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New York Jets (9-2) v. New England Patriots (9-2) (1 Viewer)

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Although it's probably the game of the year as of now, who knows if it lives up to the hype. Two 9-2 teams going at it is cause for a thread, throw in that it is a division rivalry, I think it should be fun.

The Jets won in week 2 against a far different Pats team. Tough weather in a tough environment will make it hard for the Jets to win this. I think both will make the playoffs, but the game has home field implications. Both have a tough schedule, but the Pats have three really tough games in a row.

Predictions? Thoughts?

 
My prediction is that this thread will discuss the past much more so than the impending contest. Feelings will be hurt, high horses mounted, points ignored, misunderstood, or misrepresented. In short this has all the potential to be another in a long line of division rival game threads.

i'll just hang out in the corner and watch.

 
Glad we're starting this early :lmao:

As much as it pains me to say it, I think the Patriots win this game. The new Patriots offense without Moss matches up perfectly against the Jets, who can't cover tight ends. I'd expect to see the Patriots abandon the pretense of the running game and instead spread the field to make it more difficult for the Jets to conceal their blitzes. Unless Mark Sanchez plays as well as he did in week 2, this will be a very difficult game for the Jets to win.

On a side note, while I certainly would love for the Jets to win the AFCE, getting the 5 seed and playing the winner of the AFC West isn't the worst thing in the world, because I think the Jets match up fairly well with both the Chiefs and Chargers (better with the Chiefs though)

 
how do you think Sanchez will perform?
I'm not sure. I don't think he will have an outstanding performance, but 4 INTs again might be expecting a bit much, especially with the forecasted weather. The Jets might lean more heavily on the ground and pound, but they haven't been great there this year.
 
No kidding. Jets Pats this week? I didn't know that.

I'll be at the game and I can't wait for it, but I won't be able to turn on ESPN for a week unless I'm in the mood to hear endless talk about this game.

The way the year has unfolded I think you can make an arguement that this is the regular season game of the year. I'm expecting a good game and it will be close. 27-24 Pats.

 
This will be an epic battle and both teams are much different from Week #2.

I will be enjoying the game from Sec 106 Row 1

my seats

 
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Conditions are ripe for a Pats win, which will make it very irritating if the Jets win.

Jets have actually been struggling with getting a pass rush without blitzing. Lots of outlets for Brady with blitzes.

The lack of premiere wrs on the pats actually neutralizes a jets strength -> who cares if revis and cro take away "wr1" and "wr2".

Holmes, Keller and LT are the guys for the Pats to fear. Personally, I would double Holmes at every opportunity.

Will be nice if Mankins can mitigate the blistering Jets D against the run so BGJE can get some. Draws, traps, pitches and screens are still viable regardless.

Would be just like Belichick to try to make Woodhead go off against his former team.

Pats 30

Jets 24

1 TD each for Hernandez and Gronk, 1 for BJGE or Brady, and 3 field goals.

2 TDS for LT, 1 for Braylon, 1 field goal.

all bets are off subject to turnovers...

 
This will be an epic battle and both teams are much different from Week #2.

I will be enjoying the game from Sec 106 Row 1

my seats
It must suck with the chain gang and hyperbolic mic guy getting in your way all the time. Hope you didn't pay too much for those. Bring a phone book so you can see better. HTH.
 
Since the last game, the Jets have a healthy Darrelle Revis and Santonio Holmes. I expect that to make a big difference. Here are Brady's last 5 games against the Jets:

Year G Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A 2007 1 2007-09-09 30-037 NWE NYJ W 38-14 22 28 78.6% 297 3 0 146.6 10.61 12.75 2007 14 2007-12-16 30-135 NWE NYJ W 20-10 14 27 51.9% 140 0 1 51.5 5.19 3.52 2009 2 2009-09-20 32-048 NWE NYJ L 9-16 23 47 48.9% 216 0 1 53.1 4.60 3.64 2009 10 2009-11-22 32-111 NWE NYJ W 31-14 28 41 68.3% 310 1 0 98.6 7.56 8.05 2010 2 2010-09-19 33-047 NWE NYJ L 14-28 20 36 55.6% 248 2 2 72.5 6.89 5.50
That first game came out of a huge performance by Moss; I know the Pats offense has looked great without Moss, but I'm not sure I expect Brady to have a big game on Monday.

And without him having a big game, it will be difficult for NE to win absent a Sanchez implosion.

 
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It's also going to be important to see if Mike Wright and Myron Pryor play. Last week, the Pats only had 4 d-linemen and the Lions were able to have success running the ball. If the Pats D-line is back to full health, running the ball will be much tougher.

 
Since the last game, the Jets have a healthy Darrelle Revis and Santonio Holmes. I expect that to make a big difference. Here are Brady's last 5 games against the Jets:

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Year  G	   Date	Age  Tm  Opp  Result  Cmp  Att  Cmp%   Yds  TD Int  Rate   Y/A  AY/A  2007  1 2007-09-09 30-037 NWE  NYJ W 38-14   22   28 78.6%   297   3   0 146.6 10.61 12.75		 2007 14 2007-12-16 30-135 NWE  NYJ W 20-10   14   27 51.9%   140   0   1  51.5  5.19  3.52	  2009  2 2009-09-20 32-048 NWE  NYJ  L 9-16   23   47 48.9%   216   0   1  53.1  4.60  3.64		2009 10 2009-11-22 32-111 NWE  NYJ W 31-14   28   41 68.3%   310   1   0  98.6  7.56  8.05	2010  2 2010-09-19 33-047 NWE  NYJ L 14-28   20   36 55.6%   248   2   2  72.5  6.89  5.50
That first game came out of a huge performance by Moss; I know the Pats offense has looked great without Moss, but I'm not sure I expect Brady to have a big game on Monday. And without him having a big game, it will be difficult for NE to win absent a Sanchez implosion.
This Brady owner is not liking his recent history v. the Jets. Put my eggs in the Cutler basket? Final score - NE 27 NY-20
 
The jets have been needing game winning drives to beat marginal competition.

Since week 5, NE has beaten Baltimore, San Diego, Minnisota, Pittsburg, Indy and Detroit, pausing to get crushed by the Browns. The last 3 wins have been convincing in most areas with the exception of passing yards against.

The last 7 jets games were victories over Minnisota, Denver, Detroit - OT, Cleveland - OT, Houston, and Cinci, pausing to get blanked by the Packers. Sanchez appears to be able to perform when necessary, which is a big plus for the Jets.

This really is an EPIC matchup, with homefield through the AFC championship likely on the line.

If the Pats happen to lose, it probably will mean they will have to beat the Patriots 3 times in one year to win the superbowl. If they do, hats off to them.

 
Jets 172Pats 0
This is why RN is my current favorite poster.I only wish it went down like that. I don't think this is going to be anyone's blow out. As has been mentioned by several posters, the Pats offense as it stands actually negates some of the Jets' defensive strengths. As was put earlier - who cares if they shut WR1 & 2 down? I'd push that further. Welker or no, we're back to the Pats not having a 1 or 2. It's an offense of role players which works very well for them.I think the Jets need to do a better job of shutting down the middle of the field - which is where they get hurt, especially by the pats. They need to get into brady's face and pressure him, no doubt, but they can't leave that middle open. Brady will dink and dunk them to death.Offensively, they need to get the run game going in a way they haven't in a few games. This requires not only a good game from LT but a good game from Greene, who has to wear the Pats D down. I do think the Jets can exploit the matchups in the secondary with Holmes and a much improved Edwards, but ultimately the run will be important this game. I don't think Sanchez will have a bad game but I don't expect huge numbers from him. It would be nice to see some consistency from Keller as well, but again, I think a healthy dose of LT/Greene is important.I could definitely see this going either way. This is a much better and effective pats team then last time out while the jets have stumbled a few times over the course of the last month. And if they come out flat like they did against Cincy, the pats have a chance to really put the gas on them.
 
Patriots 24 - Jets 20

Brady 200 yards 1 TD, 1 INT

BJGE 50 yards rushing

Woody 40 rush, 40 rec with 1 TD

Welker 7 receptions for 80 yards

Sanchez 190 1 TD, 2 INT

LT 50 yards total, 1 TD

Greene 60 yards rushing

Keller 6 receptions, 80 yards, 1 TD

Holmes 50 yards receiving

Edwards 2 dropped passes, one of which would've been a TD

 
So far not a single poster here has picked the Jets to win. And even I, a hardcore Jets fan, doesn't think they will win. You all know what this means, don't you?

Bet the Jets!

 
If the Pats happen to lose, it probably will mean they will have to beat the Patriots 3 times in one year to win the superbowl. If they do, hats off to them.
I know some think only the Pats can beat the Pats, but I don't think they'll have to go through themselves to make the SB. :lmao:I'm not sure these two teams meet a third time, though who knows. It would be an epic AFC Championship game.
 
Brady 200 yards 1 TD, 1 INT

Sanchez 190 1 TD, 2 INT
That'd be brutal.
Edwards 2 dropped passes, one of which would've been a TD
He's not dropping as many as in the past though. Lately, that'd be Keller.I'd expect a TD for Holmes - if he can get a ball in his hands, he can make stuff happen. We've seen that a lot so far.

So far not a single poster here has picked the Jets to win. And even I, a hardcore Jets fan, doesn't think they will win. You all know what this means, don't you?

Bet the Jets!
I think Jets fans are just being reeeeeeally cautious. we know they've played shaky the last few weeks. I'm optimistic though.
 
In a matchup this big and tight (that's what she said) I pick the home team.
This is how I am leaning. Home field is big in a matchup like this.
Actually, HFA is really small in matchups like this. Generally speaking, HFA is smallest among division rivals in proximity with each other, such as Giants-Eagles, Steelers-Browns, Jets-Patriots, etc. The three biggest parts of HFA -- forcing the other team to travel, greater familiarity with a climate, and greater familiarity with a stadium -- are muted in these instances. As a result, HFA tends to mean little.There are a bunch of posts on this here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?cat=52

But you can also just check for yourself.

E.g., from 1990 to 2009, the Patriots went 10-10 at home against the Jets, scoring 390 points and allowing 372 points. Over that same span, in road games against the Jets, New England went 12-8, outscoring New York 413-405.

Over that 20-year stretch, the Giants went went 10-10 at the Meadowlands, outscoring Philly 391-373. In Philly, the Giants also went 10-10, although were otuscored 446-355.

The Steelers went 11-2 against the new Browns at home, outscoring them 278-162; they have gone 9-2 in Cleveland, too, outscoring them 253-117.

Before this season, 6 of the Jets last 8 wins against the Patriots came in Foxboro. So no, I don't think HFA means much in this series.

 
I'll say 23-17 New England (assuming Cotchery doesn't play, not that it would change much, but it might):

Brady 23/35 208 yds, 2 TD's 0 Ints

BJGE 18/64 1/6 rec

Woodhead 7/48, 2/18 rec

Welker 7/50/1

Branch 5/41

Hernandez 4/40/1

Gronk 3/29

Sanchez 16/27 142yd 1 TD 1 Int

Greene 13/46 1/5 rec

LT 15/76/1 4/23 Rec

Edwards 3/43/1

Holmes 3/33

Keller 4/35

 
Having Mankins back at LG really helps. Neal may not play but Connolly has filled in nicely at both guard spots. The Pats will need to keep Brady relatively clean giving him time to break down the Jets DB's cover schemes. The experience the TE's have gained could be invaluable here giving Brady options he wasn't looking for when Moss was dominating the targets. This is a much better offense when Brady looks for the open man.

The running game has been pretty solid with BJGE and Woodhead; Taylor could be back this week giving them a more deceptive big back option to Ellis.

The Pats will have a tough time with the Jets receiving depth; the defensive statistics don't lie. Roethlisberger and Manning both were without their clutch receivers in Ward and Collie/Clark with receiver drops hurting their offensive efficiency. If Sanchez is on and gets his first read this will be a tough offense for the Pats to stop. They should do a pretty good job of keeping the running game in check but they could get hurt in the middle of the field with slants and by Keller or Cotchery. The Pats need to keep the big plays to a minimum and not get killed by YAC.

The Pats haven't been great on Special Teams. Bringing in Pierre Woods late in the season speaks to this issue.

This should be a great game. The Pats will need to score over 21 to win.

Having played some tough, physical teams will help this young team stay focused and rise to the occasion; Pats 172---Jets 0 :wall:

 
Lets not forget Brady was playing against freakin' Detroit, in a dome, last week. Even Sanchez threw for 336 yards against them. I'm a homer but in the cold, windy weather its not crazy to have some faith in the Jet's pass D, which has looked pretty damn good lately. It's clear that Jet's run defense is > Pat's run offense, and the Jet's run blockers are some of the best in the league (assuming Woody plays). Both teams will be crazy fired up, but I think the Jets will have more fire on both sides of the ball. Jets 24, Pats 20.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
This really is an EPIC matchup, with homefield through the AFC championship likely on the line.
That's what everyone says this week, but it's too early for that. If the Jets win, and then lose at Pittsburgh two weeks later, then the winner of Steelers-Ravens could be the AFC's #1 (since both will have beaten the Jets). If the Pats win, it's much more likely they'll be the #1 (with head-to-head wins over Pittsburgh and Baltimore). But even if the Pats win and then turn around and lose to Green Bay, then the #1 picture could get very sticky again just to break the tie with the Jets. They very easily could both end 5-1 in the division and with the same conference record.
 
As most have said, the Patriots have remade their offense since Moss' departure and they now seem to match up very well with what the Jets want to do on Defense. Slot receivers (Burleson, Harvin) and TEs (like Dreessen for Pete's sake) have seemingly run free over the middle recently. The thought of the Patriot rookie TEs and Welker doing the same is a bit scary. There is a difference though. In most of those games Revis and Cromartie were locked up on very talented outside WRs (Moss, Andre/Calvin Johnson in my examples) that isn't the case here. If we can see that Welker, Hernandez, Woodhead and Gronkowski represent tough machups for Leonard, Pool, Coleman Wilson, Scott, etc.. then you have to know Rex and Pettine see that too. Do you really think that Revis is going to shadow Branch while Welker runs wild on Coleman or Wilson? Will they waste Cromartie on Tate while Hernandez and Gronkowski torch the safeties and LBs? I don't know, but you can bet they are working in practice on the best ways to neutralize those players and I wouldn't be completely shocked to see Revis move inside to shadow Welker. The keys for me are whether or not the Jets can put any pressure on Brady, the Jet running game, and Sanchez avoiding turnovers. The Patriots don't shut people down on defense, they've simply been outscoring everyone. They have held exactly 2 teams under 20 points all year (The Jets have done it 5 times), while the Jets have failed to score 23 points twice (in both losses). I believe the Jets are the more balanced team. They can run it, they can stop the run, they can throw it some and their pass defense is getting better as Revis has gotten healthy. The quick middle of the field passing game of the Patriots does scare me, but I believe the Jets will put up points on this Patriot defense and Rex and Co. will find ways to slow the Pats down enough to win. Jets 24 - Patriots 20

Either way though I'm excited and I expect it to be a good one.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
The jets have been needing game winning drives to beat marginal competition.Since week 5, NE has beaten Baltimore, San Diego, Minnisota, Pittsburg, Indy and Detroit, pausing to get crushed by the Browns. The last 3 wins have been convincing in most areas with the exception of passing yards against.The last 7 jets games were victories over Minnisota, Denver, Detroit - OT, Cleveland - OT, Houston, and Cinci, pausing to get blanked by the Packers. Sanchez appears to be able to perform when necessary, which is a big plus for the Jets.This really is an EPIC matchup, with homefield through the AFC championship likely on the line.If the Pats happen to lose, it probably will mean they will have to beat the Patriots 3 times in one year to win the superbowl. If they do, hats off to them.
So we dismiss the "crushing" loss to the Browns but the Jets were lucky to beat a marginal team? Can't have it both ways.
 
Chase Stuart said:
nysportsfan said:
Billy Costigan Jr said:
In a matchup this big and tight (that's what she said) I pick the home team.
This is how I am leaning. Home field is big in a matchup like this.
Actually, HFA is really small in matchups like this. Generally speaking, HFA is smallest among division rivals in proximity with each other, such as Giants-Eagles, Steelers-Browns, Jets-Patriots, etc. The three biggest parts of HFA -- forcing the other team to travel, greater familiarity with a climate, and greater familiarity with a stadium -- are muted in these instances. As a result, HFA tends to mean little.There are a bunch of posts on this here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?cat=52

But you can also just check for yourself.

E.g., from 1990 to 2009, the Patriots went 10-10 at home against the Jets, scoring 390 points and allowing 372 points. Over that same span, in road games against the Jets, New England went 12-8, outscoring New York 413-405.

Over that 20-year stretch, the Giants went went 10-10 at the Meadowlands, outscoring Philly 391-373. In Philly, the Giants also went 10-10, although were otuscored 446-355.

The Steelers went 11-2 against the new Browns at home, outscoring them 278-162; they have gone 9-2 in Cleveland, too, outscoring them 253-117.

Before this season, 6 of the Jets last 8 wins against the Patriots came in Foxboro. So no, I don't think HFA means much in this series.
How dare you respond to me with facts? Nah, awesome stuff. I'm more encouraged by this :shrug:
 
Dolphin fan perspective here - I will be rooting for the Pats. The only way for Miami to get into the playoffs is if NE wins. Follow my logic here and correct me if I'm wrong. If the Jets lose to NE and Miami beats Cleveland Sunday, Miami gains a game. Then Miami needs to upset the Jets in NJ the following week. Now Miami is 8-5 and NYJ at 9-4. Miami then has Det and Buff and finish with NE but NE will probably have clinched the #1 seed by then since the Jets would have 5 losses and NE has beaten all the other AFC teams that have a shot at the #1 seed. So far so good. Then all Miami needs is a Jet loss to Pitts giving the Jets 5 losses. At 11-5 Miami and the Jets will have the same division, conference and common opponent record. And that's if the Jets can beat Chicago. Its possible that the Jets end up 10-6.

I will make my prediction now - The Jets will not make the playoffs. Don't forget if my scenerio comes through, the Jets lose tie breakers to Balt and Pitt since they would have lost to both.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
The jets have been needing game winning drives to beat marginal competition.Since week 5, NE has beaten Baltimore, San Diego, Minnisota, Pittsburg, Indy and Detroit, pausing to get crushed by the Browns. The last 3 wins have been convincing in most areas with the exception of passing yards against.The last 7 jets games were victories over Minnisota, Denver, Detroit - OT, Cleveland - OT, Houston, and Cinci, pausing to get blanked by the Packers. Sanchez appears to be able to perform when necessary, which is a big plus for the Jets.This really is an EPIC matchup, with homefield through the AFC championship likely on the line.If the Pats happen to lose, it probably will mean they will have to beat the Patriots 3 times in one year to win the superbowl. If they do, hats off to them.
So we dismiss the "crushing" loss to the Browns but the Jets were lucky to beat a marginal team? Can't have it both ways.
Didnt say the browns were marginal. detroit is marginal. houston is marginal. spot me the browns game and i'll spot you getting shutout by the pack.
 
Lets not forget Brady was playing against freakin' Detroit, in a dome, last week. Even Sanchez threw for 336 yards against them. I'm a homer but in the cold, windy weather its not crazy to have some faith in the Jet's pass D, which has looked pretty damn good lately. It's clear that Jet's run defense is > Pat's run offense, and the Jet's run blockers are some of the best in the league (assuming Woody plays). Both teams will be crazy fired up, but I think the Jets will have more fire on both sides of the ball. Jets 24, Pats 20.
yeah, pretty sure the pats will take this game lightly.
 
I really like the Jets to win. I think they play better defense than the Patriots.

The Jets won the 1st time they played and since then, Revis has gotten his legs under him, the Jets have S. Holmes now playing for them and the Patriots lost Moss who caught a TD the game they played, what's not to like?

The only thing the Pats have going for them is they are at home.

24-14 Jets

 
Lets not forget Brady was playing against freakin' Detroit, in a dome, last week. Even Sanchez threw for 336 yards against them. I'm a homer but in the cold, windy weather its not crazy to have some faith in the Jet's pass D, which has looked pretty damn good lately. It's clear that Jet's run defense is > Pat's run offense, and the Jet's run blockers are some of the best in the league (assuming Woody plays). Both teams will be crazy fired up, but I think the Jets will have more fire on both sides of the ball. Jets 24, Pats 20.
yeah, pretty sure the pats will take this game lightly.
I didn't say they will take it lightly. Just think Rex does a better job of firing up his guys than Beli does (or Brady when he goes on a hissy-fit and starts screaming at everyone).
 
I really like the Jets to win. I think they play better defense than the Patriots. The Jets won the 1st time they played and since then, Revis has gotten his legs under him, the Jets have S. Holmes now playing for them and the Patriots lost Moss who caught a TD the game they played, what's not to like?The only thing the Pats have going for them is they are at home.24-14 Jets
Jets were also missing Pace that day. The Pats have added Mankins and Branch back into the fold. I don't think you can use the first game as any indication of who the better team is. It was early in the year and a lot has changed. IMO, this one is a total toss up. I'm somewhat confident, but considering the 2 brain farts that Schottenheimer and the offense have had this year when they've had more than a week of prep time (season opener vs Baltimore and after the bye vs GB) anything is possible.
 
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Jets were also missing Pace that day. The Pats have added Mankins and Branch back into the fold.

I don't think you can use the first game as any indication of who the better team is. It was early in the year and a lot has changed.

IMO, this one is a total toss up. I'm somewhat confident, but considering the 2 brain farts that Schottenheimer and the offense have had this year when they've had more than a week of prep time (season opener vs Baltimore and after the bye vs GB) anything is possible.
If Shotty hasn't learned to avoid the complicated packages and pre-snap motions by now and just K.I.S.S by now he is the most stubborn O-coordinator in the NFL (he might already be). This guy really bugs me sometimes, but the Jets are getting W's so it's hard to complain.
 
What is the Revis effect on Welker? Do we see his resurgence drop back or expect Branch to be shut down and Welker to shine?

 
I think the Pats without Moss is actually a tougher matchup for the Jets defense. With Moss, you

put Revis on him. Done. Now the Pats offense spreads the ball around much more, especially to

the TE's and Welker over the middle. Welker has often had big games against the Jets with double

digit receptions.

That is where the soft spot is in the Jets pass defense, the middle. Unless Ryan comes up with something

to defend the middle, I like the Pats. Welker, Woodhead and the TE's could all have big days, again, unless

Ryan tries something new.

For NY to win, I think Sanchez has to throw for near 300 yards and find ways to exploit a soft NE secondary.

The Jets running game in no where near as good as it was last year. I think Sanchez has to hit on at least

two big plays and the offense needs to score 28 or more in this game.

Despite the fact that I think NE wins, the homer in me says Jets 28-27.

It will likely come down to a missed FG, and advantage Pats in that area.

 
Raider Nation said:
You can always tell when Chase has been in a thread.

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:popcorn: This should be a fun game to watch, but I want it over with. I hate all the hoopla already.

I don't trust the Pats secondary 1 iota. Please be a super stud, Mccourty!!!

 
I think the Pats without Moss is actually a tougher matchup for the Jets defense. With Moss, youput Revis on him. Done. Now the Pats offense spreads the ball around much more, especially to the TE's and Welker over the middle. Welker has often had big games against the Jets with doubledigit receptions. That is where the soft spot is in the Jets pass defense, the middle. Unless Ryan comes up with something to defend the middle, I like the Pats. Welker, Woodhead and the TE's could all have big days, again, unless Ryan tries something new. For NY to win, I think Sanchez has to throw for near 300 yards and find ways to exploit a soft NE secondary. The Jets running game in no where near as good as it was last year. I think Sanchez has to hit on at leasttwo big plays and the offense needs to score 28 or more in this game. Despite the fact that I think NE wins, the homer in me says Jets 28-27. It will likely come down to a missed FG, and advantage Pats in that area.
:no: Graham sucks.
 

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