the second level (ie linebackers and defensive backs playing off the line). Not only has it never been called before, it appears that they misapplied the rule since Jones was on the line.

 

[mad sweeney]

Probably one of your more subjective penalties. Sucks that it affected the outcome of the game.

How is it subjective?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

Per Pereira, the officials weekly training tape from last week included examples of the penalty from this year that hadn't been called, so the refs would start calling it properly.

According to Belichick in his press conference, the rule applies only to the second level (ie linebackers and defensive backs playing off the line). Not only has it never been called before, it appears that they misapplied the rule since Jones was on the line.

Was just going to post it, the rule posted in big red letters specifically states its only a 15 yard penalty when the player NOT ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE pushes, 94 is Chris Jones who plays DT.

Bull#### call.

 

[Gravity]

Didn't they make that rule because that's how Gronk got hurt? Rich irony here.

 

[pizzatyme]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

Is that how football works?

 

[pizzatyme]

Didn't they make that rule because that's how Gronk got hurt? Rich irony here.

No, Gronk got hurt because he was in the game on a PAT during a blowout.

 

[pizzatyme]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

Is that how football works?

No, that's how karma works.

 

[SameSongNDance]

The fix is in.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Why is it a 15 yard penalty though? The rule seems pretty stupid, but making it 15 yards takes it to a new level.

Ridiculous...should be a 5 yard penalty at best. Automatic first down...yeah, OK.

Not even 5 yards, that is for illegal formation.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

Is that how football works?

No, that's how karma works.

Oh like magic?

 

[GregR]

Like I said, we need to withhold some judgment until we have the actual wording in the rulebook. For exactly this reason, because the article writer introduced something that the rule doesn't have apparently.

Per Pereira at http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mike-pereira-new-penalty-ruling-during-new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-gme-102013

It makes no difference where you are originally lined up - Rule 9-1-3, the new rule, says "Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation." That’s exactly what happened in this play.

So it doesn't matter that the pusher was lined up on the line. That part was the article writer's misunderstanding/misstatement/whatever.

Whch is good, I mean if the reason to have the rule is that the strength of two players against one causes injuries, then you need to outlaw that act. Not only outlaw it for people who start off the line.

 

[xtreme11]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

Per Pereira, the officials weekly training tape from last week included examples of the penalty from this year that hadn't been called, so the refs would start calling it properly.

According to Belichick in his press conference, the rule applies only to the second level (ie linebackers and defensive backs playing off the line). Not only has it never been called before, it appears that they misapplied the rule since Jones was on the line.

Was just going to post it, the rule posted in big red letters specifically states its only a 15 yard penalty when the player NOT ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE pushes, 94 is Chris Jones who plays DT.

Bull#### call.

Well looks like Bill does't know the rule correctly then

The rule, adopted for 2013 and codified at Rule 9, Section 1, Article 3, subsection (b)(2), states that the defensive team on a kick from scrimmage “cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/20/belichick-disagrees-with-rule-that-gave-jets-overtime-field-goal-mulligan/

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

Is that how football works?

No, that's how karma works.

Oh like magic?

like religion.

 

[Witz]

2 ugly overthrows by Brady on that last regulation possession contributed to this loss. Ouch.

The Jets wouldn't have even been within a possible comeback if it weren't for the drops (mostly Dobson).

If only this or that didn't happen throughout the game, this or that wouldn't have been the result.

Actually, it wasn't the drops that did you guys in - it was the fact that NE came out flat after half-time and let the Jets rattle off 17 straight unanswered points to take the lead.

The Jets were better than the Pats in almost all areas of the game today. To say otherwise would just not be truthful.

 

[pizzatyme]

Geno>>>>>>>Bradie

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Why is it a 15 yard penalty though? The rule seems pretty stupid, but making it 15 yards takes it to a new level.

Ridiculous...should be a 5 yard penalty at best. Automatic first down...yeah, OK.

Not even 5 yards, that is for illegal formation.

Should it be a 1 yard penalty?

 

[Bad_Mo]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

Red Sox in the World Series...Yankmees have been off for several months now. You talkin' karma, bro?

 

[pizzatyme]

This makes up for the blatant no-call on the holding during the winning play last weekend. Karma...

Red Sox in the World Series...Yankmees have been off for several months now. You talkin' karma, bro?

Wrong sport, sport.

 

[Run It Up]

2 ugly overthrows by Brady on that last regulation possession contributed to this loss. Ouch.

The Jets wouldn't have even been within a possible comeback if it weren't for the drops (mostly Dobson).

If only this or that didn't happen throughout the game, this or that wouldn't have been the result.

Actually, it wasn't the drops that did you guys in - it was the fact that NE came out flat after half-time and let the Jets rattle off 17 straight unanswered points to take the lead.

The Jets were better than the Pats in almost all areas of the game today. To say otherwise would just not be truthful.

Yeah I wonder how it would have been possible for the Jets to come back when it was literally impossible to convert a 3rd down due to drops...

 

[INRIhab]

2 ugly overthrows by Brady on that last regulation possession contributed to this loss. Ouch.

The Jets wouldn't have even been within a possible comeback if it weren't for the drops (mostly Dobson).

If only this or that didn't happen throughout the game, this or that wouldn't have been the result.

Actually, it wasn't the drops that did you guys in - it was the fact that NE came out flat after half-time and let the Jets rattle off 17 straight unanswered points to take the lead.

The Jets were better than the Pats in almost all areas of the game today. To say otherwise would just not be truthful.

Yeah I wonder how it would have been possible for the Jets to come back when it was literally impossible to convert a 3rd down due to drops...

The Pats receivers have been dropping balls for a while now. Either they're not being coached properly to improve these mistakes, or they're simply not good. Either way, it doesn't matter. Some players show up on Sundays, and others don't.

Saying "The Jets wouldn't have even been within a possible comeback if it weren't for [the Patriots' poor play]" is just a ridiculous comment, regardless of whatever calls occur during the game.

 

[GregR]

By the way, they edited that NFL.com story to contain the text from the rulebook.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

It's funny the revisionist history being bandied about. I've heard several Pat's fans make this claim, but every time I've asked for an example, no one has been able to come up with anything. If you have anything you can link us to, please feel free to provide.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Fwiw, I am a Pats fan I don't have any problem with the call.

The tuck rule call was BS and so was this call. Of course a Pats fan can't complain. For 10 years you guys have been trying to legitimize your first Superbowl, and you would only be the biggest hypocrites in the world if you #####ed about time and place for this call.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I also love seeing Pats fans saying that you can't call the rule as it's written because of the magnitude of the situation. It's pretty much identical to their reaction to the Tuck Rule.

Here's the difference: The tuck rule had been called several times in the 2001 season prior to that playoff game, including one time that cost the Patriots a fumble recovery (against the Jets).

This rule has NEVER been called before this afternoon, according to Mike Periera.

It's funny the revisionist history being bandied about. I've heard several Pat's fans make this claim, but every time I've asked for an example, no one has been able to come up with anything. If you have anything you can link us to, please feel free to provide.

It's not revisionist history just because you don't know the history. The tuck rule went against the patriots in week 2 of the season.

You are welcome for the link

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/03/20/nfl-rescinds-tuck-rule/HvKSMTSMVWYDfGVMljdVxN/story.html

 

[Witz]

2 ugly overthrows by Brady on that last regulation possession contributed to this loss. Ouch.

The Jets wouldn't have even been within a possible comeback if it weren't for the drops (mostly Dobson).

If only this or that didn't happen throughout the game, this or that wouldn't have been the result.

Actually, it wasn't the drops that did you guys in - it was the fact that NE came out flat after half-time and let the Jets rattle off 17 straight unanswered points to take the lead.

The Jets were better than the Pats in almost all areas of the game today. To say otherwise would just not be truthful.

Yeah I wonder how it would have been possible for the Jets to come back when it was literally impossible to convert a 3rd down due to drops...

Got it - the 'if that other team hadn't scored more points than us, we would have beat them' line of thinking.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

NFL rule edited after the fact?

 

[Bri]

Penalty on any last second play or winning play stinks. Doesn't matter the sport or circumstance, it stinks.

Pats didn't give Geno enough respect today and got burned. He's a good athlete and you have gotta know that going in. Nelson is meh but if you leave the journeyman all alone he's going to catch it. IDK what was said in this rivalry game, but it looked to me like the Pats were bragging then got burned, over and over and over.

Brady looks like the sports guy that thinks too much. He looked great when he was in rhythm but for the most part it seems like he's pressing way too often. He's not often his usually calm self this year and it's starting to really get to him IMO. He needs a great day in a big way, set those nerves at ease.

 

[Bri]

NFL rule edited after the fact?

Pushing your own teammate on defense is stupid in any sport. Maybe a RB pushing an OL...maybe, but cmon now

 

[MoveToSkypager]

NFL rule edited after the fact?

Did you read the article?

 

[SportsGuru311]

Being a patriot hate I love to see them go down. LOL

 

[Dickie Dunn]

NFL rule edited after the fact?

Did you read the article?

Yes. It sounds like the rule was applied correctly as intended. That said, why edit out the part about the "line of scrimmage", which is what Belichick was saying?