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New York Giants 2009 inseason thread (1 Viewer)

netnalp

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I don't think there's a Giants 2009 inseason thread, least none I've found.

Lawrence Tynes

According to Newsday's Tom Rock, the Giants are sticking with K Lawrence Tynes for now.

Rock reports that former Ravens kicker Matt Stover also tried out along with Matt Bryant on Tuesday. The Giants are hoping the dog-and-pony show will scare Tynes straight, but he'll be on a short leash going forward.Source: Newsday

The player rep for free agent K Matt Bryant said he would not be signing with the Giants on Tuesday.

Lawrences Tynes job is safe -- for now. Bryant was not among those trying out for the Bucs, so he'll likely remain unemployed for another week.Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

Michael Boley

www.rotoworld.com

Giants WLB Michael Boley will be out four weeks after undergoing arthroscopic surgery to repair a partially torn meniscus in his right knee.

Losing their best pass-rushing linebacker is a significant blow to the Giants defense, but once again GM Jerry Reese has built up the depth to replace him. Chase Blackburn started in Boley's place in Week 1, and Bryan Kehl will also see action.Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

 
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Boley would of really helped us against the Saints.

I'm worried about Ross and Canty is a no show this season except some in week 1.

 
Boley would of really helped us against the Saints.

I'm worried about Ross and Canty is a no show this season except some in week 1.
This is a great week to let those 2 get healthier and hopefully into Week 6.ETA: Maybe Sintim will be active this week.

 
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Is Nicks now entrenched as the 3rd WR? What do you guys expect from him the rest of the season?
I expect Nicks to be the #2 receiver with Manningham moving into the slot which is where he belongs. Manningham is explosively quick in his moves, but his hands are shaky. It may take another week for that to be official, but I would be very surprised if it didn't happen.
 
The November 1 kickoff time for the Giants at Eagles game has changed from 4:15 ET to 1 PM ET due to logistical issues in Philadelphia should the Phillies be in the World Series, the NFL announced today.
 
Blurbs from today's transcripts:

Gilbride:

Q. Are Brandon and Ahmad seeing different looks from defenses?

A. Sometimes, most of the time it is the same. People play you the same, they are playing their scheme. They do play us a little differently when Brandon is in the game. Certainly they know Brandon's running style is a certain way so they can play him a little different. Essentially, it is the same. But again, I can call a certain play and Mario Manningham is the x receiver and on that coverage you have bump and run and we have a go route so the ball goes to him. I could call the same route the next five times and it happens to be Hakeem Nicks and there is off coverage and the ball never goes to him. What is wrong with Hakeem? It just happens to be the luck of the draw. Some of that is part of the explanation. Part of it is that Ahmad is playing great football. He is making some guys miss, that is his style of play. Brandon's best style is when we just come off the ball as a unit and we knock people off the line and get him going. When he gets going that is when he is special. We are trying to do it.

Q. So it is not that defenses are gearing up to stop the power run?

A. No, not really. There are sometimes with a little of that. But we run Brandon outside a lot. Some of his best plays are when you get him outside and get him running. It is less of that than it is just happened to be the luck of the draw. What play is called, what defense is called. Again, Ahmad has had some where maybe it wasn't the perfect call or scheme and he has just made guys miss.

DC Sheridan

Q: What are some of the ways they use Reggie Bush?

A: The thing about it is in some of the groupings he really represents a wide receiver and he lines up on the perimeter. And so even though in your mind you are playing against maybe a two-back personnel group but they come out and line up like a three-wide receiver grouping. And at least his talent is like the majority of the wide receivers in the league and you have to account for him that way. So your decision is whether or not you are going to substitute and play nickel people. But then they can get in the two backs and run it or you can try to play base people and adjust a linebacker on the perimeter and maybe get matched up on him or a wide receiver on the perimeter. And that is why they do it. Matter of fact, when we introduced him to our players this week we said running back/wide receiver. Because in some of their groupings he just lines up as a wide receiver right out of the huddle. And they treat him just like a wide-out and run wide receiver routes with him. He can do all of that stuff.

Q: When the other team's top receiver comes in here and doesn't do much, it is a big testament to Corey? I know it is everybody but is it a big testament to what Corey is doing?

A: Yes. And really the other corners have played well, too. Obviously we try to match up Corey to the best guy or away from the roll of the coverage regularly. And people know that when they watch film on us. But really our other corners are playing well, too. Terrell Thomas is having a hell of a year. Bruce Johnson stepped in and did a great job. We know Dock is going to play well and has played well. But yeah, Corey has had a solid year. The number of catches against wide receivers, as you know, has been really good for us. Our guys have done a great job of really - no wide receiver has really torn it up against us, an individual guy who had an eight or 10 catch game against us. So, yeah, Corey has done a great job but our other corners have played well, too. Pete Giunta has done a great job with those guys.

Coughlin basically said Eli practiced and the foot is fine and Ahmad rested and will practice Friday.

 
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Nicks over Maclin? (Not WDIS) I mean career wise. I have Nicks above Maclin & I own Maclin. :lmao:

 
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Hard to say, but I'd say Maclin. I read Maclin was the guy the Giants were targetting in the Draft till Philly moved up to get him. Maclin has speed which Nicks doesn't have and I'm not sure Nicks hands and route running skills are that much better than Maclins and if they'd be enough to overcome the speed advantage Maclin has.

I assume you meant Nicks. Otherwise who is Hicks? Hixon? Maclin > Hixon.

 
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Hard to say, but I'd say Maclin. I read Maclin was the guy the Giants were targetting in the Draft till Philly moved up to get him. Maclin has speed which Knicks doesn't have and I'm not sure Knicks hands and route running skills are that much better than Maclins and if they'd be enough to overcome the speed advantage Maclin has.
:unsure: Despite his big game, Maclin has a ways to go in his development as an NFL receiver to show consistent production from week to week. It's close, but I'd still take Nicks long term.

 
Eli asked about the Cards:

Q. Why are they so good at stopping the run?

A. They just have good players. They are fast and they run. A lot of times they are going to have eight guys in the box. They play the safeties low to try to stop the run. They play a lot of single high. They try to put you in situations where it makes it tough to run the football. You are going to have to run it to keep them honest. Some things that hopefully will work for us, but we have to throw the ball successfully also.



Could mean a big week for Steve Smith. In post game interviews this season the coaches and players have said Smith was able to exploit the single coverage. My understanding is with a single high formation, Smith won't be bracketed by a safety and corner. I expect mid-range passes will be where he'll see the most opportunity.

 
Transcript: DC Bill Sheridan

Q: Drew Brees was barely touched last week. Was that them, was that you, what was it?

A: Some of both. They did a good job. They moved him around in the pocket a little bit and they kept protectors in. They didn't run a whole lot of four or five receivers out, especially in the two-back personnel. They kept guys in to protect. Second of all, we didn't do a great job pressuring the quarterback. And third of all, on my part - should have, would have, could have - we would have, especially at some point in the game, figured out what they were doing, that their aim is really to throw the ball on us. And we should've just pressured more. Not only more frequently, but send more guys than they could pick up. But like I said, they did a good job. They had a bye week and they did a great job of self-scouting. And their run/pass percentage was flip/flop from a different personnel group. So, like I said, we were making run calls, and they were throwing the ball down the field. We are rushing four guys but they are blocking with six or seven so you are not going to have as much pressure on the quarterback. But, yeah, it is a combination of all of those things. And by the same token, you still have to cover. You are not going to pressure every single down in football. We don't. I don't believe in that. But in hindsight, sure, if we had it to do over again, we would pressured much more, more frequently and sent more guys than they could block. Because that was their plan to max it up and throw the ball.

Q: Do you think moving forward then that you guys will kind of ramp up the number of times you blitz a game?

A: Yes, anticipating that is what people will try to do to us. Because we have a good pass rush and so people are not going to let them get off and they will block more guys and run fewer guys in routes; so, yes, absolutely.

Q: Even with a team like this that uses four wide-out sets?

A: Yes, the same mentality. When you anticipate people throwing the ball, you always want to affect the quarterback. Like I said, the thing that New Orleans did a good job of, especially as the game opened up, in groups where we anticipated a two-to-one run-pass tendency, they threw the ball every down out of those personnel groups.

Q: And they put in an extra tackle?

A: Yes, and not even that - just when they were in their two-backs, tight end, two wide receivers, they blocked the tight end and ran two-receiver routes. And they did a good job and we didn't match it up.

Q: Do you see yourself putting in Mathias, Osi and Justin in at the same time? Or just for rotational purposes?

A: This game in particular because there is going to be so much three- and four-wide receiver sets, they will be out there together. And I know it probably seems a little weird at times seeing any one of those three guys on the sidelines because Mike Waufle rotates them through. But in the big picture of things the plan is that they will be fresher for the long haul and they will be able to go harder when they are in there for the 35 or so snaps that each of them basically gets every game. But in this - because we are going to be playing a lot of dime and nickel, three and four wide, then the three of them will be in there collectively, sure.

Q: The Saints did like 'max' protect. I know that you guys did that in a playoff game last year so it sounds like you are expecting to see a lot of more of that - that the blitz is kind of the way to get pressure even when they are max protecting. Is that correct?

A: Yes. New Orleans did it in their two-back groupings without getting super technical. Because when they went to their three wide receiver groupings, they ran conventional four and five man routes. And we did pressure that grouping, which was because we anticipated pass from those groupings. The thing that is going to be a little different from Arizona is that they are a three and four wide receiver team. So the structure of the personnel they have is not to max protect but to throw. And so their answer is to throw it quicker - three steps and get rid of the ball and throw hot. So when you have four wide receivers you only have six protectors - the five linemen and the back - those are the only guys that can protect. So it is hard to get what we call seven-man or full max protection out of it. So they will be a little bit different. But they may elect to go to two-back personnel. Because they have all of the personnel groups like everybody does. And they may elect to do that feeling they have a good chance to protect from our pressures or our four-man rush and throw two receiver routes like New Orleans did to start the game out. But I don't anticipate that. I think they will do their --- they are playing well. I'm sure they are going to feel good coming in against us and throwing the ball on us. But they are a three and four wide receiver team. I think they will do that as the norm. And they will throw from that. And their answer to the pressure will be to get rid of the ball or screens - that is their answer for pressure - they throw screens, which a pain in the neck.

Q: Is Kurt Warner getting rid of the ball quicker this year?

A: I think he does a good job. He is really smart and he is a veteran. He still gets hit and people get after him. He is not the most mobile guy you are going to play against. So he gets hit and has trouble moving around in the pocket but he does a great job of reading pressure and getting rid of the ball. And that is their answer; that and the screens. They throw perimeter screens. So you bring guys and now you have fewer guys on the perimeter ... wide receiver screens.

 
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Anyone have a good feel for the run game this year? It seems like Bradshaw has earned more playing time. He's been better in almost every situation, including goal line. He missed a key block in pass pro vs. the Saints which cost him some PT in that game. Jacobs has been easily tackled this year, and almost pathetic with his goal line opportunities. Any solid word on how the rotation will work going forward?

 
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From the transcripts Coughlin and Gilbride don't seem to be talking about making Bradshaw the main back. There's probably some coach speak to it, down playing Jacobs struggles, but according to them Jacobs came out of the last two games with stingers, the Cowboys game was a shootout, Bradshaw has stepped up and is making big plays, and defenses have just happened to make a play when Jacobs has been in and/or the line hasn't blocked as well.

Jacobs has said, that being a bigger back, he can't squeeze through some of the lanes that Bradshaw can zip through. He's also mentioned that he's trying to make people miss more to get things going even though the coaches have advised against this.

I think Jacobs got frustrated over his lack of production during the first few games, as the Giants showcased the pass and defenses loaded up on the run. Due to that he's changed things up and to use a baseball term, "lost his swing" because of this.

Gilbride Oct. 22 on the running game vs. Saints and vs. Cards.

Q. Brandon thought it could have been a huge rushing day last week. Do you think you have to get more established at the run?

A. No, I think we have to do whatever has to be done on game day. That game, the reason the running game was good is because we were throwing it and had chances for big plays and they backed off and that is when the running game was good. On the first couple where he got stuffed, that is why we had the opportunities for the big plays throwing the ball. Problem was three of the first ten plays we had a chance to score a touchdown and we didn't do it. Seven times over the course of the game we had a chance to score a touchdown and didn't for one reason or another. But when we got them to back off we had a chance to run the ball.

Q. This week you face another high-powered offense. Will you use the pass to set up the run?

A. All we do is look to see what the defensive scheme or approach is going to be against us and then try to take advantage of the areas that are most vulnerable. When those areas are there and you have those chances, and like I said, three of the first ten plays we had a chance for a touchdown and didn't hit it for whatever reason. That would have backed them off tremendously. Then we could have run the ball and controlled the clock. We got behind and we had to continue to throw. We had chances. There were things that we saw and we knew they would be there and they were there and we didn't take advantage as we would have hoped.

Q. Do you expect to see the same things this week?

No, it's a completely different defense and different defensive approach. Again, what they do, they still bring an extra man up there to rush down the run or you go two high to shut down the pass. Whatever they do, it will give one area more of a chance to be successful. You still have to go execute, whether it is run or pass, and hopefully when we see those things we will be able to do that.

Jacobs burners taking him out.

Q: Last week was the second time that Brandon Jacobs has come out with the burner. Is that the same issue?

A: He comes right back in.

Q: Is he more vulnerable now?

A: No, I don't think so. You would say that if it happened a couple of weekends in a row. But he is strong and he is strong in the weight room. He comes right back. I don't think there is any vulnerability. At least I hope not.

Gilbribe Oct 15 Jacobs role and struggles



Q. What is it about Brandon Jacobs that makes him a tone-setter for this offense?

A. The obvious thing is that he is so physical, so powerful. So it adds a physical element to an offense that not all offenses have. We all would like to have that component where you say, we can just line up against our opponent and be as physical as any defense we encounter. You're not going to do it with your receivers. It really is going to come down to what your line and the style of runner that you have. He gives us that, he gives us that tone, that physicality, that toughness.

Q. Why is he so frustrated these days?

A. I just think his stats are not as high as the success he has experienced in the past. He wants to do more, which is good. Looking to do whatever he can do, he is looking to do it for the sake of the team. I think that is what he feels, he wants to be an effective runner because he knows our team needs that.

Q. Has he expressed his frustration to you individually?

A. We have talked about it. I told him, 'to just keep playing. We aren't disappointed at all. You're a big part of what we do. You can express your contributions as a runner and also as a pass protector.' (He's) a guy that is chipping and neutralizing some superior rushers that we are facing. Not everybody has a guy who can do that, he can do that. We can match him up against a linebacker. We don't have to make adjustments that a lot of teams have to do. He helps us in so many areas I don't worry necessarily about the yardage per carry. I just look at the tone he is setting, not only with his running but also with everything he does.

Q. When you look at the film can you see why the yardage has gone down?

A. No, not really. It is hard to discern any difference from the past. I think it is just some of the things that happen to be that way. Sometimes you guys will say how come so and so hasn't caught the ball as many times as he did last year. I just say, during the course of the year, I think it will all even out. I think the same thing. I think his stats will be just where they have been over the past few years once the year is done. Right now, when we call certain a run, maybe it hasn't opened up quite the way it would've in the past. I can tell you this right now there isn't a defensive back in the league that is excited about tackling him once he gets himself north and south. Hopefully, we've got a play called and we are executing and blocking well enough that we give him that chance.

Q. Along those same lines, is Ahmad Bradshaw just in a groove?

A. He is playing absolutely great football. He is making guys miss sometimes, even if it's not blocked the way you want it, sometimes it is the luck of the draw, you have the right play call when he is in.

Q. How do you expect Brandon will handle the frustration?

A. What I expect him to do is to channel that into a great effort. Going home, looking to show everybody that, 'Hey, I am a special football player. My role on this team is very important. I am angry, I'm frustrated.' I think he is just going to dig down a little bit deeper. I think he is going to respond very positive to do it.

Q. Are Brandon and Ahmad seeing different looks from defenses?

A. Sometimes, most of the time it is the same. People play you the same, they are playing their scheme. They do play us a little differently when Brandon is in the game. Certainly they know Brandon's running style is a certain way so they can play him a little different. Essentially, it is the same. But again, I can call a certain play and Mario Manningham is the x receiver and on that coverage you have bump and run and we have a go route so the ball goes to him. I could call the same route the next five times and it happens to be Hakeem Nicks and there is off coverage and the ball never goes to him. What is wrong with Hakeem? It just happens to be the luck of the draw. Some of that is part of the explanation. Part of it is that Ahmad is playing great football. He is making some guys miss, that is his style of play. Brandon's best style is when we just come off the ball as a unit and we knock people off the line and get him going. When he gets going that is when he is special. We are trying to do it.

Q. So it is not that defenses are gearing up to stop the power run?

A. No, not really. There are sometimes with a little of that. But we run Brandon outside a lot. Some of his best plays are when you get him outside and get him running. It is less of that than it is just happened to be the luck of the draw. What play is called, what defense is called. Again, Ahmad has had some where maybe it wasn't the perfect call or scheme and he has just made guys miss.

Coughlin Oct 14 Happy with Jacobs

Q: Brandon Jacobs is openly down on himself a little bit. How can you help him turn that around?

A: I don't know what people keep talking about turning around. The guy had some outstanding runs the other day. He had the numbers in terms of rushes. He had the usual number of power runs that he has. I don't think there is anything for Brandon to be down on. This keeps coming up. I don't know what the expectations are. He is a power runner and that is what he does. If you are talking about the goal line - it was good penetration and he didn't get the opportunity to get into the end zone. But he will continue to work at that and continue to study and continue to look at himself. And he continues to be a vital part of our offensive team.

Q: When you have one running back averaging three yards a carry and the others have five and six, there has to be something.

A: Why not? What is wrong with that?

Q: Well the production just doesn't seem to be there.

A: Well, we are averaging 160 yards a game rushing, so some how, some way, the ball is moving down the field.

Coughlin Oct 12 Bradshaw number of touches

Q. Is Ahmad Bradshaw reading blocks much better this year?

A. No doubt. A week ago I think he showed that. He is more aware, he is more in tune, he certainly does understand the protections and he does move in and he is physical.

Q. With his production do you want to get him the ball more?

A. I think 11 carries for 110 yards is good. I am just kidding. We will see how that goes. We do have issues since he practices basically once a week but they are trying to do a little bit more than that. We haven't received any clearance. We feel like there is a chance to give him some more snaps, but we will see just how that distribution goes. I think yesterday, being able to get Gartrell in there, with Brandon getting any number of carries and doing a good job of catching the ball coming out of the backfield and doing a nice job of pass protection, I think we have a pretty good mix developing. As I said a week ago, if we can get Danny Ware back healthy I think not only will it help in terms of our rotation and our availability, but it will help our special teams as well.

Gilbride Oct 1 Jacobs not tip-toeing, but thinking too much



Q: What do you see when you look at the Kansas City defense?

A: I see a lot of first rounders and second rounders, particularly up front, that look like they fly around real well for the football. So I guess they are able to generate some heat. So we are going to have our hands full.



Q: Is Jacob's tip-toeing? Is he running differently than he used to in the past?

A: Not really. Every year is a different year and what have you. Someone just told me about it. I wasn't - to be honest with you - sure what the story was until about 15 minutes ago. If anything, I see a guy that is still energetic, is physical, is passionate about doing whatever he can to help us win. If there is an error that is slowing him down, it is because he wants to be perfect. He is trying to make the perfect read, if that is it. If there is anything, that would be it, he is just trying so hard to do everything perfectly. Sometimes you just have to trust your instincts and go out and play. But I certainly don't see anybody that is tip-toeing. That has not been -- I haven't been aware of that at all.

Q: Initially, when Jacobs first arrived, you tried to get him to be a little more patient?



A: Yeah. They say - sometimes knowledge can be a little - knowledge can be dangerous. I think as he is growing, he is trying to read and understand not only what we do, but he has grown so much now that he understands what defenses will do, sometimes if you are not careful, you get overloaded. And you don't trust just your instincts. Those decisions are made within fractions of seconds - "Hey, my key does this and I have to react to it." And I think, if anything, he just wants to do right so badly that if anything slows him down, that would be it. But again, I don't see anybody that has lessened his enthusiasm, or his toughness or his passion or his desire for us to do well and for him to contribute to us doing well.

Q: Would you have to bring that to his attention?

A: Yeah, it is like anything. It is any position, like quarterback. You make your read, you see it, trust it, and let it go. If you wait and hesitate just a little bit, all of a sudden that lane that - what you were correct in determining was open - the passing lane is not there. And the same thing applies to a running game. You just have to believe yourself. And it is just like anything else - if a hitter in baseball, if things are going well, it is easy. The ball looks bigger and it is no problem. You go through that slump maybe where you are not going quite as well, you begin to question yourself. And as soon as that happens, that doesn't help - that hinders.

Re: Jacobs and Bradshaw, and what is asked of Jacobs

A: Different styles, they are completely different guys. You don't ask one to do it like the other. So what he does best, he makes a read, and he turns downhill - north, south and hits it as hard and as aggressively as he can. Even if it is not a perfect read, it usually moves the pile and keeps us in a good down and distance rhythm. And that is all we really ever ask from him. Now when he gets out in the open, some of those misdirection things and once he gets a head of steam, now it is frightening if you are a defensive back and you have to tackle him.

I couldn't find the transcript where Jacobs talked about trying to be more elusive to try and fix things, even though his coaches weren't on board with it. Maybe later I'll have the time to find it.

 
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I get the impression that Jacobs entered the season concerned about staying healthy for the whole season and not missing any games and as a result hasn't been as aggressive as he has been in the past

I think its subconscious

 

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