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New Mayor of NYC: ID cards for illegal immigrants (1 Viewer)

timschochet

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http://nypost.com/2014/02/11/de-blasio-pushes-id-cards-for-illegal-immigrants-in-speech/

Following through on a campaign pledge, Mayor de Blasio said Monday that he’ll push to create municipal ID cards so illegal immigrants don’t have to “live their lives in the shadows.”

While the cards would be available to all New Yorkers, they would be aimed at undocumented immigrants who don’t have access to bank accounts, library cards and even memberships at Costco because they can’t produce official photo ID.

The cards could be used to secure apartment leases and MTA senior passes.

But they couldn’t be used for government benefits not otherwise available.

“To all of my fellow New Yorkers who are undocumented, I say: New York City is your home, too, and we will not force any of our residents to live their lives in the shadows,” the mayor declared in his first State of the City address.

He repeated the sentiment in Spanish.

More than a half-dozen cities, including New Haven, Conn., and San Francisco, have introduced similar identification initiatives.

A number have already reported benefits.

One Connecticut study found crime fell by nearly 20 percent in the two years after IDs were introduced in Fair Haven, Conn., de Blasio had noted when campaigning for mayor.

The drop was attributed in part to undocumented immigrants feeling more comfortable interacting with police because they had proof of identity.

“For a diverse city like New York, the benefits will be immense,” said Steven Choi, executive director of the New York Immigration Coalition. “Such an ID expands opportunities for greater civic and economic integration for all New Yorkers.”

City Hall aides said de Blasio would introduce legislation authorizing the IDs in weeks.

They said talks are needed to get banks to accept the IDs. And they stressed that the IDs would not make someone eligible for a benefit, such as food stamps, that they wouldn’t have otherwise received.
Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito said she was “very excited” by the plan.

As public advocate in 2012, de Blasio sought to introduce legislation approving the IDs, but a bill was never drafted.

A similar effort was introduced in the council in July 2007 but never voted on by the body’s Committee on Governmental Operations.

That bill proposed the city Commission on Human Rights administer the program and required applicants to provide some proof of identity and residence.

The agency would keep card holders’ data on file, but it would not include citizenship status. Fees were to be limited to cover only administrative costs.

 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means theey dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.

what is alternative side street parking :shrug:

 
Well this is all very "touchy-feely" for the illegals. I feel inspired to go out and buy some sandals, blah...

 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"

 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"
I think the objection is that government is intentionally making it easier for people to break the law. As a general rule, that's a legitimate complaint, is it not?

 
let's get all of the legal citizens IDs first, then get the IDs described above for Illegals.. win win and would make voter ID easier to implement

 
I don't understand why we want to help folks who migrated here illegally. We are bending to them…let them learn our language, take a few odd jobs, apply for citizenship, get approved and become productive members of America.

This whole hit n run thing…they aren't going to have better jobs and suddenly start doing things they don't do from the country they left. I lived in SoCal for 8 years, got hit twice and the folks stopped but they didn't have any money and no insurance to boot.

 
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makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"
I think the objection is that government is intentionally making it easier for people to break the law. As a general rule, that's a legitimate complaint, is it not?
Actually, what the government is attempting to do is decrease crime.

 
I don't understand why we want to help folks who migrated here illegally. We are bending to them…let them learn our language, take a few odd jobs, apply for citizenship, get approved and become productive members of America.

This whole hit n run thing…they aren't going to had better jobs and suddenly start doing things they don't do form the country they left. I lived in SoCal for 8 years, got hit twice and the folks stopped but they didn't have any money and no insurance to boot.
Because this is MURICA!

 
I don't understand why we want to help folks who migrated here illegally. We are bending to them…let them learn our language, take a few odd jobs, apply for citizenship, get approved and become productive members of America.

This whole hit n run thing…they aren't going to have better jobs and suddenly start doing things they don't do from the country they left. I lived in SoCal for 8 years, got hit twice and the folks stopped but they didn't have any money and no insurance to boot.
I'm pretty sure you should be posting about this in your own thread and nowhere else

:price of fame: : :penalty: :oldunsure:

 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"
I think the objection is that government is intentionally making it easier for people to break the law. As a general rule, that's a legitimate complaint, is it not?
Of course it is. But good luck getting some to admit that.

 
I don't understand why we want to help folks who migrated here illegally. We are bending to them…let them learn our language, take a few odd jobs, apply for citizenship, get approved and become productive members of America.

This whole hit n run thing…they aren't going to have better jobs and suddenly start doing things they don't do from the country they left. I lived in SoCal for 8 years, got hit twice and the folks stopped but they didn't have any money and no insurance to boot.
To your first point: We actively incentivize illegal immigration, and have a host of industries that could not exist in their present state without it. We are not bending to them, we are inviting them through pure economics and a look the other way attitude - at least when it's convenient for us and our economy (which is most of the time).

Second, "we" don't have a language. There's this really cool thing the founding fathers though of, it's called freedom of speech. That includes no official language. Language, like anything, evolves, and we shouldn't be a punch of ####### like France that is so insecure of themselves that they legislate what is or is not an appropriate language to use.

Third, they take more than a few odd jobs and more often than not, illegals work harder than most of us who are sitting with one thumb up our asses and the other typing nonsense on a message board.

Fourth - looks like they will soon have that option. And considering that it's been far easy to gain citizenship in just about every era before this than now, it's about time... for so many reasons.

Fifth - See point three... they are more productive than most of us on a good day.

Finally, there is politics and ideology, and there is governing. A Mayor needs to govern. Creating a safer environment and fostering more cooperation and community is a good thing.

 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"
I think the objection is that government is intentionally making it easier for people to break the law. As a general rule, that's a legitimate complaint, is it not?
Actually, what the government is attempting to do is decrease crime.
The obvious consequence of such policies will be to encourage more illegal immigration. For those who want less illegal immigration rather than more, it seems obvious why they don't agree with such policies.

 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"
I think the objection is that government is intentionally making it easier for people to break the law. As a general rule, that's a legitimate complaint, is it not?
Actually, what the government is attempting to do is decrease crime.
The obvious consequence of such policies will be to encourage more illegal immigration. For those who want less illegal immigration rather than more, it seems obvious why they don't agree with such policies.
Um, our policies HAVE encouraged illegal immigration. What we HAVE DONE and what we CONTINUE TO DO is exacerbating the situation. We are lying to others and to ourselves in an effort to gain cheap labor, and then ##### about those whom we successfully lure by the promise of America.

 
I don't understand why we want to help folks who migrated here illegally. We are bending to them…let them learn our language, take a few odd jobs, apply for citizenship, get approved and become productive members of America.

This whole hit n run thing…they aren't going to have better jobs and suddenly start doing things they don't do from the country they left. I lived in SoCal for 8 years, got hit twice and the folks stopped but they didn't have any money and no insurance to boot.
To your first point: We actively incentivize illegal immigration, and have a host of industries that could not exist in their present state without it. We are not bending to them, we are inviting them through pure economics and a look the other way attitude - at least when it's convenient for us and our economy (which is most of the time).

Second, "we" don't have a language. There's this really cool thing the founding fathers though of, it's called freedom of speech. That includes no official language. Language, like anything, evolves, and we shouldn't be a punch of ####### like France that is so insecure of themselves that they legislate what is or is not an appropriate language to use.

Third, they take more than a few odd jobs and more often than not, illegals work harder than most of us who are sitting with one thumb up our asses and the other typing nonsense on a message board.

Fourth - looks like they will soon have that option. And considering that it's been far easy to gain citizenship in just about every era before this than now, it's about time... for so many reasons.

Fifth - See point three... they are more productive than most of us on a good day.

Finally, there is politics and ideology, and there is governing. A Mayor needs to govern. Creating a safer environment and fostering more cooperation and community is a good thing.
:goodposting:

 
I don't understand why we want to help folks who migrated here illegally. We are bending to themlet them learn our language, take a few odd jobs, apply for citizenship, get approved and become productive members of America.

This whole hit n run thingthey aren't going to have better jobs and suddenly start doing things they don't do from the country they left. I lived in SoCal for 8 years, got hit twice and the folks stopped but they didn't have any money and no insurance to boot.
de Blasio was born & raised in the peoples republic of Cambridge. 'nuff said
 
makes too much sense. people don't realize that denying them id's just means they dont get insurance/registration and then its always a hit and run.
Exactly. I've tried to make this point for years. All I get in response from the Sarnoffs of the world is "BUT THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!"
I think the objection is that government is intentionally making it easier for people to break the law. As a general rule, that's a legitimate complaint, is it not?
Actually, what the government is attempting to do is decrease crime.
The obvious consequence of such policies will be to encourage more illegal immigration. For those who want less illegal immigration rather than more, it seems obvious why they don't agree with such policies.
Um, our policies HAVE encouraged illegal immigration. What we HAVE DONE and what we CONTINUE TO DO is exacerbating the situation. We are lying to others and to ourselves in an effort to gain cheap labor, and then ##### about those whom we successfully lure by the promise of America.
I agree. My point is that timschochet shouldn't be surprised that those who advocate less illegal immigration also think policies such as this one are poor policy, specifically because the consequence of such policies is to encourage more of something the person thinks is bad for the country in the first place.

It's like being surprised that those who want fewer NFL knee injuries advocate against poor field conditions.

 
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I think it's wonderful when our government officials decide what laws they're going to pay attention to.

Now they need to extend the same privilege to the citizens.

 
This is a good thread. I'm proud to have started it. I have started many threads on this same issue, and will likely start many more.

 

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