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NFL Draft Day 2-3 projected players (1 Viewer)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I was going to answer with something sarcastic. Then I realized some things are better left unsaid.
False Start
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I guess I'll start with one of the combine "winners." This should piss some people off. If Tavon Austin was worth a top-10 draft pick, what is Dri Archer lacking that Austin has? Sick moves?
His Jr. year 198 touches, 1990 yards from scrimmage, 20 total TDs
Dri Archer
Kent State, 2014
Height 5' 8"
Weight 173
Arm Length 31"
Hand Size 8⅞"
10 Yard Dash 1.46
40 Yard Dash 4.26
Bench Press 20
Vertical Jump 38"
Broad Jump 122"
3 Cone Drill 6.86
20 Yard Shuttle 4.06
Tavon Austin
West Virginia, 2013
Height 5' 8"
Weight 174
Arm Length 30"
Hand Size 9⅛"
10 Yard Dash 1.45
40 Yard Dash 4.34
Bench Press 14
Vertical Jump 32"
Broad Jump 120"
20 Yard Shuttle 4.01
His Jr. year 198 touches, 1990 yards from scrimmage, 20 total TDs
Dri Archer
Kent State, 2014
Height 5' 8"
Weight 173
Arm Length 31"
Hand Size 8⅞"
10 Yard Dash 1.46
40 Yard Dash 4.26
Bench Press 20
Vertical Jump 38"
Broad Jump 122"
3 Cone Drill 6.86
20 Yard Shuttle 4.06
Tavon Austin
West Virginia, 2013
Height 5' 8"
Weight 174
Arm Length 30"
Hand Size 9⅛"
10 Yard Dash 1.45
40 Yard Dash 4.34
Bench Press 14
Vertical Jump 32"
Broad Jump 120"
20 Yard Shuttle 4.01
Xue
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I figured I'd hear that. But if he's going to make any money it's going to be as a WR. With Archer it'll cost you $10M less than Austin to find out if a better raw athlete can play the same role as a WR/RB/KR. He can handle KR duties, design 2-5 plays for him and see what happens. Same deal with Austin.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I like Avery Patterson as a third day safety. Ross Cockrell caught my eye at the combine. His coverage on Evans in the Chickaflick Bowl was very respectable.
This guy is on my radar after this Gosslin's tweet:
I am still on the Brett Smith bandwagon but he obviously doesn't have the ideal size and arm strength for the position. But I do like QBs who have faced adversity and have poise/pocket presence.
That is also why I like Garrett Gilbert as a draftable QB. Apparently his biggest negaitves are his accuracy and decision making but I wish I could see that for myself rather than scouting reports and blogs. I can only find highlight videos rather than actual game video. Everyone obviously looks great on a highlight video because there is no negative plays.
This guy is on my radar after this Gosslin's tweet:
Terrance West reminds me of Robert Turbin. He's got ideal size, power and catches the ball very well. The biggest question is the level of competition he played at. He looked like a natural at the combine and won't be shocked if he goes before some of more highly touted running backs.
I am still on the Brett Smith bandwagon but he obviously doesn't have the ideal size and arm strength for the position. But I do like QBs who have faced adversity and have poise/pocket presence.
That is also why I like Garrett Gilbert as a draftable QB. Apparently his biggest negaitves are his accuracy and decision making but I wish I could see that for myself rather than scouting reports and blogs. I can only find highlight videos rather than actual game video. Everyone obviously looks great on a highlight video because there is no negative plays.
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I've watched 20+ QBs from this class and he's the worse looking QB I've seen. I feel bad saying that. He is one of the most savvy/crafty QBs as well. You have to watch him when plays breakdown. His throwing motion looks like he's turning a double play with bodies around him. I don't think he will stick on a team out of camp. Cecil Lammy seems to love him though FWIW.
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Xue
Footballguy
I see Archer more as a faster McCluster or a Ted Ginn-type.
Jalen Saunders is probably the closest thing to Austin because of his jukes and quickness. He's a better pure WR than Austin was as well. Very quick in his routes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9X-7bh2seY
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Devonta Freeman RB, currently projected for round 3 according to nfldraftscout
Excellent burst/acceleration, great lateral agility, can cut on a dime without losing much speed, excellent pass catcher, follows his blocks well/shows good patience, breaks his fair share of tackles for a little guy, and overall is a very efficient runner with very little wasted movement. One worry is he's a smidge too small to be a feature back, and his long speed is also only OK/mediocre, but given all his other strengths good/great long speed is unnecessary for him to be a successful lead back in the NFL, he can still be an elite fantasy back, if never an elite NFL one. Overall he just has a very NFL friendly running style and overall game; very minimal chance that he becomes an outright bust, and there's a decent chance that he can have a Ray Rice type of career. Definitely worth taking a chance on.
Devonta Freeman Highlights
Jeremy Hill RB, currently projected for round 2-3 according to nfldraftscout
Had a poor combine for those who care about that sort of thing, but as far as I'm concerned that just means he provides all the more value for those who have their drafts before the NFL draft. Despite running a only a 4.66 at the combine, he's got real nice speed for a big back, as evidenced by his numerous 40-50+ yard rushes last season, and if you watch the highlight clip I'll link to you'll see he's actually running away from SEC DB's on these plays, so personally I have no doubt that he has enough speed to be an NFL lead back, especially for someone who's 230+lbs. He's doesn't have great 'make-you-miss' ability, but he's got decent enough wiggle for a big back to combine with his excellent tackle breaking ability to gain lots of yards after contact. Didn't catch a tonne of balls in college, but he did well with the receptions he did get for a 10+ yards per reception total, and he looked natural enough catching the ball that I think he definitely has the ability to be a 3-down back. He has the best chance to be a bellcow 3 down back of any in this draft imo, and there's no other rookie RB I'd rather have on my fantasy team.
Jeremy Hill Highlights
Cody Latimer WR, currently projected for round 5 according to nfldraftscout
Smooth operator at the WR position with good/great size at 6'2, 215lbs. Has excellent WR skills, catches everything with his hands, wins jump balls consistently, gets behind defenders often. I wouldn't say his speed is any better than good/OK, but if he can continue to use his size, WR skills/smarts, and route running ability to get behind defenders consistently NFL QBs are accurate enough that they'll be able to hit him despite Latimer not being able to create a huge passing window with his speed. I worry a bit that he doesn't have the quickness/acceleration out of his cuts to be a great NFL WR, but overall I like him a lot and think he has the potential to be a WR1/2 in the NFL; and given how under the radar he seems to be both in fantasy and NFL circles, you'll likely be able to get him real late in rookie drafts.
Cody Latimer Highlight Clip #1
Cody Latimer Highlight Clip #2
Excellent burst/acceleration, great lateral agility, can cut on a dime without losing much speed, excellent pass catcher, follows his blocks well/shows good patience, breaks his fair share of tackles for a little guy, and overall is a very efficient runner with very little wasted movement. One worry is he's a smidge too small to be a feature back, and his long speed is also only OK/mediocre, but given all his other strengths good/great long speed is unnecessary for him to be a successful lead back in the NFL, he can still be an elite fantasy back, if never an elite NFL one. Overall he just has a very NFL friendly running style and overall game; very minimal chance that he becomes an outright bust, and there's a decent chance that he can have a Ray Rice type of career. Definitely worth taking a chance on.
Devonta Freeman Highlights
Jeremy Hill RB, currently projected for round 2-3 according to nfldraftscout
Had a poor combine for those who care about that sort of thing, but as far as I'm concerned that just means he provides all the more value for those who have their drafts before the NFL draft. Despite running a only a 4.66 at the combine, he's got real nice speed for a big back, as evidenced by his numerous 40-50+ yard rushes last season, and if you watch the highlight clip I'll link to you'll see he's actually running away from SEC DB's on these plays, so personally I have no doubt that he has enough speed to be an NFL lead back, especially for someone who's 230+lbs. He's doesn't have great 'make-you-miss' ability, but he's got decent enough wiggle for a big back to combine with his excellent tackle breaking ability to gain lots of yards after contact. Didn't catch a tonne of balls in college, but he did well with the receptions he did get for a 10+ yards per reception total, and he looked natural enough catching the ball that I think he definitely has the ability to be a 3-down back. He has the best chance to be a bellcow 3 down back of any in this draft imo, and there's no other rookie RB I'd rather have on my fantasy team.
Jeremy Hill Highlights
Cody Latimer WR, currently projected for round 5 according to nfldraftscout
Smooth operator at the WR position with good/great size at 6'2, 215lbs. Has excellent WR skills, catches everything with his hands, wins jump balls consistently, gets behind defenders often. I wouldn't say his speed is any better than good/OK, but if he can continue to use his size, WR skills/smarts, and route running ability to get behind defenders consistently NFL QBs are accurate enough that they'll be able to hit him despite Latimer not being able to create a huge passing window with his speed. I worry a bit that he doesn't have the quickness/acceleration out of his cuts to be a great NFL WR, but overall I like him a lot and think he has the potential to be a WR1/2 in the NFL; and given how under the radar he seems to be both in fantasy and NFL circles, you'll likely be able to get him real late in rookie drafts.
Cody Latimer Highlight Clip #1
Cody Latimer Highlight Clip #2
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Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Anybody have scoop on WR Quincy Enunwa?
Xue
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ShaHBucks
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247 reads like that's pretty light for a DE. What's the eye-test like on this guy? Is he going to be pushed around by bigger linemen?
jumper
Footballguy
DT Will Sutton is projected as a Day 3 candidate now and will likely be a steal for anyone in an IDP league. IIRC he was the top defensive player in the NCAA in 2012 but slightly regressed in 2013.
If you're looking for Fantasy lottery tickets, RB Isiah Crowell and TE Colt Lyerla might be worth flyers but be aware both are more likely busts than superstars in waiting. Both Tajh Boyd and David Fales have fallen below what their true draft value is IMHO, and both might be a Russell Wilson type value depending on how far they falls and to which team they're drafted I generally avoid rookie WRs in redraft so haven't looked through them but there's probably some fantasy bargains there for keeper / dynasty in the later rounds.
If you're looking for Fantasy lottery tickets, RB Isiah Crowell and TE Colt Lyerla might be worth flyers but be aware both are more likely busts than superstars in waiting. Both Tajh Boyd and David Fales have fallen below what their true draft value is IMHO, and both might be a Russell Wilson type value depending on how far they falls and to which team they're drafted I generally avoid rookie WRs in redraft so haven't looked through them but there's probably some fantasy bargains there for keeper / dynasty in the later rounds.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
He's a 3-4 OLB/ 4-3 DE. He has a small frame, but he uses leverage well to push OL backwards. His speed allows him to get around the edge and chase ball carriers. He's a real technician with a high motor, just good all the way around. Reminds me of Trent Cole. The third link is his cutup vs Texas Tech
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massraider
Footballguy
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1991248-2014-nfl-draft-highlighting-prospects-who-arent-getting-enough-hype
This one of those annoying slideshows, but each one includes little video scouting reports. Great stuff.
This one of those annoying slideshows, but each one includes little video scouting reports. Great stuff.
he's round two or three, seventh ranked DT by nfldraftscout.
Switching the draft rounds and days...idk what day three means anymore. It used to mean late in draft
jumper
Footballguy
Depends on where you look. This article says day 3., yours says 2nd round. Who the heck knows where he'll actually go.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332389/article/draft-stock-of-arizona-states-will-sutton-heading-downward
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Avery Williamson ILB is a tackling machine. IMO is very impressive on video, looked good at the combine. He seems to be flying under the radar.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
@Gil_Brandt
It seems like the entire scouting community has turned their back on Gilbert after he washed-out of Texas. I still see a guy that shows a pretty good ability to avoid a free rusher, step up in the pocket and throw.
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Connor Shaw and Bruce Ellington might get some buzz after their pro days. Ellington doesn't have the hype of Marqise Lee or Odell Beckham Jr., but I think he's just as talented. He like a shade slower, less dominant Brandin Cooks. I talked about Shaw a bit in the Maziel thread. Just watching Ellington tape made me rethink of how Shaw will surely get snubbed. He's a really good QB that won't cost much at a crucial position. I hope the Eagles or a team with half a brain takes him late or undrafted.
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Xue
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Both Cooks and Ellington are short (both approx. 5'9.5" tall). Cooks is faster , but after that you can call them about even athletically (head-to-head). About the same elite agility, and the same hand-size and arm length. They are identical in many ways, except for their 2013 college performance. Cooks dominated every level of opponent (statistically), but Ellington was more up and down in output, but there is more to that story. He had a slow start and his team doesn't pass much to compile eye popping raw totals.
Ellington is a nice little WR. I see a lot of the same action on tape as when I watch Brandin Cooks film. Smart bubble screens designed specifically for Ellington, but also a WR you can work down field who can adjust to errant passes and fight off defenders for a catch. He's everything you want in Brandin Cooks, just slower.
What makes you say he more like Robert Herron than Cooks?
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Xue
Footballguy
Herron is 5'9-1/8" 193, Ellington is 5'9-3/8" 197. They are both closer in size and build/stature. They're both closer in speed on the field. Cooks just looks like he's on another level with his speed, especially after the catch.
Ellington has great timed agility, but I didn't see such a high level on tape.
jurb26
Footballguy
Neal's Pro Day was today. Some decent results. Thus far running back Rajion Neal, whom many considered a combine snub, has impressed scouts. His marks included a forty time of 4.52s, 28 reps on the bench, 38 inches in the vertical jump and a broad which measured 9-11.
http://walterfootball.com/proday.php
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Draft Breakdown has finally posted a Garrett Gilbert game tape. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/garrett-gilbert-vs-connecticut-2013/ Obviously he is not perfect but as developmental project QBs go he is the best of the bunch IMO. Based on what I have seen so far, I would take him over Logan Thomas.
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