billjohnson
Footballguy
Is this fair? If not, what is the protocol for not approving this....majority league vote??
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New Trade in My League... (1 Viewer)
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
totally fair.
Avery
Footballguy
Which side do you think wins in this trade?
blake
Footballguy
yes
you can't. no league should ever veto trades because other owners feel a trade is unfair. vetoes should be for collusion only.
billjohnson
Footballguy
westbrook for slaton.........you guys are kidding, right??!
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
This trade isn't fair but it's not obvious collusion.
No veto for me.
No veto for me.
billjohnson
Footballguy
I put this in trade dominator....gave a HUGE advantage for the guy getting Westbrook! HUGE!!
Avery
Footballguy
Westbrook's hurt and can't even practice. Who knows how long that problem will linger.Are you Kreskin and able to tell me what will end up being a good or bad trade by week 16?
Get over the fact that you weren't able to make the trade yourself and move on.
Edit to add:
My two leagues (PPR) RB rankings through week 4:
League 1:
17. Slaton
18. Westbrook
League 2:
15. Slaton
17. Westbrook
... and they have each missed one game. Slaton had a bye and Westbrook missed a game to injury and is still hurt so what's the issue here that's so damn big that you want to veto?
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Avery
Footballguy
Trade dominator is based on someone's projections not fact.These sort of threads never cease to amaze me.
billjohnson
Footballguy
Fair enough...yet i can never get over the fact that each league I'm in has one or two scrubs who don't really know the difference between Brian Westbrook and Michael Westbrook. Eventually, they make some super one-sided trade and there goes everyone's draft prep, free agent pickups, etc. This guys picked up Slaton from the free agent pool last week...and now trades him for Westbrook....30th in our entire league and missed week four??!This just doesn't seem right to me.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
"This guys picked up Slaton from the free agent pool last week"
then you missed out...How is Slaton in the FA wire to begin with?
then you missed out...How is Slaton in the FA wire to begin with?
billjohnson
Footballguy
Listen....everyone reading this knows that Brian Westbrook is going to score way more points than Steve Slaton. And if you dont', please let me play in your league with about a $10000000 buy-in and $100 trades and pick-ups.
Avery
Footballguy
... and everyone reading this knew that Tom Brady was going to score way more points than Jay Cutler. And if you dont', please let me play in your league with about a $10000000 buy-in and $100 trades and pick-ups.Edit to add if you'd rather take injury out of it even though Westbrook is hurt:
... and everyone reading this knew that Ben Roethlisberger was going to score way more points than J.T. O'Sullivan. And if you dont', please let me play in your league with about a $10000000 buy-in and $100 trades and pick-ups.
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billjohnson
Footballguy
What does a fluke injury to brady have to do with this? Please tell me you guys are messing with me...only one person here has stated the trade isn't fair....only one? Think of it this way....would any of you really trade Westbrook off your team right now for Slayton?
Avery
Footballguy
... see my edit... and I'm not saying I would do it, I don't like to sell low and trade an injured player, but a very reasonable argument can be made for the trade. Add in the upside of Edwards and it may be a deal where he comes out ahead.
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Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Ok, I'll give you the answer you're looking for:
You should have picked up Slaton
You should have traded him for Westbrook
The trade should not be vetoed.
You should have picked up Slaton
You should have traded him for Westbrook
The trade should not be vetoed.
billjohnson
Footballguy
Edit all you like...but no way do you trade Brian Westbrook for Steve Slaton four weeks into the season. No way. Are you guys forgetting...Westbrook was around 4 ADP...is currently 30th in my league.....watch any NFL last season??? I'm in shock right now.
schooner44
Footballguy
Westy is an injury waiting to happen. I've avoided him every year of his career for this very reason. Slaton could put up very good numbers. Both sides are taking risks here. Same goes for the WRs--Edwards may bounce back and play like everyone expected and Williams MIGHT become the #1 guy he wants to be.
This trade is all about perceived value by the owners involved. Obviously no collusion and therefore a vote, no less a veto, should not even be entertained.
This trade is all about perceived value by the owners involved. Obviously no collusion and therefore a vote, no less a veto, should not even be entertained.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
billjohnson, do you think this trade is obvious collusion?
the rover
Footballguy
maybe he just hates watching the Eagles.
Avery
Footballguy
You seem to have a problem with past value vs. current. Again I'm not saying I'd do the trade but come kickoff of week 1, ADP means absolutely nothing, performance last season means nothing.If Westbrook is 30th in your league, where is Slaton ranked?
billjohnson
Footballguy
Unwrittenlaw,
No. I do not this these are guys are pulling a fast one. But I do think one of these guys is a complete moron. And I know the guy who's getting Westy only put the trade out there to see if any morons would bite....(his words, not mine).
There's $1000 first prize in this league....guys are not gonna be happy to work hard in draft prep, etc. and have their teams beat by some guy who stole westy away from a moron.
No. I do not this these are guys are pulling a fast one. But I do think one of these guys is a complete moron. And I know the guy who's getting Westy only put the trade out there to see if any morons would bite....(his words, not mine).
There's $1000 first prize in this league....guys are not gonna be happy to work hard in draft prep, etc. and have their teams beat by some guy who stole westy away from a moron.
billjohnson
Footballguy
Avery,Westy is 30.....Slaton is 53. Westy is projected way higher...and performing significantly better.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
I still don't get what's so unfair about this trade. Team getting Westbrook obviously is getting the better deal but this trade simply isn't vetoable. What if it was Chris Johnson instead of Slaton? CJ also had a low ADP going into the season.
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billjohnson
Footballguy
Ok. Point is made. Still not sure how everone argues for the "fairness" of this trade when not one of you would trade away Westy for Slaton. Trade Dominator has it 30% uneven....and the guy who offered it said there's no way this moron will accept.But I guess that's that...it's done.
Avery
Footballguy
Really?Interesting scoring in your league. Even more interesting when Westy is "performing significantly better" while he's standing in street clothes in the sidelines while Slaton is putting up 133 combined yards and a TD.
... and one more time... projections do not necessarily equal reality!.
billjohnson
Footballguy
At least tell me all you just got home from a night on the town and are wasted drunk.
Certain not to remember any more of this conversation than the one you were have with the "you're so beautiful" fat chick at the bar.
Certain not to remember any more of this conversation than the one you were have with the "you're so beautiful" fat chick at the bar.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Next 4 weeks
Houston faces
Colts
Dolphins
Lions
Bengals
All at home.
I don't know about you, but I love that stretch of schedule
Also, If I were a Westbrook owner, I'd be worried about not seeing him play again until week 8. If I were sitting at 1-3, 2-2, I'd be moving him in a heartbeat to someone that wants to take a chance.
Houston faces
Colts
Dolphins
Lions
Bengals
All at home.
I don't know about you, but I love that stretch of schedule
Also, If I were a Westbrook owner, I'd be worried about not seeing him play again until week 8. If I were sitting at 1-3, 2-2, I'd be moving him in a heartbeat to someone that wants to take a chance.
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tarheel1unc
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
If they can't handle losing that way, then they shouldn't let morons in their $$ league.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
Dude, it's guys like you that ruin good leagues! Have you even seen Slaton this year?
If you ask me your making yourself out a fool for even posting this!
Your a perfect example of the number one reason I prefer NO TRADE or no vote on trade LEAGUES anymore!
I raised a little bit of heck in a hi stake league last week with a lot more on the line then this as one guy just made a trade giving away Welker and Hightower for McClain and McAllister.
I was one of only 2 that voted it down and for me to vote down a trade is very rare!
I think it was my first all year!
Now I look like the fool with McAllister back and McClain 3 straight decent performances!
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT AND LET OTHER MANAGE THERE OWN TEAMS.
THATS MY ADVICE since you asked!
As stated above trades should only be voted down if you feel collusion is involved!
And I was wrong voteing down the one trade I did vote down this year. Things move fast week by week around here!
The trade is PERFECTLY FAIR! The guy that got Slaton and Roy will probably win that trade even though your so worried it's collusion the other way! That's what I think!
He certainly won week 4 as Roy on bye plus Slaton was far greater then Westy hurt and Edwards finally a TD with a breathtaking 26 yards without 20 dropped passes for once. Of coarse it came against the great BuNGAL D!
u asked... i answered
If you ask me your making yourself out a fool for even posting this!
Your a perfect example of the number one reason I prefer NO TRADE or no vote on trade LEAGUES anymore!
I raised a little bit of heck in a hi stake league last week with a lot more on the line then this as one guy just made a trade giving away Welker and Hightower for McClain and McAllister.
I was one of only 2 that voted it down and for me to vote down a trade is very rare!
I think it was my first all year!
Now I look like the fool with McAllister back and McClain 3 straight decent performances!
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT AND LET OTHER MANAGE THERE OWN TEAMS.
THATS MY ADVICE since you asked!
As stated above trades should only be voted down if you feel collusion is involved!
And I was wrong voteing down the one trade I did vote down this year. Things move fast week by week around here!
The trade is PERFECTLY FAIR! The guy that got Slaton and Roy will probably win that trade even though your so worried it's collusion the other way! That's what I think!
He certainly won week 4 as Roy on bye plus Slaton was far greater then Westy hurt and Edwards finally a TD with a breathtaking 26 yards without 20 dropped passes for once. Of coarse it came against the great BuNGAL D!
u asked... i answered
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
Dude, it's guys like you that ruin good leagues! Have you even seen Slaton this year?
If you ask me your making yourself out a fool for even posting this!
Your a perfect example of the number one reason I prefer NO TRADE or no vote on trade LEAGUES anymore!
I raised a little bit of heck in a hi stake league last week with a lot more on the line then this as one guy just made a trade giving away Welker and Hightower for McClain and McAllister.
I was one of only 2 that voted it down and for me to vote down a trade is very rare!
I think it was my first all year!
Now I look like the fool with McAllister back and McClain 3 straight decent performances!
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT AND LET OTHER MANAGE THERE OWN TEAMS.
THATS MY ADVICE since you asked!
As stated above trades should only be voted down if you feel collusion is involved!
And I was wrong voteing down the one trade I did vote down this year. Things move fast week by week around here!
The trade is PERFECTLY FAIR! The guy that got Slaton and Roy will probably win that trade even though your so worried it's collusion the other way! That's what I think!
He certainly won week 4 as Roy on bye plus Slaton was far greater then Westy hurt and Edwards finally a TD with a breathtaking 26 yards without 20 dropped passes for once. Of coarse it came against the great BuNGAL D!
u asked... i answered
If you ask me your making yourself out a fool for even posting this!
Your a perfect example of the number one reason I prefer NO TRADE or no vote on trade LEAGUES anymore!
I raised a little bit of heck in a hi stake league last week with a lot more on the line then this as one guy just made a trade giving away Welker and Hightower for McClain and McAllister.
I was one of only 2 that voted it down and for me to vote down a trade is very rare!
I think it was my first all year!
Now I look like the fool with McAllister back and McClain 3 straight decent performances!
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT AND LET OTHER MANAGE THERE OWN TEAMS.
THATS MY ADVICE since you asked!
As stated above trades should only be voted down if you feel collusion is involved!
And I was wrong voteing down the one trade I did vote down this year. Things move fast week by week around here!
The trade is PERFECTLY FAIR! The guy that got Slaton and Roy will probably win that trade even though your so worried it's collusion the other way! That's what I think!
He certainly won week 4 as Roy on bye plus Slaton was far greater then Westy hurt and Edwards finally a TD with a breathtaking 26 yards without 20 dropped passes for once. Of coarse it came against the great BuNGAL D!
u asked... i answered
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Agreed.Speaking of which, Assani was doing this same thing and asked if I minded him posting in here about a trade I just made tonight:
Get: Andre Johnson
Give: McClain/Clayton (both Balt)
You make your own bed yadda-yadda.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
This happened two years ago in my big money league. Westy was traded away to a division opponent (both teams involved in the trade are in my division) for 3 future picks the following year......basically a drop in the bucket. While I thought the owner giving Westy to the other owner was a play to insure that my playoff hopes were dashed because it made the team receiving Westy so much stronger, thus my chances that much slighter, it did not work out that way in the end. In the end, the team that got Westy did make the playoffs, but disappeared after the first week of playoffs. I, on the other hand, went on to win the title. Yeah, I would have given more to get Westy, but the team who got him was at the right place at the right time. I could not prove collusion, so I left it be and just went about my business of putting a title contender on the field each week.I'm sorry, but this trade looks Ok to me. Westy owner is probably getting nervous and decided to cut his losses before it got too late. Westy has value now.....maybe not so much in a few weeks. Slaton is a good pickup for him and may turn out to be a brilliant move in the end.
Go back to worrying about your own team and do what you can to put the best possible team on the field each week. This way you can say you earned your championship, rather than complain about a trade which did or did not benefit some other team.
Just my
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
The guy getting Westbrook looks to be getting the better deal, but he is inheriting a lot of risk - Westbrook could be a game time decision every week, for all we know. He is an absolute FF stud, but he is not very durable ...
fsufan
Footballguy
who gives a #### what the draft dominator says. that is someone option.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
They guy downgraded at running back but upgraded at WR. I don't see a problem here. Roy Williams has only 8 receptions in 3 games. This wasn't a bad trade and one I would have made unless I was already deep at WR.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
and anyone reading this would have seen the trade wasn't just Slaton for westbrook. It was Slaton/Edwards for Westbrook/R. Williams. Two starters for one, IMO.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Unless there is collusion or other funny business, a trade should go through. Trade rules cannot protect stupidity. Nobody has a right to tell another owner how to manage their team.
All fantasy owners value players differently. There is no trade that every person thinks is fair...which is why fairness does not matter.
All fantasy owners value players differently. There is no trade that every person thinks is fair...which is why fairness does not matter.
MCguidance
Footballguy
In before the lock.
And the trade is fine.
And the trade is fine.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Fine w/me
habsfan
Footballguy
You'll never find a league where everyone thinks and behaves as you think they should. No one has the luxury of absolute predictability and frankly, I'm not sure I would even want it if it was possible.
You might want to consider setting aside what you think you know about Westbrook and Slaton in 2008. In my league last year, Graham finished ahead of SJax. What would you have thought of that trade in Week 4?
You might want to consider setting aside what you think you know about Westbrook and Slaton in 2008. In my league last year, Graham finished ahead of SJax. What would you have thought of that trade in Week 4?
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Who cares? Guys like you shouldn't be fantasy league commissioners. In fact, guys like you should only be in free Yahoo leagues.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Why do you keep saying its Westbrook for Slaton? Last I checked there's 2 other players involved in that deal
Exactly. And I am pretty sure Edwards has far more value (he certainly does in my book) than does Roy Williams. Seems to me that this is an incredibly fair deal and I would hate to be in someones league who felt that this was anything but fair.
