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[EBF]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles

Grading Scale

7.0-7.9 = Pro Bowl player - 1st round

6.5-6.9 = Highly-productive starter - 1st round

6.4 = Very good starter - 1st-2nd round

6.3 = Very good starter - 2nd round

6.1-6.2 = Good starter - 3rd round

6.0 = Productive backup, eventual starter - 3rd round

5.9 = Good backup and special teams player - 4th round

5.8 = Quality backup and good special teams player - 5th round

5.7 and lower = Backups, special teams players, and projects - 6th round-undrafted

Rankings with grades:

QB

1. Matt Leinart - 6.4

2. Kellen Clemens - 6.3

3. Eric Meyer - 6.25

4. Ingle Martin - 6.2

5. DJ Shockley - 6.0

6t. Vince Young - 5.9

6t. Darrell Hackney - 5.9

7. Charlie Whitehurst - 5.87

8. Brodie Croyle - 5.85

9. Jay Cutler - 5.8

Others:

Omar Jacobs - 5.4

RB

1. Reggie Bush - 7.0

2t. Laurence Maroney - 6.2

2t. LenDale White - 6.2

3t. Maurice Drew - 6.0

3t. Leon Washington - 6.0

4. Joseph Addai - 5.9

5t. Mike Bell - 5.8

5t. Taurean Henderson - 5.8

5t. Wali Lundy - 5.8

5t. Gerald Riggs - 5.8

Others:

DeAngelo Williams - 5.7

Brian Calhoun - 5.6

Jerome Harrison - 5.6

Jerrious Norwood - 5.3

WR

1t. Chad Jackson - 6.4

1t. Derek Hagan - 6.4

2t. Santonio Holmes - 6.3

2t. Greg Jennings - 6.3

2t. Sinorice Moss - 6.3

3t. Jason Avant - 6.2

3t. Maurice Stovall - 6.2

4t. Brad Smith - 6.0

4t. Will Blackmon - 6.0

4t. Cory Rodgers - 6.0

5t. Devin Aromashadu - 5.9

5t. Hank Baskett - 5.9

5t. Skyler Green - 5.9

5t. Devin Hester - 5.9

5t. Willie Reid - 5.9

6t. Ben Obomanu - 5.8

6t. Todd Watkins - 5.8

6t. Jeremy Bloom - 5.8

6t. Michael Robinson - 5.8

6t. Jonathan Orr - 5.8

6t. Ed Hinkel - 5.8

6t. Miles Austin - 5.8

6t. Demetrius Williams - 5.8

6t. Brandon Williams - 5.8

Others:

Brandon Marshall - 5.5

TE

1. Vernon Davis - 6.6

2. Marcedes Lewis - 6.4

3. Anthony Fasano - 6.2

4. Leonard Pope - 6.0

5t. Joe Klopfenstein - 5.9

5t. Dominique Byrd - 5.9

 

[EBF]

Overall Top Ten Skill Position Prospects

1. Reggie Bush - 7.0

2. Vernon Davis - 6.6

3t. Chad Jackson - 6.4

3t. Derek Hagan - 6.4

3t. Marcedes Lewis - 6.4

4t. Santonio Holmes - 6.3

4t. Greg Jennings - 6.3

4t. Sinorice Moss - 6.3

4t. Kellen Clemens - 6.3

5. Eric Meyer - 6.25

 

[Jene Bramel]

DeAngelo Williams GR/5.7

5.7 and lower = Backups, special teams players, and projects - 6th round-undrafted

Jeremy Bloom GR/5.8

 

[WhoDat]

Thanks for posting this, EBF.

Interesting results.

 

[EBF]

DeAngelo Williams GR/5.7

5.7 and lower = Backups, special teams players, and projects - 6th round-undrafted

Jeremy Bloom GR/5.8

I've been saying for a while that the FF masses have overrated Williams. He's been ranked low by a lot of sources that I respect. Nevertheless, I think he's clearly a top 5 RB in this class. There's no way Leon Washington should be drafted before him.

 

[WhoDat]

AJ Hawk's profile is

Overall 6.9.

 

[reg]

Very interesting rankings on some players. Thanks for the link.

 

[TLEF316]

very strange

 

[KTM]

Interesting stuff...Time to do some reading.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I usually respect nfl.com's profile pages but this year is a big WTF are they thinking. Their grading/ranking is all screwy and cedric humes doesn't even warrant a profile

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

6t. Vince Young - 5.9

5.9 = Good backup and special teams player - 4th round

LOL! How can they even print this crap.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Those grades are definitely outliers among the draft info Ive been seeing. Cutler QB9 and Vince QB6? Shockley QB5? Bell, Lundy, and Riggs tying for RB5? Cory Rodgers at WR4 (tie)?

Honestly, some of those are indefensible and kind of embarrassing

 

[Raptors]

So there's only 2 offensive players that they feel are locks for the 1st round? Something doesn't add up here.

 

[WhoDat]

Did someone leave G. Brandt the keys to the car?

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

So there's only 2 offensive players that they feel are locks for the 1st round? Something doesn't add up here.

I guess they think this is a VERY TOP HEAVY defensive draft. LOL

 

[EBF]

So there's only 2 offensive players that they feel are locks for the 1st round?  Something doesn't add up here.

These grades are not projections. They're assessments of actual value.

 

[EBF]

I actually think there's some sense in a lot of these rankings. I agree that Young and Cutler are grossly-overrated, and that Clemens is undervalued.

I think they're overly-pessimistic on Harrison and DeAngelo Williams, but I agree with the general idea of Williams being overrated. The numbers are there, he did well in workouts, and stood out at the Senior Bowl, but I still don't think he's superstar material.

The TE rankings look very good to me. That's almost exactly how I'd rank them. I like Byrd a lot, but he's a pretty one-dimensional player (kind of like a Jerome Wiggins type).

The WR rankings are a bit screwy, but I think you have to remember that special teams skills probably factored into the equation.

Anyhow, I always appreciate a contrarian viewpoint. I think they make some valid points.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Overall Top Ten Skill Position Prospects

1. Reggie Bush - 7.0

2. Vernon Davis - 6.6

3t. Chad Jackson - 6.4

3t. Derek Hagan - 6.4

3t. Marcedes Lewis - 6.4

6t. Santonio Holmes - 6.3

6t. Greg Jennings - 6.3

6t. Sinorice Moss - 6.3

6t. Kellen Clemens - 6.3

10. Eric Meyer - 6.25

Fixed.

 

[Donnybrook]

Added some of the defensive players for the IDP guys.

Outside LBS

A.J. Hawk G 6.9

Chad Greenway I 6.5 ST

Thomas Howard G 6.3

Ernie Sims G 5.9

Bobby Carpenter M 5.9 INJ

DeMeco Ryans G 5.9 ILB

Manny Lawson H 5.7 ST

Inside LBS

Abdul Hodge G 6.4

D'Qwell Jackson G 6.3

Will Derting G 6.0 MED

Tim Dobbins G 5.8

Dale Robinson F 5.8

Gerris Wilkinson F 5.5

Freddie Roach G 5.4

 

[KTM]

RB COMPARISON

NAME           HGT  WGT  40T  SIZ  ATH  HDS  CMP  PLS  BLK   FINALBush, R        5-11 200  4.35 5.5  8.0  7.0  7.5  9.0  5.0   7.0Maroney, L     6-00 216  4.45 6.5  6.5  6.0  6.0  6.0  5.0   6.2White, L       6-00 237  4.60 7.5  6.0  5.0  6.5  6.0  6.0   6.2Drew, M        5-07 206  4.39 5.0  6.5  6.0  6.0  6.0  4.5   6.0Washington, L  5-08 202  4.42 5.5  6.5  6.5  6.0  6.5  5.5   6.0Addai, J       5-11 215  4.49 6.0  6.0  6.0  6.0  6.0  6.0   5.9Riggs, G       5-11 231  4.60 5.5  6.0  6.0  5.5  6.0  5.0   5.8Williams, D    5-09 213  4.55 4.0  6.5  6.0  6.0  6.0  4.5   5.7Calhoun, B     5-09 202  4.66 4.0  6.5  6.5  5.5  6.0  4.5   5.6Harrison, J    5-09 202  4.59 4.0  6.0  6.0  5.5  6.0  5.5   5.6Norwood, J     6-00 203  4.37 ???  ???  ???  ???  ???  ???   5.3

SKILL SPECIFIC GRADE SCALE

NUMBER   DESC9.0      RARE – FEW PLAYERS ACHIEVE THIS LEVEL IN ANYTHING, BUT SIZE8.5      GREAT - FEW PLAYERS ACHIEVE THIS LEVEL IN ANYTHING, BUT SIZE8.0      EXCEPTIONAL7.5      EXCELLENT7.0      OUTSTANDING6.5      VERY GOOD6.0      GOOD/SOLID5.5      VERY INCONSISTENT (CAN BE GOOD)5.0      ADEQUATE (CAN IMPROVE IN TIME)4.0-4.9  MARGINAL3.0-3.9  POOR1.0      NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR NFL

 

[Chaos Commish]

 

[BigJim®]

I usually respect nfl.com's profile pages but this year is a big WTF are they thinking. Their grading/ranking is all screwy and cedric humes doesn't even warrant a profile

Rating players like Young/Williams as 4th round special teamers strikes me as being really out of whack. I'm inclined to think they are doing it for shock value, which takes away from their credibility quite a bit.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I usually respect nfl.com's profile pages but this year is a big WTF are they thinking. Their grading/ranking is all screwy and cedric humes doesn't even warrant a profile

Rating players like Young/Williams as 4th round special teamers strikes me as being really out of whack. I'm inclined to think they are doing it for shock value, which takes away from their credibility quite a bit.

I think someone in data entry played a joke on the editor and is about to fired.

 

[KTM]

I'd like to know how they decided these grades...A few that make me go

D. Williams 5-09 213lbs Size Grade = 4

L. Washington 5-08 202lbs Size Grade = 5.5

G. Riggs 5-11 231 lbs Size Grade = 5.5

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I usually respect nfl.com's profile pages but this year is a big WTF are they thinking.  Their grading/ranking is all screwy and cedric humes doesn't even warrant a profile

Rating players like Young/Williams as 4th round special teamers strikes me as being really out of whack. I'm inclined to think they are doing it for shock value, which takes away from their credibility quite a bit.

I think someone in data entry played a joke on the editor and is about to fired.

There has to be some explanation along those lines, because these rankings just aren't credible.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I usually respect nfl.com's profile pages but this year is a big WTF are they thinking. Their grading/ranking is all screwy and cedric humes doesn't even warrant a profile

Rating players like Young/Williams as 4th round special teamers strikes me as being really out of whack. I'm inclined to think they are doing it for shock value, which takes away from their credibility quite a bit.

I think someone in data entry played a joke on the editor and is about to fired.

There has to be some explanation along those lines, because these rankings just aren't credible.

APRIL FOOL!!! It could just be that different people did rankings for different players. So you end up with different scales being used. I do find it amazing that they only have 2 players graded at the Pro Bowl level, and both of them are at the very bottom with 7.0s. From what I had been hearing, Reggie Bush has been graded by many as one of the top prospects ever. To then give him a 7.0 on a scale that goes to 7.9 seems a little strange. And they talk about both Leinart and Young as being capable of being franchise QBs but then rate them as a very good starter and a capable backup is just bonkers.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I like contrarian views as well and I do like some of those (Clemens, Martin, Drew and Jennings are underrated in general), but most of this seems like it's being done for shock value.

 

[DawnBTVS]

Isn't it more important to read the blurbs and such rather than going strictly by numbers? I understand that the numbers are laughable but I find the critiques invaluable and take their weight over the quick scan number system.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Isn't it more important to read the blurbs and such rather than going strictly by numbers? I understand that the numbers are laughable but I find the critiques invaluable and take their weight over the quick scan number system.

If you are new to the rookie class, I agree, the blurbs are excellent. For those of us that know these guys well already, the rating with respect to each is much more interesting, and its nothing short of puzzling.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I see that GM Jr. is the group/guy doing the scouting and ranking. I've heard of him before but never read any of his stuff. Has anybody else? Is this normal? His letter grades seems a little weird as well.

 

[EBF]

Isn't it true that 30-40% of first round picks will flop? History says several of these guys are going to be tremendous disappointments as professionals. If this scouting service feels that DeAngelo Williams, Jay Cutler, and Vince Young are among this group of eventual busts, then I think that's worth taking into account.

No one source should be taken as gospel, but it's always nice to hear something aside from "Youg will revolutionize the QB position," "Williams is like another Tomlinson," and "Cutler is the next Favre." I appreciate the skepticism, even if I don't agree with it.

 

[jurb26]

That was simply horrible. Nothing else can discribe it I'm afraid.

 

[matuski]

6t. Vince Young - 5.9

5.9 = Good backup and special teams player - 4th round

LOL! How can they even print this crap.

While that isn't how I think he will be drafted - that is how I think he will end up. This is assuming he sticks at the QB position.

 

[coolnerd]

Isn't it true that 30-40% of first round picks will flop? History says several of these guys are going to be tremendous disappointments as professionals. If this scouting service feels that DeAngelo Williams, Jay Cutler, and Vince Young are among this group of eventual busts, then I think that's worth taking into account.

No one source should be taken as gospel, but it's always nice to hear something aside from "Youg will revolutionize the QB position," "Williams is like another Tomlinson," and "Cutler is the next Favre." I appreciate the skepticism, even if I don't agree with it.

Most us read things along the lines "this team has a really low grade on ----" or "some team does not even ---- on their draft board," but honestly we rarely see the scout or GMs who has rankings that seemingly out of wack ranking. Of course, when we do see a ranking that is a counter to the norm, all of sudden the person who is different has no credibility. Whether we want to belief it or not; some scout or maybe even your team's GM has rankings that are "goofier" than these. Of course, that could be good or bad.

 

[jurb26]

Isn't it true that 30-40% of first round picks will flop? History says several of these guys are going to be tremendous disappointments as professionals. If this scouting service feels that DeAngelo Williams, Jay Cutler, and Vince Young are among this group of eventual busts, then I think that's worth taking into account.

No one source should be taken as gospel, but it's always nice to hear something aside from "Youg will revolutionize the QB position," "Williams is like another Tomlinson," and "Cutler is the next Favre." I appreciate the skepticism, even if I don't agree with it.

Most us read things along the lines "this team has a really low grade on ----" or "some team does not even ---- on their draft board," but honestly we rarely see the scout or GMs who has rankings that seemingly out of wack ranking. Of course, when we do see a ranking that is a counter to the norm, all of sudden the person who is different has no credibility. Whether we want to belief it or not; some scout or maybe even your team's GM has rankings that are "goofier" than these. Of course, that could be good or bad.

I don't care how you try to slice it. It is extremely strange that anyone could only find and rank 2 of the players from this class as elite PROSPECTS. Thant and the fact that they barely made it to that level.

 

[EBF]

Isn't it true that 30-40% of first round picks will flop? History says several of these guys are going to be tremendous disappointments as professionals. If this scouting service feels that DeAngelo Williams, Jay Cutler, and Vince Young are among this group of eventual busts, then I think that's worth taking into account.

No one source should be taken as gospel, but it's always nice to hear something aside from "Youg will revolutionize the QB position," "Williams is like another Tomlinson," and "Cutler is the next Favre." I appreciate the skepticism, even if I don't agree with it.

Most us read things along the lines "this team has a really low grade on ----" or "some team does not even ---- on their draft board," but honestly we rarely see the scout or GMs who has rankings that seemingly out of wack ranking. Of course, when we do see a ranking that is a counter to the norm, all of sudden the person who is different has no credibility. Whether we want to belief it or not; some scout or maybe even your team's GM has rankings that are "goofier" than these. Of course, that could be good or bad.

I don't care how you try to slice it. It is extremely strange that anyone could only find and rank 2 of the players from this class as elite PROSPECTS. Thant and the fact that they barely made it to that level.

I think the value is in how they're ranked relative to their peers, not how they're ranked absolutely. Obviously it's a little bit skewed if Bush is only a 7.0.

 

[Fantasy Strategist]

Anyone have a link to last years projections...just curious as a Packer Fan to see where they had Rodgers

 

[Jason Wood]

Wow...I would say, without question, these rankings are not only the worst I've seen by draft sites this year, but of any year in memory. Atrocious on a lot of levels.

 

[coolnerd]

Isn't it true that 30-40% of first round picks will flop? History says several of these guys are going to be tremendous disappointments as professionals. If this scouting service feels that DeAngelo Williams, Jay Cutler, and Vince Young are among this group of eventual busts, then I think that's worth taking into account.

No one source should be taken as gospel, but it's always nice to hear something aside from "Youg will revolutionize the QB position," "Williams is like another Tomlinson," and "Cutler is the next Favre." I appreciate the skepticism, even if I don't agree with it.

Most us read things along the lines "this team has a really low grade on ----" or "some team does not even ---- on their draft board," but honestly we rarely see the scout or GMs who has rankings that seemingly out of wack ranking. Of course, when we do see a ranking that is a counter to the norm, all of sudden the person who is different has no credibility. Whether we want to belief it or not; some scout or maybe even your team's GM has rankings that are "goofier" than these. Of course, that could be good or bad.

I don't care how you try to slice it. It is extremely strange that anyone could only find and rank 2 of the players from this class as elite PROSPECTS. Thant and the fact that they barely made it to that level.

The widely held thought is that there are 6, maybe 7 elite prospects. Essentially he disagrees with 4 or 5 players, even though two or three are radically different than what most draftsperts think.

 

[Two Deep]

I'd like to know how they decided these grades...A few that make me go

D. Williams 5-09 213lbs Size Grade = 4

L. Washington 5-08 202lbs Size Grade = 5.5

G. Riggs 5-11 231 lbs Size Grade = 5.5

Yeah Bush and Riggs both get a 5.5? Better yet White gets a 7.5 at 6'.0 237# and Riggs just 1" and 6 #'s lighter gets a 5.5

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I usually respect nfl.com's profile pages but this year is a big WTF are they thinking. Their grading/ranking is all screwy and cedric humes doesn't even warrant a profile

My thoughts exactly. I don't understand where some of these rankings are coming from and why players like Young and especially D. Williams is ranked so low.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Taking a look at the QB profiles to see why players got the grade they got:

Young's letter grade = not able to learn football well/lacks instincts. They clearly have questions about his intelligence/ability to run an offense.

Shockley's main questions are height and experience, and it seems clear that they like him better than Young.

Meyer will be a very good starting QB in one or two years because of his intelligence and instincts.

Martin will eventually be a good starter despite lacking ideal size and playing from the shotgun a lot against a lower level of competition.

The biggest determining factor in Leinart's success? How he handles losing.

Jacobs won't make it because of his sidearm motion.

Cutler is a "middle class" player because of inconsistency. They are aware he will go in the first, they say so in his analysis - so these grades are probably not typos.

Croyle is a backup because of fragility and inability to make plays on key downs. (lol, i actually agree with this one)

Clemens is 2nd behind Leinart for being ready to play in the NFL and will succeed because of his smarts.

Some of the strangest takes on RBs:

DeAngelo Williams will be a backup because he's not a strong runner and lacks top end speed.

Riggs is going to be a starter when he adds 10-15 pounds.

Norwood lacks explosiveness and should be a free agent signing.

Lundy reminds them of Stephen Davis or Mike Anderson and they expect him to start.

Bell will be a good starter, but get banged up and come out on 3rd down.

When you drill down into the profiles, the crazy grades become more defensible because they give justifications, but still way out of normal range of opinions on these guys. I think there is some good scouting in the profiles in the breakdowns - some good observations and analysis. The prognostications about the player's careers seem very rigid and conclusory, and pretty much divergent on both the pessimistic and optimistic side. Shockley over Young? Riggs and Lundy over DeAngelo Williams?. (watch this get bumped in 2 years when Shockley, Riggs, and Lundy are lighitng up the league).

Just some very strange stuff going on here.

Still good reading material, but some of it leaves me shaking my head.

 

[milfordshane]

Here's gm jr 's website

http://www.gmjr.com/

Notice where he says he used to scout for Cleveland

That explains soooo much



By the way the hands for Maroney and D. Williams are rated exactly the same 6.0. How can you defend that? Makes me wonder how accurate some of the profiles are with regards to talent level in specific areas.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

So according to these clowns Lendale White beats all RB with size, in other words the fatter you are the better the points. Makes no sense, sorry to say but Reggie Bush size and Maroneys size seem more ideal for a RB than Fatty Whites.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I hope the Chargers can draft Deangelo Williams and Cutler on the second day to bolster the kick off unit and punt block team. Also its nice to see Leinart is considered a late first rd pick, somebody should inform the Titans so they get good "value" and trade down with the Steelers.

Those number rankings and scale are flat out embarassing.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Lendale White in the 40 got a 4.6? Correct me if i'm wrong but he didn't even run a 40, nice falsified documents.

 

[Imedos]

The scouting reports are interesting.

But the numbers mean nothing at all to me.

Doesn't really change my view of how I rank the top guys of the draft. Does give me some chuckles though.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Few things:

First, this is the ratings of JR GM Scouting LLC, not the NFL. It is a company's rankings.

Second, I think that the ratings are what they expect the player to produce this year. Here is the summary of VY.

SUMMARY

Young has all the physical tools, character, work ethic and intangibles to be a franchise quarterback, but there is concern about his ability to run an NFL offense vs. the complex defenses he will see in the NFL. The thing that he does not get enough credit for is his ability to get rid of the ball very quickly with good zip on his passes -- when he strides into his throws, he can make all the throws with accuracy and zip. His ability to make big plays scrambling with the ball is a huge added bonus, but he must protect the ball better and learn to slide to avoid taking a lot of punishment. If it weren't for questions about his ability to deal with adjusting to a more complex NFL offense and to reading and adjusting to the complex NFL defenses he will now have to face, then he would be a franchise quarterback for sure because of his rare athleticism, character, intangibles, quick release and accurate throwing ability. However, because of the questions/concerns mentioned, teams should be scared to draft him in the first round. Young should become a very exciting starting quarterback in the NFL, but he is going to deal with many of the issues that have plagued Michael Vick in regards to him becoming a polished passer. If you want him to become the player he is capable of, then you must have patience to allow him time (two or three seasons) to develop before he can become a starter.

He states that he thinks VY sgould become a very exciting starting QB. I think that his low rating is that he is not perceived to be ready now.

Third- what is the big deal if he doesn't think there are a bunch of pro bowl players at the skill positions. Would it be better if he said all these guys were pro bowl players? LT has missed the pro bowl. Curtis Martin missed pro bowls. Brady has missed pro-bowls. Very good players often miss the pro bowl.

 

[lod2005]

I hope the Chargers can draft Deangelo Williams and Cutler on the second day to bolster the kick off unit and punt block team. Also its nice to see Leinart is considered a late first rd pick, somebody should inform the Titans so they get good "value" and trade down with the Steelers.

Those number rankings and scale are flat out embarassing.

Yep. Someone at NFL.com is a total idiot.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Second, I think that the ratings are what they expect the player to produce this year.

That would be appropriate if that's how NFL teams decided on who to draft. it's not.