NFL Admits they blew call on Favre's INT (1 Viewer)

[QuizGuy66]

See now with Fantasy Football Replay, the Vikings will now be in the Super Bowl

-QG

 

[Doug B]

Good grief, can you Saints fans get any more defensive?

Where's this cool, laid-back fan base that would take Gopher's OP in stride?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Surprised so many Saints fans are going the "stop crying about it" route. Seems like a defensive position to take. Nobody is saying the game's score should be reversed, but non-biased fans recognize that, in a close game like that, referee errors played a role in one team winning. Both played hard, but the NFL admitted a mistake there. It made a difference.That doesn't mean the Saints are a fraud. It just means that things went their way and a mistake helped them in the game. They might have won anyway; it was the 3rd quarter, after all. But nobody is crying about it; just pointing out a fact. Saints fans are acting awfully defensive. It's like you're trying to protect something. There really isn't anything to protect yet. There's still one game on the schedule. Win that and your team wipes away all those years of frustration. But if you don't win, none of this really matters anyway. Being the Super Bowl loser isn't going to validate anyone, so please wait until you win it all before you worry that people are trying to take something away from you.

Go read all of the other threads where people are trying to take the win away from us. It's just very annoying when virtually every call went the Vikings way during regulation to the tune of a 15/88 advantage in penalty yardage and a 4 to 1 advantage in first downs awarded by penalty and then after the game all we hear is that we won because of the officials.

Then please allow me to offer the same advice Saints fans have been offering Vikings fans: Get over it. I thought it was a great game with a fun ending. I didn't care who won so I got to enjoy the whole thing. I didn't hear people say you won because of the officials. But, to be fair, I can point to three big plays NOT including the Favre third quarter hit. In overtime, there was the 4th down play, the PI play and the final "catch" that all went the Saints' way. I'll just say any or all could have gone the other way as well.Change any of those plays and the game probably keeps going-- which probably means the Vikings turn it over again and the Saints still win. Nobody is taking away the win. But it's been long enough that you should be able to be a little more objective, or at least a little less defensive. Like "Hey, yeah, we got some breaks, but we took advantage of them and Favre chose to throw the INT on his own. They turned the ball over five times, so they deserved to lose. Who Dat?"You know, be like that. Don't have a chip on your shoulder the whole time.

 

[Doug B]

Not a champion and not erasing decades of shame.

Decades of shame? That's taking sports just a little too seriously. It's not like New Orleans natives have to hide their origins when they travel/work in other cities because of the awful stigma of the Saints.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Sorry, the Super Bowl isn't like "Who wants to be a millionaire?" You don't get "locked in" to any dollar values. Ask the Patriots how good 18-1 felt. You can win ALL of them, but not winning the last one means the job wasn't done.I know you want to hold on to something if the team loses. It was a special season and you'll be proud regardless of what happens. You should be. The Jets fans are proud, too. But in the world of professional football the story is about the team that won. The champion. If the team loses it's "great season, good run...but Manning Manning Manning." I did some research, and it turns out the Bears were in a Super Bowl a few years ago. Weird, right? But look it up. It's true. I'm sure the fans were proud their team was there...but who was the story that year? Hint: The same team unless New Orleans takes care of business. The Bears are an afterthought now; the "opponent" that set the stage for Manning DVDs and Colts memories. And, like it or not, that will be the Saints unless they finish the job.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Not a champion and not erasing decades of shame.

Decades of shame? That's taking sports just a little too seriously. It's not like New Orleans natives have to hide their origins when they travel/work in other cities because of the awful stigma of the Saints.

Well, I was responding to lodnerpantz, who was waxing poetic about the special bond between Saints fan and the team; the franchise and the city. I was accepting his premise and following up on it. I don't think Saints fans should be ashamed of being from the city, but the team has been pretty pathetic over the decades. As a football fan, they could be ashamed of the product on the field and nobody would blame them. Perhaps I should have said "decades of shameful results on the football field" or something. Whatever you want to call it, being runner-up to the Colts won't really cut it. You gotta close the deal. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Phurfur]

Don't get me wrong, the Saints and their fans want to beat Indy more than anything - from a football perspective, we are not "just happy to be there," but if Indy wins, it will take absolutely nothing away from what this season has meant.

You are right about 2 things, though: it might not happen for another 40 years, and we will have fun.

x 100Love the view point that "losing the Super Bowl" = "going 0-16". No, no one said exactly that ... but some of the takes in here, extended to their logical conclusions, mean the exact same thing.

Sorry, the Super Bowl isn't like "Who wants to be a millionaire?" You don't get "locked in" to any dollar values. Ask the Patriots how good 18-1 felt. You can win ALL of them, but not winning the last one means the job wasn't done.I know you want to hold on to something if the team loses. It was a special season and you'll be proud regardless of what happens. You should be. The Jets fans are proud, too. But in the world of professional football the story is about the team that won. The champion. If the team loses it's "great season, good run...but Manning Manning Manning."

I did some research, and it turns out the Bears were in a Super Bowl a few years ago. Weird, right? But look it up. It's true. I'm sure the fans were proud their team was there...but who was the story that year? Hint: The same team unless New Orleans takes care of business. The Bears are an afterthought now; the "opponent" that set the stage for Manning DVDs and Colts memories. And, like it or not, that will be the Saints unless they finish the job.

This "proud" thing really creeps me out.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Five turnovers.

They have nothing to complain about.

Five.

I haven't heard the Vikings complaining about it.

OK I will tell you why Saints fans are defensive...because guys who supposedly "have no dog in the fight" seem to only wanna post one sided. They say the refs cost the Vikes the game...

Well, I never said that, but I think the Saints definitely benefited greatly by some questionable officiating - the non-call on the low hit on Favre, the questionable PI call in OT, the Meachem "catch" in OT, etc. - but they made more plays at the end of the game and won. Had those calls been made differently, we have no idea how the game would have turned out, but we do know that with several close, questionable calls going NO's way, they still barely won in OT, so it is not like the Saints won handily and a bad call or two made them win by 17 instead of 10 or something like that.

Good grief, can you Saints fans get any more defensive?

Where's this cool, laid-back fan base that would take Gopher's OP in stride?

All Gopher did was post the story where the NFL admitted that they blew a call that went in NO's favor and took a red zone possession away from Minnesota. Would it have made you feel better had it been posted by someone who wasn't a Vikings fan?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Also, as a fan of the game, who wasn't really rooting for either team, I was very disappointed when the winning kick went through the uprights. I hated seeing the Saints win after getting those calls in OT; I would rather they had missed the kick and then came back to win later. I thought the game deserved a cleaner ending than that, but oh well, that's the way it goes.

 

[Chaka]

Five turnovers.They have nothing to complain about.Five.

I haven't heard the Vikings complaining about it.

Five turnovers.Vikings fans have nothing to complain about...at least not about the refs. Their teams ball handling skills are another issue.Five.Better?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

The refs always suck. The PI on Tracy Porter on the great catch by Shianco was awful, the PI on Porter on the pass into the endzone, the roughing penalty on McCray's hit on Fave, numerous uncalled holding penalties, no offensive PI on S. Rice on a pass to Tracy Porter, blowing a play dead on offsides by the defense (not giving the offense a free play) are all awful calls the refs made.

The Dave Thomas PI was handled terribly by FOX's replay crew. Almost all of the replay clips, aside from the one from the far endzone started after the "contact" occurred. If there was a defensive penalty, I would have thought it would have been defensive holding live, but after watching the replay, I can't tell from the replay angles.

Did they mention the Meachem catch or the Thomas spot in OT, I'm pretty sure the NFL would uphold those calls as they were close.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Lets have refs for the refs!

Or better yet no refs at all...

Those are the only other two options.....

Lets have replay for replay, so we can call penalties after we review it...

Or how bout we just play the whole game, watch it over and if a ref screwed up...award the other team the win or play the whole game over again.

Or just maybe realize, refs may miss calls!

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Lets have refs for the refs!Or better yet no refs at all...Those are the only other two options.....Lets have replay for replay, so we can call penalties after we review it...Or how bout we just play the whole game, watch it over and if a ref screwed up...award the other team the win or play the whole game over again.Or just maybe realize, refs may miss calls!

let's just accept guys doing their job terribly on this stage.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

 

[Sundog]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.

That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.

To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

Eh, I agree to a point but I also think you should cut them some slack. You know the phrase "act like you've been there before?" Well, they haven't, and it kind of shows. But as a fan who doesn't support either team, it was evenly-matched. If they played 10 times, I wouldn't be surprised if each team won five. Minnesota wouldn't turn the ball over that often, but Brees would probably play better, too.

 

[az_prof]

Anyone who can't admit that the reffing was HORRIBLE and that it impacted the outcome is either lying to themselves or stupid. It is shameful that the NFL cannot referee games, especially playoff games, better. Simply inexcusable.

That being said, the Vikings could have overcome the bad calls and won the game and so the loss is still on them. But for the love of God I have been watching football for 40 years and even with instant replay I am still amazed at how bad the refereeing is. I really wish the NFL would simplify rules so that there is less "judgement" on the part of refs.

 

[Chaka]

Anyone who can't admit that the reffing was HORRIBLE and that it impacted the outcome is either lying to themselves or stupid. It is shameful that the NFL cannot referee games, especially playoff games, better. Simply inexcusable.That being said, the Vikings could have overcome the bad calls and won the game and so the loss is still on them. But for the love of God I have been watching football for 40 years and even with instant replay I am still amazed at how bad the refereeing is. I really wish the NFL would simplify rules so that there is less "judgement" on the part of refs.

The referees didn't cause six Vikings fumbles or two interceptions (they may have missed a call on the first pick but Favre still threw the pick).This was hardly the poster child for poorly refereed games.I am still amazed at how many people expect other humans to be infallible.

 

[The Kerminator]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.

That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.

To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

They weren't? The scoreboard shows they were the better team that day. Now the Vikings may win 9 out of 10 games but the Saints were the better team that day, and that's all that counts.Bottom line is, with the bad calls (and let's not pretend that bad calls have never happened before) the Vikings were in position to win the game at the end. And they (Favre) didn't make the play. The Saints did.

 

[Sundog]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

Eh, I agree to a point but I also think you should cut them some slack. You know the phrase "act like you've been there before?" Well, they haven't, and it kind of shows. But as a fan who doesn't support either team, it was evenly-matched. If they played 10 times, I wouldn't be surprised if each team won five. Minnesota wouldn't turn the ball over that often, but Brees would probably play better, too.

Agreed

 

[Pnishthm]

Five turnovers.

They have nothing to complain about.

Five.

I haven't heard the Vikings complaining about it.

OK I will tell you why Saints fans are defensive...because guys who supposedly "have no dog in the fight" seem to only wanna post one sided. They say the refs cost the Vikes the game...

Well, I never said that, but I think the Saints definitely benefited greatly by some questionable officiating - the non-call on the low hit on Favre, the questionable PI call in OT, the Meachem "catch" in OT, etc. - but they made more plays at the end of the game and won. Had those calls been made differently, we have no idea how the game would have turned out, but we do know that with several close, questionable calls going NO's way, they still barely won in OT, so it is not like the Saints won handily and a bad call or two made them win by 17 instead of 10 or something like that.

Good grief, can you Saints fans get any more defensive?

Where's this cool, laid-back fan base that would take Gopher's OP in stride?

All Gopher did was post the story where the NFL admitted that they blew a call that went in NO's favor and took a red zone possession away from Minnesota. Would it have made you feel better had it been posted by someone who wasn't a Vikings fan?

This is the typical responce I wrote about...you guys quote only what you want and avoid the rest. Where's my answers on the other calls? Ignored like always.

 

[Sundog]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.

That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.

To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

They weren't? The scoreboard shows they were the better team that day. Now the Vikings may win 9 out of 10 games but the Saints were the better team that day, and that's all that counts.Bottom line is, with the bad calls (and let's not pretend that bad calls have never happened before) the Vikings were in position to win the game at the end. And they (Favre) didn't make the play. The Saints did.

That's what I said, Prawn.

 

[Zigg]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

Eh, I agree to a point but I also think you should cut them some slack. You know the phrase "act like you've been there before?" Well, they haven't, and it kind of shows. But as a fan who doesn't support either team, it was evenly-matched. If they played 10 times, I wouldn't be surprised if each team won five. Minnesota wouldn't turn the ball over that often, but Brees would probably play better, too.

Since the game ended, people have been going on and on about how the Saints didn't deserve to win. Does it really surprise you that Saints fans are getting a touch sensitive? People give the Vikings all the credit for the yardage disparity, yet the Saints were lucky to get the TOs to keep them in the game. People cry about the officiating, yet the only questionable call(the high low) was proceeded by an equally questionable call. People cry about the officiating in OT, yet EVERY SINGLE CALL WAS THE RIGHT CALL. The majority of the time someone tries to give the Saints credit, it is followed by a "yeah but."Saints fans are sensitive because so many are trying to diminish the greatest moment in franchise history. So every time a thread is started trying to slight the Saints, expect us to come running to defend them.

 

[Pnishthm]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

Eh, I agree to a point but I also think you should cut them some slack. You know the phrase "act like you've been there before?" Well, they haven't, and it kind of shows. But as a fan who doesn't support either team, it was evenly-matched. If they played 10 times, I wouldn't be surprised if each team won five. Minnesota wouldn't turn the ball over that often, but Brees would probably play better, too.

Since the game ended, people have been going on and on about how the Saints didn't deserve to win. Does it really surprise you that Saints fans are getting a touch sensitive? People give the Vikings all the credit for the yardage disparity, yet the Saints were lucky to get the TOs to keep them in the game. People cry about the officiating, yet the only questionable call(the high low) was proceeded by an equally questionable call. People cry about the officiating in OT, yet EVERY SINGLE CALL WAS THE RIGHT CALL. The majority of the time someone tries to give the Saints credit, it is followed by a "yeah but."Saints fans are sensitive because so many are trying to diminish the greatest moment in franchise history. So every time a thread is started trying to slight the Saints, expect us to come running to defend them.

 

[Doug B]

Good grief, can you Saints fans get any more defensive?

Where's this cool, laid-back fan base that would take Gopher's OP in stride?

All Gopher did was post the story where the NFL admitted that they blew a call that went in NO's favor and took a red zone possession away from Minnesota. Would it have made you feel better had it been posted by someone who wasn't a Vikings fan?

All Gopher did? He's got a history, he wasn't posting in innocence. He posts the same thing about any other NFL sqaud, and the rest of the thread is the same.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I've said a number of times now, the Vikings deserved to lose, and the Saints deserved to win. All of these things, like the refs, the 12 men on the field, Favre's INT, AP's fumbling, don't matter -- the scoreboard tells the tale.That said, I'm a little taken back by the lack of recognition by some of the Saints fans in this forum... their team played well, and ended up on top, but there doesn't seem to be an awareness of how close they came to losing -- OT at home, with the Vikings giving up 5 turnovers, and all this other stuff that's coming out after the game. To a large extent, the Vikings lost this game when they lost to Carolina & Chicago, forfeiting home field advantage. The Saints were up when the game ended, but they weren't clearly the better team that day, as it seems many Saints fans in these forums seem to feel.To the Viking fans here that are lamenting how this game turned out... I'm with ya, but to paraphrase Jimmy Dugan.. "there's no whining in football!"

Eh, I agree to a point but I also think you should cut them some slack. You know the phrase "act like you've been there before?" Well, they haven't, and it kind of shows. But as a fan who doesn't support either team, it was evenly-matched. If they played 10 times, I wouldn't be surprised if each team won five. Minnesota wouldn't turn the ball over that often, but Brees would probably play better, too.

Since the game ended, people have been going on and on about how the Saints didn't deserve to win. Does it really surprise you that Saints fans are getting a touch sensitive? People give the Vikings all the credit for the yardage disparity, yet the Saints were lucky to get the TOs to keep them in the game. People cry about the officiating, yet the only questionable call(the high low) was proceeded by an equally questionable call. People cry about the officiating in OT, yet EVERY SINGLE CALL WAS THE RIGHT CALL. The majority of the time someone tries to give the Saints credit, it is followed by a "yeah but."Saints fans are sensitive because so many are trying to diminish the greatest moment in franchise history. So every time a thread is started trying to slight the Saints, expect us to come running to defend them.

Like I said, I cut Saints fans slack because this is new territory for them. They've never been here before. Now they're hyper-sensitive. It's almost like YOU don't think the team deserves to be here. They do; stop acting like you're waiting to be insulted. It's your OPINION that 100 percent of those calls were the right ones. I think many objective fans would disagree. You think it somehow takes away from the win, like you can't afford to admit they caught a few breaks. It shouldn't tarnish anything for you. Teams catch breaks. They have to take advantage of them. And maybe you get a "yeah but" because the team hasn't accomplished the goal yet. The Chargers, Falcons, Seahawks and Cardinals were all in your position. They all made a Super Bowl once. Really, it doesn't matter all that much in the long run unless you win. And there's a good chance you will, but until then the Saints get the credit of a conference champion. I understand it's the most they've ever had. But I think you'd enjoy the experience more if you had thicker skin.

 

[Zigg]

Like I said, I cut Saints fans slack because this is new territory for them. They've never been here before. Now they're hyper-sensitive. It's almost like YOU don't think the team deserves to be here. They do; stop acting like you're waiting to be insulted. It's your OPINION that 100 percent of those calls were the right ones. I think many objective fans would disagree. You think it somehow takes away from the win, like you can't afford to admit they caught a few breaks. It shouldn't tarnish anything for you. Teams catch breaks. They have to take advantage of them. And maybe you get a "yeah but" because the team hasn't accomplished the goal yet. The Chargers, Falcons, Seahawks and Cardinals were all in your position. They all made a Super Bowl once. Really, it doesn't matter all that much in the long run unless you win. And there's a good chance you will, but until then the Saints get the credit of a conference champion. I understand it's the most they've ever had. But I think you'd enjoy the experience more if you had thicker skin.

What in the world are you talking about? 1)We don't care if you cut us slack. Get over yourself.2)Please explain to us how constantly defending the Saints in the non-stop "yeah-but" threads means we don't think the team deserves to be here? Just baffling.3)Stop telling me what I think. NOTHING TAKES AWAY FROM THE WIN. Especially some whiners on a message board.4)The team hasn't achieved it's goal yet. Who cares? I'm not on the team. I'm tickled pink they made it, and to be honest, win or lose I'm happy. Luckily Sean Payton and company don't share that opinion.5)My skin is thick. This is a message board. I see something I disagree with, I post my opinion. Should Saints fans never post to avoid seeming sensitive?6)Once again, get over yourself.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Like I said, I cut Saints fans slack because this is new territory for them. They've never been here before. Now they're hyper-sensitive. It's almost like YOU don't think the team deserves to be here. They do; stop acting like you're waiting to be insulted. It's your OPINION that 100 percent of those calls were the right ones. I think many objective fans would disagree. You think it somehow takes away from the win, like you can't afford to admit they caught a few breaks. It shouldn't tarnish anything for you. Teams catch breaks. They have to take advantage of them. And maybe you get a "yeah but" because the team hasn't accomplished the goal yet. The Chargers, Falcons, Seahawks and Cardinals were all in your position. They all made a Super Bowl once. Really, it doesn't matter all that much in the long run unless you win. And there's a good chance you will, but until then the Saints get the credit of a conference champion. I understand it's the most they've ever had. But I think you'd enjoy the experience more if you had thicker skin.

What in the world are you talking about? 1)We don't care if you cut us slack. Get over yourself.2)Please explain to us how constantly defending the Saints in the non-stop "yeah-but" threads means we don't think the team deserves to be here? Just baffling.3)Stop telling me what I think. NOTHING TAKES AWAY FROM THE WIN. Especially some whiners on a message board.4)The team hasn't achieved it's goal yet. Who cares? I'm not on the team. I'm tickled pink they made it, and to be honest, win or lose I'm happy. Luckily Sean Payton and company don't share that opinion.5)My skin is thick. This is a message board. I see something I disagree with, I post my opinion. Should Saints fans never post to avoid seeming sensitive?6)Once again, get over yourself.

If you don't care, why are Saints fans (not all, but a few) whining in this thread, howling over not being given credit for the win? Why are you here "defending the team" from Internet posters? You can't have it both ways. People who don't care don't feel a need to do that. I guess you care enough to keep coming back, don't you?Guess I hit a nerve with not thinking you deserve to be here. But there are only so many ways to rationalize the hyper-sensitivity about close calls going their way in OT. It seems to be a sore spot. If you don't care, why is that?You can post "nothing takes away from the win" in all caps as much as you want; I wonder who you're trying to convince-- you or me. I already said as much, so it's not me. Perhaps putting it in your sig would cement it. I appreciate that you're just happy to be there. But if that was the case, you wouldn't be so defensive. Rushing to defend against observations on a message board and bristling at discussions doesn't appear to be the behavior of someone who's tickled. Chafed, maybe. I'm not going to label all Saints fans based on your posts, and I already said their fans deserve some slack because this is new to them. But this "I don't care/I have to defend the team" thing isn't consistent. If you looked at the posts a little closer instead of reacting based on emotion, you'd see that people aren't really attacking the Saints-- they're acknowledging the truth about a number of close OT calls going their way. I haven't attacked the Saints at all. Even Vikings fans acknowledged their team didn't do what it took to win. But because folks recognize the obvious-- some very close calls seemed to go the Saints way-- there's a need to "defend the Saints" by people who claim not to care. Not sure what they're defending against or who they're really trying to convince.The Saints deserve to be there. Really. The OT calls in question still existed, but the team won. They can co-exist in reality.

 

[Zigg]

If you don't care, why are Saints fans (not all, but a few) whining in this thread, howling over not being given credit for the win? Why are you here "defending the team" from Internet posters? You can't have it both ways. People who don't care don't feel a need to do that. I guess you care enough to keep coming back, don't you?

1)It's a message board. 2)I said I don't care whether or not you cut the Saints slack, I enjoy discussing the Saints and all things football. I assume you're , but I really enjoy your "trying to convince yourself" schtick. Top notch.

 

[Doug B]

But because folks recognize the obvious-- some very close calls seemed to go the Saints way ...

Again, the OP didn't post innocently.

The Saints deserve to be there. Really. The OT calls in question still existed, but the team won. They can co-exist in reality.

Can they?I should dig up old 2002 threads after the OAK @ NE "tuck rule" game but before the Super Bowl. I'm betting there were similar sentiments all around.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

If you don't care, why are Saints fans (not all, but a few) whining in this thread, howling over not being given credit for the win? Why are you here "defending the team" from Internet posters? You can't have it both ways. People who don't care don't feel a need to do that. I guess you care enough to keep coming back, don't you?

1)It's a message board. 2)I said I don't care whether or not you cut the Saints slack, I enjoy discussing the Saints and all things football. I assume you're , but I really enjoy your "trying to convince yourself" schtick. Top notch.

I must be a great fisherman. You're on another thread saying you're "irked" while you claim you don't care here. I have amazing cross-thread fishing powers, eh? I'm not cutting the Saints slack. I'm cutting the fans slack. They're not part of the team and they're not used to being identified with a winner. That's why some of them are acting so defensive and "come running to defend" the Saints in every thread where they think the Saints are being criticized. That's what you said you were doing, although you also said you don't care. I'm sure one of those is true.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

But because folks recognize the obvious-- some very close calls seemed to go the Saints way ...

Again, the OP didn't post innocently.

The Saints deserve to be there. Really. The OT calls in question still existed, but the team won. They can co-exist in reality.

Can they?I should dig up old 2002 threads after the OAK @ NE "tuck rule" game but before the Super Bowl. I'm betting there were similar sentiments all around.

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints. Some Saints fans have chips on their shoulders, but in reality the team isn't really being attacked.I have no idea what threads in 2002 looked like. If every eight years fans whine about something, I'm not sure that proves anyone's point. There aren't usually that many close OT calls in a playoff game as we saw last week, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason for so many fans to be defensive. If anything, I'd think Vikings fans would be acting worse.

 

[Zigg]

If you don't care, why are Saints fans (not all, but a few) whining in this thread, howling over not being given credit for the win? Why are you here "defending the team" from Internet posters? You can't have it both ways. People who don't care don't feel a need to do that. I guess you care enough to keep coming back, don't you?

1)It's a message board. 2)I said I don't care whether or not you cut the Saints slack, I enjoy discussing the Saints and all things football. I assume you're , but I really enjoy your "trying to convince yourself" schtick. Top notch.

I must be a great fisherman. You're on another thread saying you're "irked" while you claim you don't care here. I have amazing cross-thread fishing powers, eh? I'm not cutting the Saints slack. I'm cutting the fans slack. They're not part of the team and they're not used to being identified with a winner. That's why some of them are acting so defensive and running to defend the Saints in every thread where they think the Saints are being criticized. That's what you said you were doing, although you also said you don't care. I'm sure one of those it true.

You don't read so good.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

If you don't care, why are Saints fans (not all, but a few) whining in this thread, howling over not being given credit for the win? Why are you here "defending the team" from Internet posters? You can't have it both ways. People who don't care don't feel a need to do that. I guess you care enough to keep coming back, don't you?

1)It's a message board. 2)I said I don't care whether or not you cut the Saints slack, I enjoy discussing the Saints and all things football. I assume you're , but I really enjoy your "trying to convince yourself" schtick. Top notch.

I must be a great fisherman. You're on another thread saying you're "irked" while you claim you don't care here. I have amazing cross-thread fishing powers, eh? I'm not cutting the Saints slack. I'm cutting the fans slack. They're not part of the team and they're not used to being identified with a winner. That's why some of them are acting so defensive and running to defend the Saints in every thread where they think the Saints are being criticized. That's what you said you were doing, although you also said you don't care. I'm sure one of those it true.

You don't read so good.

So you didn't say you were irked on another thread? Or is "irked" a synonym for "tickled" in Louisiana? Who knew this fishing thing was so easy? It's like the fish are sitting around waiting to jump into a boat, like they're upset about something.Edit: I mean, don't care about something. Or maybe upset means don't care in this thread. Not sure how that goes yet. Might find out next Sunday. Good luck to all.

 

[The Kerminator]

But because folks recognize the obvious-- some very close calls seemed to go the Saints way ...

Again, the OP didn't post innocently.

The Saints deserve to be there. Really. The OT calls in question still existed, but the team won. They can co-exist in reality.

Can they?I should dig up old 2002 threads after the OAK @ NE "tuck rule" game but before the Super Bowl. I'm betting there were similar sentiments all around.

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints. Some Saints fans have chips on their shoulders, but in reality the team isn't really being attacked.I have no idea what threads in 2002 looked like. If every eight years fans whine about something, I'm not sure that proves anyone's point. There aren't usually that many close OT calls in a playoff game as we saw last week, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason for so many fans to be defensive. If anything, I'd think Vikings fans would be acting worse.

I don't think it's so much as criticizing the Saints but giving credit where credit is due. IMO it seems there have been two themes: 1) The Saints benefited more from poor calls by the refs or 2) The Vikings were the better team but if it weren't for the turnovers they would have won.As to point 1, bad calls happen every NFL game. The Vikings were still in a position to win the game and didn't make the play that needed to be made. The Saints did. Good for themPoint 2, The Saints still had a better record during the regular season so it's hard to argue the Vikings were the better team. Sure the Vikings turned the ball over and may have won if they hadn't, but give credit to the NO defense. I believe they were second in the league in creating turnovers. I heard an interview where Darren Sharper said they knew going into the game that Favre was good for 3 INT chances and they needed to make the play when it was there. They got 2. He also said they knew that Peterson was fumble prone, so that was a point of emphasis during the week. They also noticed on film that the MIN WRs were slow to tuck the ball away so that was a point of emphasis as well. Give the NO coaching staff for noticing and emphasizing this and to the players for making it happen.Good for the Saints. To make it to the Superbowl takes a lot and they deserve all the credit.

 

[Doug B]

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints.

You've forgotten about the OP, Gopher State. He puts forth the OP, then bows out, knowing full well what the effect of his post will be. Doesn't matter that it's not his own words in the OP.

 

[The Kerminator]

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints.

You've forgotten about the OP, Gopher State. He puts forth the OP, then bows out, knowing full well what the effect of his post will be. Doesn't matter that it's not his own words in the OP.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints.

You've forgotten about the OP, Gopher State. He puts forth the OP, then bows out, knowing full well what the effect of his post will be. Doesn't matter that it's not his own words in the OP.

Man you guys are getting pretty upset, you should be enjoying the most out of every day until the Superbowl, imo.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

But because folks recognize the obvious-- some very close calls seemed to go the Saints way ...

Again, the OP didn't post innocently.

The Saints deserve to be there. Really. The OT calls in question still existed, but the team won. They can co-exist in reality.

Can they?I should dig up old 2002 threads after the OAK @ NE "tuck rule" game but before the Super Bowl. I'm betting there were similar sentiments all around.

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints. Some Saints fans have chips on their shoulders, but in reality the team isn't really being attacked.I have no idea what threads in 2002 looked like. If every eight years fans whine about something, I'm not sure that proves anyone's point. There aren't usually that many close OT calls in a playoff game as we saw last week, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason for so many fans to be defensive. If anything, I'd think Vikings fans would be acting worse.

I don't think it's so much as criticizing the Saints but giving credit where credit is due. IMO it seems there have been two themes: 1) The Saints benefited more from poor calls by the refs or 2) The Vikings were the better team but if it weren't for the turnovers they would have won.As to point 1, bad calls happen every NFL game. The Vikings were still in a position to win the game and didn't make the play that needed to be made. The Saints did. Good for themPoint 2, The Saints still had a better record during the regular season so it's hard to argue the Vikings were the better team. Sure the Vikings turned the ball over and may have won if they hadn't, but give credit to the NO defense. I believe they were second in the league in creating turnovers. I heard an interview where Darren Sharper said they knew going into the game that Favre was good for 3 INT chances and they needed to make the play when it was there. They got 2. He also said they knew that Peterson was fumble prone, so that was a point of emphasis during the week. They also noticed on film that the MIN WRs were slow to tuck the ball away so that was a point of emphasis as well. Give the NO coaching staff for noticing and emphasizing this and to the players for making it happen.Good for the Saints. To make it to the Superbowl takes a lot and they deserve all the credit.

I've seen a Vikings fan say the Vikings were the better team, but even most of them haven't said that. I think there's definitely an argument to be made that they benefited by those calls, and I like your response. Certainly that happens in many-- if not every-- game. What's funny is the defensive position some Saints fans are taking, like admitting they had those OT calls go their way taints the win. It's like a stain on their new prom dress-- it's ruined if they acknowledge it. You can enjoy the win without ignoring that a series of OT calls all went their way on the winning drive. Then there's this attitude that people are trying to take away their big moment. It's like you have to check your eyes at the door or something. I mean, everybody saw the game and nobody is saying they shouldn't be going to Miami. If the Colts get a ton of calls going their way I'll say the same thing next week. But if Indy wins, they're still the champs. Mentioning one doesn't negate the other.

 

[Gopher State]

Surprised so many Saints fans are going the "stop crying about it" route. Seems like a defensive position to take. Nobody is saying the game's score should be reversed, but non-biased fans recognize that, in a close game like that, referee errors played a role in one team winning. Both played hard, but the NFL admitted a mistake there. It made a difference.That doesn't mean the Saints are a fraud. It just means that things went their way and a mistake helped them in the game. They might have won anyway; it was the 3rd quarter, after all. But nobody is crying about it; just pointing out a fact. Saints fans are acting awfully defensive. It's like you're trying to protect something. There really isn't anything to protect yet. There's still one game on the schedule. Win that and your team wipes away all those years of frustration. But if you don't win, none of this really matters anyway. Being the Super Bowl loser isn't going to validate anyone, so please wait until you win it all before you worry that people are trying to take something away from you.

very

 

[Gopher State]

Reading this thread, people aren't criticizing the Saints.

You've forgotten about the OP, Gopher State. He puts forth the OP, then bows out, knowing full well what the effect of his post will be. Doesn't matter that it's not his own words in the OP.

Doug, I just put the facts in this thread. If I put it in my own words it would not be the facts.Enjoy the superbowl, I know the Colts will.

 

[zDragon]

THIS JUST IN!!!The NFL admits that they missed a call in week 7 back in 1993..... who the heck cares.To the Vikings fans:U put all ur chips on Favre, but should have known he sucks at the end of the year, he always does. If he didnt choke all the time, he would of been to more superbowls, he stinks..... he cost u the NFC championship, embrace it, I did as a Saints fan and will love Favre for ever since he came trhu for us Saints fan!U can always count on Favre to throw picks, always always always!And yes in full disclosure... I hate Brett Favre, hes a drama queen who is worse for the game then he is better at this point!

Yet the refs really did influence and help the Saints get the win. If I recall correctly that one call gets old man Favre in the red zone. I wouldn't gloat and poke when by all counts your lucky he did not beat you.

 

[zDragon]

Surprised so many Saints fans are going the "stop crying about it" route. Seems like a defensive position to take. Nobody is saying the game's score should be reversed, but non-biased fans recognize that, in a close game like that, referee errors played a role in one team winning. Both played hard, but the NFL admitted a mistake there. It made a difference.That doesn't mean the Saints are a fraud. It just means that things went their way and a mistake helped them in the game. They might have won anyway; it was the 3rd quarter, after all. But nobody is crying about it; just pointing out a fact. Saints fans are acting awfully defensive. It's like you're trying to protect something. There really isn't anything to protect yet. There's still one game on the schedule. Win that and your team wipes away all those years of frustration. But if you don't win, none of this really matters anyway. Being the Super Bowl loser isn't going to validate anyone, so please wait until you win it all before you worry that people are trying to take something away from you.

 

[Doug B]

Doug, I just put the facts in this thread.

Doesn't mean it's not a poke with a stick. You know what you're doing.

 

[Pnishthm]

I'd hate for you to say I am being too defensive. I have moved on days ago, maybe you might want to do the same.

I won't say you are defensive. Please list them if you can. TIA! And moved on from what? I have no dog in this fight. It is just humorous to see how overly defensive fans get when their team benefits by some really bad officiating.

OK I will tell you why Saints fans are defensive...because guys who supposedly "have no dog in the fight" seem to only wanna post one sided. They say the refs cost the Vikes the game... Please explain how "they cost the Vikes the game?" OK so the head of officials came out and said the refs missed throwing a flag... weren't the Saints up 7 at that point? Even if they make that call there's no predicting the outcome of that game. Also the head of officials came out and said the PI call in OT was the correct call. For the record I thought it was a horrible call but I guess since the head of officiating said it was correct then it must be right? Then we have the P. Thomas fumble that is being complained about. Two things... one he never lost complete control so by NFL rule it's not a fumble and forward progress was awarded accordingly. The other was that even had he lost control, the ball moved back what, half a foot or a foot at best? If you look at the spot and the red line for a 1st down Thomas made it by a good half a yard. It still would have resulted in a 1st down. The Meachem catch was complained about because by most parts guys don't know the rules...the ball CAN hit the ground as long as the WR has control of the ball and does not trap it against the ground. Meachem did this thus it was ruled correctly. Now on the flip side none of you supposed "neutral guys" never respond when Saints fan points out that around the 11 minute mark in the 4th, Brees after throwing the ball was picked up and the defender leaves his feet and slams Brees to the ground. About the exact same way that the Saints were flagged for on Favre. Also in the 4th J. Greer stepped in front of S. Rice for an easy pick and Rice grabs Greer's right arm from behind well before the ball gets there so Greer is not able to close his hands and make the pick. This is a big play that was missed by the refs. Yet none of you guys complaining ever respond to this when it's brought up. I wonder how the game turns out if that easy call was made? Heck maybe the Saints lose but we won't know. Calls were missed both ways which is usually the case in just about every game. To say that one caused a team to win or lose is ignorant. I still say I thought the Vkings outplayed us and we did not play our best game. But the Saints found a way to win and it wasn't because of the officiating. I have moved on and I suggest everyone else do the same. WHO DAT!!!

Still not one reply from the haters on the other calls. Still waiting...

 

[Breesisdaman]

It's just very annoying when virtually every call went the Vikings way during regulation to the tune of a 15/88 advantage in penalty yardage and a 4 to 1 advantage in first downs awarded by penalty and then after the game all we hear is that we won because of the officials.

Without the 15/88 in regulation the game would have not made it to overtime. Several bad calls on the Saints kept at least one Viking scoring drive alive. Now I am done with this subject. Like I said, move on people.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I'd hate for you to say I am being too defensive. I have moved on days ago, maybe you might want to do the same.

I won't say you are defensive. Please list them if you can. TIA! And moved on from what? I have no dog in this fight. It is just humorous to see how overly defensive fans get when their team benefits by some really bad officiating.

OK I will tell you why Saints fans are defensive...because guys who supposedly "have no dog in the fight" seem to only wanna post one sided. They say the refs cost the Vikes the game... Please explain how "they cost the Vikes the game?" OK so the head of officials came out and said the refs missed throwing a flag... weren't the Saints up 7 at that point? Even if they make that call there's no predicting the outcome of that game. Also the head of officials came out and said the PI call in OT was the correct call. For the record I thought it was a horrible call but I guess since the head of officiating said it was correct then it must be right? Then we have the P. Thomas fumble that is being complained about. Two things... one he never lost complete control so by NFL rule it's not a fumble and forward progress was awarded accordingly. The other was that even had he lost control, the ball moved back what, half a foot or a foot at best? If you look at the spot and the red line for a 1st down Thomas made it by a good half a yard. It still would have resulted in a 1st down. The Meachem catch was complained about because by most parts guys don't know the rules...the ball CAN hit the ground as long as the WR has control of the ball and does not trap it against the ground. Meachem did this thus it was ruled correctly. Now on the flip side none of you supposed "neutral guys" never respond when Saints fan points out that around the 11 minute mark in the 4th, Brees after throwing the ball was picked up and the defender leaves his feet and slams Brees to the ground. About the exact same way that the Saints were flagged for on Favre. Also in the 4th J. Greer stepped in front of S. Rice for an easy pick and Rice grabs Greer's right arm from behind well before the ball gets there so Greer is not able to close his hands and make the pick. This is a big play that was missed by the refs. Yet none of you guys complaining ever respond to this when it's brought up. I wonder how the game turns out if that easy call was made? Heck maybe the Saints lose but we won't know. Calls were missed both ways which is usually the case in just about every game. To say that one caused a team to win or lose is ignorant. I still say I thought the Vkings outplayed us and we did not play our best game. But the Saints found a way to win and it wasn't because of the officiating. I have moved on and I suggest everyone else do the same. WHO DAT!!!

Still not one reply from the haters on the other calls. Still waiting...

Haters? I'm learning a lot about Saints fans here.

 

[Pnishthm]

I'd hate for you to say I am being too defensive. I have moved on days ago, maybe you might want to do the same.

I won't say you are defensive. Please list them if you can. TIA! And moved on from what? I have no dog in this fight. It is just humorous to see how overly defensive fans get when their team benefits by some really bad officiating.

OK I will tell you why Saints fans are defensive...because guys who supposedly "have no dog in the fight" seem to only wanna post one sided. They say the refs cost the Vikes the game... Please explain how "they cost the Vikes the game?" OK so the head of officials came out and said the refs missed throwing a flag... weren't the Saints up 7 at that point? Even if they make that call there's no predicting the outcome of that game. Also the head of officials came out and said the PI call in OT was the correct call. For the record I thought it was a horrible call but I guess since the head of officiating said it was correct then it must be right? Then we have the P. Thomas fumble that is being complained about. Two things... one he never lost complete control so by NFL rule it's not a fumble and forward progress was awarded accordingly. The other was that even had he lost control, the ball moved back what, half a foot or a foot at best? If you look at the spot and the red line for a 1st down Thomas made it by a good half a yard. It still would have resulted in a 1st down. The Meachem catch was complained about because by most parts guys don't know the rules...the ball CAN hit the ground as long as the WR has control of the ball and does not trap it against the ground. Meachem did this thus it was ruled correctly. Now on the flip side none of you supposed "neutral guys" never respond when Saints fan points out that around the 11 minute mark in the 4th, Brees after throwing the ball was picked up and the defender leaves his feet and slams Brees to the ground. About the exact same way that the Saints were flagged for on Favre. Also in the 4th J. Greer stepped in front of S. Rice for an easy pick and Rice grabs Greer's right arm from behind well before the ball gets there so Greer is not able to close his hands and make the pick. This is a big play that was missed by the refs. Yet none of you guys complaining ever respond to this when it's brought up. I wonder how the game turns out if that easy call was made? Heck maybe the Saints lose but we won't know. Calls were missed both ways which is usually the case in just about every game. To say that one caused a team to win or lose is ignorant. I still say I thought the Vkings outplayed us and we did not play our best game. But the Saints found a way to win and it wasn't because of the officiating. I have moved on and I suggest everyone else do the same. WHO DAT!!!

Still not one reply from the haters on the other calls. Still waiting...

Haters? I'm learning a lot about Saints fans here.

Still waiting...

 

[JohnnyU]

It's just very annoying when virtually every call went the Vikings way during regulation to the tune of a 15/88 advantage in penalty yardage and a 4 to 1 advantage in first downs awarded by penalty and then after the game all we hear is that we won because of the officials.

Without the 15/88 in regulation the game would have not made it to overtime. Several bad calls on the Saints kept at least one Viking scoring drive alive. Now I am done with this subject. Like I said, move on people.

You're not done with it, admit it

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Honestly the Saints fans on this board make me want to root against them Sunday. I wonder if they are all like that?