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Hey I'm sure we can go back and find something on a lot of plays. But a few of these are plays that I have brought up time and again and NOT ONE person crying foul on the Saints have replied to any of these. As I have stated before, the non call on S. Rice grabbing Greer's arm was huge and effected the game as much as any other call. But no matter what's called you never know what the outcome may have been. If the refs make that easy call maybe the Saints end up losing. Who knows.
Blame Gopher State.
Not as much as Rice was reaching for Greer's arm?
Before all the "Vikings got screwed" and "Saints were handed the game" posts this seemed to be the sentiment of most fans... Calls went the Saints way late and the calls went the Vikes way early. It wasn't until all the non Saints fans failed to ackowledge that any calls went the Vikes way and all the calls went the Saints way that things started to get a little confrontational. Just like Viking Dave in the post above saying "reach much?" Even with it right in front of their noses they won't come across...
yea, and he barely made contact, and the pass hit him in his shoulder, he wasnt catching that if he was alone on the field...Not as much as Rice was reaching for Greer's arm?
dont even get me started on the OT calls...I just hope you sent the refs a nice card, at least keep them on your holiday card list...
LOL too funny. He's grabbing Greer's right arm and pulling it back. Heck if you pause it the ball's not even in the shot yet when he starts grabbing him. It hits him in the shoulder because he can't get his (grabbed) arm up to catch the ball.yea, and he barely made contact, and the pass hit him in his shoulder, he wasnt catching that if he was alone on the field...Not as much as Rice was reaching for Greer's arm?
Please see the 5 other threads on this topic...it's already been covered
so you DO have them on your Christmas list...good to know...Please see the 5 other threads on this topic...it's already been covered
if you say so...LOL too funny. He's grabbing Greer's right arm and pulling it back. Heck if you pause it the ball's not even in the shot yet when he starts grabbing him. It hits him in the shoulder because he can't get his (grabbed) arm up to catch the ball.yea, and he barely made contact, and the pass hit him in his shoulder, he wasnt catching that if he was alone on the field...Not as much as Rice was reaching for Greer's arm?
I'll let you know after the next gameso you DO have them on your Christmas list...good to know...Please see the 5 other threads on this topic...it's already been covered
$100 says Viking Dave didn't watch the video.if you say so...LOL too funny. He's grabbing Greer's right arm and pulling it back. Heck if you pause it the ball's not even in the shot yet when he starts grabbing him. It hits him in the shoulder because he can't get his (grabbed) arm up to catch the ball.yea, and he barely made contact, and the pass hit him in his shoulder, he wasnt catching that if he was alone on the field...Not as much as Rice was reaching for Greer's arm?
you can send that $100 my way...like I said, reach much...the Leber "hit" to the head, get the F*** out, he skimmed the top of his helmet...the Brees roughing, nope, he didnt pick his ### up off the ground and slam him down like the Saints did Favre...you guys won, I dont see what you have to defend...if we would have won I wouldnt give two ####s what anyone said...Im pissed cause the best team in the NFC isnt in the SB, everyone who watched the game knows we were the better team, unfortunately we were also the worst team and cost ourselves the game...it happens, and it sucks...the calls in regulation I could live with, the OT calls piss me off the most, especialy since we never got to touch the ball...enjoy the SB...
This is what irks me. You say "I don't see what you have to defend," followed in the next paragraph by "I'm pissed cause the best team in the NFC isn't in the SB." I'm defending the fact that the best team is in fact representing the NFC. Last I checked, points decided the winner, not yards. And TOs and special teams are part of the game. This isn't fantasy football.
It's very simple, the Vikings fumbled the game away. The refs helped a bit too but that's been happening all year so it is what it is. I highly doubt the colts will give up the ball as much as the Vikings did and they should easily win by two or more TDs. Congrats on getting there though! Major achievement either way!
the best team doesnt always win...enjoy the game...
the best team doesnt always win...enjoy the game...
Yardage doesn't decide the game...enjoy the denial...
The team that makes the fewest mistakes usually wins.
How ya figure? Not only did the Saints score more points than the Vikings in this game . . . they also had the better record during the regular season and the #1 seed. How are the Vikings the better team? Some calls went against the Vikings, some calls went against the Saints. Happens every NFL game. Time to admit the Vikings got beat by the better team.
It's exceptionally clear on the video.if you say so...LOL too funny. He's grabbing Greer's right arm and pulling it back. Heck if you pause it the ball's not even in the shot yet when he starts grabbing him. It hits him in the shoulder because he can't get his (grabbed) arm up to catch the ball.yea, and he barely made contact, and the pass hit him in his shoulder, he wasnt catching that if he was alone on the field...Not as much as Rice was reaching for Greer's arm?
Are you kidding? He gives a forearm shiver to Brees who's already being tackled. look how far his head cocks to the side from the hit! Seriously, there were some bad and borderline calls on both sides but don't deny what's blatantly true and backed up by video. Holy cow.You want to see someone barely being touched look at the late hit out of bounds called on the Saints in the first half. Worst call of the game IMO.
they didnt call it on the late hit, they called the flag on the cheap shot on Favre after the handoff...
Ususally the best team doesn't choke away every opportunity and every gift call from the refs. 
The Saints were not penalized for a late hit out of bounds. This kind of discounts the rest of your post, since it seems you didn't watch the game.
The refs called it that and I forgot it was changed. I was corrected and admitted my mistake. Doesn't change the fact at all that Brees took a forearm to the head and it wasn't called. Nice try.
I'm think the penalty ended up being a roughing call on Favre but I'm pretty sure the ref said late hit out of bounds when he made the call on the field.
Actually I think what happened is that Joe Buck initially called it that, not the ref. And I just posted a link in the other thread where Mike Pereira affirmed that it was the right call for the hit on Favre after the handoff.
You didn't admit any mistake in this thread. Nice try? I wasn't responding to anything about the forearm to Brees's head... I agree that could have been called. I am aware of a total of two non-calls that could have been calls made in favor of the Saints - the non-call on the hit to Brees's head and the offensive PI non-call against Rice. So? Those two calls combined don't really come close to the impact of the calls/non-calls that went against the Vikings.
No, the ref actually called it a late hit out of bounds when the penalty was announced.
Sorry, which calls/non-calls that went against the Vikings? The one that was discussed by Pereira was the missed call on Favre's low tackle. What other calls/non-calls are you referring to that the Saints don't come close to in impact?
OK, didn't remember that.
Those two calls combined don't come close to the impact of the single missed call on hitting Favre low. Anything above and beyond that just makes it worse.I've posted elsewhere about it, and I think you and I have discussed it in other threads. I think the spot on the 4th and inches in OT was wrong and it should have been short, meaning Vikings ball. That's the biggest one besides the low hit on Favre. But I also think holding calls against Jared Allen and possibly a bad block on the Saints' 40 yard kickoff return in OT were missed.
I did it in the other Saints thread, sorry I got them mixed up since they are essentially the same thread. You said my post lost credibility because I forgot that despite the ref saying it was late hit out of boumds it was the hit on Favre. Since I talked about the Brees hit, I naturally assumed you discounted that since that's what you said. It also kind of proves that I watched the game since the ref called it late hit out of bounds during the game. Wouldn't have known that if I didn't watch it would I?And yes, they do equate. They are terrible calls or noncalls and affected the outcome as much as any other call. An easy pick that didn't happen because of an OPI wouldn't have massive impact? Sure, if you say so. I guess changing possession and field position don't affect tha outcome at all.
The P. Thomas spot was discussed by Pereira. He agreed with the decision.
You may not agree but that's coming from Pereira whom you were quick to point out elsewhere agreed with you on a few other calls. Of course, you left out the part where he didn't agree with you on PT.He also discussed the Meachem catch and how there wasn't enough to overturn. Oh, and the NFL supported the call on the PI call:
This is coming from the guys admitting there was a mistake on the no call on Favre.Now, you want to say the missed penalty on Favre is > the missed OPI on Rice and the Brees strike to the head, then fine. I don't agree, but that's fine if you feel that way.
I'm a bit confused by what you're saying here. The Saints wouldn't have gotten a pick regardless. What was missed is an offensive pass interference call. If I'm correct, the play happened on 1st down on the drive when eventually Berrian fumbled in the red zone. So it could have been 1st & 20 instead of 2nd & 10 on that drive. I'm not sure that would have made a big difference. Can you enlighten me?
I doubt it, you seem to have some serious blinders on.
Why are you bringing up the Meachem call and the PI call? I didn't mention them here, and I have agreed/conceded on those.As for the Thomas spot, I don't know where your quote comes from, but I've seen one from Periera that says that it was too difficult to tell if he lost control of the ball or if the ball was spotted correctly. The quote I'm referring to has been posted in one of these threads. My take on the play is that, basically, the official view is it's too hard to tell from all visual evidence. Which tells me that they could easily have missed the initial spot. And based on my view of the replays, that's what happened. I get that Saints fans, including you, disagree. Fine. But I've watched it over and over, and I'm convinced that he should have been marked short. You aren't changing my view. And that was one of the biggest calls/non-calls of the game.As for the missed holding against Allen, I mentioned it mainly because there has been a Saints fan posting multiple times in these threads that they could have called holding against the Saints for holding Allen on nearly every play. I don't think that is the case, but I did notice a couple times during the game that I thought it might be called and it wasn't.Regardless, IMO the non-call on the low hit on Favre trumps all bad calls/non-calls that favored the Vikings, and the bad spot on Thomas's 4th & inches just makes it that much worse.
I get it, so you can't actually respond to my post. Who has the blinders on?
1. I brought them up because, while you may have conceded those, others haven't. Those were 2 of the OT trifecta that initially had Vikings fans (and some others) up in arms. 2. On the P. Thomas spot, yes, they may have missed the spot. I don't think so, but it's possible that his initial leap didn't cross. What I don't think happened is he lost control of the ball and Pereira said the same as I did that he may have maintained sufficient possession with his right hand. But, that's an EXTREMELY difficult call to make when the play happens and spotting the ball. Spotting the ball is often an inexact science. And, unless the error is terrible and indisputable, it's usually not overturned. That's what happened here. Were the Saints fortunate where he spotted it? Of course. Do I think it was a bad spot? No, not really. Could he have been short? Absolutely. Was there enough to overturn it? Not even close. You had the benefit of watching it multiple times. Well, the ref gets one shot during live action. I can tell you that when you watch the play in regular speed, it certainly appears that he crosses the 1st down marker with his initial leap. Either way, the call the refs made and their upholding of the call is pretty consistent with similar calls in many other games and certainly wasn't a complete botch like many have claimed. Pereira agrees.3. Likewise, I thought the Vikings got away with a couple holds, but that happens in every game. There certainly weren't any blatant holds that resulted in big plays. You think the low hit on Favre trumps all bad calls. I don't. I completely agree it was missed. I know the play resulted in an INT. But, there is no way to know what would have happened afterward. Also, after going over all the penalties, missed calls, etc., that's really the only one that has merit. If we come away from a game with only one really bad call/missed call, then I don't consider that a huge failure. In fact, what I initially thought was a poorly officiated game I actually think they did quite well considering how close some of these were. Let's just say I've seen far worse. The Saints certainly are fortunate the call was missed but I also don't think that call being made guarantees a Viking's win as it completely changes the dynamics of the game. And I certainly don't think that, just because of that one missed call, the Saints got bailed out by the refs to the extreme that others are making it out to be. There was initially a laundry list of calls that supposedly went the Saints way and that list has been essentially cut down to that one missed call. With the refs missing some for the Saints, even if the Favre miss had more impact, the ref wasn't "one-sided".
Just pointing out that for every bad call against the Vikes there was one against the Saints. What else do you want to know?
The impact of the calls was not the same. If you can't see that, you're the one with blinders on.
A lot of people are saying the Vikings got screwed because of 3 questionable calls in overtime. I guarantee that if the NFL had on OT period that allowed both teams to touch the ball and the Vikings had a chance to match that score but were unable to, then there wouldn't be any #####ing. It just "felt" unfair because the refs were at least partially responsible for putting the Saints in FG range, whether you agree with the calls or not. So, blame the NFL's OT rules for the screwing if you want, but it was a farce.
